Hello, i am writing this post at the behest of my friend >>>40543238, he was found unconscious and unresponsive at his home at GMT 1900 yesterday the 16th of june, after being taken to the hospital he was declared brain dead, however briefly before his death he told me to watch out for his post on this forum and said that if his work was not yet done, to finish it for him.
After reading his post and his few responses I can tell he probably made you people confused, amused or at the very least extremely suspicious, he always did have a knack for the theatrical and the dramatic, but I can assure you that I am not a very cryptic person, if there are things I cannot tell you then I will tell you so, and I will attempt to avoid ominous manners of speech.
To begin, him and I belonged to the same society, while I cannot tell you certain details of it, I can tell you its very old, over 5000 years old in fact, many records were lost in time so we ourselves do not know its actual age, some believe the original society that our own is an offshoot of was 10000 years old or more, some past members of our society and its different sects and offshoots have included Sir Isaac Newton, Carl Jung, Richard Feynman, Plato and Albert Einstein.
My friend worked as a researcher in a division related to alchemical studies of the human soul, while I am a part of a division related to golemancy, he passed on much of his research to me before his passing, and from skimming it I believe he may not be dead (or only physically dead in this case), in any case I have taken certain precautions to assure my safety, so ask away, however I cannot assure yours, so I may not answer some questions fully, I will return in about 4 hours to answer your questions

>>40551058 (OP)
>I believe he may not be dead (or only physically dead in this case)
what does this mean? what makes you think he isnt dead
what society do you actually belong to?
why should i believe this isnt a larp?
you mentioned he researched alchemy does that have anything to do with why he died?

>>40551058 (OP)
are you a part of the jew cabal? if so what is your opinion on child sacrifice and all that pedo shit?

Assuming this isnt a larp, im sorry for your loss.
1. What is the great work mention in the last post?
2. what is the key that he mention?
3. is the great work physical (external) or spiritual ( internal)?
4. Why do you secret society types always claim to want to help mankind yet always keep the mean of helping us out of reach and vague to the point of being useless?
5.What is the best thing the average person can do grow spiritually?
6. what happens post death and how much control do we have in our afterlife?
7.What is the biggest event that will happen relatively soon and when will it happen?
8. What is the best thing the average person can do to prepare for it?
9. what is the force the is enslaving mankind?

OP here, I will start answering questions now, I see that the few replies in this post have some very good questions that deserve good answers, I will try to answer them in separate replies as the explanations might get large
>>40551355
>what does this mean? what makes you think he isnt dead
well, this goes back to his research regarding the transmutation of the human soul, he was following some of our older Germanic alchemy division research from Carl Jung when he hit a snag regarding the archetypes, so I shared with him some of my golemancy research and gave him some insights on the creation of golems which ended up culminating in that last post of his, for context, my research deals mostly with the creation and management of golems, however I am aware that some of you may have a misconception on what golems actually are:
Golems are the eidos equivalent of a tulpa, or at least a similar concept, while a Tulpa is created purely by mental imaging first in order to create an artificial mind which is then transplanted into an artificial spiritual body (which is in fact, soulless by definition, as the body is made from either naturally occurring spiritual energy or from the creator's own energy and as such is either fully soulless or contains a fragment of the soul of the person who created it which does not belong to the artificial mind and is only "borrowed"), a golem exists purely in the world of information and ideas, the eidos, I will not go into details on what making a golem actually entails as that is a very well-guarded secret, but I can tell you that it has everything to do with the concept of a "meme" (or a "memetic cognitohazard" as my friend aptly put it, a golem is an ideological automaton, like a computer program that exists in the collective subconscious of a group), from reading his last research notes I believe he may have found a way to transmute his own soul into a sort of golem/tulpa hybrid

>>40551058 (OP)
Do you agree or disagree with the description here (regarding the mind as well as Plato's model of it): https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40534629

To be more direct, do you think you can leave the cave, or do you agree that we are stuck inside it?

