Can enough meditation heal your mind permanently?

>>40527236 (OP)
No. Meditation is a meme, and a retarded one at that. Mental emptiness practice for the mentally empty to pretend that they are accomplishing something while simply existing as a retard.

>>40527236 (OP)
What do you mean "heal" your mind? I've met enough supposedly enlightened people who were depressed sons of bitches. Meditation isn't just about the woo-sah shit. There's a whole lot of pain if you do it seriously enough. But if you're simply a 20 minutes twice a day kind of casual.. then yes meditation can heal your mind permanently. Just stick to be casual permanently though.

>>40527280
I'm talking about meditate long enough and often enough that you stop being bothered by anything anymore

>>40527296
if you stop meditating you'll get mindraped again
if you want permanent healing you need meditation in your daily life till the rest of your life
it's like drinking water or eating

>>40527313
Well what about meditating till you get clarity, and just trying to remember or keep focus on it between sessions? I'd love to meditate endlessly but life just ain't that simple

>>40527330
i didn't mean constant meditation i meant meditation as part of your routine

>>40527340
If you want to make gains and feel better you should practice deep contemplation and concentrating on endeavors of the mind instead of meditation.

>>40527236 (OP)
Mental health can be a goal of meditation, yes. I would recommend looking into the loop model of cognitive behavior therapy, and the practice of active loving-kindness.

>>40527236 (OP)
Only renouncing your sins, false religions, forgiving others and praying to Christ can bring you back under God’s legal protection and heal you.

>>40527359
Eastern philosophy is a chaos of conflicting voices. The Bible is order. 1 ruler. 1 king. Meditation and all that zen crap is an endless cycle. Can you desire to not desire?

>>40527352
isn't that the same thing?
meditation to me is just deep focus, i hate that whole sitting and breathing thing it irritates me

>>40527359
>>40527367
sup Chaim

>>40527381
>convenient lack of rebuttal

how is eastern philosophy not just slop? everybody literally just says whatever the fuck they want. it’s a chaos of conflicting bullshit.

The bible is one rule book. It may have different interpretations but at least it is order and not a hamster wheel of chaos.

>>40527396
the world is chaotic so eastern philosophy reflects that
but the world is also orderly and abrahamism reflects that too
WOAH

>>40527396
How does the Bible make any more sense than any other ancient text? If anything the Tao Te Ching is the only thing that comes to mind for "one rule book". Way more straightforward than any other bullshit Eastern or Western.

>>40527419
you’re not even presenting any argument

>>40527429
Eastern philosophy is slop with no point. It doesn’t confirm objective evil exists. It doesn’t present that a spiritual battle between good and evil is raging, which is why it’s deceptive slop. Anything that denies the reality of evil is bullshit.

>>40527445
What fucking philosophy denies the reality of evil?

>>40527454
You do not know shit. Stop talking.

The philosophy of buddhism is to do nothing while your mother gets raped. Nothing means anything. It just “is.”

Christianity asserts that the world is a corrupt battleground for good vs evil. The devil can’t influence you if you know he exists. But you won’t understand because you’re stuck in your stupid slop ideology that falls apart in two seconds of scrutiny.

>>40527467
>Buddhism says to do nothing so uhhhhhhj every belief other than Christianity is bullshit
k Moshe

>>40527480
That’s the definition of chaos you fucking retard.

Buddhism has no moral absolutes or any absolutes at all.

>>40527491
Wow you're right, Eastern religion totally misses the mark on moral absolutes damn you're totally right I should totally turn myself over to idol worship now.

>>40527513
>convenient lack of rebuttal again
sad, you have no argument, give up

>>40527524
You had no point to make in the first place. Topic has nothing to do with Christianity.

>>40527536
>convenient lack of rebuttal x3
amazing argument you got there LMAO

>>40527236 (OP)
Yes
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>>40527542
you're the one who came in here making comparisons to the Bible and eastern religion. The burden of proof is on you to show how that's relevant to anything

>>40527561
I dismantled eastern religion. Nothing means anything. So why the fuck would you follow it? To follow it implies meaning itself. Argument lost.

