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>>105825075

>YouTube
https://youtube.com/@pillowdear
>Twitter/X
https://x.com/pillowdearasmr
>Merch
https://uwumarket.us/collections/pillowdearasmr

>Fan website & resources
https://piwwow.love/
>Fan wiki
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/PillowDear

>Latest cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns08Y6GYWEc
>Latest event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C6LGy2A4S8

>Latest stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGZxtnfD_9c
>Upcoming stream
TBD Piwwocraft Halloween Festival

Thread rules:

Absolutely no bagels in this one

I'm not fucking around. 0 bagels.

Bagels are inevitable

>>105974346
Masaka...

bagels AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

I SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU NOT TO BAKE BAGELS HERE

Sometimes it’s bagels, sometimes it’s bears, and sometimes it’s milk

https://x.com/imaginaryschizo/status/1982689261024686130
Ok, I admit it, you fags got me. What the fuck is the deal with the bagel shit.

>>105975028
It's boiled in a lye solution and it has a hole in the middle

No more bagels. Just pillow.

Unironically the most schizo shit I’ve ever seen.

Shit like this only reinforces how much I like Pillow, because it’s obvious that she’s just a totally normal girl getting harassed by a weird schizophrenic hyperfixating on her.

Hi guys what did I miss

>>105976136
I wouldn't say she's "totally normal", but she's incredibly patient and kind and doesn't deserve this.

>>105977529
Schitzo on twitter is going around posting old DMs with Pillow talking about innocuous shit and schitzo posting about how she’s a psycho that emotionally manipulates her fans.

>>105978638
Yeah I saw. It's nothing to worry about for us but I'm sure it'll stress Pillow out, poor girl.

If only I'd gotten into her community early

>>105979267
You'd just be disappointed when she closed her DMs and possibly have a schizo meltdown over it a couple years later.

>>105979346
I've been thinking about that, the whole thing was a stupid idea from the start, since it necessarily had to end when she had too many supporters, but the second it ended it would make people feel like the relationship was purely transactional. Also had to fucking suck for her, since I'm sure she was more attached to some Piwwos over others, that's just how people work, and she still had to close them out too since it wouldn't have been fair otherwise.

>>105979386
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if she regrets doing it in the first place, especially now. I think it was a sweet thing to do but maybe a bit naive. To be fair, she might not have expected herself to get as popular as she has.
There are some really unstable people out there man. To have the opportunity to correspond with someone as lovely as Pillow and whine to her about not getting immediate responses is pathetic.

>>105979523
It was definitely the case where she was young and being kinda dumb so she made it an incentive expecting like 4 people to ever pay for it.

She definitely regrets that shit to this day, because you gotta consider the kind of precedent it sets. Most creators make a lot of new friends when they are first growing. Supporters that are particularly chill, other creators who might do something similar and connect with you over your interests. Jazzy is an example, they probably met because of Pillow's art. Thus why the only people she has in her social circle at all currently are the very few select friends she has from before vtubing, of which she cut a lot of them off because she's stated that her old friends were not very good people, and other vtubers who she has befriended, most of whom are extremely busy and don't generally have time for her outside of content stuff. Meanwhile, if she had never done that and had to cut off all of her fans universally, she may have actually made some friends out of them. I care about her enough, and I'm secure enough in my trust in her, that I'd much rather she had friends and a good social circle of people who are decent towards her instead of her being constantly isolated.

Schizo aside, I still would very much like Olive and Pillow to dry hump my face until completion.

>>105979386
>but the second it ended it would make people feel like the relationship was purely transactional
Always has been.

Pillow went to bed a bit late, I wonder what time she’ll wake up

>>105980940
I reckon an hour or two later than normal

>>105982843
https://youtu.be/RKHusb74Kns?si=KVgNPsh3x0IN3yS8

I really wish she'd open a PO box. I have something in mind that I want to do for her in time for Christmas. I could do it without sending her something, but it wouldn't be as special.

>>105982940
Adorable

Why must I endure full days without Pillow...

>>105982967
wont happen, people would start sending stuff with trackers, reason why hololive wont do it anymore

>>105984440
She needs breaks.

>>105984456
Well that's something I hadn't considered, but I don't think it's the reason. She won't even open a Throne. I think she's just reluctant to receive money and gifts from piwwos. She's talked about not feeling like she can properly express her gratitude.

>>105984456
Schitzoid Piwwos ruining it for the rest of us, as always. I remember when Pillow was playing Bloons and was like "Oh it would be so nice if Piwwos would deliver me food, but I think my manager would beat me if I allowed that".

When I see Piller,
I think "Fill'er!"

Feeling really soppy thinking about Pillow

Pillow finding my stash of her used panties and saying "I thought the washer ate them piwwo, thanks for finding them!"

>>105986334
Feeling relief that she didn't also find my stash of Olive's used panties

>>105986385
She wanted to be nice and let Olive find them on her own like a scavenger hunt

Sniffing Pillow's panties and cumming in her socks.

Licking Pillow's panties and enjoying the unique flavors

>>105987497
Pillow putting her socks on being surprised by the warm, wet sensation, then turning to give a smug grin and making eye contact as she wiggles her toes.

Gently thrusting into Pillow in the missionary position, giving her lots of kisses and headpats as she holds back her moans

>>105984514
>Manager
>As an Indie
It's over, nigga. Pack it up and go look for another one

Where are these people coming from?

>>105990487
She looks a bit smug

>>105991006
Discords and the catalog

>>105984514
>my manager
Oh no no no no no no

I don't think Pillow would be in a relationship because she's the only vtuber of her size who's career would end overnight if she did. She's too parasocial with piwwos for even sunk cost to keep piwwos around. Pillow is completely dedicated to her fans and has never yabbed. Stop being fucking schizo and trying to ruin a good thing.

>>105991861
They're shitposters, pay them no mind. Piwwos know she can be trusted so they're just wasting their time.