>>40551355
>what society do you actually belong to?
well, I can't exactly tell you but it was originally a kabbalistic/mekkubalistic jewish society that originated from an older society that dealt with the first civilizations on earth
>why should i believe this isnt a larp?
you shouldn't, doubting is good for your mind, doubt is what keeps you sharp and lets you be flexible enough to not be stuck in archaic and consevative modes of thinking
>you mentioned he researched alchemy does that have anything to do with why he died?
yes, I believe the death of his physical body happened due to what I think was his final experiment, see >>40552009

>>40551378
>are you a part of the jew cabal?
I guess so? I would not consider our society a "cabal" exactly, as we always tried to stay out of politics unless the politics are involved the occult
>if so what is your opinion on child sacrifice and all that pedo shit?
As for the child sacrifice It was us but in a different sense, we did not actually commit any child sacrifices (at least not since 5000 years ago, so not the Jewish society), most of our occult knowledge is extremely dangerous in the wrong hands and could easily cause many problems for humanity at large, so in the past we began spreading rumours about ourselves in order to scare away anyone who might try to investigate our knowledge, I will expand this further later on, however I can tell you that the "pedo shit" is not us, but another more recent society that started in the late 18th century that we consider to be an enemy of our cause, they were the society that eventually formed the Thule and originated many branches of modern esoteric nazi groups with the help of some traitors that were originally from our own society.

>>40552118
Can you help sort out the lineages and factions a bit more?

Seems like modern elite descend from Romans (and the main families are Black Nobility), but that's a very vague definition. What part of Rome? Patricians, foreign Latifunda owners, priests, imperial families, etc?

Then, the Jews. Seems like the root Jew power stems from Rothschild, who comes from Frankfurt, which is a hotbed for Black Nobility. I'm guessing they gave Rothschild his start, and Rothschild built a cult around him to use as a criminal syndicate, or an intelligence operation in other words. Now, where would Rothschild come from? You could point to Sabbateans of the Ottoman Empire or maybe the Khazarians. Supposedly the Khazarians come from a migration north out of Mesopotamia, somewhere around 500 BC or 500 AD. I can't remember. Either way, that's how you get Jews in Khazaria. But even then, we're talking about Babylonian Jews, which is why many argue they aren't even real Jews in the first place.

You mention the group that eventually led to Nazis. What led to that split, and are they also connected to groups like the WEF and the Fabian Society? Even though they seem opposed on principles, my understanding is that they are not. This also would have been perhaps the primary force behind the British Empire, at least in the 1800s.

>>40551614
>1. What is the great work mention in the last post?
In his post my friend mentioned "A Great Work", which is basically his weirdo cryptic alchemist talk (always hated when he would start talking like that, it was very annoying when he started talking to me like if he was the riddler) for things related to the philosopher's stone and the transmutation of the soul, I am not an alchemy expert so I cannot help you there much, but I can tell you that if you are interested then you should read about the Individuation process. as it does teach you some of the basic tools to begin that journey.
There is also THE Great Work, which encompasses the overarching goal of our society, I will expand on it further on a separate comment after I am done with the rest of the questions

>>40552118
>however I can tell you that the "pedo shit" is not us, but another more recent society that started in the late 18th century that we consider to be an enemy of our cause, they were the society that eventually formed the Thule and originated many branches of modern esoteric nazi groups with the help of some traitors that were originally from our own society.
interesting can you expand on this? is the "late 18th century society" referencing the sabbateanists by chance?

>>40551058 (OP)
He was right in this regard
> there are beings that live without bodies, that think without heads and that exist in-between the souls of man, knowing of them makes you vulnerable to them, because they also exist in the deeper recesses of the mind of every human, but it also makes you resilient to them
What I have to say against it is every other post is referring to a vessel religion which is makes it easy to believe that you are god thus making him unbelievable

