How are contemptorary witches so interested in magical practice but so spiritually weak?

>>40630116 (OP)
low fidelity practices

>>40630116 (OP)
Because they're charlatans. The real ones are in plain sight, but nobody would know

>>40630116 (OP)
dunno. could never be me.

>>40630116 (OP)
How do you measure spiritual strength?

>>40630915
with my psychic powers

>>40630116 (OP)
because they dont understand the system that exists in the balance between purity and corruption.
they exist in a state of perpetual corruption assuming its perpetual power.

>>40630966
to be honest i got yelled at by witches for saying i dont think worshipping satan is a good idea which is why i made this thread

>>40630993
it isnt.
1. worship is for sheep.
2. you should worship yourself instead.

turn your meatsuit into the god you worship,
you dont need a skydaddy, that isnt there anyways.

-become- the GIGAchad you were born to be.

>>40631003
i had a friend tell me things in the void but he never asked for anything.

>>40631007
>i had a friend
>he never asked for anything.

figure that one out...

>>40631012
i think i understand

>>40631021
a friend that never asks for anything, is a friend that expected you to make that decision yourself.
thats why my focus was on the "had a friend".

>>40631031
friends are good for us

>>40630993
>to be honest i got yelled at by witches for saying i dont think worshipping satan is a good idea which is why i made this thread
Whatd they say?

>>40631035
i wouldnt know...

>>40630116 (OP)
Because.most of them do it for attention. A lot of modern "witchcraft", is glorified arts and crafts, and that shit is like crack for hippy chicks and landwhales starved for attention and validation.
Some are seriously spiritual, but most chicks are shallow, and thus they are spiritually shallow.

>>40631047
they said like "I'd ~really~ appreciate if you stopped talking down on me and being so judgemental? Satan is my god, you dont need to be such a bigot saying it might be dangerous to worship satan. you have to be respectful of other people's beliefs"
and im like come on i actually believe in this stuff ive had experiences of hell you should be taking things way more seriously than being tolerant of everything people say.
>>40631052
would you like to be my friend?
>>40631061
i guess so. immediately heard people talking about "christian trauma" so it must just be a racket. but its a shame you cant find actual people practicing bronze age style occultism

>>40631066
>they said like "I'd ~really~ appreciate if you stopped talking down on me and being so judgemental? Satan is my god, you dont need to be such a bigot saying it might be dangerous to worship satan. you have to be respectful of other people's beliefs"
Okay, so newage brainrot then. Sounds like you stumbled upon some attention seeking hoes, or who knows, theybwoukd legit be evil.
Thing is, is that you can replace that sort of thinking with literally any deity. Just replace satan with Cthulhu, and it has the same logical weight.

Also
>christian trauma
Yep, mentally ill, attention seeking hoes. Thats just how people are bro.

>>40631066
the amusing part about this is that "Satan" isnt even an actual entity, just a meme

>>40630915
not op but im going to judge your spiritual strength on your control over yourself and your environment

not your ability to 'sense' or anything, but the strength of your soul and essence is directly tied to your fortitude, willpower, and physical vitality

someone with weak willpower and fortitude can easily be swayed and pushed around,

someone who is sure of themselves, KNOWS who they are, and have power over their body and mind to me is spiritually strong, i feel like you can exert your energy and //focus// on anything better

>>40631003
>-become- the GIGAchad you were born to be.
if i'm male how do i become a gigastacy instead

>>40630762

>>40630116 (OP)
Junko is Lucifer

>>40631517
This ^^^^^

(STOP IDENTIFYING WITH FLESH AS YOUR PRIMARY EMANATION OF BEING. FLESH REFLECTS SPIRIT, THROUGH HORMONES, OPPORTUNITIES, ETC.)

>>40632289
HAHA. I SAID TOO MUCH! YOU SAD SACKS OF SHIT CANNOT HANDLE MY AMAZING KNOWLEDGE. I'M TH3 B3ST.

>>40632289
You're a Genius!

>>40630116 (OP)
Danganronpa mentioned

>>40630116 (OP)
sexy art.