Your religion is chaos. Mine is order.

>>40527567
A reductive criticism of Buddhism is hardly a dismantling of Eastern religion as a whole, and you still haven't explained why your belief system is less chaotic, why that makes it Superior, and what relevance any of it has to this topic

i hate when threads turn into two people arguing against each other

>>40527375
Meditation is deliberate focus of awareness. There are many ways, for.many reasons. Some mystical, some not. Some for spiritual reasons, some not.
The key to all meditation is that it is deliberate, and that it is not about thinking, but awareness. (It can involve thinking, but the awareness is the important part.)

>>40527296
Throw also some contemplation/journalling/shadow work in there. Meditation is about ignoring thoughts but some thoughts may persist a little too much, those are better taken of in shadow work.

>>40527296
Meditation is NOT "ignoring your thoughts". There are plenty of meditation techniques that involve deliberately focusing awareness on your thoughts and thought process.
Do not be tricked into the dogma of meditation being only one way, for only one reason.

>>40527612
Welcome to humanity, enjoy your stay.

>>40527612
I hate how comfortable 4chan christians are with strawmanning every other religion (or at least coming across the dumbest interpretation of another religion by some random person and unquestioningly accepting it as definitive) while presenting their own as if their books aren't full of internal disagreements and substantially open to interpretation. To me it comes across as a clear case of them just wanting their team to dominate the marketplace of ideas rather than having an interest in truth.

>>40528717
Faith is literally definitionally opposed to marketplace of ideas and a thoroughgoing interest in the Truth for its own sake. That is true of all religions (again, definitionally)

>>40527236 (OP)
The only way you heal your mind is you either forget or accept it and grow from it.

>>40528753
I don't think faith has to mean insisting that you know things you don't. It can also means choosing to act as if something is the case even under uncertainty for various reasons. For example in Buddhism, the Buddha argues against viewing everything as predetermined and outside of our control or that everything is totally non-determined and outside of our control mainly on the basis that that doing so leads to inaction. So reasoning from the effect of the assumption on the individual rather than from evidence, given that the evidence can be seen as ambiguous ( https://suttacentral.net/an3.61/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin

And elsewhere there's a dialogue where the Buddha is discussing the advantages of generosity with someone, and he gives some advantages that are said to be observable in this life, but he also says that it's advantageous for the next life, and the Buddha has no problem with the person admitting that he doesn't actually know that the Buddha is correct about the advantage in the next life.

"But when the Blessed One says to me, ‘At the break-up of the body, after death, one who is generous, a master of giving, reappears in a good destination, a heavenly world,’ that I do not know. That is where I go by conviction in the Blessed One."

"So it is, Sīha. So it is."

>>40528827
And of course there's the famous Kalama Sutta: "So, as I said, Kālāmas: ‘Don’t go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, “This contemplative is our teacher.” When you know for yourselves that, “These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the observant; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to happiness”—then you should enter & remain in them."

And there's another sutta it would take me a while to find where the Buddha says that a good method should work whether you believe in it or not (paraphasing).

I don't know that Christianity's understanding of faith could be taken similarly, since it often *does* seem to be insisting that you actually somehow make yourself believe things.

John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.”

Mark 11:24
"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."

>>40528849
I'm not trying to strawman Christianity btw in case someone thinks I'm being hypocritical. I would really like to have an understanding of Christianity where it somehow doesn't involve saying you believe things without sufficient evidence as a feature that is central to salvation.

Romans 10:9
"If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

>>40528907
You're not being hypocritical. You ARE being just as much a religious preacher as any Christian.

>>40527236 (OP)
It can strengthen your mind for awareness and mindfulness on tough personal topics to rough news to hear from other people, i think it can heal your humanity, if you feel like the world has dehumanized you in any way, and it's one of those things that you can add to your routine, until you find something else to feel fulfilled by, or take your mind off with, and heal in your own personal way,

I quite like doing something that looks like nothing, while thinking about anything or everything that comes around, or needs to be addressed, and I also quite enjoy doing tasks that gives me room to reflect upon myself or the world and cement of what I really think and what I believe is blasphemy to my well-being and spirit/soul,

>>40527236 (OP)
Probably. Monks don't seem to have much mental illness.

