Hi, for starters, I am not Alawite but I had long conversations with alawiteanon and I own a lot of private, unpublished works of the Alawite faith, including some knowledge of their oral tradition.

I don't know where anon went at, assuming he's pretty swamped right now. Im bored so ask anything

>>40572312 (OP)
You sound really gay.

>>40572312 (OP)

How can humanity bring glory to God

>>40572317
no you're fucking gayer

>>40572318

Abrahamic god I am assuming? If yes, then your god is just a being that descended from the pleroma and wiped out the solar system to factory reset it and create anew platonic permutations to have his own religious system that encompassed the seven planets. NEXT

>>40572320
No no, op, you’re a giant faggot. Nobody believes in islam because it’s all falsehoods and made up bullshit to push your pedophilic propaganda. Fuck off.

>>40572326
Well you failed to answer the question pretending to be more than human is pitiful if you're not going to show tits for proof

>>40572327

Fuck islam and fuck everything about it, it could go extinct for all i care. Alawism is not Islamic and it certainly couldnt give less of a shit about it. NEXT

>>40572335

Or you're just a stupid fucking retard that can't the fact I am alluding that your god doesn't DESERVE GLORIFICATION YOU ABRAHAMIC SLAVE OF A BASTARD. NEXT

>>40572338
Alawism is just Islam with extra steps. You worship Muhammad’s cousin or some bullshit. You fuck children and it’s disgusting. It would be best if you stopped lying.

>>40572344
My God will crush you with a toddlers slingshot

>>40572348

Total opposite, fagnon. Muhammad and the rest are just manifestations of a certain ontological/idealistic cloud of permutations that doesnt actually represent the misinterpreted "Architect of the Universe", he's the architect of this solar system only (alawite perspective). There is no actual worship, if anything, their whole motto is that worship is "to know the essence of something". NEXT

>>40572351

Do you want to know your god's story? it's silly

>>40572358
There is no haqq. Your broken Turkish belief system is just islam with extra esoteric steps with music song and dance where you put little girls into belly jewelry then you all group fuck them. It’s disgusting and it’s time you leave.

>>40572363
Mr God the engineer deserves your respect and you can call me enforcement. Give us your tale.

>>40572365

Turkish? GTFO rn. Alawites are Levantine, not Turkish. You're clearly a Muzzie or some kind of Abrahamicist, FUCK UR GOD

>>40572312 (OP)
what makes it any worth knowing and not being wiped out like all the other dead semitic like religions?

fuck off forced meme

>>40572371
Wrong again. I’ve seen your cult in person in action. It’s disgusting and I’ll expose it for what it is. You need to fuck right off. Alevism is just Islam where you use it to fuck 6 year old girls. You’re a disgrace.

>>40572367

Okay okay, here is the tale from Alawism itself:

He basically descended from above and destroyed everything that was present in Dalam's era to restart, he manifested to it at a time where there were neither earths nor any idealistic being controlling the solar system, neither orbits, nor angels, and the whole realm was a flat and desolate abyss (empty space), a still darkness (YOUR GOD WIPED OUT EVERYTHING HE'S MAD)

This is basically genesis but without the abrahamic bias

>>40572312 (OP)
What can you tell us about the true god?

>>40572389

It's not alevism your nigtard

>what makes it any worth knowing and not being wiped out like all the other dead semitic like religions?

It's pretty cool I like it, they like knowledge like the Mandeans, so much they talk about. From an atheistic perspective, it's an entertaining tradition with a few considerable insights, from a theistic perspective, it's very epistemologically tasty

>>40572397
Alawites aka alevism aliwism or however the fuck you spell it is just a sex cult where you rape children. It’s disgusting and you need to actually fuck off. Most here aren’t into that disgusting shit. Go find another board.

>>40572390

How did you come up with this?

>>40572405
Drugs. They smoke opium and rape kids.

so you're just gnostics with an islamic aesthetic?

>>40572405
>NTA
You want a book?

>>40572391

A lot, it's genuinely a being that is very magnificent, the Alawites describe IT in a funny way, they say it is the essence of hope, and the hope of the dot/poit, and the essence of the dot/point (revise Pythagorean diagram of the Monadic point and circle), the essence of eternity itself, the essence of All (union of opposites), it is manifest and hidden, present and absent, it has never been veiled, and never been manifest. It is the description of all descriptions and it speaks the language of literally everything at the same time in a dazzling harmonic fashion.