>>40630993
where do you find witches?

>>40632303
>THROUGH HORMONES,
i gotta take hrt?

>>40630116 (OP)
I mean, there's academics who study religions but spiritually.. aren't anything.
Even among occult magicians it's not a universal standard to be "spiritual".
A lot of people work magic without being "psychic" or "spiritually elevated".

>>40632441
do you really believe that?
that it's possible to not be anything?
that you can just put on a 'serious academic hat' and now your whole world is sterile and dry?
or conversely, that a homeless schizophrenic person having a manic episode is actually having a spiritual experience?

>>40632473
What do you mean, "believe"? That there are secular or atheist academics who study religion?
Lmao youtube is full of such dry and sterile "intellectuals".

>>40632490
>this and that, and this and that
you are 98% exactly the same as those people but you have convinced yourself you are not the same because you both profess some different type of bullshit.

>>40632541
Heh? I'm a Shia Muslim who's simply describing the existence of certain people.
There's lots of folks who fancy themselves as mystics or magicians.
And all while largely being atheists.

>>40632437
Nah, your hormones and receptors will naturally be modified if your alignment and energy supply is sharp enough. HRT helps in creating the momentum though.

>>40632876
>Nah, your hormones and receptors will naturally be modified if your alignment and energy supply is sharp enough.
How do I do this to completely change my body?

>>40630116 (OP)
Some Wiccans are only into the magick. COVID destroyed a lot of covens because it seems that no one is interested in physical meetings anymore. Heck, I saw one 'witch' become a" Christian" in order to get married to one. 'C'est la Vie'!

>>40633375
so there's no more covens? I won't be able to get a witch GF in a coven?

>>40630116 (OP)
most are hobbyists

>>40633375
>>40633918
Remote covens or 6 feet away covens just don't hit all that good.

>>40630116 (OP)
Everyone wants to be a bodybuilder but nobody wants to lift any heavy ass weights
Same logic applies with magic/spirituality. Everyone wants to claim to have secret knowledge, mystical experiences, but actually doing the work to get to that point is fucking hard and most people don't have what it takes to do it. That's the vast majority of people on this planet, I HIGHLY doubt you'd find a legit magician or witch on this board of all places, 99.99999 percent of people here are energy vampires. This goes for men and women btw, women are actually more naturally talented with magic generally but they lack the autistic focus men have when they become obsessed with something.

>>40633295
i did this but the methods were improper and i permanently damaged my mind permanently. there might be a safe way to do it but ive personally confirmed that if you add a complicated jinx to the spell it will succeed more likely

>>40630116 (OP)
>How are contemptorary witches so interested in magical practice but so spiritually weak?
Because their interest is essentially materialistic hedonism, they just want to control matter and matter related stuff.

>>40630116 (OP)
>contemptorary witches

The vast majority of modern "witches" aren't doing anything even remotely resembling historical witchcraft. Charlatans have repackaged random shit like fucking Chakra meditations as "witchcraft" for a female empowerment larp

>>40634122
when you say "historical witchcraft" you're probably just referring to roman propaganda though. would be funny if modern witches walked entrails around a tree though

>>40634095
>magic/spirituality
We need to decouple those terms instead of combining them with slashes. There are major differences in goals, methods and metaphysics between someone practicing basic samatha and vipasanna, someone practicing magic from a grimoire like Liber Juratus, someone empowered to practice a Vajrayana sadhana like Vajrakilaya, etc etc.

>>40634131
yahwiggers try to practice spirituality without magic too

>>40634095
Actual magician on this board. Hold your tongue!

>>40630116 (OP)
Check r/witchesvspatriarchy or r/witchcraft. Some of these bitches probably can actually cast basic spells but I doubt many of them get any further than praying over candles because it doesn't really seem like much more than an ~*aesthetic*~. The first rule is DON'T TALK ABOUT IT and that's broken by most of them from the very beginning, so you can't really expect much more rigour or discipline if even the basics aren't there.