>>40527352
>If you want to make gains and feel better you should practice deep contemplation and concentrating on endeavors of the mind instead of meditation.
sorry to be a dick about this, but posts such as these should get you beaten with a rubber hose for how stupid and ignorant they are
when you dont understand basic facts such as "thinking uses up the same mental capital that awareness uses to make real meditative gains" and this directly means that thinking is rotating your tires in the mud going nowhere
thinking and figuring your life out is important to do
but fucks sake dont do this shit on meditation time, or in lieu of meditation
sorry you have 0 accomplishments under your belt and have no basis to even determine what's true or not
but my words are facts
now run along and play in other threads and stay out of threads where you have nothing to add but your own uninformed, inexperienced conjecture

>>40527375
>meditation to me is just deep focus, i hate that whole sitting and breathing thing it irritates me
I love these "well my version of meditation is" posts
deep focus does not mean deep thought
any mental stirring whatsoever precludes the real stuff from taking place
it will also destroy the real stuff perchance one has manifested it and experiences such a perturbation of the mind
a problem arises with the etymology of the word meditation, which does not really indicate "real meditation" but rather denotes contemplation
I assure you, these two concepts are diametrically opposed to each other
but use the same source fuel

>>40527375
and breathwork is a means to quiet the nerves and imbue quiescence
which becomes important when one reaches a level of actual accomplishment
mastering anapanasati destroys boredom

>>40527445
>Eastern philosophy is slop with no point. It doesn’t confirm objective evil exists. It doesn’t present that a spiritual battle between good and evil is raging, which is why it’s deceptive slop. Anything that denies the reality of evil is bullshit.
dumb fuck, there is harmony with nature, and there's going against nature
usury is against nature, chaim

>>40527467
he tries saying this when the bible literally says if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek and let him slap that one, too
get the fuck out of this thread, it has nothing to do with you or your beliefs

>>40527236 (OP)
I don't know about permanently but yes in theory it can heal your mind permanently.

>>40529929
"awareness" is faggoty catalepsy, you are a larping retard

>>40527236 (OP)
if it leads to a kundalini awakening yeah I can attest to that, I repaired my schizoid mind and now am forced to feel loneliness again

>>40528575
>Meditation is about ignoring thoughts but some thoughts may persist a little too much, those are better taken of in shadow work.
it would be good to realize that the arising of random thoughts is simply something that auto-habituates in humans
this does not indicate that it is impossible to achieve shutting off all randomly arising thoughts, though
I can tell you this with such confidence because I was able to manifest precisely that in a bunch of my peaks of practice endeavors
consider that habit energy carries momentum
this momentum will just carry forth and is reinforced by letting the mind wander
there's no way to destroy a habit, unless that habit is replaced with another habit
so if one just continues the habit of letting the mind wander, then one will never ever eliminate that habit energy of lots of randomly arising thoughts
habits have positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement
but make no mistake, both are reinforcement
thus it winds up being that there's no such thing as an anti-thought
except insofar as this translates to pure awareness
the way to conquer the habit of thinking is to replace it with the habit of awareness, or the habit of breath work
immediately, the moment one notices he is thinking and has deviated from his cultivation practice
over and over, until the habit energy momentum of the mind wandering in thought is tamped down to a very low level
until it is finally just gone
this is achievable with 3-5 meditation sessions per day and minute+ long breath durations
not that the earlier daily sessions need to be super long, but the last one of the day should be 1-3 hours
thinking about how to stop thinking is indeed a 100% futile endeavor
contemplate your life, just not on meditation time

>>40527965
>It can involve thinking
you were doing well until you got here

>>40528632
>Do not be tricked into the dogma of meditation being only one way, for only one reason
my dear newfag,
stillness meditation is the meat, potatoes, and vegetables of spiritual cultivation
this should be minimum 50% of all spiritual endeavors
if its not, then one should not be surprised when he gets relatively nowhere
active practices are the remainder
contemplation should not even be considered a spiritual cultivation practice
at least not by anyone who can seriously be said to do spiritual cultivation