Since it was brought up again, what happened to that guy is exactly what I meant when I mentioned exploding into a big green fireball, perfect example actually.
Crazy how that happened only a few hours after I posted. I’ve been noticing a lot of synchronicities lately

>>105991006
India

>>105994157
Pillow experiencing her first orgasm.

>>105994538
all me

Wish she wouldn't abandon me when I need her most.

Pillow giving you a shallow and inexperienced blowjob leaving your cock smelling of garlic.

>>105996868
She's been posting all day and was lurking in PillowCord earlier.

>>105996923
At least a slutty vampire won't suck me dry...

>>105998477
A Pillowpire is fine too

I've been thinking about her a lot.

Members watch-along of Monster House and Halloween festival on PiwwoCraft tomorrow

Actually at a good time for me as well. It'll be my first watch-along. I'm looking forward to watching a movie with Pil for the first time. Hopefully there'll be many more.

I know it's not even Halloween yet, but I'm already thinking about Christmas, my first with Pillow. It's gonna be rough.

https://x.com/undeadwolfn7/status/1982831701475872842
Please tell me there’s two lewd Pillow commissioners now

Pillow replied to a person who draws porn of her, lmao

>>106001772
I'm proud of her, she slowly understanding that me and the other hornypiwwos exist, just hidden away for her safety quietly being degenerates horny posting here.

Pumpkin carving on Thursday, I hope I get to see her thighs and flat chest again

>>106001859
She knows the hornyposters by name man, she just doesn’t comment on it typically cuz she doesn’t want to associate herself with stuff like that, and I’m sure she struggles with what to say about it.

>>106001772
That artist is horrible.

https://limewire.com/d/TuQDM#l0QEXoDEXn
160 AI generated images of Pillow porn, enjoy

I'm still surprised Pillow went thru a chess phase, can someone explain that? I thought she was bad at games.

>>106010701
Pillow used to play tons of games in the discord server way back then, but word games have always been her favorite - that’s why she always does Wordle. She was probably just trying chess out of curiosity, similar to Geo Guesser. I don’t imagine she was any good at it though

did you eat your garlic today?

>>106011010
Yes, as a nice spread over my bagel

>>106008057
>stacked tits in all of them
Thanks though :(

>>106008057
>https://limewire.com

>>106001772
ignoring that this guy's art is utter dogshit the average chuuba here is commissioning porn of themselves daily
pillow merely responding out of good faith doesn't really mean anything

>>106015224
Oh I know, I just thought it was kind of funny. It also reminds me a tiny bit of the onahole incident

For members later:
https://gofile.io/d/ENdELq

The first outfit had striped white and pink panties. The second outfit had no panties. The nurse outfit had fluffy grandma panties. I wonder what kind of panties she would wear with the goth outfit

>>106016066
hot topic lingerie

>>106016052
Oh shit, thank you

Speaking of outfits, what are your hopes for the theme of the next outfit? Or just design elements you want to see

>>106016216
Succubi can be dream entities too, so a sexy succubus outfit would be nice

>>106016216
Since that post about Pillow in winter clothes, I want that.

Excited for pumpkino on Friday

Gothaaaaaaaaaaam!

I feel like Pillow’s more simple and comfy designs are always better than the more complicated ones. I shall admit, the nurse is probably lowest on my list, and yandere is second lowest, but the hoodie is my favorite. Hoodie Pillow makes it feel like we’re both back to being 15 and she’s my dorky weird childhood friend who just confessed to me last month, and we’re still figuring out how romance works

I want a Willowjob

>>106017753
You're right. Simplicity is key.
She shouldn't be wearing anything at all.

Groping Pillow's thighs whilst sitting next to her in church.

>>106020035
lol

We really need an autumnal-themed outfit with a winter toggle with her wearing cute fluffy earmuffs or hat, gloves, a cute jacket and glasses.

Did she say the next outfit would be the last one for a while?

>>106020247
Yes. I want Olive to help design it.

>>106020205
That would be perfect.

Living poor with Pillow in the winter and having lots of clothed sex just to keep us both warm.

>>106022522
Hang in there Piwwo she's gonna do a members stream in 5 hours.

I need to hear Pillow’s voice

I need to see her forbidden fruit

>>106024901
Just a few hours now piwwo.

Pillow is currently replying to every piwwo who tells her about their day.

>>106027330
That's nice. I'm having a shit day at work lol

Pillow is giving me a vore fetish

>>106028825
wat

It’s probably just me but I think Pillow looks unusually sexy today

>Senior piwwos will be very happy to see if I do it
Any guesses?

>>106029768
She's gonna visit a retirement home

>I wanna talk about how cute you are!
It does get old. I don't think she's just being modest when she tells them to stop saying that. She doesn't want to just talk about herself lol

>>106029768
change my diapers?

Pillow...

NOOOO

They got her ass...

Saw it coming a mile away. I'm surprised nobody in chat told her to stop

What happened I just got on lunch

>>106030674
I honestly thought it would be okay. It was a clever idea.

>>106030712
Copyright protection took it down but she's back.

>>106030734
Oh fug, did she have the audio from the movie playing on stream?

>>106030763
She doesn't, or it's very quiet. That would ruin the experience anyway.

Now her movie isn't playing. I feel sorry for her with these technical issues recently.

>>106029768
Fix my ED

>>106030856
The buttslug will help with that

https://x.com/vtuberfanevents/status/1983251290223501364
Pillow at yet another California event

Why is she so sexy? Is she trying to seduce us?

>>106033047
I feel so greedy getting to go to all these. I won’t take it for granted.

I can’t stop thinking about her panties and soft legs

>>106033875
She wants more hornypiwwos

>>106033875
Genuinely has a hot model

>>106036916
You're not wrong her old model was pretty rough

>>106037535
I like it.

Are we ready for PillowCraft?

>>106040200
Yeah, it's gonna be sweet to see what's been going on since I stopped playing a while ago.

I’m not home rn, is the server full?