>>40634131
I suppose, if you subscribe to the idea of the Assemblage Point all mystical experiences and "enlightenment" works in the same way. The commonality shared between all systems that I know of is that you have to learn how to control your constantly flowing inner monologue so you can perceive reality as it really is, without the brainwashing kicking in and interpreting reality for you. It is not an easy thing to do, that goes without saying.
It's a contentious subject. I do think there are gems in all sorts of magical systems out there, but the majority of religions, especially a lot of Eastern ones like Hinduism, are filled with BS.

>>40634171
It's not exactly fight club or the "powers of the Sphinx". It would be impossible to organize a group work if you *never* talk about it. The real problem is the insta or tiktok-ification of what's supposed to be "occult" (ie, "hidden"). Of course, the alternative is to just work in small groups or alone.

>>40634171
I mean it CAN be talked about but that's how you get another inquisiton, not a great idea.

>>40631066
>would you like to be my friend?
do you really want to be my friend, anon?

>>40634208
Well there has to be a line somewhere and I think posting all your sweet bling and manicured fingernails for all the Internet to see is waaaay past it. I've accepted that, if there are actually people who treat this seriously and are willing to join up, I won't come across then on the Internet and they're unlikely to be advertising themselves IRL either.

>>40634221
yes.

>>40634225
Yeah, you have to choose your associates carefully. There's a few decent groups to be found online, but you have to watch for social media grifters and self-promoters.

>>40634101
Explain pls

>>40634236
lulz. Honestly, most Reddit boards on the topic are probably better than /x/, even just checking r/witchcraft for this thread makes me kind of jealous that they can have a discussion without every thread being shat up. Nonetheless I'm happy to remain one of the lost and damned trapped on this shitty website and empty altchans until the day I die.

>>40634250
Reddit is good for some things and 4chan is good for others. Because of the voting system on Reddit there tends to be a lot of groupthink compared to here, and free speech is generally a bit better on 4chan. But for more focused discussion on niche hobbies Reddit is a decent website.

>>40634229
>yes
you are too kind.
<3

>>40634130
It would still mostly be LARP. Until someone has visible, somewhat repeatable magic at their command, they are LARPing.

>>40631513
I agree with your opinion, the strength and control over one's own character is a good testament to their spiritual strength, as well as their ability to notice and grasp on spiritual concepts in people and in things too.

>>40634257
I don't think it's a secret that search engines have plummeted in quality over the past few years, if an answer for something isn't on Wikipedia I have to add "reddit" to my search and dig through old threads on there. Sad state of affairs.

>>40632289
No, she's just the embodiment of despair in human form.

>>40634242
well, it's black magic.
i dont want you to get hurt
but the simple fact of it is that if you put restrictions on yourself, your magic becomes stronger
this is why asceticism is so often practiced
it is a spiritual self sacrifice of a sort
but it's not limited to just a modest live
there are more and more extreme conditions you can place upon yourself to make your spell potent enough to work
i knew well enough to not use my soul, but for the incantation i had to make multiple vows in parallel to get what i desired.
because its black magic, the outcome feeds on its opposite and paradoxes. so in order to look the way i wanted i sacrificed the ability to see myself for what i am
and ive been extremely dissociated since because of this spell
my magical circuits are opened all the time now but there isnt really a self to concentrate upon and seal them.
it gives an okay talent for divination but its hard to function as a human being

>>40631513
nta but that's a flawed way of judging someone's power level.
Plenty of schizophrenics, people you'd consider insane and/or stupid who don't have a grip on their lives, are able to see into the second attention far better than most normies. Being well put together isn't a bad thing, but for me if someone is too focused on the worldly affairs of men they're a lot more "stuck", it's much much harder for them to do magic than someone who is more "loose"

>>40634130
It sounds like you're describing Roman accounts of Druids rather. And I wouldn't be surprised if the other anon meant something like "tradcraft" or "Sabbatic craft", which honestly isn't totally traditiional if such a thing can be spoken of. I'm not saying there isn't a possibility that authentic lineages of witchcraft or "folk cunning" can survive into the modern and post-modern world through close-knit and un-publicized groups.