>>40528717
I love how people talk about fucking religion on spiritual cultivation threads
religion has relatively little if not nothing to do with it
doing religious rituals and such is not going to advance one in this area
it may cultivate some good karma (or bad, if your religion practices things like usury)
but the shit's just not really spiritual cultivation

>>40528907
the problem is that modern christianity is but a pharasitical subversion-rewrite that makes a central component of the idea that one cannot have spiritual powers unless god himself fucks his mother and makes him jesus
negating the entire idea of cultivating oneself to achieve such things,
making it a core concept that its impossible for normal people to achieve,
introducing the concept that its evil to even try
thus it is that the pharisees did to the fledgling religion, what the Stork did to the Marching Band in the Animal House parade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1v0jB3OswM

>>40529999
wow what a creative comeback, you should get paid for writing them
but alas you are inexperienced and know nothing of what you speak
typical ignoramus tier

>>40527236 (OP)
to finally get around to op,
>Can enough meditation heal your mind permanently?
qualifying word, "enough"
the answer is absolutely yes,
but the question remains, are you willing to put in the work required to get there?

>>40530068
Modern meditation culture is a performative, onanistic larp motivated more by genuine mental deficiency and attentionseeking than actual wisdom. You are lying to yourself as a cope if you think you derive anything other than relaxation from emptying your polluted mind of the thoughts of which you're trying to rid yourself.

>>40530092
>more ignorant blather
one's metabolism accelerates like having just finished a month's worth of a new lifting routine, just by achieving certain average durations of breath while in meditation
it was like 50 sec first time I had it happen, but subsequent immersions saw it happen at high 30s
reminder the first benefit of any good cultivation practice is health
and health boost over a long time equates to longevity
inb4
>well what good is being superlatively healthy and happy and living a long life

>>40530180
>one's metabolism accelerates
cringe larp. Can you stop larping? I don't think you can.

>>40530231
go post somewhere else where you can stay on topic
I dont care if you dont believe my factual personal anecdotes from my own cultivation practices
you are just shitting up this thread

>>40530397
>off-topic
the last cope of the eternally blown the fuck out meditation larper lmfao. Read a book larper

>>40530180
how do you square this with time not being real?

also shouldnt meditation not be needed in the first place- shouldnt you be calm, centred, focused, perceptive, energized etc. naturally?

what is the opposing force? (to having the benefits of meditation without meditation)
>muh habit
I mean a serious answer...

what's your view on animals - what are they wrt meditation.

>OP wants to stop meditating someday

>>40527236 (OP)
depends what you are looking for i used to try and get a clear mind bur there was always a song stuck on my head or a speech or noise when i finally did it it was good but then i thought what if instead of peace i just think of good stuff and happiness and instead of trying to calm my mind i imagined just beautiful stuff and happy thoughts like winning a prize getting praised hugging a loved one whatever makes you happy. when i got better i could feel a rush of joy almost like taking drugs couldn't believe i could bring myself that joy with only my mind

Yes, this is what Jesus and Dr. Joe Dispenza keep telling everyone

>claims christianity and turning yourself over to christ is the only way to heal your mind
>exhibits very mentally ill posting patterns