>>40551614
>what is the key that he mention?
>Why do you secret society types always claim to want to help mankind yet always keep the mean of helping us out of reach and vague to the point of being useless?
Both of these are related so I will answer them together, he used the word "key" usually when referring to tools or information that is important in order to understand alchemical works, in this case he was on the front lines of one of the most recent occult wars, one that goes against our overarching goals, it is the same society I mentioned as being derived from the Thule in >>40552118, in this case we will have to delve into the goal of our society and to do that I will need to explain our history:
We don’t know when the original society actually started, some say it goes back about 10000 years, back then humans were in the beginnings of civilization, where magick was commonplace, somewhere near either Sumer where nowadays would be Iran or Egypt some shamans and priests gathered to discuss and expand their knowledge, some would travel and gather oral traditions all the way from the far east, the knowledge was mostly transmitted orally within families of highly spiritually sensitive individuals, however even before then there were issues regarding the emergence of chaotic memetic and spiritual entities: (1/2)

>>40551614
>>40552325
There were places where spiritual energy would gather and overflow, places considered sacred, however as civilization grew some glitches in the eidos started appearing, nowadays you could call these demons, eldritch beings, any number of things similar to the beings that could cause madness with just a gaze similar to what was described by H.P. Lovecraft (who was sensitive enough to see past the wall we built), these were minds that existed parasitically in the minds of people, transmitted from person to person in the non-verbal parts of communication, and also in word choices or manners of thinking and in more virulent ideas, they had no bodies, spiritual or otherwise at first, however they eventually built their own bodies out of the spiritual energy in sacred places, our society noticed the vile beings and we created the first golems and the first tulpas, archetypes similar to the ones described by Jung, artificially created to be as virulent and resilient as possible in order to occupy the minds of men and stop the spread of the other beings, this also cut off the average human to most of the divine, a demiurge of sorts, it is there because for the individual that is not prepared, mentally and spiritually to access those qualities of the sephiroth of Keter those eldritch beings can cause illnesses such as schizophrenia at worst, and at best turn you into a puppet, just like the Thule and most of nazi Germany were. (2/2)

>>40551614
>is the great work physical (external) or spiritual ( internal)?
both, every person has the ability to undergo a Great Work, which is developing their mind, body and spirit to resist external influences and have enough control to access the Keter without being influenced by certain vile things, and everyone can participate in The Great Work, which is using your Great Work to research and pave the way to the day where we can finally rid humanity of the wall we build, the day where humanity evolves enough to where breaking down the wall will not cause pandemonium

>>40551614
>What is the best thing the average person can do grow spiritually?
know yourself, meditate, stay as far away as you can from social media, I am proud of the results of my golemancy research, but I cannot tell you the extent of the mental deterioration that comes with being caught in the crossfire of an occult war dealing with the eidos.

>>40551614
>what happens post death and how much control do we have in our afterlife?
a few things can happen as far as we have been able to measure, but it really depends on the person itself, the soul usually turns back into energy in the keter, mixed and reconstituted into new souls, like a larger multidimensional ecosystem, the idea of hell comes from the fact that subconsciously humans tend to trap the soul and mind of a person who hurt them together, so when it comes time for the soul to decompose if you hurt a lot of people during your lifetime then you will be conscious during the whole process, since it is in a way an ecosystem there are beings that act as decomposers, so it would be something like being awake inside your own coffin, unable to move while you feel every gnat and maggot eat your body inside and out, as for heaven, it is something of an eternal life, we theorize that every soul is in fact a divine spark, a piece of the creative energy of the whole, as such your soul is but a facet of a much greater being, something that comes close is “The egg” by Andy Weir, except in most cases you do not keep your mind after death, your eidos dissolves into something that resembles a blissful sleep or a psychedelic consciousness expansion, in some cases people have been known to linger spiritually or informationally, however those are rare and usually fleeting, but they can be induced and prolonged to the point you could even take the place of an archetype within a limited group of people, you have full control over your afterlife in terms of suffering or not, as suffering is dictated by how badly you treat people in life, hatred keeps you trapped in hell, and forgiveness and love allows your soul to blissfully dissolve and return to All