Look, in this one text I have open right now it says "My God never "was" nor will "be", He is the core of every core, the Essence of every heart. He is the wisdom of the balance of time, the Pearl of Time, the inner reality of Man, and the Outer presence beyond man." They that it has "thousands of tongues" in which it glorifies itself, I am assming those are alawiteanon's tendrils? Not sure.

>>40572407

Well kids are where truth comes from. the good news is they can't bring their methods with when they come to me

>>40572405

I didn't, it's written records, the oral tradition is more schizo.

>Drugs. They smoke opium and rape kids.

No, they don't smoke anything, they just use their minds to experience deep meditative states.

>so you're just gnostics with an islamic aesthetic?

More like Mesopotamian gnostics that took islam as a cloak because of bitchass abu bakr and umar and their likes.

>>40572407

Also YOUR RELIGION IS CENTERED AROUND RAPE YOUR SALAD FINGER SANDNIGGER MUZZIE PEDOPHILE, fukwrongwichu?

>>40572431
If I was going to cultivate a relationship with God I certainly wouldn't want to be caught associating with Christians. Not after how they did covid.

What are yall doing to honor your ancestors? Grandma probably doesn't get the memes...

>>40572436
They don't seem to get it. They would strongarm you into their religion just because they think it proves them right.

>>40572312 (OP)
Please bless me with lots of wealth, currency and money.

>>40572448

It really pisses me off whenever gnosticism is associated with historical christian gnosticism, while it's quite literally much, much older than that. Gnosticism historically referred to Hellenistic schools such as Neoplatonism and Hermeticism before Christian gnosticism came along, which is a Christian bastardization of both traditions. Alawism purifies it of that mistake.

Alawites pilgrimage to the shrines and pay respect, usually occultist alawites say they visit them in the cloud world for wisdom.

>>40572449

The thing is that Islam is literally in definition a polytheistic religion, and it's so provable that a 5 year old can notice it. The kissing of the black stone to get closer to God (same argument the Arab pagans used about their gods, THEY DIDNT EVEN DENY ALLAH WAS A GOD TOO), the pilgrimage to a black cube that doesnt have any inherent meaning and housed 300+ idols, oh yeah and the stone is partially preserved and was pissed on for 20+ years by Qarmatians.

>>40572460

Fucking spaz gave the synonyms of money 3 fucking times, okay, YOU ARE BLESSED!! Tomorrow, you will receive 500 trillion dollars in your bank account

>>40572465

Wellllllll... OK what is gnosticism

>>40572478
It's not just Islam, but they do the most violent stuff. Others are just snarky and verbally combative.

>>40572484
Thank you

>>40572312 (OP)
Bro nobody cares about your islamic Syrian child rape cult. Fuck off.

>>40572488

If we're defining historical gnosticism, it referred to certain groups that adopted the concept of dualism, a demiurge, divine spark, and salvific knowledge, which included the Hermetic texts, the Orphic-Pythagorean and Platonic traditions, and the Zoroastrian and Babylonian traditions. The myth can differ from to another, but the philosophy is the same.

If we're talking linguistically, it's any stereological religion centered our esoteric, experiential knowledge of the above/gnosis, which reveals the illusion of our surrounding reality.

>>40572526

yes yes, let me harvest you wasting your time typing meaningless shit

>It's not just Islam, but they do the most violent stuff. Others are just snarky and verbally combative.

Alawism is mostly just an agrarian, peaceful, philosophical religion with its own customs and

>>40572528
So youre not actually Gnostic youre just an adherent of someone else's gnosis? Why mention someone else's knowledge of God?

>>40572532

holidays, unlike the Bedouin religion which destroyed most of the Middle east as you can see.

>Bro nobody cares about your islamic Syrian child rape cult. Fuck off.

Yes, let me harvest you.

>>40572535

Uh no, they are those people. Alawism didn't appear 1,400 years ago, it's a continuation of the past mystery schools, they didnt just come out of a cave and say OMG PLATO HES SO FUCKING HOT and become platonist suddenly. It goes back thousands of years to Ensi tribes that studied surrounding traditions overtime and synthesized everything into unifying philosophy, they are the babylonians, the platonists, the jews, whatever the fuck.

Alawites also embody the linguistic tradition, so historical and linguistic, okay anonbro?

So are there other solar systems shaped by others Gods besides Yahweh according to this faith?

