Does anyone else find large, massive lakes unsettling? There’s something very unsettling about the Great Lakes, Loch Ness (setting the monster aside entirely), Lake Baikal in Russia, etc. I wouldn’t want to be on a boat, swim, or be in a submersible in such lakes. It’s eerie in the same kind of way that uncanny valley or liminal spaces are eerie, I can’t explain it.

>>40562693 (OP)
Realistically if you were kidnapped and taken out to a large body of water and thrown overboard tied to a bunch of rocks,
How would anyone ever know?

>>40562693 (OP)
Read about Crater Lake in Oregon. It's 2000ft deep and it's the deepest on the whole Continent.

>>40562760
some part of you would eventually probably float to shore

>>40562693 (OP)
Because you're God one day your constant lies that "I'm God'" or that I "create my own reality" are inevitably going to manifest a scenario where I am God and where I do manifest my reality and once the power has shifted you will never regain it through the same mechanism because I won't feel the need to tell retarded lies to justify my behavior like you do, because you know your behavior is unjustifiable. No, instead you will be forced to look at this thread specifically for the rest of eternity as I transform myself into a cosmic nigger and stomp your retarded ethereal tranny skull in for the rest of time. It will be just, it will be beautiful, it will be perfectly karmic, you will deserve it, I won't have to lie to convince myself of this, if I ever feel doubt I will just look down at you looking at this thread, screen embedded in the astral pavement, and any doubts in my mind will just fade away. You deserve worse, it would be mercy, you're a retarded evil nigger, you will regret every act abuse and evil you've committed against me for all of eternity up until this point but you will regret this thread the most.

>>40562693 (OP)
Thalassophobia

>>40563027
this is poetry

Lake Ronkonkoma was the spoopy lake where I grew up. Many legends about it which I am too lazy to recall here.

>>40565141
Oh come on anon, share.

I grew up near the Great Salt Lake. Not any spooky stories that I ever heard, but the place is eerie. It's unnatural in some way, with all the brine flies swarming. The water is uncanny- the way you float is almost out-of-body.

I'd like to think some salt-encrusted creature lurks in this water, waiting for... Something.

>>40562693 (OP)
its literally just a survival instinct
>monkey no breathe underwater, so that mean big water very bad

>>40565376
Are there sea type fish in this lake?

>>40565401
According to science, no. Only these tiny guys. Which, granted, I find fascinating.

I'd love to really scour the lake though, just to make sure. Perhaps a creature from when it was the massive Lake Bonneville that evolved with the changing times.

There's dumbass rumors of whales in the lake that an old time millionaire put there for an easy oil supply, but that's literally all there is on that. No sightings, nothing.

>>40563027
Why don't you manifest a brain and start using it?

because theres predators swimming down there that are who knows how large while you are senseless and practically immobile.

>>40562693 (OP)
Not particularly, but I get the fear if your a bad swimmer or find modern pools "safer" then beaches and lakes.

I swim in quarries and reservoirs. I'm just at peace knowing I can always make it to a shore line over the ocean. Pools just feel less interesting and more disgusting to me. The depth, silence and cold can be a great reprieve if you know how to relax. If your really paranoid that situation might sound terrible, but I'm more focused on the birds, trees and fish then filling my head with what's at the very bottom. Seeing drawing clips I'd imagine fear pulls a lot of people down. Shock and panic drain energy, if your swimming in a lake and run out when no one else can find you? That's when your actually in danger.

To everyone with intrusive thoughts like:
>It's probably filled with those who committed suicide all resting in vehicles down there.
>Something rubbed against me! It's a sea snake or a ancient leviathan that's going to kill me!!
>These currents are leading to a whirl pool that will drag me down to my death...

Just stop. Breathe and relax, focus on inflating your lungs and stretch your arms out into a starfish position with your head towards the sky. Slowly and steadily back stroke to shore. I've swam for hours straight and outdone fellas with far more military water training then I've ever had by just staying calm and treating it as an endurance sport.