>>40634413
yeah. that theory of witchcraft was just conjured by protestants who wanted to shirk the blame from the clerical necromantic underground imho

>>40630116 (OP)
a real theme in this simulation isnt it

>>40634461
Well, despite themselves magic filtered into Protestant communities anyway.

>>40634294
What were your methods and results?
I know what I want, I just want to know what the price is

>>40634517
sorry. that ritual is a secret. i want you to find the straightened path instead of compromise you. i dont think its responsible to tempt you, and i shouldnt have said this much

>>40634582
lol wtf kinda cockteasing gatekeeper are you? fucking hell... larp.

>>40634597
dont call me a larper. i wont give you the words but heres a hint for you
you need a magic mirror and blood. across its surface unleash a flood. if in right language, and clearly, you'll find a change to who you'll be. one moon will die and come to life, and at its peak you take up strife
if dashed upon a wild stone
what's in the mirror becomes your own
but what was you will now be broken
you'll wish the words were never spoken
you'll scatter about like leaves from tree
what's bought in blood is never free

>>40634653
yeah yeah yeah... the typical /ng/ larp spiel

>>40634676
feel free to think im second rate
it costs me nothing and saves your fate

>>40634597
While I'm here I can give you some easy tips on real magic if you want, not that dude who is an obvious LARPer.
First of all if you're unconvinced of the supernatural to begin with I'd recommend taking a hero dose of shrooms to loosen up your preconceptions about the nature of reality. Be careful not to rely on them though, don't become a junkie.
If you're looking for a way to start doing real non-BS magic I got you. This is a method developed by the spirit Little Smoke, it's quite ingenious and incredibly simple. To get started, make sure you have a completely pitch black dark room. If you can't do that get a sleeping mask on Amazon that blocks out light, it's like 6 bucks at most. Then, you sit your butt down in that dark room and silence the internal dialogue.
Lots of people have hang-ups regarding "silencing the internal dialogue", but I'm not telling you to shut off your critical thinking. All your thought-patterns have been taught to you by other people, the constant talking in your head is not "you", it's programming. Outside influence, which influences the way YOU view reality. Silence and control it, and you learn to perceive more than other people.
The cool thing about Dark Room is you can tell when you're LARPing and when you're seeing real magic. If you don't have any visible lights, puffs of color, etc., you are lying to yourself. If you do start to see things, keep up the good work! It's truly that simple to get started. Before you know it you'll be interacting with aliens, shapeshifting, flying, having all the past and future knowledge of humanity at your fingertips, being in two places at once, and more.

jfc why is every "magician" on here retarded?

>>40632473
>that you can just put on a 'serious academic hat' and now your whole world is sterile and dry?
Well yes, the effect has even been measured in psi phenomena research. Goats and sheep. Mindset changes the probability structure.

>>40634735
Aw yeah. This some Dean Radin shit right here.

>>40634130
>>40634413
I don't really have the energy to look up the exact case(I can if it makes a difference) but there was a legal distinction made in European courts based on the materials used of whether magic charms are or aren't considered "witchcraft". This legal definition also fits better with cross cultural concepts of "witchcraft" or rather "Sorcery that harms humans [害人的邪術]"

>>40634719
Now for the next big exercise I'll give you, it requires a bit of explanation. If you like Elder Scrolls, are you familiar with the concept of mantling?
>"The Stormcrown manted by way of the fourth: the steps of the dead. Mantling and incarnation are separate roads; do not mistake this. The latter is built from the cobbles of drawn-bone destiny. The former: walk like them until they must walk like you.
In Elder Scrolls, mantling is using the mystical power of reenactment in order to take on the role or "Mantle" of other beings. You know how a lot of kids, who are given the same programming as their parents, often end up becoming exactly like their parents?
What I'm going to show you how to do, is how to get hooked onto the intent of the ancient sorcerers of Mexico. You're going to walk like them, until they start to walk like you.
It might look silly, but all you need to do to prove to yourself whether it's real is silence your internal dialogue and see whether it produces colors in the dark room. If you see color, it's all gucci and real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGaYe0u2e4
There is nobody asking for your money. Nobody is asking for your attention. Nobody is asking for sex. All this information is free, the only thing you need to dedicate is your time and energy, same as any other "hobby", and you can do legitimate magic.