>>40572560

There as many demiurges as the strands of hair on your head (assuming youre' not baldis basics). There is an alawite dialogue of a elder and student talking about the becoming of a believer when he reaches the limit of his purification of cycles, whence the elder then says that he will return to what they call samadaniyya (divine absoluteness/eternality) of God, he then says that said person can separate entirely from this solar system and become his own samadaniyya, where he may "split open a fissure and create a creation", similar to the cosmic egg that cracked and brought everything. He will become a creator principality that provides sustenance, and governs a world like this one, and unfold from his light a cosmos in order to fulfill his will, which is bascially the permutations of his cloud. Their beginning shall be from him, and their return unto him. He shall possess originations and volitions. The questioner asked him if he will have a world like this one, a dominion like this one, the elder says yes, then gestured his hand and unveiled seventy worlds (solar systems), each like this world seventy times over (it was a vision in the cloud world.)

YOU CAN BECOME LIKE ALLAH

>>40572553

I am mithras looking for a home I find nostalgia in the church but they saw me for having snake eyes and temble before me. Why must you offend my God to be gnostic?

>>40572605

If you're Mithras then you know that divinity is an illusion, YOU'RE NOT MITHRAIS YOU LARP FAGGOT

>>40572612

Strange accusations from my child

>>40572618

I am the son of the sun, not the sun of a 4chturd

What's the name of The Creator?

>>40572624

Let me tell you how it happened this mouse came to behold the ring in the nose of the bull.

>>40572629

Demiurge or Monad? If demiurge, it's Allah, the Lion, Yahuwa, Yaoim, al ma'na al saghir (the small meaning), The Great Cloud (el-sehab al azeem), whatever.

Monad, it's 138, I AM, ma'na al-ma'ani (the meaning of meanings), ghayb al ghuyub (the abyss of abysses/the abstraction of abstractions), so on

>>40572642

I need to add that Allah is a subcloud of the demiurge, it was a reformed model of Allat wal Uzza (the three daughters of Allah in arabia) mixed with the concept of El.

What do you believe about other Universes? How many are there?

>>40572665

They believe in a sort of omniverse where Al 'Alam Al Kabir (The Macrocosm) contains every and all possible permutations of every possible and impossible thought, concept, and idea, they can be worlds, universe, or even multiverses, and for it to manifest is uses the raw matter and whatever feeds on it vibrates into the material realm to manifest physically into matter. If we're talking physical universe, what I know is that they speak of this one as the only material model which has abstract multiverses permutate into physical matter. It's kind of complicated really but I hope you get the gist.

>>40572692
You must be high up in the chain to know such things. Are you an Elder?

>>40572692

I mean we can't also forget the concept of chaos in alawism which is literally just something that breaks logic, they don't know what it is, it's just there and whatever is said about it is but the smallest of glimpses which your mind tries to interpret in comprehensible words (impossible).

How does reincarnation work, what makes someone reincarnate as X or Y?

>>40572697

No, I just know a thing or two about Alawism because I personally know a few elders and initiates, and also because I have a physical library of their works. What's my backstory and where I got all of this doesn't matter since that's a diff convo for another time, I am just bored and I like talking about this, and my unserious tone with other 4channers is that I just give each the deserving treatment.

>>40572717
Okay, cool, so not an Initiate but related or affiliated, alright. Are you from an Elite Family?

>>40572717

P.S: pic is an alawite epistle I have in physical copy about the misconceptions of trinity and how it actually refers to a Monadic essence.

>How does reincarnation work, what makes someone reincarnate as X or Y?

Well, it's mostly the descent from light into material being, and it's depending on your breathe of the cloud, the power of your being basically. they believe in an aristotelian chain of being, from a platonic principality (like god, allah, mithras, hwatver) right down to stone-consciousness, which then ascends to mineral, then animal, then human. It's all about your actions and vibrations, through the patterns of life and the programming of erroneous frequencies, which can progress or regress in the transmigration of souls.

Everything you do affects your mind which goes back to your being/essence.

>>40572728

I guess so? Politically yeah, we have a long Sufi lineage, not anything related to Alawism though. Everything I have ever known was through my own studies and connections.

>>40572748
Ah, you're part of a public relations line, that makes a lot of sense. It's good that you have an interest in their teachings. Clouds can kill you, but if they consume you, they have to give up the spirit and soul.

>>40572770

Yep, nothing interesting to know about me. I mostly descent from crazy schizo egyptian folklore hejazi tradition I am not interested in talking about, with a long sufi line. Public relations lineage, but I have seen stuff and met certain people, IRL and online, to get to where I am now.

