The reality shifting community has WAY more coherent metaphysics than Neville Goddard or Universal Line.

The latter two are laughably solipsistic unless you apply the infinite multiverse framework of the former.

Rare zoomer redditard W, I suppose.

>>40520059 (OP)
They are self shifting not reality shifting.

>>40520059 (OP)
If you want coherent metaphysics go therr if you want results try neville

>>40520093
Elaborate.
>>40520096
They use Neville's methods. What I'm saying doesn't negate him, it just needs to be recontextualized.

Bump.

>solipsism is le bad!
new from reddit are we?

You're right OP, I'll pay you in cube

>>40520693
If you take what they're saying completely seriously, then they don't exist. In which case, why listen to them?

bump

I honestly gave up on this stupid shit after a while. None of this crap yields results, and it fucks up with your head at the long run. Some anon reached out to Paolucci in his reddit DM and he straight up told him to drop his documents and do something else that he enjoy instead. People get caught up so much on this manifestation grift that life goes by and it feels like this shit is just a meat grinder for the mind instead of something to push you foward your goals. I do understand that the lack of opportunities in modern life is infuriating, but it's better to pass the time being happy than trying to find something that is not there. I'm so tired

>>40526907
Your fears manifest. Not in a devastating way. But fears, when it spills into your conscious thoughts, will create situations that agree with the fear. Fear of spiders, fear of embarrassment = a belief that you have weakness. Life will happily oblige in showing you that. Again, not in a devastating way, more like in a disappointment kinda way. So you’ll need some time and space to dig into those thoughts bounce back those fears. Like learn to laugh at yourself if you’re afraid of being embarrassed or if you’ll jump out of your pants seeing a spider. Swallow your pride, and be a person who…goes with the flow. It’s the media that has brainwashed you into thinking the nonchalant, serious, frowning people are successful and productive. Nope.

To recap be more positive. Learn to laugh at negative people, try. Oh and stay away from the news. They unintentionally evoke negative emotions even if you’re just scrolling

>>40526960
I'm not even going to read your fortune cookie post. People who get shit done doesn't need to be a lobotomized hippie like the average userbase of this board, coping with these shitty platitudes. Self help is for cucks, and there is nothing wrong with pride. See you never, moron.

>>40527028
You’re talking about the average user on this board but you’re like 16. You’re probably younger than average but you say you know more??

>>40526907
>told him to drop his documents and do something else that he enjoy instead

But WHAT IF he enjoys this mind fuck?

>>40527114
Then carry on. Seriously, the only way i see this working is if you have fun with this stuff unconditionally. Otherwise, its just another slog to get by, but worse because it can't guarantee the results you need at the moment.

>>40527028
>People who get shit done doesn't need to be a lobotomized hippie
Stopped reading right there

You really fell for the pixie psyop

You can be successful without being a negative ass unfun person

Positive vibes attract positive outcomes

>>40526907
I getcha man. The best suggestion I've heard (from TriumphantGeorge) is to basically throw this stuff in your back pocket. Keep it handy, in mind. But don't let it keep you from doing what you want/need to do.
>>40520059 (OP)
Don't you mean dimensional jumping? I think TG and the other folks there and at r/Oneirosophy were quite bright and unusually honest with themselves. I've gone on and on about it before, so I'll just say that if you're looking for an actually modernized and abstracted "reframing" of magick, body/energy work and the like, do check it out.
t. a reader as obsessive as the next one

>>40527172
>Positive vibes attract positive outcomes
False binary thought that have no resemblance to reality whatsoever. Feelings are not real.
>>40527183
George was so based.

