Thread 104386552

I miss when holoEN was just myth and council and not full of annoying ligers and nerissa.

>>104386552 (OP)
>I miss the shittiest era of EN when numbers cratered because no streams and homo collabs
Crazy admission

You will take the sloppy seconds of indie and smallcorpo chads and you will be happy

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I miss when I didn’t need to encounter SEA while surfing the internet.

>>104386590
We own Hololive, dumbass.
Indie lovers like OP are yt boys.

>>104386552 (OP)
>noooo i miss those useless lazy cunts
Sucks to be you i guess, i love Advent and Justice.

>>104386565
>I love twitch shitters and grifters
Crazy admission. Myth and council is the only real Hololive EN, I agree with op.

>>104386656
>twitch
they're all on youtube
>grifters
a buzzword that ironically enough fits much more to gura, due to how much she has ghosted her paying fans with no info

>>104386656
>I love twitch shitters and grifters
Well you're talking about missing Fauna and Gura so I think we know that

Turns out hiring nijisisters was a mistake
Shocking

>>104386679
>>104386706
>Gura
Made hololive popular outside of Japan, Yagoo should be kissing her feet for the rest of his life for that.
>Fauna
This was the beggining of the end, when they hired a twitch grifter from the Shondo's clique. The latest gen is 5/5 twitch shitters and grifters.

>>104386806
>Made hololive popular outside of Japan
Mythbabbies make me laugh

>>104386818
JP have never been relevant outside of Japan, or even inside of it. Hololive was NOTHING before Gura.

>>104386965
If not for Coco and Haachama EN could have never been possible. Chumkeks are gone and Hololive is still doing great.
At least nobody in HoloEN is a lazy bitch who constantly ghosts her colleagues.

>>104386806
Yeah and she also set the record for being the most worthless talent at the end of her career.

>>104386552 (OP)
>I miss when holoEN was just myth
FTFY

>>104386552 (OP)
I miss that too. But I blame Cover for that. Early to Mid-2024 was pretty goat.

>>104386656
>Grifter whores and lazy bitches are the only real Hololive EN
Grim.

>>104386552 (OP)
Go fuck yourself chumfuck. You lost.

>>104386552 (OP)
Ah yes totally a Holo oldfag
No way it's a Nijisis or Phasecuck in disguise

Did something happen over at NijiEN again?

>>104387773
Funny enough, exactly what OP is doing ITT
>an actual NijiEN talent calling out former NijiEN talents for saying... bad things about their black company

>>104386806
The latest Gen only has 4 people.

>>104386552 (OP)
I don't. Advent reignited my interest in Holo EN
You're pining for the era of omegatroon

>>104386552 (OP)
>I miss the no streams era and the tempiss collab era
There was only a slim period of a few months when that era of holoEN was good.
HoloEN would have died in 2023 if they hadn't debuted advent the way things were going. Good thing they now have people who aren't purely there for grifting passive membership income.

>>104386552 (OP)
me too man

>>104386565
FPBP

I miss when HoloEN was just Akai Haato.

>>104386565
>>104386620
>>104388680
>>104388785

Pure cope 2020-2022 holoEN was the most kino and its not even close. I have yet to see advent or justice make a name for themselves and do anything iconic or revolutionary compared to council and especially myth.

>>104386552 (OP)
Weird, because I rember this board crying for EN3 during those days. And now you're crying for EN5.

>>104386608
The only thing you people own are tiny shrimp dicks LMAO

>>104393780
>I have yet to see advent or justice make a name for themselves and do anything iconic or revolutionary compared to council and especially myth.
I think you're just stuck in the past if you think about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1PPlDJY9CM

>>104386552 (OP)
You won't have anything to watch then.

>>104393780
Myth never did anything iconic or revolutionary. I was watching HoloJP at the time and basically never heard anything about them at all. It was all VRchat sloppa. Did they do anything like HoloGTA? No they did fuck all.

>>104386806
>Yagoo should be kissing her feet for the rest of his life for that.
>The Ayame of EN but somehow even worse
He was, anon

>>104386552 (OP)
I don't think anyone who can stomach Mori should complain about Nerissa, I like both for the record.

