Prove to me that this universe came from anything other than an all powerful, all knowing, eternal being

>>40625940 (OP)
I can't, because it did.
This universe IS an all powerful all knowing all good being.

>>40627026
This makes no sense. How can creation be its own creator?

>>40627835
Pantheism. The universe is seemingly infinite and eternal, it's quite logical. We get to experience it on earth too. Every single blade of grass that ever grew on our earth was different from the next. An infinitely small difference in some cases, but an infinity of difference nonetheless.

>>40625940 (OP)
Earth is flat; space is fake. That's what atheists want you to believe anyway.

>>40625940 (OP)
Alleluia.

gravity

>>40627913
Gravity?

>>40627852
The universe is not eternal. The universe had a beginning.

>>40627852
>The universe is seemingly infinite and eternal, it's quite logical.
But it's not logical. There is no way for complexity, multiplicity, and order to arise out of nothing. A Mind must exist first, to define the distinctions and structures and rules that govern the manifold. And before there can be a Mind, there must be an Intention, and before there can be an Intention, there must be a Spirit, which is unconditioned Being-Awareness.

>>40625940 (OP)
If you close your eyes in blackness long enough you will start to see random images and scenes forming. The answer has never been authoritarianism in any scenario and it's still not authoritarianism as the origin.

>>40625940 (OP)
Nah. You prove to me that this universe came from an all powerful, all knowing, eternal being. And I mean actual concrete proof, not scripture or retarded teleological arguments.

>>40625940 (OP)
Prove to me this Universe came from an all-powerful being.

>>40628025
It's literally the only thing that makes logical sense

>>40628054
So you have no fucking clue. Thanks for playing.

>>40628054
To you. Because you already believe. Now you have to convince people who don't believe, and with a much higher degree of respect for the word "evidence".

>>40628017
>logic
You don't know how spirit works. Try and imagine the opposite of logic.

>>40628025
if your existence and the shared experience of living isn't enough to get you thinking, then nothing will. as above, so below.

>>40627937
Says you. Look it up, the science is not settled.

>>40625940 (OP)
I was there. It didn't.

>>40625940 (OP)
no, like shit its right there in the name, uni-verse, one song.

If I manifest a unicorn in front of your face, now you have to try and explain how the unicorn happened using logic. The logic came from the reaction to seeing something unexplainable but it was the unexplainable thing that happened first. Being came first.

>>40628270
The chance is low but never 0 that matter would just arrange itself into a fully functional unicorn by sheer probability.

>>40628365
You don't understand the purpose of what I'm saying. You're supposed to enlighten your perspective but you keep holding on to the lower level logic perspective. Let it go.

>>40628069
It's not logical to assume that the cosmos is uncreated. The One must precede the Many.

>>40628391
>ask a question with an earthly answer
>receive an earthly response
>HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME
I'm sorry this is happening to you.

>>40628400
Why does everything need to work by logic? Who decided that this invisible force should govern everything? No such thing exists.

>>40628270
dont even waste your time on these demonic losers

>>40628400
Why not? Because everything else is? Is everything else really is? Take wind, it's the result of underlying conditions, it's never created. Yet it is.
Can't nothingness be the underlying condition for "somethingness" or oneness? For nothing is a thing.

>>40625940 (OP)
The universe isn’t infinitely large, it’s not infinitely old, and it doesn’t seem to contain infinite information or infinite combinations of things.
If this universe was created by an infinite being, why doesn’t it represent or embody infinity? It’s just very large and very old and very long lasting, from our perspective.

>>40628365
A reddit tier argument calls for a reddit meme.

>>40627937
The universe isn't even real. The 'afterlife' is the real world.

>>40628453
Nothing you experience can precede the unitary ground of awareness in general.

>>40628552
It's just a simulation. There is no "external reality" outside the Mind.

>>40627852
Every blade is different only because the possibility space is so large. It’s large but not infinite. There are only so many ways you can arrange matter in a 3D space so that it resembles a blade of grass and even fewer that also function as one. If the universe was actually infinite then one day the blades of grasses will start to loop. So will the people and the planets and the stars and in fact that would mean there are infinite versions of ourselves having this conversation going all the way forward and back in time. It would also mean the universe would be totally saturated with light from the infinite duration of stars burning and darkness would not exist anywhere. But that’s not the case today.

>>40628641
>vindaloop
No, for it to happen, perfect circles would exist. They don't even if it seems to be one of the shapes creation tends towards. You could clone blades of grass from the exact same material, put them in an enclosed space with perfectly controlled night and day cycles, constant wind and clean ground with the right nutrients, they will NEVER adopt the same molecular structure, their roots will grow differently and the blades will not be perfect copies even generations after generations.
Your thought experiment is flawed.

>>40628693
You’re not thinking on a large enough scale, not truly conceiving infinity. Roots in dirt is a great example. Take a cubic meter of dirt. Within that cubic meter, there are a limited number of ways to arrange things. This number is very big, even shifting a single atom of dirt the tiniest distance is another permutation. But it’s not infinity, it’s just very very large. But any non-infinite number is infinitely far from infinity. If you truly had infinite time you could sit there and create every permutation of roots in dirt in a cubic meter space. You would finish and have them all in front of you. That wouldn’t be possible for a truly infinite task, like writing down every number. That would eat up all your infinite time.

>>40628734
But you're forgetting impermanence, matter is never fully constrained and always in motion.
Once again, your thought experiment is flawed. They imply time is fixed.