>>40551614
>What is the biggest event that will happen relatively soon and when will it happen?
we are already in the middle of it, an occult war, fought with information, currently the nazi occultist societies are attempting to replace the protective archetypes with their own, which from my research appear to be similar to golems, however instead of being automatons they act as trojan horses, some of those eldrich beings managed to possess or influence some members of their cults and they started attaching themselves into virulent ideas which are currently weaving their way into the collective unconscious and tainting it, this is where >>40551378 (the "pedo shit") comes in, pedophilia represents a destruction of innocence, which is one way to slowly replace the soul of a person with one of those beings, the beings manipulate the mind first, and then leech into the soul by eidetically destroying the innocence of the inner child (also known as God, the divine spark, that which has the potential to grow)

>>40551058 (OP)
Are gnomes real and are the freemasons good guys

>>40551614
>What is the best thing the average person can do to prepare for it?
stay as far away from social media as you can, and help others do the same, remove hatred from your heart and know yourself, walk your Path and complete your Great Work, and if others ask for it, give them the tools so they can also begin their Great Work

>>40551614
>what is the force the is enslaving mankind?
in a sense, mankind itself, we built a wall to protect the average person, however the only thing keeping you in that wall is the fact you can not finished your own path

>>40552010
it is definitely interesting, and fundamentally both correct and incorrect at the same time, there are things we cannot perceive in our current state, but there are also ways to see things through another "lens", after all, "as above, so below"

>>40552186
there have definitely been quite a few schisms and disagreements within our society, some groups parted with us a long time ago to create rival societies (although most of them still follow our own overarching goal, the main difference being their methodology, although some have decided that the wall should stay in place indefinitely)
>>40552212
i can neither confirm nor deny this

>>40552476
my soul dissolving sounds like a hell itself, even if it "blissful" and it sound like the second death that many beliefs warn against. I have no desire to lose myself. Assuming this is true how can one keep their sense of self and resist the pull keter?

>>40552519
>Are gnomes real
yes.
>are the freemasons good guys
depends on which splinter group of them, some of the elitist assholes decided to fuck shit up at some point, but i cannot really elaborate much on this

>>40552580
it could be interpreted less as you losing yourself and more like you waking up from a dream, a long dream where you, God, or creation, or one, or all, was a human, a simple human who lived a full life and died, "you" become just another facet of the greater individual, an experience that shaped the soul of God

>>40551058 (OP)
Do you have any lore about how the evolution in ancient priesthoods occurred? ie, from managerial positions to king positions, or from benevolent to malevolent. I realize your old records are limited, but I assume this would be important enough to remember.

My estimates are that there was a massive schism approx 6000 years ago, so just a bit past your timeline.

>>40552596
what is your understanding of the concept of "soulmates"? what would be the fate of the souls of a married couple who are deeply devoted to each other? would they too dissolve into the All or do they remain attached in some way?

>>40552601
yes, the 6000 year timeline is likely somewhat correct, when i say around 5000 years it is mostly rounding a few centuries, the actual estimate is closer to 5600-5700 years give or take a few centuries.
>Do you have any lore about how the evolution in ancient priesthoods occurred? ie, from managerial positions to king positions, or from benevolent to malevolent.
well, it happened over time as nomadic tribes settled and the scholars and shamans would exchange information in councils, eventually giving birth to the first societies, we think this was when the idea of golems and tulpas in the form of archetypes began forming, as the natural gods were non-abnormal manifestations of the eidos, similar to the eldritch beings in the sense that they existed in-between the human minds, however unlike those things the natural gods were symbiotic with early humans, allowing for the development of the early ideas that started civilization, as civilization grew we found ways to unify them into singular beings, which gave rise to the first pantheons of gods with many names, but I think they may have originally been united in the first place, when early human ancestors migrated out of africa, there is no way the same concepts behind gods with different names would have arisen in completely separate tribes otherwise.
>>40552629
being deeply in love with someone can mix your soul with the soul of that person, if the love is not maintained the fragments leech out and your soul eventually grows back to fill the void, however with lovers separated by death there is no calling for the fragments of the soul of the other person to return to, as such you will likely carry them with you for the rest of your life, unless your soul rejects them for whatever reason, this is mostly what i understood from what my dead friend told me when he was drunk one day, I am not sure how accurate my interpretation of his "cryptobabble" is.

