What path should I choose and why? What sub-path is best from that point and why? What are the tangible benefits? What are the possible benefits? What are the tangible downsides? What are the possible downsides?

I also think you can have enlightenment about faith and faith about enlightenment.

why not both?

>>40498226 (OP)
Your choice is already made for you depending on the type of person you are. Most take up faith and only reach out for enlightenment out of greed or pursuit of a lower end. Enlightenment is for those the feelings crowd that feels a deep hole in matters of faith available and seeks out a journey to pinpoint the gap and solution, or for those who are incapable of feeling anything beyond reason so use reason to grasp the divine.

>>40498226 (OP)
https://youtu.be/WL44FFNgzsc?si=0i0zV966x67n3oIt here test it yourself
put on a good pair of headphones and sing along to this a few times and see how you feel

>"should i go clockwise or counterclockwise"
idk man which hemisphere are you on?

>>40498226 (OP)
Faith if you want to stay in the matrix. Enlightenment if you're ready to leave.

>>40498285
literally exactly the wrong way around; faith is faith that nature makes sense, enlightenment is the assertion that even though meaning is fake, hairless apes yelling into the void are special

>>40498295
Faith is programming rules for you to be a good goy and not doing anything to disrupt the matrix.
I don't think you understand what enlightenment is since that made no sense. Enlightenment is not atheism.

>>40498325
Gnostics are gullible retards perverting faith with things they don’t understand.

>>40498325
of course my king! as you say, faith is reason, and reason is faith!

>>40498226 (OP)
Faith is not a path. Faith is the first step on all paths.

>>40498226 (OP)
Just, return.

>>40498226 (OP)
>What path should I choose and why?
Neither. Paths are laid from others (sometimes 'things') passing over the same point multiple times in a segmented sequence through many iterations. All you can do is go further back, before ages, themes. I use raw nature as the root of inspiration, and this will not often take root in highly metropolitan environments, due to the natural flow of statistics in a world this size.
>What sub-path is best from that point and why?
There isn't a 'best' in any exact solution
You might have to choose anyway, it just comes down to belief when an actual meeting seems impossible.
>What are the tangible benefits?
Enlightenment is just freedom of mentality. It is the opposite of singular immersion, and not necessary if you want to keep character. Note: you can still tell a story from an enlightened state, since there is not a default perspective

Faith is not useful to recommend for long term culture.
>What are the possible benefits?
Here is the main fucker point:
:'who would know?'
A ton of things could exist, possibly, in theory. Deferring like the unknown should just be easily explored is gonna come out as bait for honest observation categories. Generally, if they cannot itemize a list here, ignore their whole claim.
>What are the tangible downsides?
Life wasted. It would sound like this comes down to choice, except how much equity processing actually gets done up front here? Consider the depth of quality, the sheer scale a claim is pushed to, are most of them stowed in regret or given access to the tools which allow exploration of the intangible? You have to categorize in one direction, right?
>What are the possible downsides?
Enlightenment? Still struggling with loneliness since Siddhartha will not attain the power of cosmic undoing and the world is real.
Faith? Worst of all, the final outcome: default
>ultimate emotional devastation of trust, lost

Enlightenment doesn't have risk really.

>>40498226 (OP)
>Faith v Enlightenment
Why do you think these are opposing forces?

>>40498226 (OP)
Faith gives you the motivation and reason to live without complaining, enlightenment helps you realize the cause of suffering so you don't have to complain anymore but simply live.

>>40498226 (OP)
Balanced path. The omni-path. you make believe you can only choose one, and that unlike people of the past you cannot blend and marry the two together.

>>40498226 (OP)
False dichotomy

You can’t walk the path of enlightenment without faith. How can you even set off down a path without having faith in the people who told you what’s at the end?
Essentially, you're asking what’s the difference between the path of the heart and the path of the mind, or love compared to awareness. That’s the same deal, they’re deeply entwined

Why can't faith bros just defend faith without saying it is reason? Why the insecurity? Not very faithful if you ask me

>>40504817
Logic.
Logical systems and assertions can take many forms, and one form of logic may contradict another form of logic.
We all find reason in what we think, do and believe, and that's the core of the issue.
People see the world differently than you see it, and have different rationale for doing so.
Faith in scientific theory versus faith in God versus faith in the sense alone etc.
It only becomes wrong when you try to force your way on others. Doesn't matter if you're factually right or wrong. When you try to force another to believe or disbelieve as you do, or use the words you prefer, you're in the wrong.

>>40504817
they find reason in their faith and faith in their reason
its just words they are using to try to communicate
maybe youre just picking at the words they choose more than arguing for what they mean to say in the subtext?
idk anon

>>40498226 (OP)
As long as there are benefits and downsides, so long there are paths
No Truth

>>40504817
>Why can't faith bros just defend faith without saying it is reason?
You clearly didnt read a single post in the thread.
Not one person did this, nor did anyone "defend faith" other than to correct OP on their false dichotomy.

>>40504858
>>40504864
>>40505240
This >>40498232

But ultimately you are either more paranoid or trusting. Like the EU can say it prioritizes growth like America, but if you prioritize one thing before growth you're not really prioritizing growth.

>>40505605
No, that is Mystery Men levels of trite banality.

Everyone wants to pretend like they can have both, but they end up with nothing.

>>40498849
Maybe in an cogito ergo sum type way
>>40498263
I'll this when I check the thread on my PC later
>>40498295
I think enlightenment is sorta self-improvery, paranoid, and attempting to solve a problem or riddle that is does not even know the question to initially. From there one can seemingly go down the universalism path or the eldritch path of enlightenment. Lots more to talk about though.

>>40505679
No, in a you arent saying anything of value way.

>>40505691
Then say what you think it means as simply as possible, or talk about it in how you know I am presenting it

>>40505043
Interesting
>>40504858
So this kinda, but like I feel like you guys know what I'm talking about when I frame enlightenment v. faith and this is just semantics, which is fine, I like semantics.

>>40504792
Maybe in a cogito ergo sum type way again
>>40504692
That sounds like just kinda giving up whenever you feel stuck on your path of enlightenment but I get the concept of balancing both as dichotomies to achieve a higher virtue
>>40503579
I have to think about this more
>>40500982
A faith bro if I ever saw one
>>40498337
I think a bastardized version of gnosticism could be cool

I'm sorry

>>40505698
I think you placed the words in what you believe are grammatically correct orders and imparted whatever ideas you already had onto them.
Like I said. Trite. And banal.

>>40505883
No I had imagined a concept which I then tried to articulate, I swear.

Alright I'm sorry the next thread will be better.

>>40507776
These are all valid questions. You could have not responded at all and it would still qualify as a decent thread.

>>40505709
>giving up whenever you feel stuck on
It's not about that, but on that topic I think it's best to let go of things when the time is right.
to take many paths which suit you is what I was meaning to say.
You can learn many skills for example, and you are able to travel to many destinations and learn from them as well.
It's fine to devote yourself to one, thing, but sometimes it's more beneficial to broaden your focus.

>>40498226 (OP)
Faith over enlightenment. Because faith imparts higher wisdom.

>>40498337
Why do non-Gnostics always have to project so hard

>>40509287
A tool one might use for opening the mind is but one of all possible tools

>>40511338
The goal is not to open the mind but to open the heart.

>>40509302
Gniggers are no better than Muslims and Jews. The foundation of your legitimacy is rejected, at the foundation, but you still act as though you have a foundation or any legitimacy.