Dressed up for the stream

>>106041824
83/100 as of this post

>>106044508
>pillow being adopted by the Vshojo idol unit
noticing

I LOVE MY BABYSITTER GIRLFRIEND PILLOW! WE PLAY MINECRAFT AND TAKE NAPS TOGETHER WHILE CUDDLING ALL THE TIME!

I want to watch Pillow as she takes a bath. I also want to watch her piss

>>106047215
Bear, I get that you love your wife but surely it's not fun always being so horny?

>>106047215
Yeah so do I Piwwo, especially the peeing part that I really wanna bear witness to.

what

that was literally the same hornyposter as always, why are you blaming me

I want to hold Pillow’s feet and pop her toes one by one

Being blindfolded by a pair of Pillow's panties because she doesn't have anything else to blindfold you

Pillow's child sized Minecraft model ToT

Why is her ccv so much worse than it was before

>>106050957
YouTube did some sort of culling, which ended up hurting her numbers pretty bad. She revealed that her usual streams typically don’t get suggested or hidden from her channel if you have some restriction setting enabled. On top of all that, her longer gaming streams tend to have the least CCV. This is one of the worst performing streams ever, numbers this low are unheard of even around her time of debut. Even so, I hope you’re not only focusing on numbers and performance. Pillow genuinely loved all of the Piwwos’ builds and had tons of fun with fans while exploring their builds

>>106051309
The stream wasn’t really appealing to anyone new. Why the fuck would new viewers care about it? You’d also notice that her views were very consistent the whole night, and the number of people on the server never dropped. It was a celebration of the Piwwos, and as she talked about a lil bit ago, she’s comfortable with her low growth. She cares a lot more about spending time with the Piwwos than marketing herself.

>>106051595
I know. I don’t think I made it clear enough, but I don’t care much for numbers either, I just wanted to make explain the “why.” Pillow loves her Piwwos with all of her heart and nothing can sway her. She’s doing what makes her happy and what makes Piwwos happy, numbers be damned. Both sides are happy, and that’s what’s most important

If piwwos want the best of both worlds (full time vtuber + low ccv so more intimate) they'll need to support her financially.

>>106052779
I need job recommendations for a skilless, talentless, loser neet that will accept anybody and will pay well but treat me like shit so I can support my wife

>>106052898
I need this too but with flexible scheduling and accommodation for bad transportation. WFM ideally.

>>106054627
*Work From Home

Cuddling PillowDear at night, trying to fall asleep together. Gradually feeling her chest rises slow down as she finally falls asleep. Kissing her forehead and pretty face every night without her ever knowing

Harsh truth that some piwwos will never accept/cope forever about is that Pillow's streams/content are just not entertaining to a wider audience. There are a lot of things she really NEEDS to do in order to grow as a vtuber, but she does/will not do them. Easiest thing is what people call "clipfarming." Basically, setting up potentially viral moments for her stream to post on other socials. She doesn't really do this, and the clips she does put out are not really anything appealing to the average vtuber enjoyer. In general, she is kind of a boring girl.

I'd go more into detail, but this thread seems like the type who hates any kind of critique. I personally like where she is right now, but don't act like it's completely out of her hands.

>>105971368 (OP)
Replace the hand with a fat penis

>>106057970
I would like to hear these criticisms and your thoughts on what she can do differently

>>106057970
Pillow herself has acknowledged this several times. She knows that her own personality/content style as a comfort streamer makes it so that she’s naturally just not loud or overly energetic during her streams. She doesn’t force funny moments unless she sees the opportunity for it and she’s not overly loud either. You’re right that she doesn’t clip farm, but I think that that’s also what makes Pillow Pillow. Her willingness to stick to what she loves, what makes her happy, and truly wants to do without prioritizing numbers and income is what makes her so genuine. She’s true to herself and she doesn’t want to compromise. Of course, I do worry about her income a lot more than anything. Based on what I’ve seen, she falls way behind on revenue compared to other indies or corp girls of similar or smaller size

>>106057970
Why would I cope about that? It doesn't matter to me if she's not entertaining to a wider audience, she is to me and so long as she can keep doing this for a living then I don't care about the noombers. Better she stays true to who she is and grows naturally from that even if it is at a slower pace.

>>106057970
I'm pretty sure all of us agree with you. She could do more to grow her channel, but she chooses not to because it's not her style. We like her the way she is.
She's not boring though—maybe to some people just tuning in, but she's a good entertainer with a unique personality.

I only care about Pillow's success so far as it makes her happy. It's great that she earns enough to support herself by doing what she loves full-time, but she clearly doesn't care about money beyond that. It's much more important to her that she's able to do stuff for piwwos, like release merch, attend cons, etc.. She even asked if she could take a 0% cut of I think the idol cafe merch (which they wouldn't let her do). So I think success matters to her to the extent that it gives her more opportunities to do stuff for piwwos, but not for the money. As long as she's achieving what she wants to, I'm happy.

>>106057970
>Harsh truth that some piwwos will never accept/cope forever about is that Pillow's streams/content are just not entertaining to a wider audience.
This is a problem... how, exactly? Who is coping about this? Why does Pillow having 100k or 10k matter to you? It certainly doesn't for me, and I was watching her back when she did saucy 2view yandere stuff, most of which is deleted now.
>There are a lot of things she really NEEDS to do in order to grow as a vtuber, but she does/will not do them.
Like what, streaming? How she said she was nervous, shy, and put it off for many months longer than she otherwise would've? Give me a break, man.
>Basically, setting up potentially viral moments for her stream to post on other socials. She doesn't really do this, and the clips she does put out are not really anything appealing to the average vtuber enjoyer. In general, she is kind of a boring girl.
You are looking for sensationalism and want to spread it like a rot/plague to one of the chiller chuubas who goes out of their way to avoid that kind of crap.

>>106052898
>>106054627
A few years ago I got a tech job with absolutely no experience that trained me with pay. Since COVID it's been WFH and only recently I've had to go into the office once every few months (travel reimbursed). The pay is good. It's perfect for watching and supporting Pillow (but because of my time zone I still miss a lot). You should find a job like that.