>>40531079
>how do you square this with time not being real?
when the great stillness and the spiritual light of samahdi manifest, there isnt any perception that time passes while in these states
>also shouldnt meditation not be needed in the first place- shouldnt you be calm, centred, focused, perceptive, energized etc. naturally?
the body isnt just naturally going to attain enlightenment
techniques must be employed
it is easiest to accomplish when taught properly and began at the onset of puberty, where the mind hasnt really been defiled, as it were
sort of a side note about your parents needing to be properly educated in these things in order for one to be so lucky as to try at that time
anyway, it just makes the process much more complex when one has to conquer his own habits that have developed over the years
calm, centred, focused, perceptive, energized, are as much outcomes as they are intents
>what is the opposing force? (to having the benefits of meditation without meditation)
well, the conscious and subconscious operate at different rates, and apparently there are simply energy remainders that happen
the ruminating mind is a blowoff valve for these minor inefficiencies
animals randomly wag their tail for their blowoff valve and dont have a ruminating mind
keeping the awareness present, focused, fixed, mostly eliminates this energy remainder
but habit-conditioning is what brings it to full bear into a powerful tool that begins to crack the door on what humans are really capable of
meditation is a habit of awareness
so by conditioning this thoroughly, the habit energy of keeping the awareness is fortified
pedal, coast, pedal, coast with breathwork until the awareness habit is very well conditioned
>>muh habit
>I mean a serious answer...
yes, this is a serious answer, because it is relevant to the state byproduct of generally having a calm, clear mind that is pretty much entirely free of randomly arising thought

>>40531079
>I mean a serious answer...
this especially becomes relevant once the work of refining the breath has been accomplished to a high degree
given that the energy remainders are rather fueled by sense activity, it becomes a result that by eliminating sense activity during meditation, there is less potential that forms which seeks the outlet of random thought as an internal energy balancing mechanism
combined with the habit energy of conditioning this training, the habit energy of paying attention is strengthened
when the senses sense, they consume energy vis a vis arising neurological potentials
so by proxy, by not generating the neurological potential, less energy is consumed
this energy accumulates in time
and stays because it is conditioned to stay
the energy fuels the ability to take longer and longer breaths,
upon which more and more quiescence occurs
until eventually this weirdly energetically potent stillness arises, everything becomes quiet, all senses not sensing at all
when this level of stillness continues to arise, eventually a brilliant spark arises from it
it is a very high efficiency state, like having a sparkly glowy energy bath at the end of the day
to make it arise with such regularity requires hardcore conditioning,
otherwise its arising is few and far between
its great once it arises every day, it lasts only one moment
the instant you lose focus or a random thought arises, its gone
this is that stage where time does not pass
20 min feels no different than 2 hours
so you cultivate the awareness to such a degree that these other fantastic things begin to arise
but that's just stepping through the door

>>40531079
>what's your view on animals - what are they wrt meditation.
forgot this one
while animals can remain fixed intently on something for a very long time,
I think because their blowoff valve mechanism is in the tail as opposed to something a little more controllable like the ruminating mind, its kinda technically not possible for an animal to meditate
their natural resting state is perhaps a little closer to meditation than a human's naturally is,
but as a human one can make energetic advancements that animals simply cannot
its one reason being a human is so special

>>40531079
>how do you square this with time not being real?
to answer this a little more thoroughly,
time, being a part of spacetime, applies to the physical world
it doesnt apply to awareness, which has no timeful component, which is why everything's happening right now, always, from the perspective of awareness
time's real enough, it just doesnt apply to your awareness

>>40530020
>>40530042
>Buddhist dogma
Like a Christian that thinks God can only ever mean their sky daddy Jesus conception.

>>40533138
this is merely you displaying your inexperienced newfag status

>>40533138
since you didnt remember from last time,
there's stillness meditation, yin;
there's active meditation, yang
any balanced cultivation regimen will have at least 50% of the former
minimum
stillness is pretty much just one way, whether you like it or not
the yang side is where there's different things to be cultivated

>>40534241
>>40534298
>more blind attacks from dogmatists
Meditation is deliberate focus of awareness.
There are many ways to meditate, for many reasons.
Don't listen to people that say only one way, for only one reason.
They are exactly like someone saying you can only pray to Christ, and you can only say the Lord's Prayer.

>>40534308
>I CAN DO IT ANY WAY I WANT ITS JUST AS GOOD

>>40527236 (OP)
If it's enough of the right kind / quality of meditation yes.

>>40534308
I think it's also always repeating, e.g. made habit, made embodied even. One-off attenuation of a specific kind of awareness is not yet meditation.