Clouds are just ideas/principalities growing from the consumption of the energy harvested by other ideas/principalities. I plan to ascend keep my business to myself in a corner far, far away from all this cosmic drama. I will create a mini-cosmos of gods, a divine civilization, and it will be great. (im lying nothing is ever great, this creation is governed by chaos emanated into illusory order, THEY WILL FIGHT EACH OTHER TO DEATH AND THEN ESCAPE MY WORLD AND LATCH UNTO OTHER CLOUDS AND HARVEST EVERYTHING)

>>40572793
Alright, you're a cool person. Keep true.

>>40572807

And for anyone reading this, my answers are honest to knowledge, and ignore my unserious tone, it's how i respond to 4chan trolls.

I am gonna go sleep, you all ask your questions and when I wake up in a few hours, I WILL ANSWER

Is it AMSh with shin, or is it AMS with sin? I've read Alawiteanon quote both, and they shouldn't mean the same.

Also, I always wanted to ask Alawiteanon about the minor node in Spain. He talked about some keys related, but never followed on it.

Oh, and why are you all so interested in "ascending"? Up there is less stuff than down here. Why not fight for freedom in Malkhut, instead of running away up there? There's a reason the Lion went down, if it was cozy up there, the old rogue wouldn't be here.

>>40572838
Sent, not descended.

>>40572845
Considering who sent him down, all the more reason to be here.

>>40572465
>Gnosticism historically referred to Hellenistic schools such as Neoplatonism and Hermeticism before Christian gnosticism came along
That's patently untrue.

>>40574105
>That's patently untrue
Are you implying Gnosticism started with Christianity or is older than Christianity and the systems he named?

>>40572312 (OP)
What's the connections between Alawites, Druze, and Druids?

>>40574121
Gnosticism and Neoplatonism are incompatible and contradictory schools.

>>40574172
Which kind of Gnosticism do you mean?

>>40574220
Either. By definition, it's impossible to conflate them with Neoplatonism or Hermeticism.

>>40574172
Are they? You're stuck in the exoteric signs. Do you know what gnostiicism is at its root? Self knowledge, which means psychological teachings. Everything else is window dressing dogma.

>>40574271
I make it a point of principle not to engage with retards.

>>40574308
Ok, keep reacting to shadows on the wall.

>>40572824

It's with a sin, he's just being Kabbalistic about it.

>Also, I always wanted to ask Alawiteanon about the minor node in Spain.

Oh yeah, Zorita del Maestrazgo. I am going to straight true to you, I am not that of an expert in terms of knots and theirs keys, that's alawiteanon's field.

>>40572838

That is not true, there is much, much more up there than there is down here. If anything the Malkhut is a minor reflection of what there is above, a small manifestational glimpse of it.

>Sent, not descended.

I always liked to entertain this one Alawite idea that the demiurge is not ignorant or malicious but rather an agent of the I AM. It makes a lot of sense to me personally because of the fact that all secret teachings that went back to the demiurge in the Alawite faith shows that he secretly taught that you must ascend and reality is an illusion and that you yourself can become a demiurge of your own (those teachings were taught through his apparitions).

>What's the connections between Alawites, Druze, and Druids?

As far as I know, the Druze wrote an epistle slandering the Alawites through false accusations of sexual libertine beliefs, worshipping vagina, communism (the sharing of wives), and that women cannot ascend. All of which are 100% false and untrue, furthermore, there was an ideological war between the two, and they never coexisted doctrinally. I don't know about the Druids.

>>40574332

Just ignore him, he's stubborn.

>>40574353

>As far as I know, the Druze wrote an epistle slandering the Alawites through false accusations of sexual libertine beliefs, worshipping vagina, communism (the sharing of wives), and that women cannot ascend. All of which are 100% false and untrue, furthermore, there was an ideological war between the two, and they never coexisted doctrinally. I don't know about the Druids.

I should also add that that it was said there was a belief circulating at the era of Al-Hakim that they merged his divinity with that of Ali, saying they are one and the same. The Druze epistle said it was fabricated by a Nusayri/Alawite because Ali is viewed negatively in Druzism and denies him within a highly complex framework which considers him a demon (literally) and a man who tried to enslave people. However, this is simply not true and it never occurred in Alawism such a claim, they even tried to attribute a book titled "Kitab Al-Kashf" to the Alawite claiming it contained such a syncretism but it never occurred for any Alawite elder to write that book with that name.

If anything, it appears with Ismaili authors.

>>40574353
> It's with a sin, he's just being Kabbalistic about it.
Thank you. What is the role of AMS for the public alawites? Is it related to the triad Ali, Mohammed, and Salman Farsi?