>>40565485
GSL is the last place to look. Historically, salt has a connotation of purity, simplicity, or protection, especially in terms of anything occult or metaphysical & malevolent. Mormons flocked to this place for a reason. There’s nothing there but water & salt, not even trout.

I have seen UAP’s near Moab & St George is a uniquely mystical crossroads. Otherwise Utah is devoid of that type of activity, either by design or dimension.

Fear is, after all, the mind-killer. To fear what is below or all around you in the unknown is its own death. To accept that a thousand eventualities exist wherein you sink to the murky depths or are bitten to death by tiger muskies, then to realize that your present reality is the opted mode no matter what—now you have begun to live.

>>40565531
>If you don't like being abused by a retarded evil sadistic tranny hivemind that controls everyone else on earth as you're forced to exist as the sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently real person in the world then you're stupid!!!

You're a retard.

>>40565568
Good post.
It never matters how deep the water is to a swimmer: you are only using the top.
The only thing to pay attention to are currents and distance, and distance can mostly be mitigated by simple buoyancy and backstroke - as you said.

>>40563027
Kill yourself faggot and take >>40564364
with you. You can suck each others dicks while you die.

>>40567133
I almost forgot, please use common sense when launching into a deep body of water. Don't jump into a body of water if you do not know it's depth. Take your time to identify if there are any obstacles you should avoid like jagged rocks or fast rushing currents. At least through a stick or rock in before you decide to dive head first from 30ft cliff into a puddle.
Some other random no no's for first time lake swimmers.
>Don't drink the water you swim in before filtering and or cooking it.
>Don't leave trash or try to harm wildlife. If you can't eat it, don't kill it.
>Please walk at least 50ft away from water before going to the bathroom. Burry your waste or cover it.

>>40562844
The water level in Crater Lake is only fed by snow. Snowfall there has fallen from 500 inches a year in 1950 to about 200 inches a few years ago. The water level is still the same. Crater Lake is weird

>>40562693 (OP)

Lake Superior reportedly is so deep that it effects the gravity around it. I've noticed people who live around the lake are a bit... different. Not in a bad way (necessarily). It's like they are automatically more in-tune spiritually than people who live elsewhere. I think it applies to the other Great Lakes also, albeit a little less.

Anyway I love Lake Superior and try to swim in it at least once every few years. Some of the best beach days I've ever had. It's such an intimidating, haunting body of water.

>>40571282
Primarily fed. There are natural springs and of course the water table that also feeds into the lake. These I fluxes are on average the same as the outflows due to evaporation and seeping through ground.
https://npshistory.com/nature_notes/crla/vol20j.htm#:~:text=From%20that%20date%20until%20the,of%201.043%20feet%20per%20year.

>>40572616
Yes. I understand the normie explanation. Now use your brain. Natural Springs at 6,000 feet above sea level? These are being fed by what exactly? Snowfall. Which has dropped off by more than half in the last 70 years. Also, the article you linked stopped in the mid 1950's and it noted the same trend seen at Crater Lake in the past as was noted more recently, namely that the water rarely if ever changes by more than +/- 10 feet despite massive changes in precipitation. Curious in 1950, but even more curious in recent years because it's pretty much impossible for a lake at 6,000 feet above sea level to naturally regulate itself when it's source of water has dropped off so drastically.

Raised in a Michigan port town on L. Michigan. Nearly every summer, somebody, usually a kid, would drown from our local undertow/rip current. Coast Guard would drag for bodies but the corpses wouldn't always be found. I was swimming at 15 when life guards told us to walk patterns because another kid was missing. I felt a hand or something brush against my leg but there was no object there when I reached down. The body was recovered several days later. So today all lakes and rivers creep me out.

t.

>>40562693 (OP)
Whatever happened to Lake Tahoe anon? His threads were awesome.

>>40572806
>Natural Springs at 6,000 feet above sea level?
Yes. If you used your brain, you could understand why.
>These are being fed by what exactly?
Groundwater.
>dropped off by more than half in the last 70 years
Completely wrong.
>despite massive changes in precipitation
Again, completely wrong.