>>40527183
Let me see if I can get more at the point with your post, >>40526907 ... because I really do sympathize with what you're saying because it was something that really frustrated me at one point as well.
Like, instead of letting the idea of leapfrogging through something with manifestation keep you paused until you get it... just do it instead. If it's something ambiguous, you can't just "do money"; ambiguity is ambiguity at any level, and in either way, it's still intention. This is to say, getting your hands dirty in a conventional/practical way serves as a litmus test for your desire.
Now, how would you actually do (what we know as) magick? When you think about it, you can actually apply a lot of practical advice. For example, try making the subject of your experiment something you're not anxious about, as it would open the door for spontaneity. In particular, this shines an interesting light on practices such as martial arts and bodywork/energy work, as I mentioned, because... well, again, as above so below, basically.
So, those are just suggestions. But really, anything's better than twiddling your thumbs. Experiment. Actually experiment. Check out these reading lists if you're interested; I highly recommend searching through what was discussed there too, because they contextualize the referenced material quite interestingly.

https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/5v7nst/_/ddzvznb/
https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3ob4vu/_/cvw09qi/?context=99

As a side note, I would perhaps like to participate more on /x/ and try to refresh these ideas in the public consciousness. I'd need more experience under my belt, though.
>>40527249
He really was. I get why he stopped; I'm hard-pressed to see what else they could discuss, and under what context, anyway? As I recall reading: the well got poisoned eventually, as it always does, so he called it quits when what was done was good enough.

>>40527267
Thanks god there's someone with brains around this board still. I did read every single George post trought an Reddit Archive tool called pullpush, along with him, some other users related like Mossyeyes and DreamerAxelos who studied UL. I spend a long ass time; one of the things i saw with it tho was that, for these people "everything worked", so they eventually deduced that they were the common denominator of their experiences, and that was that, simple and easy. For me, nothing has worked so far: LoA, Magick, UL, nothing has gotten me any results (And if they did, it got over my head, but there is one outcome in specific that could be definitive and yet im far from it). But at the same time, i refuse to call it quits with UL (the thing i decided to stick to), because i heard from a guy that studied it for 4 years and could make it, so maybe eventually some event happens that could start my results for good and, as Paolucci put it, maybe i should "stop digging the seed out to see if it sproud". I honestly decided to do this for fun instead, but also to have something to make sense of the world without falling into dispair. I had come too far to left empty handed.

>>40527267
Also, as for reading, im done with reading crap. I lost taste for wasting my time, and it ultimately feels like coping. Instead eating up a bunch of useless junk, is better to just live your life, at least that's that for me.

>>40527298
>Thanks god there's someone with brains around this board still.
:-) I'm far from it, I think. I'll hazard tooting my horn and say that at least it's an attempt at doing something other than blowing hot air.
>pullpush
Speaking of, it's been down for a couple months. https://arctic-shift.photon-reddit.com/search is one that still works.
>some other users related like Mossyeyes and DreamerAxelos who studied UL.
I didn't really look into UL as much as others, personally, since I found DJ to be far cleaner in its conceptualization and very inclusive in its approach. Appeals to modern sensibility, I guess you could say.
But I did hear of those people.
>they eventually deduced that they were the common denominator of their experiences, and that was that, simple and easy
This is still odd to me. Because I think that is a logically sound idea ( see: http://files.catbox.moe/92xli9.pdf ), and that's the thing, just thinking it's true won't "do the trick". Has to do with sense of presence, which is still elusive for me. But the reading material has stuff digging into it. I'll get around to it; I've just decided I'm going to take things slowly.
>so maybe eventually some event happens that could start my results for good
Like waiting for a miracle to happen. I sympathize, it's quite painful. Have you seen this? https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/6l1ss9/my_final_post/djstyk6/?context=1
>>40527332
Yeah, so if you want to take a break from all this, I think you definitely should. When/if you decide to return to it though: don't read just to read, learn the minimal amount to start experimenting with something yourself.

>>40527353
>learn the minimal amount to start experimenting with something yourself.
Anything with a meat-and-bones teacher/therapist (in the broad sense of both words) you're in the same room with might help you as well.

>itt insufferable faggots wall posting on 4chin
Kys retards and go back to r/trans

>>40527414
So if you wanted to talk about anything in particular, how would you then string a line of thought more than 10 seconds in length?

>>40527414
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP DISCUSSING PRACTICAL /X/ CONTENT, WE NEED TO LARP MORE AND BECOME MENTALLY ILL
Feds aren't sending their best.
>>40527267
I'm going to copy paste some solid advice from an anon from back in the day when someone asked him about Zealand:
>Any approach works if you stick to it. What resonated the most with me was Kybalion + Atkinson. But srsly, just read this once, stop indulging into magic, go meditate, work on material goals keeping the knowledge in your subconscious while being present in the now and it shall be fine. If you keep on searching for new approaches you will accomplish nothing except for developing schizophrenia.
Sincerely, reading an insane amounts of books will eventually lead to insanity, so if i were you guys, i would just stick to something, anything, and leave it as that. Action is the cure to anxiety, not getting consumed by your own thoughts. People only look into this because of a lack in their lifes, but sooner or later they will have to face the facts.

