why are most satanists egocentric edgelords when actual luciferianism would ironically rather christ like in nature just inverted or critically flawed? Hell the antichrist probably thinks he's doing the right thing and would probably come across as christ like to the average person

Lucifer seems more akin to Prometheus than the least charitable hedonistic interpretations of Baal or Moloch. Someone who wants to match the divinity of god through grandiose works yet can't. Someone in opposition to creation itself who seeks to create heaven on earth yet never can. A kind of pure impurity.

The dark gothic aesthetic doesn't match either. He's the morningstar and lightbriger and associated with the sky.

Because people are

Because satanists are jewish.

satanists are not people, and jews aren't human.

They rape kids, and this country deserves destruction for protecting them. Starting with the judicial and legal systems.

>>40541212 (OP)
Well… They’re larping. It’s just edgy atheism.

>>40541214
it's just like if someone harnessed that luciferian spirit for something other than themselves and their base desires it would completely overpower anything christcucks or secularists ever could.

Like if you took the concept of rejecting conformist slave morality and looked beyond yourself without sacrificing the ego you could do anything you wanted

Instead they only look inwards and never do anything other than satiate their own material desires.

I mean where is the actual passion? Love unshackled by morality or the material? Where is the actual rebellion against the cosmos? Instead it's just petty superficial sacrilege

>>40541212 (OP)
None of what you said is true, it isn't in the Bible and it isn't any teaching of any legitimate denomination. The things you are saying were made up by spiritualist retards in the 20th century. Lucifer and Satan are the same guy. Someone will try to disagree with me, someone who isn't a Christian, but I will remind you that these are the rules of the religion the figure originates from and how he has been seen by everyone who follows it, and people in general, for the last 2000 years besides relatively recently. You idiots just make shit up for yourselves. The Prometheus connection is something invented wholecloth by ignoramuses who don't understand the character of Satan and what he was trying to do in Genesis because they don't understand Christian theology and filter everything in the world through the lense of resentment towards masculine authority figures, which they view as inherently unjust due to their own personal experiences or stubbornness. Nothing you say in that post has anything to do with the actual Lucifer, who is basically just a spastic failson and a total asshole.

>>40541212 (OP)
Lucifer commits the same sins as us ultimately. He is like our sin father. If we can forgive him we can forgive ourselves. The Devil will be the last to enter the gates of heaven.

>>40541298
All those things were made up by lizard people to control people. Christ is with you. You can just feel him and know. Use whatever traditions and artistic works you want to introspect and meditate about what he would do or how his organizations would work.

>>40541298
okay christcuck. Even in a thread mocking satanists you faggots can't help but chimp out over anything and everything.

>>40541303
Universalism is not correct, the Devil does not get the same grace humanity does. Satan doesn't want to be forgiven anyway. He isn't sorry, he's too proud for that.

>>40541310
It'll just take a few eternities

This place cleanses you, I think. Purified by water, fire, earth, air, darkness, and light. Some things just take a little longer.

>>40541306
Please shut up
>>40541308
Sorry I'm not going to tolerate your larp. You people have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, you're just playing pretend. I'll engage with the op here to throw you a bone, both Satanists and Luciferians act like Satan in different ways. Both are excessively proud and are certain they're doing the rational thing, acting purely in what they erroneously believe to be their self interest, which they consider the highest virtue. They are totally delusional and don't know what they don't know. This is also how Satan behaves. Whether they genuinely believe in him or not, they are little reflections of him in the same way Christians attempt to reflect Christ.

>>40541298
I've read guenon too. Nobody cares fag

>>40541324
You're coping and you know it's true. At best the early churches had good intentions and were corrupted over time. You probably don't even look into the etymology of the original words or context. You just have a fanfiction you love.

>>40541336
I care you idiot, that's why I'm bothering to say it.
>>40541342
I guarantee you I know more about this than you do, so I don't actually care what your opinions are. I immediately understand that you're incorrect just by reading what you post. I told you to shut up because I think your aimless woo woo gibberish is extremely annoying and I don't want you replying to me because I don't care what you have to say. Please shut up.

>>40541365
I guarantee you have a lot to learn and memorize and already have a loaded interpretation of what it all means even if you know more which you may or may not

>>40541324
"tolerate"? This is a fucking 4chan thread. You aren't fighting some fucking injustice. I've noticed you fuckers all follow the same rote pattern too it's always a schizo mix of fringe exoteric and esoteric apologetics and accusations of motive with your own contemporary secular biases mixed in all while demanding the conversation revolve around your precepts/framing.

I can smell the adult convert on you. You accuse satanists of being specious/capricious but I can tell you converted through the internet from your particular kind of autism.