You might be thinking of snowpack, and not precipitation. Comes from not using your brain.

>>40573503
Please anon. Explain how this happens. Crater Lake is 6,000 ft above sea level. It is 2,000 ft deep. Which means the bottom is 4,000 feet above sea level. I live in a house with a well that is close to sea level and isn't sitting on top of a bunch of volcanic rock. I had to drill about 30 feet down to hit water and also need a pump to get the water into my house. There is no fucking water table near Crater Lake. You have some water stored in vegetation, but that cycles out quickly and is still sourced from precipitation. Every source of water at that height is precipitation or runoff from precipitation. There is no fucking way, with a lake bottom sitting at 4,000 ft above sea level, that a lake can sustain itself when its only source of water is significantly reduced.
>Groundwater
There is no groundwater at 6,000 feet you absolute idiot. There is no water table beyond what is stored in vegetation and the thin layer of soil.
>Completely wrong (precipitation dropped off by half)
See picrel. From the high to low points, it went from 800 to 400 inches. On average, it dropped from about 600 inches to 400 inches. 70% of Crater Lake's annual precipitation is snow. So, even without considering a drop in rainfall, you are seeing a massive reduction in the primary water source for the lake with no corresponding drop in water level. This is impossible.

https://www.craterlakeinstitute.com/what-to-do/weather/

>>40574448
>614 to 474
So we agree you were wrong on your "less than half the amount."
>There is no fucking water table near Crater Lake.
The water table can be at different elevations. go look it up.
>a lake can sustain itself when its only source of water is significantly reduced
the reduction is not significant over a longer time period, and you arent taking into account whether or not the outflow has reduced.
>From the high to low points
So you dont know how to read cyclic graphs.
>This is impossible.
And yet, what evidence do you have of the water level significantly changing?
So you are wrong, or reality is wrong.
I'll go with the person who only has "this cant be" as their proof being wrong.

>>40574509
>So we agree you were wrong on your "less than half the amount."
I didnt realize I was talking to a moron and looked at the high/low. Regardless, you had an average drop in primary water source of 1/3 and a 1/2 drop from a high/low standpoint. If you want a win (not really a win, but whatever), take this and then explain why water levels remain the same when you've had a 33% drop in incoming water
>The water table can be at different elevations. go look it up.
I have faggot. Whatever "water table" exists there is negligible. Its 6,000 feet in the motherfucking air.
>the reduction is not significant over a longer time period
33% less incoming water isn't significant?
>outflow has reduced.
What fucking outflow? Its a national park, there is no man-made outflow.
>>This is impossible.
>And yet, what evidence do you have of the water level significantly changing?
A motherfukcing drop in snowfall from 600 inches to 400 inches which is the primary source of water for crater lake.

>>40574680
>explain why water levels remain the same
I would look at outflow.
>I have faggot.
Then what is it, liar?
>33% less incoming water
Look at the longer cchart I provided. It isnt 33% over that time period.
>What fucking outflow?
The flow out of the lake that has been keeping the level relatively stable.
>A motherfukcing drop in snowfall
Is not the level of the lake.
I'll ask again to the moron: what evidence do you have of the lake changing level?

>>40572138
weirdly my thoughgts and life have been haunted by "The Wreck of The Edmund Fitgerald." I think its related to an acquaintance getting injured, but that song is the entirety of my knowledge of Lake Superior.

>>40574796
Holy fuck you are stupid. Even the official Crater Lake website and stats you provided demonstrates a 33% reduction in snowfall.
>muh seepage
Doesn't explain why water levels remain the same when incoming water is reduced. The best geologists have come to explaining this phenomenon is there is some kind of naturally-occurring regulatory mechanism that exists thst adds water during shortages and reduces water during an abundance of precipitation. And even seepage fags are at a loss to explain where the seepage is occurring. The implication is staggering and beyond most people's ability to understand. Crater Lake was intentionally designed and is an artificial lake. Which implies a civilization before ours designed it.

>>40562693 (OP)
You should play Subnautica, you'll love it.