Anyway, can I assume that resonating AMS and AMSh is all the same, then? Allawiteanon mentioned ALM, I believe. What about ALU? And آدي ?

>>40574874

>What is the role of AMS for the public alawites? Is it related to the triad Ali, Mohammed, and Salman Farsi?

Yes, it represents the holy triad of the Abrahamic god. Actually, in the first initiation, they try to allude to the powers of AMS by commanding you to recite it 500 a day from what I read.

>Anyway, can I assume that resonating AMS and AMSh is all the same, then?

No, not in cause and effect, but in the concept alawiteanon was alluding to, yes.

>Allawiteanon mentioned ALM, I believe.

Yes, it's an encrypted form of AMS, and kind of inversed. The A is Allah, the L is Gabriel, and the M is Muhammad. In public alawism, that would represent God, the Anima Mundi, and Metatron/Nous respectively. The anima mundi precedes the universal intellect in potentia only, there is a whole theology about this.

>What about ALU?

Not an abbreviation as far as I know, that's a mesopotamian spirit.

>And آدي ?

That's not Alawite, it's a Yezidi name of one of God's manifestations.

How do you go into your cloud after going lucid in a dream? Alawiteanon mentioned finding your silver cord and ascending through a chaos of images. How do you find the silver cord/ascend? I tried looking at my hands, but saw them with a kind of static and woke up. Do I try looking over my head? Do I need to find the cord at all? I also tried just teleporting/changing to my cloud, but it didn't seem to work.

>>40577216

You're referring to the cord that is effused from your chest and connects you to your upper cloud, in a spiral manner. That thing is more like an information receiver, your cloud's "cord" is actually a bridge between worlds that widens to send and receive data faster. It always projects and siphons information in real time, it gets wider when the information received and given gets more dense.

Anyways, when you astral project, try to imagine yourself ascending, your mind can translate the medium of ascension as a ladder, stairs, fucking spiral road, whatever it translates it as, until you reach the cloud.

>>40572312 (OP)
How does it relate to modern American Freemasonry? I’m a Royal Arch mason myself, and was told by alawiteanon that there are most definitely parallels between at least our first two degrees and theirs. Also anyway I could talk to you outside of this thread? Any book recommendations?

>>40577741
Also, I was able to enter into my cloud, only once though. I do get interesting psychological experiences when I vibrate the letters AMS while awake. I’m wanting to experiment with vibrating the master masons word, and see if that goes anywhere special. As far as traveling, I was able to see a large glowing yellow ball of something in a sea of black vibrating stuff. I entered into it, and experienced a feeling of like a rainbow washing over me, or an intense heat and then a feeling of water being dumped on me. Very surreal and strange. Completely sober too, and during the middle of the day while awake.

>>40574271
By definition, Gnosticism shirks the material as an evil. Neoplatonism recognises the good in the material. Contradictory.

>>40577741

>Freemasonry

Now you're asking the right stuff. Look, the Alawites have a certain book called "The Book of Eldership", "Kitab Al-Mashyakha" which is, in essence, a manual of traditions specific to the shaykhs, who use it in the same way that liturgical rank manuals are used that is, as foundational guides to the practices a religious man must adhere to. It is by following these rites that he earns the respect of those present. The shaykh is expected to memorize it by heart, and it is considered shameful to rely on reading from the text. This is one of the reasons a certain class monopolizes the performance of religious duties. It has become customary for certain families to pass down these traditions. The manuscript in my possession is this very book, employed by those religious men and commonly known as the Kitab Qiyam Al-Salah [Book of the Standing Prayer], because its first words are “Qiyam Al-Salah” [the Standing of the Prayer]."

The book is obviously full of encrypted and ciphered terminology so that the symbolized concepts remain hidden, if ever were it to be leaked. The book includes rituals, invocations, the instruction on how to initiate a disciple, as well as various rulings such as those concerning marriage and death, all of which are esoteric.

There are four mystical prayers, the Halabi, the Wasti, the Imami, and the Quddas (The Mass Prayer), a lot of which are remnants of pre-Islamic practices. I must note the resemblance of such customs to Christian and Jewish rituals, which were all syncretized by none other than a man named Abu Sa'id Al-Tabarani, this guy has a crazy fucking story and his teachings are really interesting, we can discuss it on Discord if you want.

>>40578609
Gnosticism isn't about creating dual notions of good and evil. It's actually more like integrating those two things. Gnosis is just self knowledge.

