Can you meditate and ascend to alternative levels of thought that you can otherwise only get to through using certain drugs like psychs or too much pot? I'd always heard from people who swore by meditation that it can be even more powerful than drug trips. Does doing both take you even higher?

>>40515979 (OP)
A car can take you to a lot of places. But if you don't know how to drive, and don't know where you are going, it won't do you well.

>>40515989
>But if you don't know how to drive, and don't know where you are going, it won't do you well.

Is this where religion/metaphyiscal belief comes in?

>>40516000
Yes, but you need a reliable tradition that actually does work with these subtances.
I honestly all I can recommend for people outside of those traditions is tea and tobacco as contemplation aids.

>>40515979 (OP)
>"No drug is as powerful as a sober mind focused in one direction" - Ross Scott
I assume people did psychs because it's easier to feel outside your body with them then doing the traditional ways. Pot though kills your dreams so I never tried it for /x/ reasons.

>>40515989
if you don't know where you're going and you walk, you'll still get lost, and you'll cover way less distance

Just use hemi sync, it requires practice although you can get into deeper states faster compared to normal sitting meditation.

However sitting without back support in meditation allows for stronger experiences and better control but it requires many hours of training.

>>40515979 (OP)
Well define "meditate" here because that word encompasses literally a thousand fucking things