>>40574881
>Doesn't explain why water levels remain the same when incoming water is reduced.
If incoming is reduced, and levels are the same, then outgoing must also have been reduced.
This is very simple.
>some kind of naturally-occurring regulatory mechanism that exists thst adds water during shortages and reduces water during an abundance of precipitation
Sounds like a water table to me.
Show me where these geologists say this.
Sounds like you are pulling shit out of your ass.
>The implication is staggering
It isnt, really. The implication is we dont know all the water transfers around the lake.
Any more is you again being retarded.

>40574881
>Sounds like a water table to me.
Again you stupid fuck, Crater Lake is a caldera sitting on top of a mountain at 6,000 ft. There is no water table. A water table is essentially saturated ground. There is very little actual ground on top of a mountain. You have about 1-2 feet of soil, if that, and under that is rock. That isn't enough to sustain a water table.
>show me where geologists say this.
Get off your ass and read some research papers faggot. I've provided links already.
>The implication is we dont know all the water transfers around the lake.
Its been sonar mapped and studied for about 80 years straight. Also, its not hard to find "water transfers." Simply follow the water. We have and we still dont know where the water is going.
>Any more is you again being retarded
Retarded is believing a 33% loss of incoming water doesn't translate to a drop in lake levels and your only explanation for why is a non-existent water table that purportedly defies the laws of gravity and physics and exists on top of a 6,000 ft mountain without absorbent substrate and the other regulatory feature is seepage that somehow cant be identified.

>>40575059
>Sounds like a water table to me.
Again you stupid fuck, Crater Lake is a caldera sitting on top of a mountain at 6,000 ft. There is no water table. A water table is essentially saturated ground. There is very little actual ground on top of a mountain. You have about 1-2 feet of soil, if that, and under that is rock. That isn't enough to sustain a water table.
>show me where geologists say this.
Get off your ass and read some research papers faggot. I've provided links already.
>The implication is we dont know all the water transfers around the lake.
Its been sonar mapped and studied for about 80 years straight. Also, its not hard to find "water transfers." Simply follow the water. We have and we still dont know where the water is going.
>Any more is you again being retarded
Retarded is believing a 33% loss of incoming water doesn't translate to a drop in lake levels and your only explanation for why is a non-existent water table that purportedly defies the laws of gravity and physics and exists on top of a 6,000 ft mountain without absorbent substrate and the other regulatory feature is seepage that somehow cant be identified.

>>40575227
>There is no water table.
All land has a water table, idiot.
Again you say retarded shit because you are seething. Like when you were blatantly wrong about precipitation being less than half when your own graphs showed that to be fake and gay.
> I've provided links already.
No you havent, liar.
Show me where geologists say the dumb shit you pulled out your ass.
>Its been sonar mapped and studied for about 80 years straight.
And we dont know everything.
If this is even true. Show me where they say this.
>We have and we still dont know where the water is going.
Then it is harder than you are able to do.
Except YOU dont do shit. It's funnny you try to glom onto people that do actual work./
Show me any one of these geologists that agree with you.
you cant.
>Retarded is believing a 33% loss of incoming water doesn't translate to a drop in lake levels
DOES it?
Show me the data that shows a drop in level.
Water level = incoming - outgoing. and they are staying the same.
You have nothing that says otherwise.
So you are wrong.

>>40575250
Again, I repeat, retarded is believing a 33% loss of incoming water doesn't translate to a drop in lake levels. I would add that retarded is also believing naturally occurring "wells" form on volcanic rock that can somehow regulate the water of a 6-mile wide volcanic lake. Retarded is also believing that a drop in snowfall wouldn't affect these purportedly wells since this snowfall would be the ultimate source of the water stored in these imaginary wells created by an imaginary water table.
>All land has a water table, idiot.
Crater lake is a fucking volcanic caldera idiot. It's not "land" per se. You need sediment and different layers of rock and soil for a water table to exist. At most, you have a negligible amount of water in the top soil and under that, volcanic rock.
>Show me where geologists say the dumb shit you pulled out your ass.
Here you go faggot since you cant be bothered to use google or open up the pervious links. Don't expect me to provide Cliffs Notes since you are too stupid to read for yourself.
https://www.craterlakeinstitute.com/research-at-crater-lake/limnology-research/hydrology-crater-east-davis-lakes-phillips-1968/
https://www.usgs.gov/index.php/geology-and-ecology-of-national-parks/geology-crater-lake-national-park
https://www.craterlakeinstitute.com/what-to-do/weather/
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/4eb07f3fbd334c56b6336aedbe8fe942
This conversation is at an impasse since you don't have the ability to engage in discourse honestly and without your ego involved. I have no interest in discussing complex topics with idiots. Other people can review the data and come to their own conclusions if it interests them.

