you can not in good conscience create this cruel horrific world and maintain it day after day after day after day for TRILLIONS of years and have the audacity to claim to be a good guy after, a guy so good that he demands nothing less than BLIND eternal worship and devotion

why would a 'god' even need worship?
why would a 'good god' even create this horrible world?
why would a god torture quantillons of living organisms for trillions of years only to get more stockholm syndrome victims to come crawl at his feet and ask forgiveness?

>>40519916 (OP)
Everything about the universe screams of abandon.

>>40519916 (OP)
>why would a 'good god' even create this horrible world?
Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Read this post...

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1799553063390154856
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This planet is not Earth. It is Bozrah.

Earth is another planet about 75,000 light years from here, whereas this planet is merely an impostor planet that calls itself "Earth." Big difference. And trust me, I know how to count to 10 seconds, ACCURATELY. What used to be 10.00 seconds (for me) is now a whopping 15.00 seconds! If you don't believe me, see Matthew 24:22 and Revelation 8:12. For the natives, though, the speed of time here has always been the same.

If you are a Bozrah native, you are in serious trouble. The people of this planet must acknowledge that Bozrah is not Earth and that Jesus is coming to destroy it. Otherwise, don't expect God to save you.
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>>40519936
>>40519916 (OP)
I mean, if he chose Eskimos, I’d be like, ok, but just for happenstance he chooses the people who are now trying to eliminate the humans who have actually invented stuff that makes life better, not just technology, but logic and human rights theory etc. The people he chose are the people poisoning and ruining everything with all the vigor of the devil himself.

More likely the whole thing is the true test, you’re supposed to believe that he is God, and reject him, that seems like the passing answer, without also becoming a Satanists evil person. The correct answer is obviously “god is evil and retarded, and so is Satan, and they are both the gods of the most evil people, likely the same being all together, I reject it, and heaven, and serving Satan, this is the true rebellion, the true good.

The whole religion is meant to eliminate heroes. Be a hero. It is you.
https://youtu.be/uw66FA6OTqA

>>40519916 (OP)
>>40519936
>>40520042
>Religion: provides security, community and a sense of belonging
>Non religion: banan goes in the bhole
There's no argument here just pointless seething. Some primitive desert people came up with the ultimate way of life and the world majority follows it, just thinking if it enrages the atheist

>>40519916 (OP)
>why would a 'god' even need worship?
Doesnt. Worship is for you.
>why would a 'good god' even create this horrible world?
To indulge our desire to exist without God.
>why would a god torture quantillons of living organisms for trillions of years only to get more stockholm syndrome victims to come crawl at his feet and ask forgiveness?
Because that's what they and you want - to be the center of existence.
It makes a cruel and terrible world, but you keep choosing it.

>>40520111
The arguments are pretty clear, if you refuse to address them directly it doesn't make them cease to exist? And you said ''pointless seething'' because you are brainwashed so deep that even after I literally criticized god you call me atheist as an insult

>>40520151
1 he demands eternal worship if you want to be saved otherwise you go to hell

2 makes no sense.. seriously 0 sense, how is that related to creating a shitty world? lol and even if what you said made sense (which it doesn't) he just had to create us without that desire to exist or whatever excuse you just came up with.. not complicated. the same way why create evil people if they are bad? that's beyond dumb on god's part

3 nobody wants to be the center of existence, where does that even come from and what is the logical link between that and what I just said?

also free will doesn't exist, you don't choose what you like / dislike, if you are smart / dumb, healthy / unhealthy, where you were born, who would be your parents, when you will be born, all the events that shape you, etc.. you choose nothing at all

>>40520307
>1 he demands eternal worship if you want to be saved otherwise you go to hell
That's just what the bible says, and the bible is wrong.
>how is that related to creating a shitty world?
This is what it the world turned into when people exist as the center of their reality, and without a Supreme Being.
>he just had to create us
Wrong. You were never created. You are as eternal as God, as you are an infinitesimal part of God.
>nobody wants to be the center of existence
Wrong. You currently believe you are the center of existence. Your mind is what you are aware of. Your body is where you are.
>free will doesn't exist
1 - Not true, but you dont understand how limited your free will is. You have exactly one choice.
2 - IF this were true, then you would have no argument because God would not have free will either.

>>40519916 (OP)
>why would a 'god' even need worship?
Worship: to reverence, to adore
King: through the notion of a foundation of power; a sovereign
Lord: supreme in authority

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:16, the Holy Bible.
Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. Revelation 15:3, the Holy Bible.

