The biggest critique of NDEs is that people see entities from their cultural/religious beliefs. Christians see Christ, and Hindus see Hindu gods. What does this mean?

>NDEs are very detailed hallucinations of an oxygen-deprived brain
>Perennialism, or the idea that there is some truth in all religions, is true
>God or an angel who is your guide in death takes on a form that is most comforting to you

Which do you think it is? Or is there another explanation?

>>40541711 (OP)
This will inevitably make some retards angry but only the Christian ones are reality and the rest are demons making a lifetime of deception come to fruition with one final nudge into oblivion. Here I am, it's me! Vishnu! Definitely Vishnu and not some demon wearing a skinsuit to drag you to hell! I hear or read about NDE's where the person calls out to Allah while falling into outer darkness, and nothing happens or they're mocked by demons. If they call out to Christ, they're saved and given their life back. Many people who weren't Christian, and in fact were actively anti-christian prior to their NDE were converted by one.

>>40541722
>Here I am, it's me! christ! Definitely christ and not some demon wearing a skinsuit to drag you to hell!

>>40541711 (OP)
Names, images, and idols are only means to the end of communion with Source.

Christ is the Savior, but he has many flocks and forms.

>>40541711 (OP)
A shit-ton of personal unverified gnosis, incoming! Fairly warned be thee, says I:

So, as a person who has had both NDE and OBEs unrelated to health traumas, I have come to the belief that they're essentially the same experience. What some people call astral projection is what people are experiencing during NDEs. I can attest that what you experience during AP is heavily formatted by your expectations. Sometimes the astral plane seems almost a 1 to 1 copy of real life down to scarily exacting detail. And sometimes it's warped into unknowable forms and shapes fit for a psychedelic fever dream. In my exploration of the AP phenomenon, I've discovered more and more that by letting go of expectations, you change the nature of the experience.

Now, whether AP is some arcane state of consciousness that is different from that of say sleep, or prosaic "wakefulness", or whether AP is literally traversing a spiritual plane as a disembodied consciousness, I really can't say. What I can say is I've gotten information from people's "astral form" that I was able to verify with them while in prosaic wakefulness. I have seen places I did not physically exist in at the moment. I've even "seen" through my eyelids when they were closed! These phenomena are real, but I don't claim to understand their underlying nature. SOMETHING is happening, which is just a goddamned useful thing to say, isn't it? lol.

(Sorry for being long winded, but this thought will be completed in a follow up post)

>>40541785

(thought finished)

My belief is that when we AP/NDE/OBE, we're experiencing what physicists call "the bulk". The 3D chemical universe we inhabit is essentially a hologram. A tricksy thing about holograms is that, unlike pixel images where only a single bit of color data is stored in any given cell which can only make a picture, then, when ALL local cells' data are visible, each constituent part of a hologram's substrate contains the TOTAL data of the image it projects! I believe AP is us accessing the total data of the universe stored within us, as constituent components of the universe. It's an idea that parallels what more cutting edge physicists call non-locality.

Said more concisely, I don't think any one religion is "right". I don't think there's an afterlife in the standard sense. I think what we call consciousness is a localized phenomenon that is being projected from the bulk, like ALL of the universe's other phenomenon. The apparent "solidity" of matter here in this projection is illusory. In the bulk...in the Astral plane, ideas have a similar sort of "solidity", which is why people experience that place according to their biases. The christian sees his Jesus. The Hindu sees his Vishnu. Because the ideas he's cultivated are made manifest there the way bosons and electromagnetism manifests solidity here in the cosm that is projected from the bulk.

I actually don't think these differences invalidate the idea of NDEs at all, you see! It's not that the religions matter, it's that the EXPECTATION of the practitioner can be made manifest in a place where ideas have weight and force.

>>40541722
"I'm right, everyone else is wrong. Not just wrong...EBIL!!!!"

Okay child...

There are NDEs where Christians don't see Jesus, and there are NDEs where non-Christians see Jesus and convert.

The explanation is that the universe (Source, Absoulte, Fundamental Consciousness, God, whatever you like to call it) will show you something from which you will benefit. If it will help a Christian to see a Christ figure in their NDE, they will. If, on the other hand, it would benefit the person more to see dead loved ones, or a total stranger, that's what they'll be shown.

>>40541711 (OP)
Does anyone know of a study trying to determine the actual percentage of NDEs where people see the classic religious figures? Because of those I've bothered to read, very few of them do, and the ones that do seem noticeably more fake or likely to just be delirium.

Of the two NDE-ish experiences I've had (Though there's no evidence that I was actually close to death, they were brought on by health issues), the more intense one didn't have any standard religious figures, and the less intense one had references to me being a Buddhist in a past life, though the experience itself wasn't clearly Buddhist.

npcs are always going to attempt to project outward, rather than be neutral or inject inward
if you put 3 christians in a room with jim cavaziel, rabbi yeshua bar-yosef and donny osmond and one of them will walk out of there worshipping jim cavaziel, the other two the technicolor dreamcoat.
its an npc problem. they instinctively try to amalgamate things they observe to be attributable to whatever their specific beliefs, and to define and conceptualize their creator(s) and reduce it down to a nice little box.
i guess alot of people never stop to think that their beliefs are only their beliefs based on their circumstances, if their beliefs would be identical if they were born 100 years or 1000 years earlier or later, or on the other side of the planet, or on another planet even
because if its not also true for all of those people in all those circumstances, then your beliefs are clearly untrue. theyll never get that far tho.

npcs really isnt the right word, but idk what else to call them. if theyre 99.999999% of the population, maybe theyre the humans, and its the .0001% whose the 'other', in which case i know of no word to characterize them, other than maybe Philosopher, but that word has long lost its meaning.