>>40568642
These are really good.
One addition. The lower layers may mayter depending on where you are. Some large predators attack from below specifically. Even in freshwater lakes, you may find fish that will attack you at the slightest provocation (gar and similar fish may attack, but large catfish can also attack, albeit rarely, not to mention crocs, which may also attack from below as well as on the surface -- I am mentioning these not to blame the animals, they are where they live, they don't have anywhere else to go, but a human has no business being in habitat water).

>>40562693 (OP)
It's an environment that remains prehistoric no matter how much we evolve. Life functions on dinosaur morality down there, the bigger and faster animals eat the slower and weaker ones to prolong their own existence and to maximize the number of offspring they produce, nothing else matters. Obviously the same thing is true on land but somehow it produced apex predators who will proactively attempt to minimize the suffering of their own prey and maximize the happiness of non-food animals like dogs and cats. The ocean has dolphins and whales, but lakes are entirely dominated by retarded monstrosities.

>>40562693 (OP)
oh yea, plus i have submechanphobia. makes me think of the Lovecraft quote about things living in the dark corners of the Earth.

>>40575472
>believing a 33% loss of incoming water doesn't translate to a drop in lake levels.
And again - water level = in - out. If in is dropping, and level remains same - then another thing has changed as well.
Very simple. Very hard for you to get, apparently.
>since you cant be bothered to use google or open up the pervious links.
Correct. you are trying to provfe something. You should rpove it.
And none of those links has any geologists going
>OH NOOOO WE CANT EXPLAIN THIS MUST BE PREBUILT ALIENS!!
So you are wrong.

>>40575553
I'd actually argue against wildlife being a more considerable/common threat people should consider. Even toxins in the water like oil and bacteria are higher on the list of dangers than the wild fresh water shark attack.

Even if you live on the East Coast near Florida, there is always going to be signage telling you where gators are. Statistically it's 1 in 3.2 million to be killed by a gator attack on land or in water. That's equivalent of being hit by lightning 3 times. Or being in 31,000 car crashes.

So in the order of things that would kill a swimmer:
>1. Drowning - It's the most common death for any water related activity.
>2. Paralysis - If your injured, uncurious or cannot move, you drown.
>3. Exhaustion. When your exhausted? You stop moving, which causes you to drown.
>4. Currents - Moving water can drag people down or further from shore which causes people to become exhausted.

You get the concept? Even with animal attacks, the attack itself is usually not what kills people in the water. It's shock and blood loss, which leads to paralysis which leads too? Drowning!

So please. Don't fear wildlife, focus on preventing exhaustion, paralysis and above all drowning.

i was at a lake that has a town under it because of a dam. then a mexican drowned and i tried to help but it took too long to find him then it was really hard to swim and carry his ass even though there was other people helping but none of the other mexicans helped and we wasted alot of time trying to keep his head above water even though he wasnt breathing but no one thought to throw a life preserver that was on the beach and he dead now so what does that mean? its the nicest lake around but i dont really want to go back.

>>40563027
this is a personal message to me, i do not know what to say about it.

What do other anons think about okanagan lake

>>40567280
that's kinda mean

>>40578346
You are brown and fully vaccinated, aren't you?

>>40578787
I don't undestand cave divers/explorers/ocean divers who drown and then people have to waste time and taxpayers money to drag their darwing award ass. I mean they're already dead and buried.