As the subject says. Coming from a Christian (Catholic) background.

you can't learn magic as a christian. the closest thing you can do is go down the road of Luciferiansim which can bring great results.
or you could try and go down paganism or both.
but if you want to remain christian then, sorry anon magic is not for you.

Christian magic is the most powerful magic there is.
Thanks to the Bible I have achieved omnipotent godhood.
I'll teach you if you want, but most people don't actually want to know.
Should we start with heaven on earth/nirvana?

>>40510863
Please do

>>40510908
All right.
So first you must understand heaven is internal.
Which means you can get in just by knowing you're there.
But how?
First precept is God is omnipotent and omniscient, everything that is could be prevented but wasn't so everything is cosigned.
Now let's define "heaven"
A perfect divine utopia full of the blessed dead.
Earth is perfect, God made it. What we think of as bad is us being wrong.
It's divine because it came from God.
It's a utopia because the people in it are exactly as God intended, or he'd change them.
Now, the blessed dead bit....to be reborn in spirit the natural man must die.
You do that by becoming God's son, a god...total obedience to God's will and Christ's commandments.
Pretty easy really.

>>40510730 (OP)
I thought magic was satanic. So why are trying to learn it, Christian man?

>>40510956
Apparently you've never read anything about hoodoo/voodoo/other forms of folk catholicism
Or read the Bible.
It's full of magic users.
Balam, Moses, Solomon, Jesus Christ, etc

>>40510964
That isn't magic used in the Bible it's "miracles". Dumbass.

>>40510970
>it's not magic if it's magic from God
lol wut?
All magic is from God, all magic that works has to work through God. That's what they teach in hoodoo 101.

>>40510979
Sometimes, Africans are more intelligent than redditors.

>>40510979
None of this matters because none of this shit is real anyways lol. But go on keep arguing the semantics of magic and miracles.

>>40510988
Skill issue, truly.
If you really commit you can learn all kinds of crazy tricks from God.
Like seeing God for one thing.

>>40510985
Most times.

>>40510993
>Just says he can do magic
>provides no proof
Hold on I'm going to use my psychic future reading powers to predict your next response!
>I dont need proof, here's a deflection!

Wow I guess you're right, powers are real.

>>40511000
I can prove I'm omnipotent.
Omnipotence is doing whatever you choose, even when it's impossible.
I choose to do God's will, even when it's impossible, no more, no less.
So my omnipotence is equal to God's.
God also chooses to do God's will, even when it's impossible, no more, no less.

>>40511005
>Omnipotence is doing whatever you choose, even when it's impossible.
That is not what omnipotence means what are you on about? I hate Christians so much just twisting words and bullshitting their way out of logic lmao.

>>40511010
Go look it up.
That's the most omniscient omniscience you can get.

https://dokumen.pub/initiation-into-hermetics-2016nbsped-1885928122.html

Read and pratice, pratice, pratice. 1000 esoteric books wouldn't do for you what 30 min. of pratice daily will.
When you gradually grow into the book, you will notice that many psalms, prayers to angels and saints and so on are great hidden rituals for protection, balance etc.
Pic related.
Also, many hermetic praticioners take Jesus himself as their godhead, so, don't be morally stuck into religious conflict.

Blessings upon you!

>>40511046
Thank you

>>40510730 (OP)
Imagine your vital energy flowing through your arm, and try to feel that. Afterwards, try to interact with the energy of other things, as well.

>>40510840
You are a spirit, not a physical body, so your consciousness isn't limited to only being able to interact with physical things.

>>40510730 (OP)
Magic is a sin according to Christianity

>>40510730 (OP)
Coming from a Christian background we should stone you to death for being a sorcerer.

>>40513071
The Manna is the bread of God or universal Love. But to heal like Jesus did you need to command the spirits and angels.

>>40510730 (OP)
>As the subject says. Coming from a Christian (Catholic) background.
Study both medieval AND classical Alchemy and Spagyrics.
There is lots of overlapping terms and nomenclature.