>>40552669
>being deeply in love with someone can mix your soul with the soul of that person, if the love is not maintained the fragments leech out and your soul eventually grows back to fill the void, however with lovers separated by death there is no calling for the fragments of the soul of the other person to return to, as such you will likely carry them with you for the rest of your life, unless your soul rejects them for whatever reason, this is mostly what i understood from what my dead friend told me when he was drunk one day, I am not sure how accurate my interpretation of his "cryptobabble" is.

very interesting to hear. thank you. i lost my fiance recently and i feel very empty. my hope is that when i die we can be together again somehow, whatever that means. we always used to talk about making sure we could "find each other" after we died.

>>40552730
in a sense you will both be together after death, because you are both parts of the same being, but also the idea of her still exists inside your eidos right now, along with a part of her soul in your soul, so you could think of it as her being with you right now as you live your life, so live happily and enjoy life, so that the part that is still left of her here may enjoy it with you.

>>40552759
thats wonderful

>>40552580
Still not interested. A drop returning to the ocean still destroys the drop, even if the ocean "gains" everything from it. If this is what happens after death it seems like the whole human farm theory might be true.
You believe your friend is still exist even though he has physically died, so retaining oneself post death must be possible.
How can me and anyone who doesn't want to be devoured achieve this?

>>40552808
was supposed to be for
>>40552596

>>40552776
it really is, most of my work gives me knowledge of some wonderful things that offset the bad, my friend was half-insane (as alchemists tend to be), so he was much gloomier than me, still he left me with a few gems that I will carry for life, and while I can't say I know everything (as he would often say, you have to "find the truth within the truth"), I know enough to see that there is good in all of it, even if it gets hard sometimes.

>>40552808
I am not sure, my area of research is in the creation of golems, for those we can create a soul, but that is a whole new soul that grows with the golem, transferring your own, with your memories intact is a whole different beast, you would need to be both a genius and a madman to achieve it, in any case, you could likely find at least part of what you want to learn with internal alchemy and a base understanding of the kabbalah and the eidos

OP here, I am about to hit the sack, tomorrow I will try to check in to answer any other questions you may have

>>40551058 (OP)
Are you at liberty to disclose your friend's name in the likely event that his human identity has nothing left to lose?

>>40552876
Thanks OP!

>>40552669
How would you compare the spirituality of the ancient Egyptians, Mesopotamians (Babylonians, Assyrians, etc), Scythians, and any other major group I'm forgetting?

Do you know anything about Phoenicians? I have a hunch that they were Atlanteans. I've begun to realize the gnostic layer in the story of Atlantis, but it still seems to be told in a way that the whole thing is based on fact.

>>40552876
is earth a prison planet, where our souls is not allowed to escape?
how can I see real results of any occult practice (seeing people aura, affective astral projection not based on chances of sleep, magic, talking to being) in real life? is it even possible if you’re not a cult member and doesn’t take decades of boring to death meditation?
are the nazi coming back? i mean the original one that escaped to Antarctica and space

>>40552876
are reptilian real?
what is space?

>>40552546
you built a wall trapping us inside, how can you say its our fault??

>>40551058 (OP)
>my friend
That was your thread faggot you structure your nonsense the same exact way. Kys

>>40552959
To add a little bit of thought to this (same person):

I just can't fathom why the "Indo-Europeans" or "Aryans" (not sure at this point what is the best term for them, because I believe in an Atlantean origin) would have primary spiritual importance.

Of course, I understand that they could have been more preservative of the original ways, while the tribes in the south developed cities and may have drifted off for complex reasons associated with those cities and agriculture,

These original ways could constitute something like buddhism, and then maybe some sort of organizing principle like the unification of gods that you mentioned, which you could find in the tree of life.

However, written tradition seems so absolutely essential to intellectual development, that only places with writing would allow for serious advancement, whether it is spiritual or rational, mathematical, or engineering.

