This man performed an extremely vigorous and difficult ritual which ultimately ended with him burying himself alive til he starved or dehydrated to death. I wonder if the Christians or other mystics in the old days occasionally demonstrated willpower such as this or if it is cultishly advanced. The point of this ritual is to break the cycle of death and rebirth by preserving your soul in your body while having obtained inner peace. Regardless, this is absolute proof that meditation can allow you to cultivate new emotional and mental states aside from other body control techniques it might allow.

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>>40612100
No it wasn't

In old Christian Europe, an uncorrupted body was a sign of a pure life.
If a nigga didn't rot after two weks, then he must have been really holy.

>>40612100
I'm sorry. Chatgpt gave me a lot of tips about my writing. In the meantime, I had it compose this actual bot post summary:

> A man undertook an intense ritual ending in self-burial, starving to death to break the cycle of rebirth by preserving his soul in his corpse. It prompts the question: did other mystics ever reach such extremes, or is this unique to this tradition? Either way, it shows how meditation can radically transform the mind, emotions, and body.

>>40612146
They discard the bodies of the monks who are not successfully preserved, and in their beliefs the monks that rot have failed in spite of having gone through with the trial successfully.

>>40612146
What it really shows is a lack of flesh decomposing parasites like Candida which I guess is probably Demons anyways

>>40611828 (OP)

Now give that poor man another cigarette already .... :(

>>40611828 (OP)
“This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.” (Ecclesiastes 9:3)

>>40612154
Stop using it. Now.

>>40611828 (OP)
what is so magical about sunglasses that it turns a pruned dead body into a fucking cool dude

>>40612321
they go on special diet of tree bark sap and other shit to kill off any parasites and bacteria in there gut that may cause decomposing
>>40611828 (OP)
if you want a christian equivilant look into the stylite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylite

>>40611828 (OP)
Oh wow so every religion has its nutjobs

>>40613148
memetics and cultural brainwashing
shits extremely magical how object as symbols can make you feel a certain way even though said symbols object have no inherent relationship to said thing
like text on a screen can make you laugh cry or rage out and all it is is light arranged in a certain order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAG7pye0V1g&list=RDEAG7pye0V1g&start_radio=1

>>40613148
It hides your eyes

Buddhists are great teachers, I pray for their escape from the matrix. Escape, get out of this slave planet.
Peace upon them.

>>40611828 (OP)
the Dalai Lama is supposed to be the most enlightened buddhist yet even he is still reincarnating every single time. what is the point of this religion if the regular believers cannot achieve the end results? total scam

>>40612154
I also edited this after chatgpt edited it. I like this version desu. I could refine it more.
>>40615474
Supposedly he comes back to save everyone else. Also he is not the holiest, he is just the highest ranking monk in any sect, and so the people just rallied around him when tibetan Buddhism was being threatened. I think only a minority of Buddhists actually follow his sect in his country.
>>40614550
Yeah but this sect of monks think that the answer is to stop the cycle of rebirth into ignorance. Another answer could be killing all life. Another answer could be individually escaping. Another answer could be constructing all of reality into an unbreakable permanent shape, so chaos can never spring forth new life.

>>40611828 (OP)
buddhist dont believe in the soul. they are a incomplete religion

>>40616502
Some branches do. I'm not sure if this one does. A lot of them think their is an ego even if they think there isn't an atman. I think this particular ceremony has some flaws tho but I admire some of the logic and discipline and meditative skill.

>>40616502
Some branches do. I'm not sure if this one does. A lot of them think there is a spirit even if they think there isn't a soul. I think this particular ceremony has some flaws tho but I admire some of the logic and discipline and meditative skill.

>>40616735
There is no form of buddhism that believes in a soul. A core tenet of all Buddhism is anatman, or no-soul. What is often referred to as a "soul" in Buddhist thought is just a temporary alignment of energies or sensory aggregates, depending on interpretation. At death, these elements disperse back into the environment and recombine elsewhere, which is why Buddhism rejects the idea of a permanent soul while still allowing for reincarnation.

>>40618075
https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/uncollected/ThreePerceptions.html
>And finally anattā is translated as not-self. Sometimes you see it translated as “no self,” but the Buddha never took a position on the question of whether there is or is not a self. He noted that if you hold on to the idea that you have no self, that view itself then becomes an object of clinging, in the same way that the view that you have a self, however you define it, would also become an object of clinging. So instead, he has you look at self and not-self both as actions.

>>40618075
>Some Buddhists, particularly within the Dhammakaya movement in Thailand, believe in a "true self" located within the body, which can be accessed through meditation. Additionally, some interpretations of Mahayana Buddhism, particularly in the context of emptiness, suggest a more nuanced understanding of self that is not necessarily a complete rejection of the concept.

>>40618169
>he has you look at self and not-self both as actions.
So not being. So denying eternal soul.
Lots of weasel words to just agree that Buddhism has no soul.

>>40618432
You deny the buddha is separate from me yet respect his opinion more on the topic of Buddhism. Curious. What's YOUR problem?

>"the" Buddha
...anattasisters, our response?

>>40618464
Dont know what you think I said, but that was my only post, so I havent denied anything.
I only pointed out that was you quoted DOES say there is no eternal state, which atma and brahman are.
My problem is that buddhist preachers use weasel words and sophistry to mislead and lie to people.