>>40510840
this is a lie.
in fact everything these fuckers have in their bogus pseudo-religion comes from christian magic. many of the grimoires require you to be a catholic priest, and most contain secret names of god that are highly effective at subduing demons. compel the spirit to appear in a fair human form and speak only the truth, by the names....

>>40510730 (OP)
If you're already Catholic, your baptism has already initiated you into a tradition, speaking exoterically. Esoterically, you also have access to some good mystic techniques. If you're willing to color a little bit outside the lines, there's numerous saints who have traditionally been tied to folk magic use. And if you can stand coloring outside the lines even further, grimoire magic developed alongside the Catholic framework.

>>40510840
>you can't learn magic as a christian.
Bitch there's a long history of Christian magic. Hell, OP's roots in Catholicism make it arguably easier to get into a lot of classic magical traditions.

It's honestly more difficult to find non-Christian magic that is older than maybe a century and a half.

>>40516232
>Agrippa
Interesting that you post him because his life is the average /x/chizo's run.
>Believe that magic is real
>Get into the stuff
>Massive disappointment after disappointment
>Fuck it
>"It was a thing of the youth, guys, don't believe my writings."

>>40511046
I understand the chart is trying to be helpful, but I can't see its applicability beyond step II or III. I've been into esoteric systems before but most of the vocabulary here isn't practical. For example, deliberate separation of the astral and physical bodies, or the creation of a magic mirror.

>>40516788
>but I can't see its applicability beyond step II or III.

Because it's made up, anon.

>>40516673
To be fair, my other example was going to be John Dee, who found disappointment with his interaction with angels.

>>40510730 (OP)
First you start by denying Christ then you reject the holy ghost because you were probably baptized, curse it, but if the bible is true God will never forgive your for sinning against the holy spirit, and then you will be able to be a a sorcerer and cast spells and witchcraft.

>>40517942
The fuck kind of magic are you thinking about? You been reading Malleus Maleficarum?

>>40510730 (OP)
>how can I learn to see color if I’m colorblind!
You either have magic inside of you or you don’t. Everyone has some level of magic otherwise you wouldn’t be alive. That being said, natural born witches have an extra well of it.

You can learn some spellwork that do often provide results but these spells are quite limited in their scope. They often rely on karma and the universe.

But you can’t learn what you don’t have.

>>40517942
This is total falsehood. If you’re a natural born witch, you don’t have to reject Jesus. Go fuck totals yourself asshole.

Dont bother, waste of time

>>40517697
>Ouija before Ouija
In the end, he was just talking to himself (and his friend). Poor guy, he actually had good hearted motives to get into this stuff, most are just in it for selfish reasons. In the end, they all fail.

>>40518445
Most magicians were interacting with phantasms their own imaginations produced
Especially if drugs are involved, its a phantasm

>>40518456
So?

>>40518463
Phantasm interactions are generally not beneficial and largely a distraction from day to day life.

>>40513071
?
Jesus was a wizard
Some saints were wizards

>>40518375
You think I'm spreading lies because you lack understanding about this subject of witchcraft. Yes, there are people who are born with supernatural abilities because they have been conceived through rituals or conceived through occult rituals therefore they have spiritual gifts like divination or they can be mediums or channels for spirits and so on and so forth. But if that is the case then you are not doing any of those things with the help of the holy ghost, you are doing those things with the help of other kind of spirit. If you are not using the holy ghost to supernaturally influence the world then that is considered witchcraft by the bible. I'm not saying the bible is right. I'm just stating what the bible says about this. If you perform miracles or supernaturally influence the world with the help of the holy ghost because of your faith then that is not considered witchcraft or a sin. But if you perform a miracle or supernaturaly influence the world with any other kind of spirit then that is witchcraft and is a sin. I'm saying this because if you can perform miracles without the help of the holy ghost then you are having the help of other spirit and thefore you are considered a sorcerer by the god of the bible and thefore you will burn in Hell for not using his holy spirit to influence the world and change its reality to better suit your desires. I think this is the case because the dogma says that God's Will is perfect and brings hapiness therefore using the holy ghost to perform miracles would be a good thing because it would bring good to the whole world because reality would change to what God thinks is best for us, but when we use other spirit to change reality then that spirit is going to do what he thinks is best for us. Let's say you are using the evil force, the dark side, to shape reality then that won't be good for the world because the dark side doesn't have the interests of the people in mind. The dark Side has its own interests in mind