>>106057970
Most generals react badly to these kinds of posts, so I just want to say thank you for keeping it real and not letting this place become another hugbox.

It took me a long time to realize that Pillow is genuine. Almost too good to be true. I've seen what other anons across the board have said about her when they quickly checked her out and most of them say she's a GFE grifter like the rest of them. It's easy to look at that as just ignorant retarded takes but it's still an insight into how people new to Pillow might see her. She's unfortunately stained by her peers and their seemingly continuous cuck yabs.

The best way I can put it is you have to invest a lot of time into Pillow to see she's a genuine sweetheart who does as little as she can to financially exploit her fans. Most people new to Pillow simply don't have the time or care to see if she's real or fake because they likely have their own oshi to watch. This is why I believe her growth is slow.

To become a piwwow you have to be a lonely male who is pro-parasocialism, appreciates seiso family-friendly content and ASMR, doesn't already have an oshi and is willing to devote most of your attention and love to this one girl who'll never meet irl and you'll have to penetrate the existing strong and loyal piwwo fanbase which is scary as an outsider, even though the community and Pillow are very welcoming. You don't know that until you try. That's a lot of boxes to tick so it's no wonder her growth is slow.

>>106061284
Even after streaming for the whole day, and obviously getting kinda tired, she still sat and read through every single story the Piwwos wrote, right after the stream ended. I know her well enough to know that she’ll go back and inspect everything with spectator mode soon. She LOVES the Piwwos, from the bottom of her heart, and deserves to be loved back just as intensely.

I wish I'd known about the library. I would've written something.

>>106058412
Yeah, I like her too. I may not have made it as clear as I wanted to in my last sentence, but I like where she is now. I would continue to watch her in her current state. You put it all very nicely.
>>106058542
Not necessarily talking to (You) but to the minority of piwwos who will see low ccv or views and get worried. You've reached a state similar to mine.
>>106060166
>unique personality
Not really? I do not mean this rudely in the slightest, but a lot of the women I've met (I'm around Pillow's age) are pretty similar to her. She is just a normal zoomer girl with an internet addiction. She gives the "little sibling" experience with her streams where you really only watch because of that pre-established bond. I've watched my little brother play video games for example: same entertainment value.
>>106060900
You are the reason I made my post in the first place. Instantly up and arms acting like I am trying to corrupt your precious little treasure. An anon was worried about low ccv counts, so I post my opinion about it. Get your head out of your ass and talk like a real adult.
>>106061284
Truest post ever written. Thank you.

>>106062443
She's unique in VTubing. She shares individual traits with others, but as a whole she stands out.
You sound very annoying by the way.

>>106062443
In terms of personality, I'd say her deal is less anything crazy unique or special, more just degrees of intensity. She's not edgy, and while she's really funny when she sets up a joke, she isn't making super funny clips or anything. A lot of that is also because she's very seiso, and you just need a cursory glance at any clipping channel to know that saying shocking or dirty things is the meta for clips. Really, the biggest standouts to her personality is just how wonderful of a person she is. Plenty of girls are kind, but I've never witnessed a girl as kind as Pillow. Plenty of girls are caring, but Pillow is one of the few people on the planet who genuinely does care about everyone very deeply. There's a reason every single vtuber she ever speaks to all absolutely love her, she is like a little radiant sun that gives a lot of life to everyone around her.

I still want a 1on1 Vallure girl collab just because Pillow would be funny in it dodging their bait.

>>106062861
Yeah the dynamic would be fun. I just hope chat wouldn't ruin it.

>>106062880
Would the Vallure fanbase find Pillow sexy? Her design doesn’t lean into a fetish.

>>106058108
Wanted to give you a separate response because might be lenghty. Below will be example changes purely for upping numbers. I do NOT think she should do all/most of these.

1. More F4M/appealing to male tastes:
Pillow has only ever done ONE F4M stream (bratty imouto), and it is currently unlisted with no plans to do more. Female viewers exist, but you do much better appealing to the tastes of the majority male audience. I'm not asking her to start doing NSFW baiting, but you can do plenty in the SFW space.
2. Hop on more trending topics/games:
Unfortunate truth is that people like to see their streamers engage with popular things. She will have to play more relevant games much more often. She will have to watch shows and movies as they come out to talk about them on stream. As much as I love the minecraft server, the time for that was 2 years ago. Almost zero new viewers are coming in for that stuff in 2025.
3. Increase presence on other socials:
You will not grow as a streamer by only streaming. Post clips and make people who dont watch streams want to tune in.
4. Clipfarm:
Explained in original post. Even if it seems fake, it gives people something to remember and talk about. It gives sources for fanart and clips. It makes people want to catch the next stream.
5. Start posting more regular YT videos:
Not everyone watches streams. Not everyone wants to watch vods for multiple reasons. She has to stop going months without an ASMR video (stream vods do not count). She is bleeding viewers and subs when she does this.
6. Better stream topics/segments:
Harder to define concretely, but not many people are interested in painting fake nails unless they already like you. Same with comfy mornings. One thing she does have is VR Chat streams. This is where her appeal shines the most. ASMR 101 was also a good series and brough in new viewers from the collab. She should try and start that again.
7. Increase audience interactivity:
Kind of an offshoot of the previous one, but get your viewers more involved. Let them send you games and art to play/view on stream. Let them name your Pokemon or set challenges for you in games. I hate react content, but maybe even watch a short video now and then. Anything to make the screen between you and the viewers disappear.
8. Stream highlights:
Kinda like clipping, but maybe extract parts of your streams to longform content. For gaming streams, for example, you could take the highlights and make one edited video. 5 hours of Pokemon Z-A? Spread that out to multiple uploads and get people invested in each part of the playthrough.

I'm comfortable with Pillow the way she is and I enjoy her streams as is.
I see no need to have her change anything.

>>106063082
I feel like it’d be a PapaNovember situation, where they might be into her for a short period of time, but they’d eventually crash out when they realize she legitimately will never do anything overtly lewd or sexual. At their core, they are coomers who cannot grasp the idea of a modest woman.