This creates the context for the steppe tribes invading south. You have northern less intellectual people conquering (or at least being a huge nuisance to) southern more intellectual people. People like to label the north as good and the south as bad, but you could also label the north as barbarian and the south as civilized, or even the north as bad and the south as good.

Without limiting ourselves to basic terms like good and bad, how would you characterize this relationship? I figure that if writing tradition was to survive thousands of years in any place, it would be Egypt most of all (and prior to Caesar's burning of the libraries, who knows what they had), then maybe Babylon, maybe Anatolia (Hittite or Luwian, aka Trojan).

>>40553880
I think I've seen JRR Tolkien argue that the beginning of evil was in Turan or Romania, which is where he places Mordor. I also know that despite a long period of urban development (this known era starting around 4000 BC), the first empire on record is the Akkadian Empire of only 2000 BC. So there was 2000 years of peace and then suddenly war and conquest that never ended? Sounds like influence from the north.

I can definitely see how the northerners might have influenced the development of intelligence operations. Nomads can be stealthy and crafty in ways that sedentary people may not be. This evolution in warfare then became the thing which continually changed the world, as each era's innovation became the overriding, dominant factor in determining world order. While economic innovations are nice, economies on their own have no military and thus no natural defense. Banks have power if you have a way of forcing payment on a debt, which means international finance is totally useless unless you're already the most powerful military, which means international finance is merely an empire in disguise. You can't get away with being a crafty elite and survive for thousands of years if you aren't also the strongest. Or perhaps I should say, craftiness on economic matters is nothing if you are not crafty on militaristic matters.

Anyways, this conflict between two sides, or this development from noble savagery to civilized conspiracy, is really the ONE story that I endlessly return to, primarily out of sheer curiosity (not in expectation that it has direct correlation to anything happening today).

I'm very curious to hear what you think about all this. Hopefully this adds more color to this question:
>>40552186

>>40552557
I just realized one crucial error to my model. It's only true for things outside of the self. When the object is not outside of the body but inside the body, then the lens stops being rational and starts being nothing but a distortion of reality.

In other words, the inner reality is somewhat closer and more knowable, which could also be mistaken for "truer". I don't think it's truer, but metaphorically I get how others could say this. I just think most other people aren't using that metaphor with that depth of understanding.

>>40551058 (OP)

I asked your friend this and got no answer:


What do you know of the cults who practice monarch marionette programming on their children as well as runaways and troubled children? Wtf do you know? Why do these weirdos fixate on the anus? On blood and on children? Are they tied up with mandaeans or certain gnostic groups from Mideast?

Give as much as you can spull it

Was your group behind communism and the Holodomor? The creation of central banking?

OP here, back for some more answers
>>40552951
No.
>>40552959
We think the Atlanteans fell due to mass contamination by the entities I described earlier, while I can neither confirm nor deny your theory about the Phoenicians, I can tell you that some of their practices did get transferred to the Phoenecians, the differences in spirituality between the major groups you mentioned mostly occurred due to changes in philosophy, you also have to consider the fact that some of the civilizations you described did not coexist in the same period of time, and some were directly derived from the others.

>>40553116
No, you are free to return to God after death, the wall is only there for those not spiritually advanced enough to withstand what is past it.
>how can I see real results of any occult practice (seeing people aura, affective astral projection not based on chances of sleep, magic, talking to being) in real life? is it even possible if you’re not a cult member and doesn’t take decades of boring to death meditation?
Currently we do not even teach most new initiates to read auras unless they show some natural skill in it, and even then reading auras can be somewhat inexact, nowadays we mostly use some technological alternatives that allow us to measure perturbances in the eidos (you could say that there is more than one reason Richard Feynman was one of us), you can definitely reach results in your lifetime with a few years of practices, but most people are looking in the wrong place.
>are the nazi coming back? i mean the original one that escaped to Antarctica and space
They never left, they infiltrated into the USA and the USSR after the end of WW2, the ones that escaped to Antarctica were actually expeditions looking for remains of the Atlanteans who returned to South America instead, however I can tell you that any remains, if there are any at all, would be buried deep enough in ice that not even modern technology would be able to retrieve it, much less find where it is in the first place, after all, who is to say that the ruins of Atlantis was actually in Antarctica in the first place.