>>40518375
You don't need to reject Jesus or the holy ghost to perform miracles, but that is not considered witchcraft anyways. OP asked how he can be a sorcerer. A sorcerer doesn't use the holy ghost to perform miracles or to supernaturally influence the world and change reality, they use other spirits to do that. So if OP wants to supernaturally influence the world by being a sorcerer or doing witchcraft then he MUST reject christ and the holy ghost. I'm not lying here. If he uses the holy ghost to perform miracles then that is not sorcery or witchcraft.

>>40518579
Jesus must have been a witch then. Not one time did it mention that Jesus did it by the Holy Ghost. You’re sorely mistaken. You believe a lot of falsehoods. The Holy Ghost is a comforter. You perform miracles in the name of Jesus Christ. The power comes from his blood. I bind you oh dark man of perdition. May the chains chain you 3 by 3. May your internet be disconnected and your tongue tied into you learn to tell the truth. So mote it be. Stop lying.

>>40518509
I agree with you

>>40518594
A natural birthed witch doesn’t use spirits. Why are you christ cucks so fucking stupid?

>>40518594
And its not performing miracles, its simply harnessing the energy of the universe itself. Every time you turn on a light, use your phone or computer you’re practicing witchcraft. Electricity is one element of witchcraft. You’re welcome by the way.

>>40518594
Do you pray to baphomet when you get up at 3am to take a piss and turn on your bathroom light? No. Of course not. That’s retarded. Do you sacrifice a goat to lillith when you start your car to go to work? No. Of course not. That would be retarded. So stop saying that we have to deny Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost to harnass the power God himself created for us to use. Faggot ass bitch.

>>40518609
Do you read the bible? The holy ghost do a lot of work. He is also a teacher and he also brings comfort like you have said. The holy ghost is the spirit of God. Jesus used the holy ghost to perform miracles. He made it very clear. He said he could not do anything ny himself, but all that He did was through God's power. I'm not lying here. The bible backs me up even if I don't believe in it. I'm right because Jesus was accused of using the power of Belzebu to cast evil spirits out of the people and then he got mad because he was not using the power of the Belzebu, but he was using the holy ghost and he said that the only sin which would not be forgiven was the sin of cursing the holy spirit, when you don't respect the holy spirit of God and you talk shit about it. It doesn't mean I believe in this, but it's what is written in the bible. So... I don't think I'm lying here because if I'm lying then the bible is lying.

>>40518618
Yes, they do. How the fuck will you influence the world and change reality without a spirit helping you? You won't get very far. If you are a warrior and you want to change reality thrpugh brute force then you have the spirit of violence in you. That spirit which compels you to dominate other men and spill their blood. There's a spirit behind the blood lust and the lust for life and the trill of battle. Many tribes worshiped the war god and were imbued with this war god spirit and they did fight and die and killed.

>>40518694
You can have power by associating yourself with Jesus Christ and his side of the battle. I don't deny that. I don't understand you hate. But if you want to be a sorcerer then yes, you will have to deny Christ. Read the bible. Sorceres go to Hell. You can believe in Jesus and be a sorcerer. It's a contradiciton. I'm not saying you can't do magic without Jesus. Did one of his chosen ones walked over water with him? That is next level magic shit trick.

>>40519099
How the fuck do you turn on a light without spirits helping you? It’s energy you stupid bitch. You’re about as smart ad my ex girlfriend. Shoot yourself in the head and never breed because you’re an insult to the human race.