>>40578884

Okay okay, now here is the Masonic shit:

Among these is the tradition that ten individuals stand behind the naqib, the najib, and the imam, forming a circular ring. If their number exceeds ten, the additional participants stand outside the first circle and form a second one, open toward the imam’s side. Other traditions include the use of rainwater collected in the month of Nisan [April], called the 'Rain of the Call' (Matar al-Daʿwah).

Other practices include placing the right hand upon the chest during prayer in the form of a right angle, this resembles the Masonic ritual posture, with the thumb pointing upward and the fingers downward, a symbolic gesture of a group called the Qamaris who believe that the moon is a manifestational projection of the Abrahamic god, basically they sanctify it and use it as a medium to glorify him.

This is opposed to a group called the Haydaris (which is by the way the group alawiteanon belongs to), whom place the thumb at the center of the right palm and close the fingers over it, symbolizing the hidden, unseen nature of the divine and the denial of its manifestation as the moon.

It is permissible for both groups to pray together, each using its respective symbolic gesture, and fuck anybody that tells you they dislike each other or something that's pure bullshit. They also personalize every element of the prayer as living archetypes, some of which don't make sense to me such as the almsgiving to the elder which is symbolized as the universal soul/anima mundi.

>>40577741

>at least our first two degrees and theirs.

I must add that the practices and prayers I just presented to you are also belonging to first and second initiation of Alawism, so on point man! Yeah and also the initiatory system itself is similar.

>Also anyway I could talk to you outside of this thread?

Yeah sure I wanna talk with somebody about this stuff it fucking kills me whenever I learn a ton of new shit about anything and then have to conceal it in my chest for a long period of time and not have anybody to discuss it with no fuck that

Here is my discord:

joyofyou

>>40577770

Congrats bro, you have officially been spiritually initiated.

>>40578896
Are you seriously trying to arbitrarily change the definition for Gnosticism to essentially just mean philosophy or self-help? Gnostic texts, even pre-Christian gnostic texts are clearly dualistic.

>>40578918
You think gnosticism didn't exist until christianity? lol

>>40578918
Christian gnosticism is commentary on christianity through a gnostic lens. The things that ordinary christianity ignores, gnosticism adds. It's not that complicated. You just think all of the ideas weren't relative to the context they were using, when they ENTIRELY were.

>>40578941
>>40578948
How are you this illiterate

>>40578954
You're missing the point. There's a difference between the dualism of worlds/experiences and the dualism of values like good and evil. Of course there are two worlds (inner/outer). I'm not denying the presence of that. I'm saying the CHRISTIAN lens added the good and evil to this. Plato, a gnostic who came before Christianity, does not say the physical world is "evil". Early christians interpreted it this way until it was later corrected in neoplatonism.

>>40578991
>Plato, a gnostic

>>40578903
Oh, man, there you go again. What's with Alawiteanon's (and yours) fixation with masonry? Is it some kind of need to belong, after immigrating to the west? A bit of inferiority complex? Come on! I lost a lot of respect for Alawiteanon following his mason obsession.

Also, that disconcerting middle eastern acceptance/lack of conviction: "We think that there are four souls! The jews think there are five! Plato talks of three! Our neighbors say there are seven! Let's spend the whole afternoon chatting about that!" One assumes that, having access to the upper realities for the last five or six millenia, the number of souls should have been already stablished with some degree of precision.

And all that excessive glibness.

>>40579417

I think if you have any idea about philosophy is that language differs and how you define a concept, but the understanding is pretty much the same. Also, no obsession over Masonry, anon asked a question, I answered. It's funny you call it obsession when that's literally the practices the Alawites have, I am not sure what you're trying to object to here.

>>40579475
Okay. Imagine this is /out/, and you claim to belong to the Enkidu Rangers, and ancient middle eastern tradition of wild men extraordinaire, in direct contact with the animal spirits. After coming to the west, you want to join the boy scouts which, by the way, have a lot of parallels with the Enkidu Rangers, you know.
> Massive grativas loss.
Not to mention that the boy scouts are an essentially benign organization, unlike the masons.
Also, why spend so much time talking about the two first initations, which are clearly bullshit, and comparing initiation traditions, when the point of all this is that you can, supposedly, prove that God is manifest, and the idea cloud readily accesible?
> "I witnessed god", so let's talk about the minutiae of the ancient rituals of my people and the masons.
I just find that disconcerting. But it's probably because I don't get it.