>>40527236 (OP)
I think it might be able to maybe

>>40535932
>I think it's also always repeating, e.g. made habit, made embodied even. One-off attenuation of a specific kind of awareness is not yet meditation
good point, except an apparent misuse of the word attenuation
>at·ten·u·ate
>1. reduce the force, effect, or value of
when its a fact that mentation consumes the very same source energy that awareness borne phenomena utilize, it is strictly an either/or type situation
if you think, contemplate, or let your mind wander, you are necessarily precluding the awareness borne phenomena
if quiescence is not well habituated, then there winds up being very long periods of time in between these arising phenomena
and should they arise, they get destroyed quickly by random thoughts and the states cannot exist for very long
at this stage, there is no possibility for them to arise again in a given session, you get one shot at it
but once the work is put in and one can stay calm, focused, and prevent any randomly arising thoughts,
it becomes possible to learn how the spiritual light arises,
to hold it properly when it arises so that it may stay a while,
to eventually detect the precursors of these mental perturbations as they approach the threshold of energy whereby they become a problem via the generation of a random thought,
and prevent them from gaining enough energy/momentum to leave the midbrain area, rise up, and pop off a random thought
some have difficulty contemplating these things as I have told them,
whether they have not been taught well, studied well, or practiced well, many have attachments to their whims of how things should be
being part of the quantum mechanical experiment, one's perspective interacts with reality, potentially in ways that preclude the good stuff altogether
but those who follow and understand these words have a shot at fully realizing the value being provided here
only if one puts in the work, of course

>>40536570
I wasn't sure what the dictionary says about it at the time of writing, but it sounds about right to me. In the Buddhist sense, "focusing" the mind is done by restraining from narrowing it in specific ways. It's not forceful, it's in the direction of softer, more gentle, less forceful.
Even the "refraining from", it's not really effective yet when it's done forcefully. (Though it can be one of the precursors to real meditation, like forcing oneself to not watch TV or get drunk.)

You're also talking about making the breath more subtle, I think "attentuating" was pretty good given the context.

*refraining from, not "restraining from".
I mean sense restraint / refraining from reactive engagement with sense objects.

>>40536599
>In the Buddhist sense, "focusing" the mind is done by restraining from narrowing it in specific ways. It's not forceful, it's in the direction of softer, more gentle, less forceful.
checked essence of dhyana
its surprising how much energy the senses consume
but without the change of baseline, one can never tell this for sure

>>40527236 (OP)
It can help you see mind more clearly(allow for more precise shadow work), but ideally it will get "you" to realize you are not mind, which is the most healing realization of all

>>40528632
I think this is a misinterpretation of the beginner guidance which is to empty your mind. Simply because it is easier to focus on nothing, shutting everything out, than it is to focus on one train of thought without getting distracted. Focus must be constructed and understood before more advanced meditation can be accomplished, and emptying the mind can be a good practice for this.

>>40527367
>order
Bible contradiction map/visualizer:
>https://web.archive.org/web/20180731022220/http://bibviz.com/
Megathread the jannies deleted:
>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38201607/#q38201607

nothing can do anything permanently, permanence is a delusion

>>40539005
nothing can begin or end anything, impermanence is an illusion.

>>40527236 (OP)
It also heals physical wounds

>>40536760
>the beginner guidance which is to empty your mind
That isnt beginner guidance. That is beginner guidance OF ONE SCHOOL OF THOUGHT. A school that has a specific goal that not all meditation systems agree upon, and which uses a process not all meditation systems use.

There are meditation systems and goals that do not recommend, start with, or ever need to "focus on nothing".
You have been tricked by religious zealots much like so many in the West have been tricked to immediately associate "god" with Christian models.

>>40527236 (OP)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

for me it has helped, but i have not been consistent with it. and i haven't done it in years. without all the religious back and forth arguing, it's simply sitting still and using your willpower to stop your thoughts. basically go blank while still being aware that you're causing yourself to go blank. not like zoning out in front of the boring scene of a doctor's waiting room. but seriously clearing your mind. there's value in that, and it is harder than it sounds, if you have an overly chatty or cluttered mind.