>>40519099
Look I’m not arguing against the fact that there’s spirits. People who lack the ability to manipulate energies ask spirits to manipulate energy for them. Some people like me can just manipulate energy. It has nothing to do with worship at the fuck all. The worst part is you think you’re right when you only know half the story. You have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. The holy spirit is a spirit. Do you argue all spirits are bad? Hardly. I love the holy spirit. It’s inside us all and connects us all. You don’t need to deny it to manipulate energy. I’m not performing miracles. You seriously need to study a physics book. You better have power turned off to your house and stop using electronics because you’re practicing witchcraft. Better stop using medicine, cuz guess what? You’re practicing witchcraft when you take antibiotics. Fucks sake stop being willfully stupid.

https://archive.org/details/the_psychonaut_field_manual_fourth_pdf_edition_by_bluefluke-d8rjuxc

best book you can ever read on the subject, take my shitty screenshot to heart, BELIEVING is the ABSOLUTE first step into anything magical

>>40519120
Different things. While I can see that to a primitive mind who still has not understand some basic principles of this reality would think that turning a light bulbe on through some sort of electrical system would be some sort of "magic", but to us who understand some basic principles of this universe we know that we don't need the help of spirits to turn a light bulb on. However, if we take in consideration that God really exists and He is the Source of Energy which sustains reality and gives life to things then without God we would not be able to do anything, really. We would not exist. So in this sense we do need a very specific spirit to help us and enable us to do basically do anything. Without this very specific spirit life as we know and this reality as we know at the present moment would not exist. So while I don't deny that I'm dumb I still thing that I'm right about this. We do need spirits helping us. The spirit of lust can help you get laid. Women have this spirit. They start doing this little gestures and facil expressions and they will seduce you, they will stir lust in you, because they have that spirit of lust. They know it. Are you going to tell me that there is not a spirit behind lust? A spirit behind love? The spirit of brotherhood, either for good or evil. That one both sides have.

>>40519150
lol What the fuck? Have you considered that if I'm doing witchcraft that I'm fine with it and going to Hell? I was not judging anyone here, but now I will because you amused me with your reply. You say you believe in Jesus fucking Christ and you also claim that you don't need to deny Jesus in order to manipulate energy. First of all, what do you mean by energy? Energy has a lot of different meanings depending on the language and context. If you are talking about manipulating energy in the sense of power derived from the utilization of physical or chemical resources, especially to provide light and heat or to work machines then yes, you don't have to deny Jesus to do that. This would be like in the sense of "work". We don't need to deny Jesus to "work", actually even if we don't believe in Jesus you will have to "work". There's no scape. If you have a business and pays people to work with you or for you then in a way aren't you manipulating energies? You directing the way those people you hired spend their energy. You want them to spend their energy doing the work you paid them to do. Right? You can say: "Pedro, stop doing that, you doing it wrong!" and if Pedro wants to get paid he better listen. So yes, we don't need to deny Jesus to manipulate energies in some senses of the world. Alright. But then you say you are not performing miracles. Then you are a fake christian. Jesus said those who genuinely believe in him and follow him would do greater things than he did. He did a lot of miracles, but here you are claiming to believe in Jesus and the holy ghost, but you are not doing any miracles! This makes me doubt that you are a genuine believer in Christ, if they even exist. Because a genuine believer in Christ would be able to do greater things than he did. He said it himself. Why can't you perform miracles? Do you lack faith? Because the bible says in in order for the miracles to happen the person must have faith. Then if you can't perform mirales isn't

>>40519150
this a sign that you lack faith? Then how come you want to have authority over my word? At best your word has the same value my word have, none, because the word of a human beings is worthless and meaningless. I feel like you are fooling yourself. I have never seem a priest performing a miracle, but I have seen black priests doing things which I did think were impossible. So this made realize that the priests are lying. They follow a dead ritual. If it was alive then God would manifest Himself and miracles would happen. But none of that happens. The church is a big pyo. I don't deny God and things like that. If you still think God is good then good for you. Keep on believing that. Because if you ever start to doubt about God's character then that's when you really step outside the cave. When you start to question the dogmas.

>>40510840
>you can't learn magic as a christian
mehhhhh.

If you're a confirmed Catholic you technically promised not to practice magic is what he means.

praying for guidance from God is better than magic anyway.

God has a multitude of paths to put you on that will take care of you. It's like the same thing as walking the line of the TAO.

Doing magic is trying to change all that and it always snaps back on you at some point.

>>40510863
joseph smith said this