>>40541369
Shut the fuck up you navel gazing imbecile
>>40541370
You are nothing and nobody I can say whatever I want and have no responsibility to justify myself to you. I see people being incorrect, I do not have to tolerate them being incorrect. I can point out that they're stupid and you can't do anything to stop it. Faggot

>>40541380
Then let me get the last word and bask in your ill-informed self-righteousness jeez

>>40541380
You haven't even Dunning-Kruger'd yet that's how little you know about any of this. You don't even make arguments; you just have mental breakdowns and insult people. You're literally frothing with rage. So Christlike.

You're so stupid you're going to go to hell by accident

>>40541382
Again, I am basically certain that I know much more about this than you and I can tell just by the things you post. You are someone who vastly overestimates the quantity and quality of information you've accumulated. Do not reply to me, I will not care.

>>40541392
I won

>>40541386
You don't even know what the Dunning-Kruger effect is you just say things you've heard and read places. You are actually a very good example of it.

>>40541398
You are frothing with rage and delusions

>>40541397
Sure. bye bye anon limp away

>>40541401
What Christianity or Bible version do you study, anon?

>>40541399
Trying too hard

>>40541403
What Christianity or Bible version do you read anon? Who are your lizard people?

>>40541402
I don't care what you think about anything you fucking moron stop trying to prove yourself to me. You have nothing I want or care about

>>40541406
Can you talk about and defend a single thing or just insult? Like even people that agree with you probably think you're a seething retard bound for hell

>>40541407
Anon I do not have to justify myself to you. You aren't entitled to anything here. You are nobody

>>40541370
>you fuckers all follow the same rote pattern too it's always a schizo mix of fringe exoteric and esoteric apologetics and accusations of motive with your own contemporary secular biases mixed in all while demanding the conversation revolve around your precepts/framing.
Yes I'll take "what are online propaganda agents" for $200 please.

>no Jesus wants me to believe things pedophiles wrote in English after mistranslating and reinterpreting this book five times

>>40541408
You are putting in so much effort posting for someone with nothing to prove. Seems like you have no proof. Watch you respond again about how little you care.

>>40541380
yeah i was right. For the inexperienced christcucks like to do this bullshit rhetorical trick where they try and reframe religious or far too often non christian topics around the veracity of their faith as a singular authoritative source while counting on the ignorance of their opponent to irrelevant theological minutiae or being browbeaten with personal character attacks of supposed malfeasance/avoidance even when they themselves derailed the thread or straight up reject the metaphysical topic being discussed out of their own obnoxious ignorance/intolerance.

It's a dishonest rhetorical strategy their desert predecessors would be proud of.

>>40541411
You haven't asked me to prove anything you keep saying stupid pothead boomer shit about translations that I don't care about. Because it's not something anyone in the Church actually cares about, because you don't know what you're talking about. This is something you heard from idiots on the internet and assumed was true because you're a contrarian who thinks that having counterfactuals at hand to refute prevalent ideologies bestows you with intelligence, but it doesn't. Everyone on the entire planet has access to the exact same information you do and could learn all of the retarded bullshit you believe to feel special and smart in like an hour and a half on YouTube. I am not engaging with you because you are obviously a moron. I am harassing you because I like to tease self aggrandizing guru retards on 4chan for fun because I know you have a big ego and it's funny to tell you that you're stupid and don't matter

>>40541430
Anon I asked you what Bible or Christianity you follow several times now? C'mon.

>>40541414
>The thing with Christians is they argue from the perspective of Christianity, instead of assuming the things I've made up about Christianity are true for no reason besides that I want them to
woooooooow reeeeeeally that's craaaaaaaazy

Let me guess... You never read the Bible and are defending it, and can't even name different versions of the Bible or know what version the stories you believe comes from.

>>40541435
What the fuck is Christianity? Cause they all believe different shit except that there was a Christ. There are Christians that do not believe Christ was God. Also what Christianity or Bible do you follow? Do you have any education in this topic literally at all besides you know the word Christ?

>>40541434
Kek he won't answer but he will type 3 more paragraphs.

>>40541434
I don't care about you and feel no need to engage you in any other context besides mockery. There is no combination of words that exist within your thick skull that you could translate into text on a screen that I would take interest in and respond to in good faith. This is because of who you are, and you cannot change this in the short time span of a conversation on 4chan.

>>40541436
>>40541439
You just aren't as smart as you think you are

>>40541441
Anon! Literally just say what Bible or Christianity you believe! Holy wow! You actually have schizophrenia or are retarded. I'm sorry. I'm bullying a mentally ill person at this point I realize but cannot in all good consciousness let other unintelligent people read your words and think their might be any merit to it. I hope you do well in life and learn from this though.

>>40541444
Who cares about smart, you are literally ill-informed and trapped in a psychological prison. We deep down want you to break free. Christ does too ironically.