>>40520693
>>solipsism is le bad!

solipsism is le solipsism.
If you fall all the way in, you're going to be stuck in your own gravity, forever, and the line of your life will never intersect with the line of anyone else's life ever again. That's Hell, champ.

>>40527469
>but sooner or later they will have to face the facts.
Yep. I vaguely remember the one time it clicked. When you notice the resistance living in your bones. "Shit, I'm actually pushing against my own patterning."
Personally, it's all been part of a slow "loosening" since then.
I think the advice you quoted is definitely sound. And I concur. Action is the cure to anxiety.
Good luck anon. See you around, possibly. Again, this's the long haul for me. So, more likely than not.

>>40527500
>If you fall all the way in, you're going to be stuck in your own gravity, forever, and the line of your life will never intersect with the line of anyone else's life ever again.
Says who? Besides, when you dream, you experience what you call "anyone else" inside your own head, and yet is the same way you experience them in real life. Solipsism is also the default run for women, and the more they stray away from it, the worse it gets from them. Beat it goober, (You) are the only mediator between the experience and the experiencer, you can't be anybody else. Face the facts, or cope.

>>40527538
>Besides, when you dream, you experience what you call "anyone else" inside your own head, and yet is the same way you experience them in real life.

If you believe this, something in your brain didn't develop right past early childhood. You might already be past your own event horizon.

>>40520059 (OP)
>unless you apply the infinite multiverse framework
Funny because that isn't even necessary, a graham number of multiverses would suffice and be more than enough, by a long shot.
And G_64 isn't even that big.
And G_20 or even G_10 could be overkill as well.
It's as if the word "infinite" is used so people can imagine it includes their case, because of their ignorance of large numbers, so they wouldn't get a finite large number would cover it too.
10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10 universes may already contain all cases any human could ever conceive and it's smaller than G_1 (1010 Vs. 33).

>>40527585
>1010 Vs. 33
Darn, we can't use up arrows in 4 chan?
Let's
^ = knuth's up-arrow
Then:
10^^10 Vs. 3^^^^3

>>40526960
I also want to mention if anyone gets the wrong idea about this post. It is ok to feel negative emotions. They are a part of your journey here. But you need to have a positive emotion as well next to the negative emotion. It’s like feeling the pain, but knowing it’ll pay off—the negative emotion is still there but there’s a positive awareness simultaneously. Positivity takes work every single time—there’s no such thing as positive people. That would be a mannequin, or Buddha

>>40520059 (OP)
>laughably solipsistic
solipsistism works.

if you're too neurotic to handle the phrase "if it works, it works" then all of magick is not for you.

>>40527547
Dogma and nothing more. Keep suffering.

>>40527585

>>40520059 (OP)
People are already solipsistic by default in their own natyre. If you can't notice this, you haven't been paying enough attention to your own life

>>40528928
Just because you act like you're the only thing that exists doesn't mean you're literally the only thing that exists

>>40527353
>I'm far from it
if thats what you command sire

>>40527469
And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh (ecc 12:12).

>>40527500
who is the other person anyway? and what are we falling in/off??

b u m p

Just fucking robotically affirm.

>>40529014
You can only experience life as the container you call you, and caring for someone else require projection. This is just the human condition. Sure, you can turn a blind eye to this as long as this makes you feel better, but you're just pretending.

>>40529779
they have a name for this
it's sociopathy

>>40529788
>Zero refutation. Get called sociopath for pointing out the facts
I don't know why i even bother.

>>40529854
>zero refutation
lack of empathy for others is literally the definition of sociopathy

>>40529622

>>40529267
>if thats what you command sire
Hmm. Like, you think me lowballing and saying I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed in the grand scale of things is a self-fulfilling prophecy? Or did you interpret it the other way around, me accepting I got brains?