>>40634735
probability of what, dude?

>>40634796
Everything, this is a probabilistic universe rather than a deterministic one. Everything is described by probability of occurrence rather than certainty. The simplest examples are apparently random events like coin flips. Under "normal" conditions the result is between two (yes it's more, ignore that) outcomes and described as a ~50/50 occurrence. However, in reality it's been demonstrated in experiments that consciousness shifts the odds. A desired outcome will occur more often than expected by chance, more than 50% of coins falling on heads. However this change isn't observed in people who are disbelieving of psychic functioning and close minded to the potential of the experiment. In fact, such participants actually have results that cluster more close to "expected odds" than the natural variance from random participants who aren't prompted one way or another. These close minded people have been termed goats due to stubbornness and constitute evidence that one's mindset can directly limit the possibilities one encounters. It's the same effect as pushing for more heads results, except applied to create a reality that conforms to a sterile expectation.

Any time you flip a coin there's a low probability that it lands on its side, or falls through the ground, or teleports to the far side of the universe. Ordinarily these types of events have such low probability that you'll never observe them in the first place, but there is a mechanism in consciousness which can reach into the quantum soup and make 0.00000001% or 50% into 100%. That's magic, all of the symbols and chants and artifacts are triggers (and participants with minds of their own) to reconfigure consciousness toward that result.

>>40630116 (OP)
>How are contemptorary witches so interested in magical practice but so spiritually weak?
because they run away from experiences that would make them strong
in other words, ordeals
In the quest for power, they refuse to face anything that makes them uncomfortable. they avoid shadow work
so they don't face anything truly challenging, and don't grow as a person
they just keep doing the same thing
Also, most people are shit at learning. They don't know how to train, where to find info, they don't grind reps. They don't find people who are better than them to ask questions and inspire them to greatness
they just sit in their comfortable spot, not learning, not growing.
Learning happens when you overcome challenges. Not by staying comfortable. You have to change as a person
And most people are not good at change.
in other words, they stay as NPCs

>>40631061
>Some are seriously spiritual, but most chicks are shallow, and thus they are spiritually shallow.
this
you teach an NPC magic, and they'll only go so far if they approach it from the normie angle
then you have people who go deep, go beyond, and search for radical transformation. Those people learn, and change. They become "more"

>>40634095
>Everyone wants to be a bodybuilder but nobody wants to lift any heavy ass weights
>Same logic applies with magic/spirituality. Everyone wants to claim to have secret knowledge, mystical experiences, but actually doing the work to get to that point is fucking hard and most people don't have what it takes to do it.
true
and most people try to do it, then fail on their 1st attempt and give up
Or they try over and over, doing the same thing, it continues to not work, then they quit
They don't know how to overcome problems and figure out a way to get from lifting 100 pounds to 150 pounds, in the weight lifting analogy

>>40634778
Probably based along the lines of "natural magic" vs "sorcery", and whatever theological or ideological arguments there were around those notions.

>>40634171
>The first rule is DON'T TALK ABOUT IT and that's broken by most of them from the very beginning, so you can't really expect much more rigour or discipline if even the basics aren't there.
No, talking about magic with other practitioners helps you learn. Just like with any other skill
How good would you get at soccer, if you never talked to other soccer players and asked them for tips and tricks, traded advice, etc
Just by yourself you won't learn much. But if you surround yourself with other practitioners, you learn SO much faster
Networking is overpowered for learning new magic.
Talk to new people, try new things. These are the only 2 things you need to learn more magic.