>>40579916
NTA.
"I witnessed god" means something different to Alawites and gnostics than it does to Catholics, for instance. Maybe that's why you don't get it. You need to understand what that means. Not translate it into whatever you believe, but understand other people on their terms.

>>40580296
You're certainly right. Please excuse me, I got carried away. ME spirituality threads are among the best of /x/, I'll keep in the background. My excuses to OP.

>>40577741
>royal arch masons

Know what you are supporting.

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>>40579916

I don't want to become a boy scout, that is for sure.

>why spend so much time talking about the two first initations, which are clearly bullshit

Woah buddito, when it's said that they are bullshit, they aren't bullshit in the sense that it's false information, it's just layers on top of layers of esoteric exegesis and more context.

For example, second initiation says Muhammad was the logos of god and that god appeared as ali, further into alawism you discover that yes it's true, but not that of the highest god, but a demiurge. See, more context.

>>40579916

We can talk about whatever you want, the thread is dying, and most replies are confused people save a few questions. Ask anything!

>>40572407
from what I understand this is correct

>>40572312 (OP)
>Alawite religion AMA
you mean the cum eating gangbang religion?!

>>40581929

stfu nigtard

>>40581941
"niggers" deserve more respect than pajeets larping as middle easterners.

>>40581947

wtv u say nigtard

>>40582003
>"wise" pajeet thinks we are the same person
schizo fuck, take meds

>>40581827
Thanks, fren. Okay, something that has been haunting me a bit. Is Alawiteanon a deliberate leak, meaning, approved by his faith? It looks like, in several key historical moments, there have been leaks like this. Maybe the christian gnostics and perhaps the mishnaic jews. The templars, also.

Did you know that St. Bernard of Clairvaux, who promoted the Knights Templar and was nephew of one of the founders, was also an intimate friend of St. Malachy, who built the first Irish Cistercian abbey (Old Mellifont) within a few miles of Newgrange (it was within the holding of the abbey)? Old Mellifont was staffed with french monks. St. Bernard had two of the gates (Jerusalem via the Templars and Newgrange via Malachy) under his control for more than a decade.
There are funny coincidences like that buried in the history of the gate places. So, if the leak is deliberate, why now?

>>40582578

Look, they will always attain concealment for their deepest secrets, what alawiteanon revealed isn't the deepest stuff in alawism, it's just an oversimplified version for the introductory keys to the actual real teachings. He says he was approved by his elders to leak a few stuff to allude people to the truth of reality from their lens.

And nope, this isn't the first time something like this happens nor is it the last time, every now and then, someone is sent to deliberately allude to this stuff, in every age. It's an inevitable thing basically, and such leaks about Alawism have always been there, it's just be contextualized and connected accurately by alawiteanon through the keys given by his elders, because even if their most profound text was to be leaked, it still has keys.

I'll give you an example, there is a very symbolic poem about an Alawite elder that goes as the following:

He reached and he cast off,
He believed and he disbelieved,
He deemed the dog better than man,
Sleep is better than prayer,
Death is better than life,
Killing is better than almsgiving,
Hellfire is better than Paradise,
The Fire is better than Paradise,
The Sea is better than the Earth,

>>40583194

Let's be honest, most people here wouldn't have interpreted the above's intended meanings correctly save a few, here is the explanation:

“He believed and he disbelieved”:

He affirmed the truth about god and the I AM while simultaneously concealing his knowledge from the ignorant.

“He deemed the dog better than man”:

The dog is a symbol for the spirit (Roah), and man is a symbol for the corporeal body, here it's obvious: the spirit is better than the body, because it is the one that sustains and governs it by the divine influx which it receives from a cloud called the Spirit of Life (Ruh Al-Hayat)/ Without the spirit, the body has no order or stability. It is called ruh/roah due to its subtlety, delicacy, and refinement of spirituality, and it is called nafs [soul] because it is the most precious (anfas) thing within the human being. He likened it to a dog due to its loyalty and protection of the body, which is its house.

“Sleep is better than prayer”:

If Alawiteanon didn't reveal the alawite understanding of the clouds, this passage would seem puzzling. Other than the fact it refers to night travel, the meaning of sleep here is that it refers to the stillness of the human lower faculties and the suspension of sensory perception, with one's sight veiled from all that the fatty eyes see, from the domain of sensory vision, he may become receptive to the perception of the I AM/The Greatest Essence, this is better than the ritual of prayer since it remains tied to formalism without true meaning.

The true salah is derived from Arabic word "ittisal" which means connection, whenever it is said to keep up the salah, it means keeping up the connection to the Godhead.