>>104387097
Eh
It was inevitable as the JP market became more saturated. They would have to branch out eventually.
It's disingenuous to imply that JP's mild interest would've given way to global domination. At best they were a fad niche of a niche. A seasonal anime-esque level of popularity that would've been forgotten just like Kizuna Ai. Myth, and especially Gura, absolutely cemented their position as a force outside of Japan in ways that would've never happened without an english branch.

>>104393780
Can you tell us what makes that years iconic, anon?

>>104399568
It just WAS, okay.

>>104386552 (OP)
>>104393780
>>104386806
Sorry but I'm still not watching Saba.

>>104386552 (OP)
Good things must come to an end

>>104386552 (OP)
From the outside looking in, I sincerely cannot tell if the problem is you or the company. I have seen had this experience of losing old talents or rejecting new ones.

>>104399568
They were pioneers in the uncharted territory that is the Anglosphere market and the novelty gave people rose tinted glasses. There were English speaking chuubas before myth but they were the first to blow up. Myth represented a lot of firsts for many people and fans were genuinely excited for it. Whenever I remember myth I remember how i felt not how it actually was. Looking back, those early streams were rough and cringe. Debut council was also saddled with omega.

The sad reality is that every era introduces their own tourists and newfags. First there were EN Korone/Haato tourists, then Miko "nigga" tourists, then Coco tourists, then Myth/Council tourists, now we have Advent/Justice tourists and mark my words, they will be scoffing at EN5 tourists just as you are now scoffing at them

EN vtubing as a whole is on a downward trend. Idolshit is what's keeping hololive relevant, but indies are quickly creeping in as groomers find new ways to shill their 2views to conventions and after parties like the whore they are

>>104393780
>Pure cope 2020-2022 holoEN was the most GRIM with nonstop Holostar EN collabs and its not even close

There, fixed it for you anon.

>>104405063
lmao

>>104386706
Fauna and Gura were the best members of Hololive, with them gone there's no point in watching Hololive anymore

>>104405835
>with new gens there will be new people
Isn't this one of the purpose of new gens? Having a wider audience? What are you even crying about?

>>104386590
We carry their CCV. You westerners carry their merches and supas revenue.
We're poor please understand.

>>104412978
LOL

>>104399214
You can hate Myth but Gura being the face of vtubing and the "gallons" meme were all tied to her. No other gen has matched that in cultural influence

>>104386590
It's an iphone filename. Not like it's a SEA exclusive

>>104414255
>Gura being the face of vtubing
She never was.
>>104414255
>the "gallons" meme were all tied to her
The what?
You're just proving further that they and specifically Gura never did anything.

>>104414255
>"gallons" meme
could've just said the "A" meme, she was also referenced in a FNAF meme, did an interview with Game Theory, was alongside Pekora and Suisei for the Dodgers collab, and got a Taco Bell ad.

>>104414321 (me)
FNAF game*

>>104386552 (OP)
I wish Myth did more together and Kiara wasn't stuck in isolation because of the PST primetime slot for a few years.
The first 6 months of EN and Myth were legendary.

>>104414392
Council minecraft open vc portal-making/bunkeronii streams were peak.

>>104386552 (OP)
Advent was fine and EN should have ended there. Justice is trash top to bottom and Gigi single-handedly ruined the good vibes EN had with her attention whoring screeching and pickme mentality.

>>104415126
CC and Gigi should've replaced 2 advent members then. Either Shiori, Nerissa, or Biboo.

>>104386565
I miss the times when holoEN didn't exist
EN Vwhoring was a mistake

>>104415252
All three you named are more interesting than CCGG. Especially GG. Biboo is in fact the best EN at the moment besides FWMC. Advent is hard-carrying the rest of EN.

>>104415344
KEK NO

>>104386818
making normalfags aware of hololives existence through a gta clip isn't the same as popularizing it

>>104394254
didn't Uruka do this first?

>>104412784
>nonstop Holostar EN collabs
there were barely any
the way /#/ has rewritten history is moronic

>>104416240
/#/ is /uuu/2, They've always rewritten history to favor Fauna. Right now they're finding ways to say that Nimi is the evil one and Fauna didn't have a BF or Everyone secretly has, just to prop her up.