>>106062599
It seems I struck a nerve. I'm sorry, but once you actually talk to women (and men to a certain extent), you realize that a lot of them are not that special or unique. There are likely plenty of Vtubers too out there who are just like her but not as popular. It is what it is.
>>106062690
Idk, maybe it's a regional thing. Pillow and I are both from the south. That's just how the girls are around here (especially in a Christian town). I've met them. Everything you described I've seen with real people around me all my life, men and women. If you want to say they aren't truly caring like Pillow, please realize I could say the same in reverse. Nothing you say to hold her up so highly is something I also can't say about someone I know.
>>106063218
Me neither, but I prefer to discuss these hypotheticals because they do matter. At the end of the day, Pillow needs to make money to be alive and stream. She said recently her expenses EQUALED her income (this was before her last outfit). Her decisions over her content make an impact, and saying otherwise is akin to covering your ears and yelling. Eventually, fans lose interest and move one. I don't want a DSP situation (DarkSidePillow?) where she has to stream for eternity to just make ends meet.

>>106063087
Biggest reason she doesn’t do more audience interactivity is because she’s cripplingly afraid of Piwwos bursting her safe space. She works hard to make her streams a calm and safe place, and the fact that someone would 100% do something to troll her at some point would stress her out. Only reason she is okay with the Minecraft server is because she owns the server and can full ban people who are shitty. Beyond that, she refuses to even play games that have a text chat

>>106063416
Hate to tell ya man, but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what she wants. As long as she’s got her savings, she’s perfectly happy to keep chugging along and keep her audience small without actually getting paid much by the Piwwos. She was talking about it during the Monster House stream, she literally asks the merch people at conventions if they could make her stuff cheaper by not giving her a cut, she’d make it all free if she could. She legitimately doesn’t care about growth or making more money, as long as her bills are paid she’s happy. Don’t worry though, when we get married my retirement will cover her.

big olove!

>>106063530
There is a difference between streaming for fun (what you describe) and DSP levels of having to stream (what I am describing). You do not want to see an elderly Pillow struggling to stream because she'll be on the streets if she doesn't meet a donation goal.

>>106063416
No, your tone is just very obnoxious. You said something that we all know and have talked about (that Pillow could do more to be successful but chooses not to, which is fine with us) as if it was insightful and would bother anyone. You use meaningless phrases like "it is what it is".
Tell me one VTuber like her, and not just someone who's shy or has a cute voice—the whole package.

>>106063827
He's obviously a troll after reading part of his wall of crap I didn't even bother replying.

>>106063827
My tone is that of honesty. Not a kind one, but honest nonetheless. You act as though it doesn't bother you, but it clearly does. You don't disprove anything I say. You merely attempt to police my tone as if that says anything.
>tell me one Vtuber like her
I don't watch any other vtubers nor care about any others, so I literally can not. Good job. You really got me. Even if I did, I know the exact tactic you would pull. You would find some minute and overall pointless difference between the two and claim victory. You've let your love for Pillow become an obsession. You see her as an infallible god, and you will lash out at anyone who will see her differently.

Yep piwwos as seen above this faggot is just a shitposter.

>>106064214
>any opinion I don't like is shitposting
I honestly respect it.

>>106064214
Yes, saying that Pillow isn't unique amongst VTubers and then admitting that he doesn't know any others is a giveaway, isn't it?

>>106064422
That wasn't too obvious but the rest of his posts were pretty blatant.

Pillow is cute and loves us a lot.
Always remember that Piwwos.

>>106066715
I will.

What a sexy goof.

Pillow is so special to me and I'll always appreciate her.

>>106064422
>constantly say Pillow is just like women I know in real life
I don't know what you all are not getting. Quote where I say that other vtubers are just like Pillow in personality.

>>106067816
>>106063416
>There are likely plenty of Vtubers too out there who are just like her but not as popular.

>>106067939
Primary reason for Pillow’s success IS her personality. Her level of professionalism and responsibility for her job is one of the parts of personality I like the most, and it’s one of the things that is responsible for her doing so well. Yeah, there’s a lot of girls that are nice, and there’s a lot of girls that are cute, and there’s a lot of girls who have a couple of her traits, but she’s the only one who’s the full package. A genuinely kind and loving girl who is cute, but also responsible and smart where it counts, as well as being extremely good at dealing with confrontation.

>>106067939
Does the word "likely" mean nothing to you? The possibility of someone existing does not mean I personally know them. Pillow is not unique amongst women I know, so there are probably/likely vtubers out there just like her.
>>106068031
I think a lot of you guys live or were raised around some terrible women at this point lol. I've never seen someone get praised as unique for being "nice and cute" while being "responsible and smart." Honestly willing to concede maybe some of you grew up in shitholes and I'm just not gonna understand. Would make sense with how bad some piwwos are at reading comprehension.
>good at dealing with confrontation
Is she really? I'd argue that's dealing with confrontation is one of her weak points as a person. She doesn't face it. She just creates a space around her where it never enters her life. Though I guess that is its own way of "dealing with" it if that's what you mean. Difference in interpretation I guess.

These posts remind me of the cuckposter and his schizo walls of texts

>>106068740
Don't you start. This guy's bad enough.

>>106068774
True I shouldn't give an open invite to a second schizo

>>106068424
You don't think Pillow is unique and I do. You've met women who you think are like her; I've met lots of nice women who aren't. That's fine, but there's really no point telling us and it's getting quite boring.

>>106068808
I mean you. Nobody who complains about "cuckposting" ever provides any evidence of it. You even just brought it up now for no reason, because like this other guy you just want to argue. Go away.

>>106068740
Haha I do type a lot. Brevity was always one of my weaknesses. No worries about schizoing out. Unlike cuckposter, I actually like Pillow and her content. I just couldn't sleep last night and probably got a little too autistic about my point that realistically doesn't matter that much. I do have problems with how some of you react when faced with any sort of criticism, but I kinda expected it.

