I think it might be a mix of Christian and Gnostic lore. I guess the first question is:
Did God or the Demiurge create us?
1. This is the material world after all, so the Demiurge created everything. OR
2. God created it, the Demiurge hijacked it.
So which is it?

>my understanding of everything comes from memes

>>40559151
thanks for extrapolating

>>40559163
Who do you think would win, Terence Tao the living mathematical wunderkind from Australia and America who successfully denies that cryptography is why maths is the least ethical science, or a hypothetical Zombie Atomnazi Fungi Terence McKenna except it's The Last Of Us and the real Silksong was the web of lies we spun across the globe to make everybody repeat that Vriska did nothing wrong while chanting "nine!" or "nein!" - nobody remembers which anymore - while Germany gets older and older and does Japanese Kata to fold Jewish maternal guilt into Jormungandr but there is no Tyr in the MCU which is why Gaster/Hastur/faster/Wasser etc etc pp.
Meanwhile, India is doing autofellatio, but the USA is Donald Trump. All of that because Justice is just ice but hairless ape want sadness.

P.S.: What if John was the real Zombie all along and the moon's not actually haunted anymore because NASA is where the demons are nowadays? That's why Narutorunning to area 51 didn't do anything.

>>40559130 (OP)
No one care what is it, physical or spiritual, good or bad, it's just experiences.

>>40559130 (OP)
You were never created. You are eternal, as God is eternal and you are part of God.

>>40559305
this isn't im14andthisisdeep kid

>>40559305
who created my body though?

>>40559302

>>40559130 (OP)
>So which is it?

God expressing infinite concepts through a finite medium and experiencing them through a subjective state of false amnesia (you)

The Demiurge is less of a tyrant false God and more of a rule keeper that keeps the game running smoothly. The Saturnian Archetype. Rules, restrictions, etc. Without them there is nothing to experience.

"Gnosis" is regaining direct awareness of your true self (Source "God").

Verdict: Enjoy the ride and try not to take shit too seriously.

>>40559321
Go back to sleep.
>>40559350
It isn't your body.

>>40559130 (OP)
Holographic universe for loosh harvesting

The Demiurge in some occult and Gnostic circles in understood to be Jehovah, who is presumably God.

>>40559130 (OP)

The Lord in whom we exist is the Demiurge and he's pointing at Mr God for us to help him level up

>what is the demi-urge i dont understand what demi and urge mean
the state of english in current year

>>40559130 (OP)
The Demiurge is simply God's instrumental intelligence. You're sent down here to find yourself through limitation, in order to be reborn in immortality.

Ever watch those monkey torture videos that were doing the rounds on youtube before a bunch of redditors lost their minds? The best way to describe reality is that God and his cronies are the ones watching the video, the Demiurge is the torturer acting on his behalf and you are the monkey.

>>40560458
What about the untold billions (soon to be trillions) that do not succeed in this?

>>40559130 (OP)
The Lord Jesus Christ.

“IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.” (John 1:1-5)

“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:” (Ephesians 3:9)

>>40560587
The 'external world' of the Many is an illusion. There is only the One and its dreams within dreams within dreams.

>>40560609
Sounds egomaniacal

>>40560681
The ego is also an illusion. There is no separation, no hierarchy, no multiplicity, only the unconditioned being-awareness of God.

>>40559130 (OP)
So the issue with the Demiurge is... who created the Demiurge? This is why Gnostic belief never really catches on.

If Zeus who created Zeus?
If Odin who created Odin?
If Demiurge who created Demiurge?
If Lucifer who created Lucifer?

See what I mean?
The question must lead to someone more powerful and so on until you reach the source that something that was not created is the source of all creation.

Now there is this Gnostic fallacy "that Material BAD!" Yes yes they can use their big words but I see through it. Funny enough this is the general conclusion of any belief Athiesm, Agnostic and so on "Life hard, bad things happen, World must be evil." It is a sort of childish conclusion but in a spiritual sense we are a childish creature. Very simple really but also very complex and beautiful. Like a diamond from afar it looks like just a glass gem but as you look deeper you see the details.

First we need to establish what this being is that created everything and has no peer. This being that sits above Zeus, Lucifer, the Demiurge all of it.

In the Christian belief this being is God and even in the Greek belief of the hidden God and honesty most Pagan beliefs worked their way to this sort of being that existed above all their deities.

God has no equal.
God was not created.
God can not be killed nor will he ever die.
God does not exist in time.
God is absolutely perfect with no blemish.
Everything exists because God Wills it.
Nothing has, is or will happen God is not aware of.
God is a Perfect being with no Peer this means God is Good and Evil is not God.
Then if God created the material then it is good.

Then why suffering?
Because God in his Perfect Justice and Love allows choice. Remember he lives outside time we cannot grasp how this works because to do so would be to draw a perfect circle which is impossible.
By allowing this choice he allows true Love to exist.
By allowing Choice God allows suffering as a consequence.

1. Non-duality. First thing to understand. All non-hylics are God.


2. Demiurge created the material world. And the Demiurge is me and you.


No mental gymnastics of 'it was hijacked so that we could uhhh learn a lesson!'

No. The Abrahamic religions worship the Demiurge.

Christianity even goes so far as saying that Death and Suffering are NECESSARY.

>>40560757
>So the issue with the Demiurge is... who created the Demiurge
Sophia

>>40560757
Careful. You're hinting predestination through an all perfect, all knowing creator. Free will is thus an illusion if you claim that. Free will / all knowing God are mutually exclusive. God thus is either perfect and free will doesn't exist (Christianity collapses) or God is not all powerful and all knowing and thus the core of Christianity can exist but God as shilled by the church is a lie. You can't have both.

>>40560757
saw this thread the other day

>>40561603
part 2

>>40559305
>>40559467
https://youtu.be/63N7XT6x-i8?si=vPT2PYOtaHFSEC05

>>40561618
Do you actually fucking talk like that?

>>40561617
for context this is the post it was referencing

>>40559130 (OP)
Our knowledge is imperfect and our senses only extend so far, even with tools and theoretical reasoning. It’s impossible to know that which we can’t investigate. We will probably never know.

>>40559130 (OP)
This hedgehog is pretty cool. What a day that must have been a rainbow and a spikeyboy.

>>40559130 (OP)
The nature of reality is to nurture and help us grow. Like a tutorial, a crucible. Most get lost in the material world and illusion, and thats not a bad thing. We are all free to live how we please, but there are some out there who will ascend beyond this existence. Don't worry if you dont make it, you'll have as many chances as you need. Live according to your own beliefs and truths and enjoy the journey.

God created everything.

The demiurge or yiggie is there to test agnostic.

He was always good, but the devil put up arguments like in Job.

Jesus died so arguments cease.

"Usagi no! Don't do it! Quit dying on me!"

>>40560587
look at Stephen Wolfram and his elementary cellular automata and you will understand
or you will wait for him to finish a coherent sentence, one of the two!

>>40560853
>uhm but what if forgetting things is illegal? check mate athiestsestrs
you right now, probably, thinking your smarts smell really sexy today

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iLCsZvs6uB4&pp=ygUYSW5odW1hbiBjcmVhdGlvbiBzdGF0aW9u

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yhd19ByZDQ&pp=ygUUTHJhdmVzIGZyb20gdGhlIHZpbmU%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=htn8sCtURgk&pp=ygUXU2FpbG9yIG1vb24gbXl0aGljIHR1bmU%3D

Watch watch.

>>40564111
>no 96 quite bitter beings
>no join me in death
>no funny ragtime intro
you're why phil is sad

>>40564388
Its summer time and living is easy.

Got those skateboard jones.