>>104415344
>All three you named are more interesting than CCGG
Nerissa and Shiori? LMAO
>Advent is hard-carrying the rest of EN.
I hate to admit but this is the truth.
Promise is practically destroyed, ERB is usually a no-show. Myth is practically a Myth.

>>104416207
Probably, she debuted first, but the point should be a comparison between hololive gens and if it's good, and that stream was Kino.

I always find these threads about gen vs gen on the EN side amusing. If you liked a more slap-dash and 'cobbled together kino' where the talents took everything into their own hands and the corpo aspect was just sort of there, the 2020-2022 era will be better. Events fully run by talents because management incompetance which lead to scuff but fun times and some pretty influential designs that were beloved by the community and still have a legacy today. Myth collabs were sometimes really awkward, but so are some of the newer gens collabs. I can admit that Advent get along well enough and have figured out their dynamic with each other, but I think ERB feels like an outsider in Justice and Raora just acts like a bimbo during their group collabs.
If you like the more structured, more 'traditional' JP style of events, prerecorded or sometimes live 3d events (those don't exist outside of pushing product now), merch, and more 'idol' (re:merchandising and 3d concerts) feeling, Advent and Justice are afforded much more opportunties for those than Myth and Promise were. Remember that Myth had to fly out to Ame's because Japan was still closed for travel, record everything for multiple 3d lives at her place (which was likely subpar for the editing process back in Japan) and then send all the footage to Japan to edit.
At the end of the day, some people liked the scrappy nature of what Myth and Promise were, and a majority of the 'fall-off' came because people were waiting for gen 3, but Cover chose to debut Holostars EN instead. It wasn't even a unicorm thing, but keeping up the momentum and giving people more to watch would have attracted more viewership when EN was at its hieght.

>>104386565
>numbers
Who cares about fucking numbers over kino holy retard

>>104386552 (OP)
>2020-2022
Mori alone makes this era the worst shit ever.

>>104416670
>the same retard
Just fast forward to the part that she's fallen off and post all the pictures you usually post.

this thread is just oldfag olympics

>>104416695
fuck off

I was there at the debut on Myth and its crazy to me that people think that the new gens bring nothing to the table. CCGG made me watch even more streams than before. How can you hate their whimsy. I 100% hate the fans shipping them but their interactions are top notch

>>104416727
struck a nerve? you still think Mori stole a slot from you in Myth?

It's been 5 years, 2view-chan, you should have moved on.

>>104386552 (OP)
myth and council were literally liggers too

>>104416751
>I 100% hate the fans shipping them
Can't really blame them when Gigi leans into it so much.

>>104416765
I'm not whatever schizo you think i am, nigger. Suck my ass

>>104416788
I watch their streams and don't spend every waking moment thinking about what are the details of their personal relationship. I think the argument is a multiplier.

>>104416822
You can consider what she does as baiting it, but for the most padt it's just her being an idiot to make people laugh. She's the ultimate clown character of EN, which is cute.

>>104416820
Suure, anon. Suure.

>>104416871
Like i said, meds.

>>104416871
JUST....

>>104416846
I feel like she has this aura that enhances the people around her. Calli has been even more entertaining with her around

>>104416923
you still seething over there?

>>104416971
well, I'm not, You're seething over Mori for almost half a decade now :D, and IT'S DOING NOTHING.

>>104416984
Maybe if you suck my dick i'll consider watching her ITYOOL 2025. Unlikely, though.

>>104417080
>It's mad.

>>104417112
>it's projecting

>>104417159
You know, if you put all this effort hating mori to something else, you'd be a millionaire by now.

>>104417189
>all this effort
Like i said, i'm not the schizo you think i am. Take your meds.

>>104417392
Oh I'm sure you're not.
>Blaming Mori because it thinks She's ruining EN vtubing
Just skip to the part where you're going to say that she's been on a decline and will be fired by Hololive.

>>104417461
I haven't done that the first time you asked, why would i do it now, faglord?

>>104417669
>Mori anti
>not eventually going on a tirade wanting graduation
Well, you'd eventually do it anyway.

>>104388680
Advent is the most boring fucken Gen. Not that justice is that much better, but it does have Gigi and Raora

>>104386565
Cover was to blame and the model redesign fights in HoloEN only got worse after Sana's graduation. As for the collabs between Hololive and Holostars they are heavily encouraged by management. Kronii wanted to be on the good side of management and despite horrible backlash from unicorns she did did everything Cover wanted in terms of helping with HoloPro unity.