>>106068929
Yeah, I kinda thought I should stop this. Again, my whole point was "women I know." It's really impossible for you to say anything to that. I honestly wasn't expecting that point specifically to draw so much attention. It was kind of a throwaway response to somebody I thought was being too extravagant in his compliments.
>women who you think are like her
Key example here. Pointless discussion when we're both stubborn.

This guy's getting off easy because I quit using slurs for Pillow.

>Says I wanna argue continues to post walls instigating an argument
Alrighty then.

>>106069100
Not a good idea on a blue board anyway. Some anon will get you banned for words that Pillow uses every day.
>>106069178
Lmao at not giving me the (You). Always found it funny when you guys do this. When you type in a public thread, people will respond to you bud. Unlike you, I want to talk about Pillow in the Pillow thread. If you want to talk to yourself, you're welcome to leave the thread.

He just keeps going

>>106069323
All I ever asked was for people to engage with my points.not my fault I have to repeat myself because some bad apples can't read. I even agreed with a lot of you along the way. Honestly, I can see why Pillow keeps some of you guys out.

attention chat
I am having sex with pillow right now and will be cumming inside.
thanks for coming to my ted talk

>>106069388
Nice mask slip, you are the problem.

>>106069439
holy based
>>106069552
>I have to repeat my points because you can't read properly
>I agreed with multiple piwwos on several points
>mask slip somehow
Am I misunderstanding something?

>>106069667
>Am I misunderstanding something?
Several things but I won't bother pointing them out since you're disingenuous.

Please just talk about Pillow.

I want a nude Pillow daki so bad. I just want to see her peacefully sleep in the nude. I don’t even want to do anything lewd to her, I just want to have skin on skin contact with her. I want to wake up still holding on to her.

>>106069865
I keep thinking about her feet and pink toes and white laced socks.

>>106069891
It's a pillow.

>>106069928
And so is she???? And so are we???

>>106069439
I've been giving Pillow and Olive an oil massage for the last 2 hours Piwwo, don't tell lies.

>>106069736
>no response at all but calling me a shitposter, troll, mean, or disingenuous
I've won
>>106069891
I feel that would ruin the magic. Part of her appeal to me is the little sister vibe. I wouldn't want to see my little sister naked. I do think it would be nice to see her in a white shirt that you can kinda see her body outline through in the light.

>>106069388
Pillow doesn't keep anyone out, even the most schitzo people alive usually get to stick around to some degree. Not to mention that I know for a fact at least 1 mod is on here, and most of the dudes on here are top chatters.

>>106069969
Holy pillow inception everything in life leads back to Pillow

>>106070101
Fine asshole what "points" do you want engagement with? Since you keep pushing this envelope instead of talking about Pillow.

>>106070134
Erm well you see, Pillow is boring and unremarkable, but I also love her and want to have sex with my little sister.

If Pillow reads these threads she would hate you all arguing btw. She's probably fine reading constructive criticism but she hates confrontation and her fans being horrible to each other

I am very curious, but what is considered not boring? I know when I check out Bijou or Gigi, they scream a lot but are considered very funny.
I think when it comes to hololive, I would say pillow was closest to Mumei, and people don’t really consider Mumei boring right?

>>106070212
On our next date I'll explain to her that I just like dunking on internet retards, and part of the fun of the internet is the blood sports of meaningless argument.

>>106070103
>Pillow doesn't keep anyone out
He doesn't know...
>>106070134
I literally numbered my points out about how Pillow could increase her numbers in an earlier post. Please read it and respond to any point you like. My overall point is: I love Pillow and how her streams are now, but she could do things to increase her numbers. I hope she does take numbers semi seriously because money = stability = good future for Pillow.
>instead of talking about Pillow
My piwwo in Christ, I am talking about her. You are the one who has been talking about me talking about her for hours now. Please sit back, take a breath, and think.
>>106070203
I see no contradiction here.
>>106070212
Probably but it's fine. She knows I do it for her and will forgive me after some mild sulking.
>>106070261
One thing I will admit fault in is not being clear when I describe her as boring. She is probably way more entertaining than I could hope to be. I am comparing her to streamers and other online entertainers though. Compared to them, she would be seen by a normie as "boring" despite me being pleasently engaged with her content.

I want to give a kiss to Pillow’s cheeks, all four of them

>>106070371
When I go to sleep, I like to listen to her ASMR and imagine casual intimacy of two lovers between us. Scratching her back while she lays on me, playing animal crossing on her switch with her arms looped around my neck. Spooning naked together in bed, her softly breathing as we lay together, no desire for sex as we had already had plenty of fun earlier. Holding her tightly and telling her how special she is, and how much she means to me and every single Piwwo, any time she's feeling down.

>>106070463
Thanks I'm gonna kill myself

>>106070463
Be honest - and this question goes out to all of you in this thread - do you use anything while listening to her ASMR to enhance the experience? I'm not talking about fucking sex toys or anything like that. My mother bought me a really thick pillow ages ago. I don't like laying on it but I do use it to cuddle with and pretend it is her. Makes it more immersive. I would get a daki but too expensive.

>>106070346
But why do you feel that she desperately needs higher numbers?
She seems quite comfortable with her audience being closer and her growth is slow but not negligible.
So I don't understand why you equate numbers as her only way of success, personally I prefer her small community as it is.

>>106070586
No.

>>106070586
Just her dakimakura. Depending on what she’s doing in the ASMR, I’ll adjust my position and my daki to make it more immersive

Seeing her asleep on the couch, scooping up her floppy body wearing only white panties and an old t-shirt of mine she stole years ago and princess carrying her to bed whilst she's still asleep in my arms.