>>40613304
>they go on special diet of tree bark sap and other shit to kill off any parasites and bacteria in there gut that may cause decomposing
long enough fasting meditations can produce this, no other shit required, just pure fucking cultivation
the monks who die before they are fully cleansed just didnt do it well enough

>>40615474
the essence of the bodhisattva vow is that one will keep coming back until they can save everyone
its a pretty tall task but there's a million lifetimes to get it done

>>40618075
>What is often referred to as a "soul" in Buddhist thought is just a temporary alignment of energies or sensory aggregates, depending on interpretation. At death, these elements disperse back into the environment and recombine elsewhere, which is why Buddhism rejects the idea of a permanent soul while still allowing for reincarnation.
this nigga dont know the difference between hun and po

>>40619880
>until they can save everyone
Who is this "everyone"? What is being "saved", if all beings are temporary?
What happens if they "save everyone", is that the end of samsara?

>>40619936
my understanding is that the universe is shaped like a torus, with a perpetual big bang at the center, so its more like a fountain
master nan huai chin in his enlightenment series indicated that there's a closing of sorts and one doesnt want karma to flow right into that universal trash compactor any more than they'd want to jump in a regular life trash compactor
the antidote to this is the spiritual process, whereby one gains the ability to raise his energy levels to such an extent that his baryonic matter becomes fused with the spirit and untethers from the spacetime membrane
he also said there are 3 ways to enter a realm - by the womb, by the egg, and spontaneous manifestation
the enlightenment process, when completed, allows for entry and exit in this spontaneous way, the ability to choose location with this in mind
with enough energy potential, he mused to himself, you can go anywhere

>>40619973
>my understanding
But I am asking about Buddhist understanding, which would not include a "perpetual" anything.
>one doesnt want karma to flow
What "one"? Is this "one" anything other than a temporary body and temporary mind?
Nothing you wrote actually addresses my questions.
I will ask them again.
Who is this "everyone"? What is being "saved", if all beings are temporary?
What happens if they "save everyone", is that the end of samsara?

>>40611828 (OP)
he wanted to achieve lichdom

>>40619422
That makes sense. My thinking of it is more that "Where does the separation between you and the universe exist? Where is the axis of your identity that everything else resolved around? There is literally no such thing as you."

>>40620741
>Where does the separation between you and the universe exist?
What directly is controlled by my whim.
>Where is the axis of your identity that everything else resolved around?
The unending and incontrovertible persistence of self.
>There is literally no such thing as you."
No.
Though you may deny YOUR self all you wish.
Maybe YOUR sense of self is weaker. Maybe it doesnt exist, like you say.
That is not my experience, my sense of self.
That may mean every single Buddhists back to Gautama was entirely wrong and have no self. I dont know.
But I know the fundamental, inescapable truth is eternal self.

>>40619986
>one doesnt want karma to flow
pedantic extractions/reinterpretations of what was written

>>40621977
>complete inability to address the questions

>>40621473
I think there can be an eternal spirit of a person. I'm not sure if there is an eternal soul. The body is temporary.

>>40623519
>spirit/soul
Stop using vague, western terms that have flipped meanings back and forth all the time. It pointless semantics.
I am talking about eternal self. Atma.

Soul = You that exists magically no matter what, if this is real it is the truest version of you.

Spirit = A concept of you or memes related to you.

Body = You are your brainstem, or you don't really exist anywhere and are a phenomenon emergent of your body's various interacting internal systems

>>40624031
These are commonly used words in every day language. Atman isn't even well clarified. It can basically be a soul or it can be an ego. Atman is literally just the idea that you are an individual entity separate from totality.

>>40625223
>Soul = You that exists magically no matter what
See you changed it again. Most that make the distinction say soul is your memories, personality, etc. And is not eternal.
Spirit is the eternal part of self

This is why I say the whole nomenclature system should be abandoned because it doesnt have consistent use.
>body(ksetra) - the temporary, material sense of self made up of gross elements - earth, water, fire, air, space
>manas - the temporary, material sense of self made up of the subtle/astral elements mind, intelligence, and ego
>atma - the eternal, immutable self

>>40625232
>separate from totality.
Absolutely not. Not in any way. A distinct part of totality is NOT separate from totality.
tat tvam asi
A number is the infinitesimal point on the number line. It in no way is separate from the number line, nor anything other than the number line.
But one point is not the number line.

>>40625235
Anon your personality changes over time and your memories fade and are often wrong. I think personality, emotions, and memories are part of your body. Personality and memories of you could be part of your spirit though, I think.

>>40625249
>Anon your personality changes over time and your memories fade and are often wrong.
Yes. "Soul" means anything from that changing, immediate self, to an eternal self, to (quite ironically) spirit of an endeavor, to a type of music. Very very badly defined, and why the terms should be abandoned.
>??I think personality, emotions, and memories are part of your body.
Yes. They are manas. The subtle, temporary body.
You are seeing the superiority of the Katha Upanishad's model.

>>40625244
Yes, I think totality is one of the strongest arguments for anatta and I find it compelling.

but from a lovecraftian or scifi perspective, one could collect all the mass and become totality, perhaps.

>>40625263
Then you completely failed to understand. Totality does not in any way suggest anatta. Self is eternally distinct, and never separate. There is no not-self.
That conclusion is the fundamental and categorical error that results from buddhism and bottom up inquiry in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylite

>>40625276
yes it does, that and impermanence is why there is anatta

>>40625276
>Semantics upon semantics on the masturbation website

>>40625420
And again, maybe YOU search the fundamental aspect of self and find nothing there.
I do, and experience eternal self.
Maybe you just dont have an atma?
>>40625706
>eternal vs temporary is a semantic distinction
You are retarded. Let others talk.

>>40628205
Yeah, I'm a hylic. Now get off my material plane, gaijin. Locals only.

>>40628321
Maybe. I dont accept that there can be life without atma, but that could be wrong.
Or Buddhism is, and that is more likely.
>my
But you arent there.
Why cant you remain on the level of anatta? Why is that experience and perspective ALWAYS temporary?
While experience of self will ALWAYS remain as the eternal base.