Makzun Al-sinjari, an alawite sinjari prince, said in a poem:

“In misguidance I witnessed guidance, and sleep is better than your prayers and your sleeplessness.”

Basically, fuck prayer, it doesn't work, just night travel.

>>40583256

“Death is better than life”:

Deatg here refers to the death of transient attributes and imaginary forms, those which rise from sensory vision, their annihilation, by removal from the Above, is better than their persistence, i.e., being falsely affirmed in related to the Godhead, their death is purification, their persistence is illusion.

“Killing is better than almsgiving" (zakat):

So too, killing here refers to the elimination of all that the eyes perceive, those things which, through human vision, are thought to belong to the cloud essence: namely change, transformation, alternation, and other such attributes of temporality and embodiment. It is necessary to “kill” these things, that is, to negate them from the cloud essence. Their annihilation is better than to “purify” them (tazkiyah), meaning, to falsely confirm them as part of the Intelligible Reality. For they are contingent, created.

“Hellfire is better than Paradise”:

Hellfire here signifies the Yaqin, in the quran it says: "Nay! If you but knew with the knowledge of certainty (ilm al-yaqin), you would surely see the Hellfire. Then you shall surely see it with the Eye of Certainty (ayn al-yaqin).”
(102:5–7)

Basically, its recognition and the realization of its truth is better than the fleeting bliss of the lower world. In this reading, Hell is the station of unveiled certainty, while paradise is but symbolic reward The Ilm Al-Yaqin being the true gnosis, the convergence of divine attributes, and the luminous sea of profound unity and interconnectedness with all of creation, boundless compassion and infinite potential, where the mysteries of existence unfold.

>>40583319

"The Fire is better than Paradise":

Here it refers to the Fire of Moses, which is actually the Fire of Prometheus but rebranded into Abrahamicism, the luminous flame seen on the right side of the Mount. The gnosis of this Fire's existence is better than the Paradise of the ignorant Muslims, which is nothing but lowly world with its vain adornments (wine, harem, food, drinks, etc).

"The Sea is better than the Earth”:

The sea here refers to the world-soul, expressed through the celestial spheres, it is the concealed ocean, and it is better than this debased earth, which is the abode of exotericists and literalist ignorants.

Anyways, all of this ranting is to basically show you that whenever anything is said, it's spoken through symbolism and has its keys, and the above that I have shared is one example of such keys.

>>40583337

Also are you Hiramystics from Discord?

>>40572312 (OP)
>im not alawite anon
>ama
Man, go fuck yourself with your astroturfing and samefagging

>>40583364

I wish I was alawite, still awaiting initiation haha

>>40572326
>Abrahamic

NURSE!

Retard needs his shot again!

can a dybbuk give you seizures?

>>40583349
No, I'm not Hiramystics. I spent some time at Alawiteanon's discord a year ago, but namefagging really stresses me, and real life got in the way. I prefer to be here. I'm very grateful for the thread.
I'm following Alawiteanon's leads (history, geography, even physics), and I'm trying to reach the Yaqin by my own means. I think I understand things better in a kabbalist frame (grandma was sephardic, maybe I'm wired that way). If I succeed, I intend to report here.
> The dog is a symbol for the spirit (Roah),
Heh, a week ago I discussed the figure of the dog in a kabbalah thread. Following the Zohar, I believed it was related to the dud (a base version of oneself, that grows dangerously as one ascends). I believe other, wiser anons agreed more with your interpretation.
From the poem, I still don't understand why Alawites are so despective of the material. Isn't it part of the world of emanation? It is not the fountain, pure and cold, but it is the fertile delta. There is a well treaded path into evil in that concept of this world as wretched and imperfect: you can trace many destructive western ideologies to that very idea.
I guess I'll have to go and see. The mystical way is the only way.

>>40572312 (OP)
If you trully have some of the oral tradition / inner knowledge then what would you like to add to what Alawiteanon said.
What do you think he omited ?
What do you think are the most important points that he omited ?

I asked Alawiteanon this and never got a sufficient response. Specifically, what books that are available talk about the Yaoim? Or talk about demiurge or talk about astral projection? He gave me books that were all here say and could allude to a different topic. Nothing was concrete. Can you provide names of such texts that specifically talk about astral projection?

>>40572312 (OP)
Why do you not accept Abdullah Hashem Aba Al-Sadiq (fhip) as the Mahdi of our time, as he has translated Al-Haft Al-Shareef into English and also has revealed that Ibn Nusayr and Abu’l Khattab (pbut) is with him?