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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:56:41 AM No.40533860
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Does the atman really exist? I’ve been thinking very existentially and I wish I could come up with a clear answer. I’ve been a Buddhist for a while now but Hinduism appeals to me sometimes because of atman.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:04:50 AM No.40533894
>>40533860 (OP)
Forgot to add: Jainism might be a good balance in terms of how the soul is viewed as individual but not belonging to a supreme being
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:20:05 AM No.40533957
>>40533860 (OP)
The story of Kali and Shiva essentially is the pinnacle of nonduality. Only individuals high in innate individualism are able to comprehend it
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:42:38 AM No.40534354
>>40533860 (OP)
hindooism
boodhism

just... just find out for yourself man!
know thyself (in action, in silence, in the gap between action and silence)
Jake !NzNuBHDyMA
6/15/2025, 7:50:25 AM No.40534389
>>40533860 (OP)
There's no such thing as mythology, so yes, she's real, and dangerous. Do not follow her, she is a false God.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:50:28 AM No.40534390
>>40533860 (OP)
>I’ve been a Buddhist for a while now but Hinduism appeals to me sometimes because of atman.
Not an advocate of either, but that is literally what Advaita Vedanta is. Buddhism, but now with eternal self and bonus Vedic citations.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:24:56 AM No.40534525
>>40533860 (OP)
>I’ve been a Buddhist for a while now but Hinduism appeals to me sometimes because of atman
Why? Ultimately, both metaphysics describe the same absolute: a metaphysical Zero, when apophatic theology is taken to its extreme. Most Westerners don't understand this, but in Hindu metaphysics (Advaita Vedanta), the atman is NOT the jivatman, and it is the jivatman that the overwhelming majority of people think of when they conceptualize the “self”. The atman is the Brahman, and this Brahman is more precisely the Nirguna Brahman, the absolute “beyond all attributes”, from which no positivity can be asserted: an ontological and conceptual emptiness, very similar to Sunyata. The divine and personal self, positive, determined and characterized, is Saguna Brahman or Ishvara: and it is ultimately unreal. I find Buddhism finer, in that it pushes apophaticism to the limit, whereas Hinduism tends to retain residues of onto-theology. But both are dharmic and describe the same thing at a high level (Daoism too btw). For an interesting synthesis of the two, I recommend “Nonduality: In Buddhism and Beyond” by Zen master David R. Loy. In the end, truth transcends schools, and all the radii of the circle lead to the center. Take care friend. :)
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6/15/2025, 11:48:40 AM No.40535234
>>40533860 (OP)
I don't know if a soul is real. A spirit definitely exists, maybe several. Materially I think the real you is your brain stem using the rest of your body as a meat mech.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 11:50:39 AM No.40535239
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>the atman is NOT the jivatman
OH? So jivatman is not brahman? Is not atman? Sounds a lot like the eternal, categorical divide in Dvaita.