>>40554141
Interesting. I will go and read about these entities and return if I have questions.

Could you take a look at this thread, which I started because of this discussion?

>>>/pol/507840313

Am I right?

>>40553117
>are reptilian real?
...
>what is space?
ask /sci/, I can tell you however, that some fields of theoretical quantum physics are in fact studies on the eidos.
>>40553182
I guess there is a reason why we were close friends despite our fields of study being different, birds of a feather and all that.
>>40553880
the idea of a master race to begin with is in fact wrong, it is only a tool in their arsenal, a virulent idea created to shift perception to stop the victim from noticing mental contamination by distancing them from their fellow man.
>However, written tradition seems so absolutely essential to intellectual development, that only places with writing would allow for serious advancement, whether it is spiritual or rational, mathematical, or engineering.
you would think so, however eidetic entities, the original archetypes, allow for the mass storage of information to be spread out throughout a group in a way that even if a person dies the information is not truly lost, this is how civilizations did not have to begin using written languages before they reached the critical mass that caused the "glitches" to show up.

>>40553883
Tolkien's theories were never properly proven nor disproven, we believe the eldritch entities (originally "glitches") show up after the number of social interactions in a single human rises above a certain threshold.
>You can't get away with being a crafty elite and survive for thousands of years if you aren't also the strongest.
You cannot survive at all while your civilization crumbles due to most people having been driven insane, we made sure that the powers of each era knew that.
I still cannot give you details on internal disputes, there are many factions and many families which are a part of our society, most of which are unknown to the public.

>>40554213
i know what happen, that thread is not your friend and you’re not in the same cult, No you’re different cult and he tried to either expose the truth after having a conscious that Raping people is bad actually or you’re in the same cult and he tried to be a whistleblower.
you came here to cover the track and dilute the information.
oh and based on you the nazi are the good guys, as everyone have guessed before but you’re trying to make us hate them because they tried to save us all from your evil wall and imprisonment because “muh human not ready” elite piece of shits talking point.
KYS glowie

>>40554235
So, would you say the "secret sauce" of any long-standing civilization is its ability to keep its people sane while living in density?

Do you think these glitches rose up within your own class, perhaps leading to their influence on the human genome and societal structure that ritualizes glitch-producing interaction, or do you think they just emerge as product of human nature (in anyone, albeit with a normal distribution)?

It sounds like you were saying the latter but maybe holding back on the former.

I'm just trying to understand the nature of the eldritch horrors. It sounds like you're describing the inner experience of fear, but what is the outer source? I assume we might be talking about the escalation of warfare, but human sensitivity to fear and pain may increase with respect to its intelligence. Thus, the eden moment really is about knowledge in general (applied to many instances in human evolution). With more knowledge, you lose more innocence, and potentially experience more pain. Because there is a standard deviation of mental resilience with a low enough average, this drives a majority of people insane. Some large amount of human interaction can be enough to trigger this.

>>40553922
when the self is but a facet of all, you can know all by knowing yourself.
>>40553957
check >>40552515 for the explanation on "pedo shit" and the cults who do that sort of programming.
the original forms of golemancy involved child sacrifice in a way, because this was before we learned how to make a soul for a golem if one was needed, a soul has to grow to fit the shape of its vessel, which is why adults would not have worked for this purpose, however this was many thousands of years ago, ever since about 5000-6000 years ago we have found a less cruel way to create a new soul for any golem that requires one
as for the middle eastern groups, there are some which still follow our goals as well, but they practically lost the war against some groups puppeteered by certain entities, however those groups are still very primitive and will die out in time in the crossfire of the major occult war.

>>40552546
I came to this conclusion tonight myself, particularly relating to when you said:
"when the self is but a facet of all, you can know all by knowing yourself."

