I was reading some esoteric and occult books and there's always two distinct and extreme visions on how the magus should act morally, on one side people say that asceticism is the way along with devotion and others go the crowley route "Do whatever you want" style, use it to get rich, hex people etc, it's a middle way possible? Like the immortal alchemist st germain that produced gold and diamonds out of thin air, used for himself to live in luxury but also helped a looot of people, and there's the ones like simon magus who thinks that for a person to be saved they must have esoteric knowledge(magic even)and not Karma related stuff, what you guys think? Are you selfish in your use of magic,spells,law of assumption etc?

If I want to sleep on peace then i must do good on the day

>>40558182 (OP)
When was the last time you hugged a tree? You are connected to reality in ways science is unable to measure. There are extremely subtle energies that flow in and out to the universe. If you seek true magic, inner alchemy is where you start. To exist in harmony and love with others. Be gentle with yourself as well. We all have faults. Like a tuning fork that resonates to higher frequencies, feel the song of creation. All matter vibrating, everything moving. Feel and know these energies exist, and they will be made manifest. Harming others and attachments to the material can interrupt your harmony. Self control is key to directing internal energies. Control your desires. Self mastery. Magic starts with (you).

The dark path is self-destructive. Pray for divine judgement if necessary and leave the matter to a higher power. https://youtu.be/cH-HT9WCtiQ?si=oIbhh25s3v7yyaIY

>>40558882
>Magic starts with (you)
Very true, anon, very true

>>40558182 (OP)
middle path means the middle path is mostly unknown and open for the person to traverse forward in a centered state without having to choose one way or another, but creating their own. Think of the Cross. The center. They do this to humble themselves and become better humans as they progress throughout life. Though, the weight it has on their shoulders is far heavier than normal because of the understanding they have about life.

>>40558182 (OP)
People who tell you only two extremes are possible usually seek to manipulate you.

>>40558182 (OP)
The first is the sinister path and the archetype of the earth bound hermit. Christos Beest sinister tarot for more infos. The latter, yes typical GD kabbalah and the Magician in the Rider-Waite tarot.

Of course a middle path is possible, its just larping

>>40558182 (OP)
>there's the ones like simon magus who thinks that for a person to be saved they must have esoteric knowledge(magic even)and not Karma related stuff
Simon Magus is potentially the historical Jesus. Keep that in mind, because what you just said is a revolutionary idea.

>>40559849
Hint: the only person who can save you is yourself. That's why you need the knowledge.

>>40559849
>Simon Magus is potentially the historical Jesus.

What?

>>40559849
A character that clearly is not Jesus and who clashed with Peter?
No.

By the way, could simon really fly? I thought that the only thing possible was levitation just 2 or 3 feet above the ground,and only after deep meditation

>>40558182 (OP)
I think you could learn all the magic you ever want and still never approach anything esoteric.
And that isnt a rhetorical "you". I mean you.

>>40560137
Simon Magus = Simon Niger = Abgar V Ukamma = Phraates V = son of Musa and wife of Helena of Adiabene = Monobazus = Judas of Gamala, the rebel who started the revolt.

Maybe this is John the Baptist as well. Not sure about that, but it does make certain things fit really well. I think it might be false, but because things fit well, people have speculated.

Monobazus' son is Izates of Adiabene, who is also Jesus.

The New Testament is ultimately a composite character. You have Masons covering their ass for the revolution against Masonry in 30 AD and then Romans covering their ass for the rebellion against Rome (and literally Izates trying to become Emperor after Nero died). Rome replaced the second guy with the first guy, but then the Masons also eventually obscured enough details that it's just muddy character that doesn't seem like a rebel in any way. The gnostic gospels dispel some of this notion, but studying history covers that other half of it.

I think he's also Apollonius of Tyana. Both feuded with Nero and were about to be killed, but supposedly Apollonius got away.

>Josephus mentions a magician named Atomus (Simon in Latin manuscripts) as being involved with the procurator Felix, King Agrippa II and his sister Drusilla, where Felix has Simon convince Drusilla to marry him instead of the man she was engaged to. Some scholars have considered the two to be identical, although this is not generally accepted, as the Simon of Josephus is a Jew rather than a Samaritan.

>>40560161
Jesus was a Magician. That's really him spreading Masonic knowledge.

>>40558182 (OP)
>on one side people say that asceticism is the way along with devotion and others go the crowley route
no that is the crowley route
the first half of magick in theory & practice is all about meditation techniques
most of his writing was prayers and hymns
here's crowley's advice to all:
"invoke often, and inflame thyself with prayer"
here's crowley's advice to the advanced practitioner:
"interpret every phenomenon as a particular dealing of God with [your] soul"
etc.

>>40558182 (OP)
White magic and black magic are the two accepted schools of thought
I agree with you though I’m interested in the middle path

>>40559849
Welcome to Gnosticism and Neo-Paganism ~ Sophia and the God/dess and Feminine Spirituality!
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