>>104416261
Every woman in their 30s (all of holo) has had boyfriends that's a simple fact

>complains about liggers
>by posting a ligger

>>104386552 (OP)
I think the reason it was good was mainly because cover wasn’t forcing them to take time off for studio shit and even more homework than they used to get. Back then they were basically allowed to do whatever they wanted as cover didn’t have high expectations of their success at the time.

>>104394254
>hololive copying phase connect
>kino
ogey

>>104415274
/thread

>>104423427
>playing an instrument with guests is copying someone who already did it

>>104424420
ESL-kun... your reading comprehension reps...

>>104416751
This desu
If the fans affect your enjoyment of something I don't know how you could even watch VTubers at all, I mean just look at /vt/

>>104386552 (OP)
fuck off mythboomer

>>104424869
>hololive copying phase connect
What does this phrase mean? When and how did hololive copy phase connect?

>>104386552 (OP)
Nerissa IS annoying, desu..

>>104422722
No, there was more going on than studio recordings for 3D concerts and Gura literally skipped every holiday HoloEN collab in 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. Whatever really caused Sana's graduation demoralized the EN branch and things were never the same after that. If you listen to how Gura responds to some of the holotalk questions before her graduation it's obvious she blamed Yagoo for the EN graduations (I don't think he is evil or sexist but he doesn't give a shit about the foreign talents).

>>104386656
Half of council quit/retired once the fad died. They were all obviously the biggest grifters in the entire company as they showed they were only there for the easy money

>>104386552 (OP)
i read this in tony tony choppers voice

>>104386552 (OP)
>>104386565
>>104386578
>holo vs holo faggotry
>samefagging
>gura pick
One day it will stick

>>104435061
EN was bigger than JP for at least 6 months to a year. Council existed and they did really well at the start, and everything fell off a cliff because the team in charge of EN obviously wanted to try and follow Niji for some godforsaken reason, which resulted in them not really looking for talent for EN3 until their retarded plan with Holostars failed fully in the west. By then it was too late and the hype + some fans already left. JP got 35 talents in 3 years, while EN got 11. Why?

>>104437024
>Why?
Western whores can't get past the vibe check.
Simple as

>>104386806
yup

>>104437024
>JP got 35 talents in 3 years, while EN got 11. Why?
The EN branch has always felt more unstable than the JP branch with management not really getting along with the talents. Maybe Cover knew that rushing out more EN gens would have caused multiple graduations. They kept Gura for almost 3.5 years so they delayed some of those graduations if only for a year or two.

>>104386552 (OP)
It's actually insane how much Justice fucked everything up. It would've been fine if Advent fizzled out in the long run since they would still have value as collab guests but holy shit Justice is the first time I felt the Holobrony moniker was justified for the people who were hyped for them.
Even my fucking captcha agrees with me.

>>104386620
>>104388785
>lazy grifters
you retards realize your whores are no better, right? they all see you as walking wallets with days and days of dead time just this year
>>104410652
the state of EN is so bad right now
so many talentless people with no passion for entertainment, carried by having a cute model and people wanting to "claim" them

>>104421423 actual cuck mentality

nah, I like Cecilia Immergreen, Gigi Murin and Fuwamoco, they're funny

>>104386565
Council debuted a year before the EN homos though, to be fair

>>104386552 (OP)
2020-2021 holoEN was so comfy

>>104442731
>you retards realize your whores are no better, right?
Do not try to mash together those 2 opinions, i never said "grifters".

>>104415344
I like Advent but you faggot should take your meds.

>>104445753
But it's true? Advent has the best cohesion out of every gen. It also has the most interesting chuubas and arguably the most popular ones with Biboo and FWMC hard-carrying all of EN on their broad, manly shoulders. I'm sorry but nobody cares about Justice...

>>104440468
But one of the biggest selling points for streams for more casual fans is big group events. With such a small group, and still such a small group, the event feels a lot smaller and more impacted by a few talents choosing not to participate while in JP 2/3rds could opt out until the final days and you'd still have an event as active as something like ENReco.

>>104388785
>Raora pic
Does he know?