I think we are so decadent that we cry more and more for being unable to have everything in the material realm, and yet our cries would be silenced if we merely spent some time looking inwardly. You can either do this when you're 20 or 30 or 50 or 70 or on your death bed. The people who figure it out on their death bed must be some of the saddest cases. I guess the lesson is, don't wait.

>>40554255
>So, would you say the "secret sauce" of any long-standing civilization is its ability to keep its people sane while living in density?
yes, or at least it used to be, before we put the wall in place.
>Do you think these glitches rose up within your own class, perhaps leading to their influence on the human genome and societal structure that ritualizes glitch-producing interaction, or do you think they just emerge as product of human nature (in anyone, albeit with a normal distribution)?
they have absolutely appeared spontaneously in some of our families and initiates, its a risk that comes with the job.
i would say that there was an original genetic influence pushing towards the development of eidetic entities, as those allow for the use of many minds in the processing of information and the dissemination of knowledge without the need for written language, which was very useful for early nomadic humans and allowed us to develop civilizations in the first place, the glitches rise up when the amount of minds increases to the point where "gaps" form, which allows certain negative parts of human nature to coalesce into those entities, certain forms of entities can also originate completely on accident due to virulent ideas naturally arising, the wall exists in order to stop those entities from being able to interact with spiritual energy to become fully fleshed out, because after that point they become nearly impossible to exterminate.
there are definitely external factors related to these entities, but I cannot really discuss that.

>>40551058 (OP)
Gnosticism is the Kirkland brand of truth

>>40554303
What is this wall? A construct of language? Maybe not the words themselves, but the meanings they represent. You wall up meanings with ideology, protecting people from learning certain things?

>>40554303
>before we put the wall in place.
What does this mean? With the wall up, leaders are less incentivized to keep people sane? Thus, your support for the human psyche thus allows them to abuse us more?

>>40554311
kind of, you could think of it as both a collection of living ideas and artificial spirits that exists in the eidos that stops any newly formed eidetic entity from gaining a spiritual form, while also reducing the risk of any new eidetic entities from forming in the first place
>>40554317
>Thus, your support for the human psyche thus allows them to abuse us more?
quite the opposite actually
>What does this mean?
check >>40552325 and >>40552331
>With the wall up, leaders are less incentivized to keep people sane?
what makes you think they could keep people sane in the first place

OP here, I have shared with you all most of what my friend asked me to, there are other more complicated matters that I wish I could discuss, but I must go for now, thank you for listening.
>>40554255
one thing I wish to add regarding the human genome is that the resurgence of transgender individuals is a sign that humanity is slowly evolving to a point where the wall will likely not be needed anymore, as these individuals tend to be highly spiritually sensitive and as such are usually able to see past the wall from an early age, they represent the shaman class and their appearance indicates that humans are developing a resistance to mental contamination, while some are driven to madness and suicide, the increase in their numbers shows that resilience is building with each passing generation, they are the unification of masculine and feminine aspects, expect their numbers to increase as humanity evolves spiritually

>>40551058 (OP)
I'm just taking in what actually transpired here. I'm very sorry for your loss, brother. I wish I said that in one of my earlier messages. I had a lot of stuff to go back and read, which I've now done.

It sounds like your friend "committed suicide" in a sense, although in his view he was committing his body to an experiment for science.

>>40554483
OP here, thank you friend, i did say i have to go, however i just noticed there is one more question to answer
>>40554255
>>40554303
i said "there are definitely external factors related to these entities, but I cannot really discuss that.", however there is something I can disclose, which refers back to >>40552476, you can think of the world of Keter as an ecosystem, and in any ecosystem there are predators, take of that what you will.

>>40554573
Thank you for answering your questions, and also thank you to either you or those like you, for implanting me with enough heroic memes as a child that I've been able to fearlessly look at a lot of things in the eidos without fear of death.

Well, I assume it was partly them anyway.

>>40551058 (OP)
kino thread, bump

>>40554366
>trannies are a sign of spiritual evolution
bullshit lmao

>>40554011
>Was your group behind communism and the Holodomor? The creation of central banking?

Question meticulously avoided. lol