>>40541711 (OP)
>What does this mean?
Perceptions and existences outside of the physical are affected and shaped partially by the observer, especially since you get imperfect input filtered through senses you don't really have without body and which in reality are their closest spiritual equivalent and merely interpreted in a way you'd recognize.

That's also why some people claiming astral projection describe fantastic locale they walk upon and meet various humanoid creatures in, despite the fact all those shapes, the idea of distance etc wouldn't make sense nor point in non-physical reality.

>>40542507
Also in the NDEs I've read, a common aspect seems to be that people get a sense of being filled with huge amounts of knowledge that they don't get to take back with them, and they perceive things in normally-impossible ways like being able to see on all sides at once and other perceptions that are just considered to be indescribable. So it seems like whatever memories people do come back with are a significantly compressed version of the full experience because what actually happens can't fit into a normal human brain.

>>40541722
This proves that Christianity is a false religion based on a brutal lie: that you only have one chance, while living this life, to be rescued from a bad afterlife. While the near-death experience proves that Jesus will save you after death (as will blue eisenhower november, Amitabha Buddha, showing certain symbols and passwords to the archons, etc.)
Also he will give you a special mission to either return to your previous body or reincarnate on earth, you will be persuaded by his overwhelming love and be unable to resist becoming a foetus (or the same dude on a hospital bed) again.
(Hint: Jesus is an incarnation of Vishnu, the avatar for the Jews to teach them the dharma)

>>40541711 (OP)
If the vision contradicts the Bible, it's either brain damage or satan himself giving you something to screw you over.

He has that power:

“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” (2 Corinthians 11:14)

“Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;” (Matthew 4:8)

>>40541711 (OP)
mind without body is only mind
use your body to feed your mind
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ur969TzAmyhq

>>40541711 (OP)
>The biggest critique of NDEs is that people see entities from their cultural/religious beliefs. Christians see Christ, and Hindus see Hindu gods. What does this mean?
I've been lucid dreaming, and I've seen all types of entities from various religions. They are all real, you resonate with a particular group more than others according to the nature of your soul.

>>40541711 (OP)
Archons take on the form of entities from your cultural/religions beliefs to lure you into the soul trap

>>40541722
this+demons in lucid dreams riding your dream only fear Christ not pajeet devas

>>40542507
I have the same question. I'm using the search function on nderf.org but it's inexact since any mention of a name in an account (not just actual appearances in the experience) returns a result. That said, there's 566 accounts mentioning Jesus, 16 mentioning Allah, 10 mentioning Krishna, 30 mentioning Buddha, 52 mentioning aliens.

ex-Catholic meets Vishnu:
>https://search.nderf.org/experience/9591

Muslim meets Jesus, Muhammad & Shiva:
>https://search.nderf.org/experience/33004

man meets 5 greys & a reptilian:
>https://search.nderf.org/experience/9744

an actual, physical praying mantis shows up right after returning from the experience:
>https://search.nderf.org/experience/3817

>>40543786
untrue, many Hindu gods are famous for destroying demons. take your grotesque glow-agency slurs back to /pol/, bye

>>40541711 (OP)
in buddhism it is even stated in the bardo thodol that the visions upon death are simply thought forms, meaning that they are influenced by culture and depending on your belief of it, your brain processes certain information with what is easier for you to grasp even though it is always true that is going thorugh the same process with teh same information.
for example, people that are enlightened don't see any cultural programming but what is actually here, which doesn't change the destination but it definitively changes the perspective onto what is happening,.
If it is easier for say you to understand that you are dying and something is happening to your consciousness with christ saying it, your brain which is conscious and has conscious mechanisms, will do that to you, since it knows you.
and so on and on.
While if you jsut want the plain truth, which is noble, it will give you that, and make you communicate with the actual happening that is death.

>>40543838
Good idea. I narrowed the search down to just 4007 claimed proper NDEs (as opposed to possible/probable NDEs or other types of experience.) and found that there are 392 entries mentioning Jesus, 20 for Buddha, 13 for Allah, 4 for Krishna, 2 for Shiva, and 1 for Vishna. So on the generous interpretation, ignoring that some entries might mention multiple religious figures and some entries might be mentioning the religious figures only to say that what they saw *wasn't* quite like those religious figures, that would an estimated upper bound for the percentage of NDEs involving traditional religious figures (392+20+13+4+2+1)/4007 = about 10%, which I would say is surprisingly low if NDEs are just subconsciously generated hallucinations based on what a person expects to see as they're dying.

And actually a quick look through the NDEs mentioning Jesus very often say things like "I am sure I met Jesus Christ even though he did not tell me his name." and "With me was a divine presence that I immediately associated with Jesus." and "To my right was a being or entity of extremely bright light. It was much larger than I. (Today I would call the being Jesus Christ.)" So it's clear that very often the whatever-it-is isn't *telling* people it's Jesus, but Jesus is who they assume it must've been in retrospect.

>>40541711 (OP)
They're probably hallucinations or just demons trolling people

Objective veridical NDE experiences where the subject sees things while noclipping around as a ghost are enough

>>40542461
That explain why as christian, I saw a buddhist monk...