>>40539762
>THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER WAYS
>I'M NOT GONNA MENTION THEM, THEIR NAMES, THEIR AIMS, THEIR BENEFITS, AND I DEFINITELY WONT MENTION ANY OF THEIR DRAWBACKS
>YOU CAN JUST DO THIS HOWEVER YOU WANT AND ITS ALL JUST AS GOOD, OKAY?
>PLEASE BELIEVE ME

>>40536760
that kid is so misguided he literally believes spiritual advancement can be accomplished by thinking real hard about something
there's no point in mentioning any basics, because in his mind all paths are equally valid and produce just as good results
you can start anywhere you want, practice as much or a little as you want, daydream as much as you want, and make the same spiritual gains.
its pretty sad to watch

>>40539821
Kek

how do i meditate plz tell me

>>40544303
>go into nature
>sit cross legged
>put your hands together with the hand sign that feels the best for you
>think no thoughts, clear your mind and keep it that way
>keep going until you feel your spirit start to come alive

>>40544303
You just do it, Buddy

>>40544303
you work on breath & awareness
the easiest way to figure out how to breathe for meditation is to hear your breath loudly and clearly
the simplest way to do that is to draw a warm bath, lay back, and let the water against your eardrums
then figure out how to breathe completely silently
once you have that figured out, breathe like that while sitting for meditation
its all in the gut and not in the nose or anywhere air touches
most dont realize how much they sniff at the air as a normal matter of breathing
dont breathe like that for meditation
then just return to this training immediately whenever you catch yourself falter
quieting the senses means they arent using all that energy to pass information
you build a little bit with each session, eventually if you dont screw it up it gets to be non trivial
this built up energy helps you take longer breaths
quieter sessions
awareness trained

>>40527236 (OP)
Say in your mind >Heal
Now slowly embrace that energy you are feeling,it can go through your whole body just dont forget that the energy is real.

>>40544303
Deliberately focus your awareness.
Everything else is variety. Remember - there is not only one way, for only one reason.
Most people on /x/ are dogmatic about meditation, and think in very strict and rigid and immovable ideas, like how Christians think there is only one way to think about god or how any and all magic is evil and demonic.

>>40545287
>Awareness
New Age cucks are so profound

>>40545287
Christianity learned:
>Heal
>Help
>Helping

You can use things like that by saying them in your head! Only part i'd like too convert you on is by saying Christ is real so you can too experience a quasi-wanted in breather through mind and body.

>>40527236 (OP)
Yes and no. Meditation is a very powerful tool, but at the end of the day its only 20 minutes out of the day. To heal your mind permanently, own needs to reorientate your entire mind and being.

>>40527236 (OP)
I certainly hope so.

>>40539057
Both Permanence and impermanence are both an expression of the one/none. That which is exists beyond duality.

>>40545295
New Agers have their methods and goals, yes. They are retarded with them, but they have them.

Glad you are finally understanding a very simple concept. You are rising above 99% of the idiots on /x/.

>>40545287
you will forever have a glass ceiling to deal with so long as you skip the foundation

>>40545678
>Meditation is a very powerful tool, but at the end of the day its only 20 minutes out of the day. To heal your mind permanently, own needs to reorientate your entire mind and being.
takes much more than 20 minutes per day to make anything resembling advancement to begin with
anyone serious about meditation should be putting in at least 1 hour at the end of the day, and several shorter sessions during the day

>>40547972
Sure. But you have proven my point by having a pref-defined height, and a foundation. A goal, and a method.
and you have assumed everyone has the same goal, the same method. And that is the dogma that no one on /x/ ever wants to see.