>>40634171
>noooo you can't talk about what you're doing noooo

>>40634883
>In fact, such participants actually have results that cluster more close to "expected odds" than the natural variance from random participants who aren't prompted one way or another. These close minded people have been termed goats due to stubbornness and constitute evidence that one's mindset can directly limit the possibilities one encounters.
sounds like what they believe IS affecting the outcome
they just strongly believe it's random, and will have a certain outcome
they just have boring beliefs, so they get the "boring" outcome

>>40636616
meh.. garbage in garbage out is another factor to consider though. just because we have more access to more information doesn't mean it's necessarily good information
and if you're thinking someone can just parse through it all quickly and decide what's the good stuff, people can spend years spinning their wheels while knee-deep in information

>>40636645
>meh.. garbage in garbage out is another factor to consider though. just because we have more access to more information doesn't mean it's necessarily good information
yes, you have to talk to people who can actually do magic
talking to normies won't really amount to much.
>and if you're thinking someone can just parse through it all quickly and decide what's the good stuff, people can spend years spinning their wheels while knee-deep in information
correct. You have to figure out what's good and what's not, and build up a network of good authors, websites, and groups
Once you do that, you will make way more progress way more quickly
The easiest way to do it is find one "good" author. Then find their friends. Who they quoted, who they did work with. Their website. Do they have forums? Any users or fans?
If you just get one more node to branch off to, you'll never run out of new "good" info.
So that's the way to solve the problem as a beginner of not having enough legit information

>>40636655
this is glib and facile. people don't just "quickly" get into things. i spent 2 years on chaos magick, 3 years on golden dawn until i finally settled on grimoire type magic that actually worked for me.
talking to oldfags didn't help me get to my preferred destination fast. it still took time and a lot of errors. more information isn't automatically better. sifting through things takes time.

>>40636683
>this is glib and facile.
You misread me. Here, I'll help you to correctly understand what I wrote.
>people don't just "quickly" get into things. i spent 2 years on chaos magick, 3 years on golden dawn until i finally settled on grimoire type magic that actually worked for me.
I agree with you, that for the average person, it takes them years to figure this shit out
And once you do that, you will make way more progress
>Once you do that, you will make way more progress way more quickly
That is the "quickly" I said. And it's true. ONCE you do that, you will learn so much faster
It seems you are currently at that stage. And congrats. You have now gotten over the initial hurdle
You still have attitude problems, and that will slow you down later. But good luck with that. Every challenge you encounter is an opportunity to learn

you can't be a whore and give your sexual energy for free every other week and expect to have any sort of magical powers

>>40631513
>someone with weak willpower and fortitude can easily be swayed and pushed around,
Such as with dogmatic, rigid ways of thinking that lead them to hollow themselves and others out in a vain attempt at controlling the ever-changing nature of life out of fear?

>>40634883
You are kind of a retard. Probability is something we have invented to rate what we think is the likelihood of potential(ie. imaginary) outcomes. I am quite well aware that you didn't come up with the idiotic notion of a probabilistic universe on your own, but the fact that you are able to take such a notion seriously, and that you so eagerly accepts it as a truth beyond reproach tells me that you are a plebeian of the first order.

>>40630116 (OP)
Because they are just sluts that sold their souls to feel edgy, they aren't performing Magick, they are degenerating their own value and worth in exchange for cool girl points from jews on TV. They aren't "witches" they are useful idiots for their foreign masters that can illicit their obedience just by implying g that they'd be considered racist if they don't agree with the fake group consensus. It functions on the same premise as blackmail or interrogations that get confessions under the duress of physical torture and abuse.

And their pride blinds them to this obvious shit. They fear damage to their pride or reputation more than the genocide and erasure of their own race and culture.

Women can't be trusted with voting rights. They get voting rights and the only polict they care about is being able to murder their children to get away with being a huge slut with less repercussions. And I'm supposed to sit here and play dumb or I'm the bad guy. Smhsmdtbhtbtfrfrnocapgooprntbtbt

>>40639414
Racists and misogynists are wrong about everything and are the most spiritually depraved and empty losers in the world lol
You are the bad guy

>>40634101
>>40634242
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>>40639703
show tits

>>40640987
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>>40641016
You sound fat.