>>106070599
Well, like it or not, money and influence make the world go round. All of the events and charity she's done is due to her years of effort put in to obtain her current fanbase. I'm not expecting or wanting her to be at the point to sell out stadiums for live shows, but I think it is best she increases her money flow while she is still young and energetic. People eventually lose interest in entertainment and online creators, which Pillow herself has acknowledged. People get old, start families, and plain move on. Even very loyal fans can have periods where life is just too busy. I've seen people work til 70 because they have no other option. While I love Pillow, I hope she does not have to stream until she dies to keep her life stable. I'd rather her retire like a normal woman, and that means building your career into a financially stable place now.

I'd like to marry Pillow so I can support us both financially and she doesn't have to work any more.

>>106070599
>But why do you feel that she desperately needs higher numbers?
Outsider here, I see this all the time with GFE. Some men turn into aggressive backseat managers and think the best way for them to support their oshi-who-pretends-to-be-their-girlfriend is by controlling her content and posting endlessly about numbers.

My personal opinion is that they're disrespectful of her autonomy. No matter how much they post advice and suggestions, the channel and content belong to her and her alone, and only her decisions and wishes matter. If you truly supported your oshi then you'd respect her choices when it comes to content and channel. If she isn't asking aimlessly about how to improve her numbers, then there's no need to push numbers onto her. At the same time if she says she wants to do something like improve her content or take singing lessons, it's just as disrespectful to tell her NOT to do those things because she's perfect just the way she is.

Ask yourself what it really means to support your oshi.

>>106070586
I got a nice body pillow that I squeeze while enjoying her asmr.
>>106070843
Ok I see where you're coming from so you're concern is long term not short term.
I suppose she does need a bit more donations, but having that chat bot talking about the 30% cut kinda turns people off from sending superchats or atleast I feel that it does.

>>106070953
Pillow literally doesn't want bigger numbers, she doesn't optimize her shit on purpose. She is comfortable because her priority is just loving the Piwwos, and she is fully aware that the larger her audience is, the harder it'll be to give all the Piwwos the appreciation she wants to give.

If Pillow ever wants 5K CCV, she knows deep-down she has the goods to achieve it. More than any other indie out there.

>>106071082
>but having that chat bot talking about the 30% cut kinda turns people off
Does it? We had to beg Pillow to open a stream elements because I hated that YouTube took 30% cut. It wasn’t until early to mid 2024 that she finally started using stream elements for donos. I’d rather know that Pillow is getting 99% of the money I donate rather than 70%

>>106070953
>If you truly supported your oshi then you'd respect her choices when it comes to content and channel.
If Pillow (or whatever vtuber you watch) started an onlyfans and whored herself out to everyone for 5 dollars a month, would you respect that decision? I wouldn't. I would gladly tell Pillow to her face to fuck off in that scenario. You can't claim to even be a man if you will let a woman go down a dark path and do nothing about it.
>Ask yourself what it really means to support your oshi
What it means is not to be an enabler. When you love someone, you tell them what they NEED to hear, not what they want to hear. If you blindly just support anything a woman does no matter what, you don't love her. You love the idea of being in love.
>>106071082
Yeah, that's what I was going for. Sorry if I was not being clear. I think I got a little angry at people assuming I hate Pillow and want her to completely change and got too angry with my posts. As for donations, I don't know much about cuts, but I don't think that turns off too many people. Other sites like Twitch have worse cuts, and donos still do well. Maybe she could shift more to advertising memberships? I've heard gifting those helps with engagement and reach.

>>106071271
Ok like I said that's how I feel about it. I don't know if it's the case with other Piwwos.
But her stream elements was definitely needed to ensure she does get the most out of it.

If pillow's ccv is 2000 then I am one of them.
If it is 200 then I am one of them
If it is 20 then I am dead
If it is 2 then all our children are dead
If it is 1 then olive has finally settled down with a man
If it is 0 then she a hundred years old and has forgotten how to use obs

>>106071271
I super chatted once but since finding out how big of a cut YouTube takes I haven't. I wouldn't pay for a membership either if it wasn't for the members streams.

>>106071401
Yep, full backseat manager/boyfriend on display. That's why I specifically called out GFE for making this so common. What people like you never want to hear is that you're not the man in her life who takes charge and controls her for her own good, you're just one of many viewers of her entertainment channel. If you let this keep going on you're going to end up stewing in anger and frustration every day and find yourself not even enjoying that entertainment, especially if she ever pushes back and tells you that's not what she wants to do.

Me, personally? I want to have a good paying career with a side hobby that also generates a small amount of income so I can keep supporting her financially. Pillow has helped me keep my head up even when I feel like there’s nothing to look forward to anymore. I want to help her financially so she can live out the rest of her life happy and doing what she loves. It’s the least I could do for her, and it’s what she deserves a life of nothing but hardships but still doing so much for us in spite of it all

She deserves all of the support that she gets and more. I just wish that I was her one and only instead of just one of many.

>>106071958
>you're not the man in her life
Get your head out of your ass. Every piwwo here knows were are not THE man, but that doesn't mean we can't be men. I don't care if it's my girlfriend, Pillow, my sister, my mom, or a friend; if you are a man, you look out for the women in your life. This is not even just about vtubers. It's about everyone.
You also said nothing about the onlyfans scenario, which tells me that you would happily see your oshi get fucked for the whole internet to see. You said you were an outsider? Stay that way.

>>106072398
This fake Piwwo unironically thinks Pillow is ever capable of doing Onlyfans. She would much rather go get an actual job if shit ever got that serious, but it won't since she's fully aware of the methods at her disposal to get more money. She just leaves them on the table because she doesn't feel like she needs the money. Why the fuck would she EVER do Onlyfans, she's extremely averse to anything NSFW or sexual.

>>106072533
Subtle groomer tactics: tell her if she doesn't do what you say she'll end up in the gutter doing porn.

>>106072533
>can't grasp a hypothetical situation
Come on, son. I know this site and board is filled with idiots, but please use some critical thinking.

Pillow talked about getting a part time job and then hit us. She knows what we’re up to and wants us to stop.

>>106073174
You mean on stream just now? It doesn't count if someone brought it up in chat first.
I've had my suspicions that she's been here recently.