>>40541430
i will never understand why christcucks come here unless they're election tourists who were ghettoized from twitter or reddit. Some of them are cognizant of this discrepency and will ramble some bullshit about Jesus and Prostitutes/Vagrants or openly gloat about how they make this place worse. Some are just anons who
converted in adulthood and are too weak willed to actually leave this place or their faith is just a performative larp and they're just in it for the social politics hence the sterile apologetics and angry bitterness they excude.

When a certain website went down a few months ago it became clear that accusations of bias/corruption amongst certain people were not unfounded.

>>40541446
I don't want to idiot. Take a hint. I don't want to have a debate with you, I've already had this debate with a thousand other (You's) and it's extremely tedious. You are nothing and nobody to me. I genuinely believe you are a stupid person with nothing of value to say.
>>40541449
And this is why. You are such a fucking faggot holy shit

>>40541450
I come here to talk about my religion and mock you. Dumbass

>>40541455
What Christianity or Bible anon?

>>40541463
Ok since apparently you are a mentally challenged manchild I will lay it out for you unambiguously; I will not debate you. I don't care what your opinions are. Just reading the things you believe, I can tell you are not informed on this but really believe you are, which is extremely annoying. I am jaded from years of debating idiots who think they're geniuses but don't even know basic catechism. I can tell you are stupid. You talk like a moron. I have spoken to a thousand other morons like you, and it takes hours and hours to go through everything. I'm not going to do that.

Jeez why doesn't anon want to go over the inarguable history and authenticity of whatever school be based his knowledge on, if any?

>>40541455
You wanna talk tedious?

"I asked a thousand people to prove
a negative and declared victory in absentia looks like i win again hahhaa"

god you fuckers are all the same. I don't need to give you a essay on why aquinas is wrong because I don't accept your precepts to begin with nor is that even what the topic was originally about before you got triggered by the subject matter which had absolutely nothing to do with Lucifer from a canonical christian perspective

Get fucked christfag

>>40541470
Okay that's cool. I'm like pretty sure acting like this is against your codes but not entirely sure at the moment. So you believe that the catholic Pope John Paul the Second wrote a summary of everything to know about God and base your beliefs and opinions around that.

>>40541478
Oh wait is was commissioned by him and written by cardinals and mostly Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) it seems.

>>40541473
Great I don't accept your precepts either you solipsistic imbecile it's wonderful that you understand that concept but unsurprising that you can't intuit that the same could be true of other people besides yourself. You narcissistic retard

>>40541478
>I'm pretty sure acting like this is against your codes
Fuck I hate you so much you are so confidently stupid

>>40541489
Tossing the first stone in a mirror house

>>40541478
ime the faith of these people is very shallow. They absolutey "believe" but it's more of a psuedo sociopolitical thing and very materialistic/contemporary despite their fundamentalism. It's why they're so anti life, openly hateful (and not just against that which contradicts their faith) and why they think an absence of
godjesus is antinatalist nihilism because barring the pallative of their chosen erogore that's what they are hence why a lot of them are apocalyptic millenearians

They're for a lack of a better word soulless. When you let the hell cognito hazard take over your body it ironically enough makes you lose a piece of your soul because ascetism born out of fear/guilt/shame warps a person

>>40541492
You have no idea how generic you are

>>40541493
I think troubled people look for comforts but can't escape the culture of their time ultimately, which is perhaps a agreeable way of phrasing that. I think they're normal. We both probably fall into similar things from time to time or would give the same life.

>>40541496
I don't really care how generic I am or not. You're not even arguing, you're literally just trying to make me feel bad, and trying to pick at any angle you can for a weakness. Does catechism teach that?

>>40541501
I have no obligation to tolerate you. You're my enemy. We don't play by the same rules, we both understand that. You're deceptive and manipulative, I am forthcoming. I have been this entire time. I don't owe you anything. Don't you understand? Are you pretending not to?

>>40541523
It's insane how wrong you got Christ's message. You even used the baby guide for kids and still got it wrong.

Imagine riding a Christian bicycle with training wheels straight into hell

>>40541528
You think much too highly of yourself

I noticed that Christians act Satanic as if they're all possessed. This division they make only serves to perpetuate the pointless violence these entities feed off of. Luciferianism seems like just doing yoga and being a crypto hippie.

>>40541538
Do you think highly of yourself?
>>40541542
Yeah it's weird. A few bad apples spoil the bunch I think, and then everyone good leaves.

>>40541549
No. Of course not. I'm a sinner.

>>40541542
Motion is Lotion. Frequency Heals.

>>40541556
Aren't we all.

>>40541242
> rebellion against the cosmos?
Thats would be malal.
And you are beyond naive if you think lucifer is remotely nice or good.

>>40541298
No.
Lucifer is venus or saturn depending on description Satan is saturn

>>40541450
>holier than thou
Don’t pretend that you aren’t touristo yourself.
>christcuck
Outs you as redditor type.

(hug [highly technical])