Again - for everyone. Please listen.
Meditation is not only one way, for only one thing.
They will say that over and over and pressure and argue for it.
But it simply isnt true.
Deliberate focus of awareness. That is meditation, and it is done for many reasons, in many ways.
Just look at the post above. Now it's an argument over exactly how many minutes a day you need to do.
But for what? And doing what? They think you should already know, because they think there is only one way.
That is why I say they are like Christians when they talk of God, and expect you to also be talking about one conception.

meditation doesn't do shit its more of a mental relief for people to do, its absolute bullshit id rather farcry heal myself

>>40548087
>Now it's an argument over exactly how many minutes a day you need to do
this is you laying bare your shitty position whereby you have to embellish arguments and exaggerate the claims that you're arguing against
it is simply a fact that putting in a bare bottom next to nothing amount of time on this is pretty much a guarantee to get no results whatsoever
irony that you agree with me more than you think you do
except for that one main prime part of meditation that you're too lazy to do and dont think you really have to do
because you can just do other things and call them congruent in your mind
this is just you trying to avoid real meditation work by claiming the most important part is trivial and can take any form
unfortunately you are arguing that so long as you're focused on something, that's meditation (its not)
as long as you're focused on SOMETHING, that's all that matters, it doesnt matter what else you're actually doing (it does)
if you listened instead of bitched, you'd note the similarities in our positions rather than complaining about things you dont appear to understand
then here we see you keep having to interject christian framed scenarios to try and stretch really hard to make a point
christianity was subverted by the pharisees to purposefully prevent its believers from being able to attain any spiritual advancement
all that's outsourced and you not only dont need to put in that work, you shouldnt put in that work, per the vast majority of pastors out there
it winds up being that your positions can be rejected on their christian-ness themselves since its devoid of any real spiritual practices aside from feeding the egregore you worship with alms
you still have not put together a coherent argument aside from
>THERE'S NOT JUST ONE WAY TO DO THINGS
there's a million ways to do yang,
but the number of ways to do yin is rather thin
just facts my guy

>>40548136
>meditation doesn't do shit its more of a mental relief for people to do, its absolute bullshit id rather farcry heal myself
I felt this way when I was too young to post here, too
but the form of the boards was much older back then, irc and shit
real experiences can quickly change your mind, though
to see
to bleed
cannot be taught

>>40548228
>tldr
I haven't stayed any position other than what meditation means, and how others try to limit such by thinking it is only for one thing, and only done one way.
I don't know why it bothers you so much to hear that what you do isn't the way the truth and the light and any and all others go to hell. But that is exactly how you are acting.
And it is why I give my warning to /x/.

>>40548300
>gets btfo, b-b-but all I'm doing is saying what meditation means
lol keep dancing about and denying you're acting like you are, the readers can read it, you're not really hiding anything
run along now, there's no need for you to post more of your personal whim-views for the reader

>>40548315
No. I am not hiding anything. I have been open and consistent in my point.
Meditation does not mean only one way, for only one goal.
Many many will try to convince others of that. Use our terms. Use our method. Everything else
is wrong.
And you are showing just how mad you get when that is challenged.

>>40548559
>Everything else is wrong.
ohm's law is pretty straightforward
lower resistance and amplitude rises automatically
I explained basic facts about meditation that you're really fighting to deny for some retarded reason
good stillness + a good mixture of yang practices will produce the most potent result
the deeper the stillness achieved, the more effective absorption of the endeavors that results
objecting to this is just being ignorant, for these are basic facts about meditative and spiritual endeavors
now stop trying to say I said there's only one way to do things, because I have clearly said there's a million ways to do things
they just need to be underpinned with copious amounts of stillness in order for maximal amplitudes to result
that's not saying this only needs to be done one way,
that's saying one's practice needs to be balanced, and ohm's law is unequivocal here no matter how much you would like to protest about it
I've corrected you enough on this topic already
being averse to doing stillness work is being ignorant to the process
its a pain, and you get bored with it, so you skip it telling yourself its not needed
but you do your cultivation a disservice with this view
you would be better off trying to curry more favor with your egregore

>>40548057
I agree, I got the most benefits from doing 1 hour. But regardless of the amount of time mediating, it only makes up a small portion of the day. Meditation is incredibly constructive, but more is needed to permanently heal your mind

>>40545372
This only reallly.

>>40532727
This man knows what's up

>>40544303
Check out bhante vimalaramsy