>why would a 'good god' even create this horrible world?
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:15-17, the Holy Bible.

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? Genesis 3:9-11, the Holy Bible.

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 5:5, the Holy Bible.

>>40519916 (OP)
>>40520454
>why would a god torture quantillons of living organisms for trillions of years only to get more stockholm syndrome victims to come crawl at his feet and ask forgiveness?
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4, the Holy Bible.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23, the Holy Bible.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16, the Holy Bible.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9, the Holy Bible.

Sins: Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like, Galatians 5:19-21, the Holy Bible.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, the Holy Bible.

>>40519916 (OP)
>>40520521
>but he literally is evil
Repent ye, and believe the gospel. Mark 1:15, the Holy Bible.
I declare unto you the gospel: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, the Holy Bible.
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38, the Holy Bible.

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7, the Holy Bible.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Revelation 21:4, the Holy Bible.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: Revelation 22:3, the Holy Bible.

>>40520280
Your entire argument:
>Ummm why doesn't god just poof me to heaven where I belong?
Heaven isn't for hedonistic degenerate who doesn't even spend 2 minutes of his day thinking about ways to improve the life of his fellow men or feeding the hungry. Suffering isn't real, it is nonexistant to a child. All this so called pain and suffering is caused by the godless 1% who invented the scarcity crisis

>>40520521
>neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners
God will see one (1) femboy and decide, "That's it, my perfect creation that I created perfectly with my perfect power is ruined, and now billions of sentient beings need to suffer and die of all manner of causes, including my own divine son, in order to fix this horrible mistake that is definitely not at all my fault because I benevolently gave my creations a tiny bit of freedom to do whatever they wanted which they then, to my utter shock and dismay, used to do something that I didn't want them to do."

>>40520636
>>40520526
For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 22:14, the Holy Bible.

>>40519916 (OP)
The archons tried to improve the world, but they failed.

https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-archon-abandonment-theodicy

>If there’s a God, why do so many horrible things happen? Why has the last nearly billion years of history been filled with animals suffering and dying—through predation, starvation, and disease—rarely in ways that seem to achieve any greater goods? Why would a God of limitless power never have intervened throughout the course of this horrendous process?

>In my view, the most promising explanation comes from my friends Brian Cutter and Philip Swenson. This theodicy is a work in progress, and no doubt there are more details to be figured out. But in my view, it is the most plausible account of why God would allow such horrendous things to go on for so long.

>The short idea: there are archons (angel or demonlike creatures) tasked with making this world very good. In order to do so, they’d need to work together and carry out a difficult task. However, the archons have failed—most likely they didn’t even try to make the world very good.

>Why does the world look so callous and indifferent to our welfare? Because the creatures tasked with making it not indifferent to our welfare failed. The seeming indifference of the world is, on this picture, no more mysterious than an abandoned house looking run-down.

>Now you might wonder: why the heck would God set up such a scheme? Why would he make it so that if the archons abandon us, the world has such horrendous evil? Cutter and Swenson answer: connection-building.

>Suppose that you rescue someone from a burning building. You do it at great personal difficulty and risk to yourself. You seriously might have failed. Ultimately, this heroic act will forge a kind of connection between you and the person that you saved. They’ll see you as a hero, and your relationship with them will be stronger than it ever could have been otherwise.

>>40519916 (OP)
Either God deliberately creates suffering despite not needing to, or is useless and therefore not a god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZYWOzRF1yA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC0HnTYu_OI

The answer is that God longs to be anything but God. God longs for ignorance. We are basically an escape-fantasy for God, where He can briefly escape the burden of being God, which is worth the suffering of this life.

>>40521732
(Continuing). This is why he forbade the fruit. Knowledge is a curse to God. He desperately WANTS to create a world which is ignorant of the truth and inhabit it as an escape. This is the real reason he creates so many people who are ignorant. Anyone who takes responsibility and seeks the truth in this world is literally being more responsible than God is, which is why they are the greatest and most cherished things of all.

>>40520526
Bible literally says you only get one life to not sin, you understand this is unjust, right?

Watch this...

>>40520924
>Either God deliberately creates suffering despite not needing to,
It's this one.
>hey God, I want to experience your absence
>Okay, but you will suffer, and there isnt anything to learn other than it sucks
>don't care, I want it
>Are you sure? I really think you would prefer this heaven I made centered on love and joy and oneness
>nope, I want to try separation and endless desire
>fine, I will give you pointless suffering, but I'll give you lots and lots of ways back once you change your mind