Walls and walls and walls of text

I want to see Pillow's butt

>>106073241
I know, nobody brought it up though, she was just in-character for the game she was playing. I was just trying to make a joke to get these guys to stop :(

Can we just, you know, livepost about the fucking stream instead?
>>106072113
>>106072113
>>106072113

Pillow is torturing a child on stream right now

Pillow really knows how to milk a cock with just her ass

I have an idea Piwwos

>>106073830
We need somebody willing to draw this though

She looks so tiny with this setup in 3D today

I want her.

I need Pillow to rape me at gunpoint with a Southern accent

>>106075709
I'd love that, but I would end up laughing instead of being scared and aroused.

Running my tongue across Pillow’s sweaty body, licking up and savoring every last bead of sweat from her neck all the way down to her toes

Driving Pillow to get some takoyaki

>>106077081
imagine the moistness and the smell

>>106077081
She needs to sit on my face with that disgusted look

>>106077081
Pillow found out about my pantyposting...

Imagine a handcam stream where she shows us her underwear collection. Fondling her panties with her pretty hands. Then taking off the ones she’s currently wearing to show us the pretty detailing.

>>106077737
Piwwo please I'm still at work...

>>106078469
Pillow gets noticeably worked up and horny when she sees piwwows getting turned on in chat. She stands up, slowly takes her panties off to show us and they're a super soft dark grey material, but she accidentally reveals a little dark damp patch and gets extremely embarrassed and turns the camera off immediately whilst screaming, followed by that crying she does and makes us promise to not say anything and forget what we saw.

will pillow ever give piwwows some fan service?

>>106078775
Damn Piwwo that's hot as fuck

>>106079024
Not in the way that I'm assuming you mean, but I think that the laced gloves are a tasteful example.

>>106079024
She knows what she's doing. Don't forget how smug she got the other day cleverly getting around the toenail painting suggestion. Pillow knew that would tease us and got great pleasure from it.

>>106079501
Gorgeous little lady. I wish she wore glasses. I love her dorky yet secretly erotic librarian look.

>>106079674
I so badly want an outfit pic; everything I've read about how she dresses is so cute and demure. I know we're never going to get that, but I'm hoping that she at least does the designing outfits stream that I suggested.

>>106079869
>I'm hoping that she at least does the designing outfits stream that I suggested
Yeah that was a good idea. Surprised she hasn't done it yet. Could be a good opportunity to have Olive join her for she's also good at designing outfits.

Very thoughtful of Pillow to stave off potential suitors by eating ridiculous amounts of garlic, so she can be loyal to us

>>106079501
Pillow's hands are the prettiest in the world and I want to hold and kiss them. I'm so grateful that she's not (or less) embarrassed to show them off now.

https://x.com/pillowdearASMR/status/1983657485740499141
She posted this and is winking at people in the replies who are alluding to something. I guess this is the thing that she hinted at in the members stream:
>>106029768
Elderpiwwos, can you explain?

Never mind, it's the game show thing.

I hope it's just as unhinged as the last one.

Had Pillow ever elaborated much about the whole GFE thing? Like I know the deal with it, but I do wonder if she's ever explictly laid out the details of how she came to that position.

>>106083257
Not explicitly GFE, no. She's aware of the type of content she provides, and she has explained more or less why she ended up in the position she's in, but she never once called it GFE.
If you don't mind me explaining, she started her ASMR channel as a hobby because she was so painfully alone when she was younger. She wanted to just help a few people with their own loneliness and alleviate it for them. Despite everything she went through, she still had a ton of love in her heart, but she had nobody to give it to, so it just manifested as a yandere persona for her to play. It was never really a persona, though, but that didn't become clear until she became a VTuber. In short, she's just a girl with a lot of love to give, and she genuinely loves her fans for allowing her to succeed and make her dreams come true. In exchange, all she wants is for her fans to genuinely love her as well. She has explicitly stated once that she's dating her chat to a VTuber friend, and once mentioned that we're her only love life. This truly is as real to her as it is to us

I should become a better man, atleast then I could share some accomplishments with her and hear her say that she's proud of me.

>>106083835
As lovely as that is, doesn’t she ever get horny and masturbate? I’m not trying to be vulgar for the sake of it, it’s just she’s a healthy adult woman and surely her hormones kick in wildly at times just like the hornypiwwos.

>>106085768
We had a fempiwwo offer her insight once and she stated that every woman she knew had tried masturbation once. Pillow is so scared of things outside of her comfort zone, such as alcohol and NSFW material. She grew up around a lot of bad influences so I wouldn’t be surprised if she was also afraid of things such as hook ups. Pillow is a great business woman, but she’s rather childish aside from that. I can’t imagine her ever putting her fingers anywhere near there for the purpose of self pleasure

>>106086255(me)
Plus, her hormones only ever seem to make her depressed or low energy :(

Duty calls!

>>106083257
There isn't really a need to. Her old ASMR absolutely fell into that category. But she's moved away from it. At the end of the day no-matter what kind of content you make as a vtuber people will (jokingly or not) call you their wife. So why draw a line in the sand? It's a redundancy.

>>106086255
>We had a fempiwwo
What did you do to her?

>>106092507
It wasn’t me, I occasionally asked her questions that only a woman could answer. I have an idea for an art commission that requires another question actually. Anyway, there were people here who lusted after her and they eventually started their own thread around fempiwwo and it really pissed her off. I’m sure she’s still around and posting, probably just laying low on being the fempiwwo

I love her so much.

>>106090794
It's obvious that you're deliberately misrepresenting Pillow despite her explicitly calling herself our girlfriend even recently, what I don't know is whether you're an anti, an anti-parasocial schizophrenic, or a jaded fan. But it's definitely one of those three.

>>106095776
>>106095776
>>106095776

>>106094962
>anti-parasocial
>schizophrenic
These are opposites. Not sure what about being ambivalent towards GFE is jaded, you seem to just be hostile and projecting for some reason.

Releasing a massive load into Olive's butthole as she continues typing away like I'm not even there