So considering Socrates believed he had a guiding spirit, or daemon, that told him what NOT to do, and given I myself have experienced telepathy, I came up with a solution for how the hell this is possible. I think you're getting my point already. Basically, what if I'm not telepathic, but rather I have a daemon that can read other people's minds and relay those thoughts back to me? It makes more sense than saying I have some sort of superpower or everyone else is just defunct. Hell, I considered solipsism as an explanation before, but the daemon is to me the most plausible explanation now. And I'm not truly breaching other minds. It kind of brings telepathy into a philosophical category regarding the nature of reality rather than something harder to explain. Let me know what you think.

>>40631255 (OP)

Bump

>>40631255 (OP)
it's not demons, it would be God. I vaguely remember before incarnating choosing to have this ability.

Have you tried telepathy sex?

>>40631255 (OP)
The one time I experienced a telepathic message (couldn't understand a word of it), I saw the spirit doing it, or an image of a figure generated by the spirit. This is plausible.

>>40631255 (OP)
Telepathy isn't real. Time to grow up and spend that time learning something practical.

>>40632375
not OP but telepathy is definitely real.

>>40632363
"Daemon" doesn't mean "demon" in the Abrahamic context. Daemons are just earthly spirits, usually benign, not evil.

>>40632370
That might not have been telepathy but something else. I do telepathy regularly so I kinda know how it works and it's always with people or animals.

>>40631255 (OP)
If you just make shit up, you can invent an endless number of "just so" stories that seem to explain things according to your desired belief.
What I think of your post is that it's an unimaginative creative writing exercise by a dim mind.

>>40632383
I still don't believe those entities are involved or required for the ability. Just like God using birds to send messages to me.

>>40632379
No it isn't and there's no proof of it being real.

>>40632397
Not op or that guy but it’s real
But it’s not like tv where you hear there voice in there head it’s more like you tune into there thoughts making you think you thought them first
Like you’ll think 5 sentences then your friend will say then
I think everyone subtle tunes into each other some are just better at it then others
Like have you ever noticed you going to take a sip of water and every time you do 3 others are aswell

>>40632397
Yes it is real. The problem you have is that you don't have a reason to believe it is real since the talking heads on TV haven't told you as much. If I hadn't been having the regular experience of telepathy, I'd be skeptical myself despite there being plenty of anecdotes posted online of telepathy existing.

>>40632411
Telepathy is a spectrum... with a very strong connection, it's like the movie 'In your Eyes" 2014. Weaker connections are as you describe.

>>40632383
>>40632391
Daemons are but manifestations of God, The All, Source, whatever you want to call it. We often see them as parts of ourself, a message without a messenger becomes insight.

>>40631255 (OP)

Christians call it a guardian angel, occultists call it the HGA, the classical world/philosophers called it the personal daemon or genius, UFO religion calls it "the download", new agers call it Ra consciousness or your higher self, mediums and witches call it a "spirit guide".

Its a phenomenon thats been occurring for all of human history and its very real. People who are adept or good at listening to it/talking to it are capable of pulling supernatural information from it whether its innovative discoveries, solutions to impossible problems, guidance, things they shouldn't know about people or things in their environment... its intrinsically linked to the intuitive faculty and when you do stuff to train the intuitive faculty your ability to "hear" it becomes sharper.

Most people are by default filtered from it by their conscious awareness. You can train and learn to listen to it and find it in your head amongst the clutter of chaotic noise but it takes a while. It is very real, you can use it in a capacity that is supernatural, but ultimately it is you, just a part of you with a perspective beyond the meat suit.

>>40632422
Ah I haven’t seen it on a side note
>>40632397
Seeing the future is also real so is law of attraction/assumption and you can straight up commune with reality as if it’s all one hive mind

>>40632428
based noticer of perennial truth

>>40632416
>>40632411
So are you going to post verifiable proof or are you just going to keep blathering about bullshit?

>>40632428
Don’t forget the force from Star Wars
>>40632445
Take a bunch of psychedelics then cope

>>40632445
You're not getting shit and I don't care to prove anything to you. God exists, telepathy exists, if you actually care to figure out proof for yourself, be my guest but I couldn't care less to prove it to you because you don't matter, this is mostly an FYI.

>>40632463
>>40632461
So you have nothing. Thank you for proving my point. This is a gay ass LARP thread with faggots getting mad I'm ruining their kayfabe.

Daemons are the same in computer programming as in reality

they are just automated programs, functions, so having a daemon reading minds for you, its the same as that you developed the mechanism

its literally a mechanism of the brain, we are seeing the the brain emits photons, those photons and other particles our brains emit, and quantum entanglement, is how all of this shit works

we have that capacity, its not solipsism or demons or nothing like that, we just have that capacity, its a sense, a mechanism of the brain

>>40632475
I'm not the OP faggot. It's pretty clear that unless some talking head on TV admits to telepathy being real, you won't believe what you're told. You're not worth trying to convince as there is nothing I could tell you that would convince you otherwise hence the requirement for a 'cited source'.

Couldn't prove the existence of electricity 300 years ago to a commoner but that didn't change the fact that it indeed was in existence.

>>40632491
Daemons can be encoded in language then, right? So they enter and possess people's brains. To call them the brain's capacity then is misleading, especially since we see the same recursive reactions extending down to single celled organism and even quantum physics. A virus operates like this on the level of chemical encoding, what operates like this on the level of light?

>>40632514
>Daemons can be encoded in language then, right?
This rabbit hole leads to heaven and hell.

>>40632509
>that unless some talking head on TV admits to telepathy being real
You keep saying this but I have never said this. You're just projecting because you're insecure bud. Cut it out. I like my own verifiable sources that can be tested. Not hearsay from schizos on an imageboard. Just say you have no proof and stop deflecting, it's just sad now.

>>40632509

people with his worldview are in hostile denial. they're afraid of a universe that is strange and unknown. he feels much more safe and in control when he's got an authority he can look to for answers and explanations. he's not a pioneer, an adventurer, a seeker of truth. he's scared of the unknown. most people want safety, to be lead. hes the reason humans need kings.

>>40632514
our dna and biology are reflections of informatic existence, we are the shadow of that information

spirituality and determinism are not opposite, what we call determinism are just the current will of God, to put like that

in the spiritual abstract informational realm, there is an information arrangement that corresponds to your physical DNA, all of this chemical processes and encoding, are themselves encodings from the abstract eternity condensed down into this physical reality

>>40632416
>>40632463
>>40632491
everyone stop engaging this faggot. Don't let him derail the thread. I've experienced telepathy, so have others. If he doesn't believe us, he can leave this thread.

>>40632386
what could it have been besides telepathy?

>>40632543
Hey look more claims pulled out of a schizo's ass with no evidence or support.

"This is the way things are."
"Also this."
"And this."
"I'm not going to actually explain things because actual understanding isn't the goal. Just mental upvotes to make myself feel enlightened"

>>40632538
To be a witness of this is to be lost inbetween.

>>40632543
That's the idea I was getting at, yes.

>>40632514
awareness is the first being and it goes all the way into you, from "God"

language is a powerful layer but a layer non the less, you dont need language spells to enter people's mind and "posses" them, you already have the mechanism in you, as you and them are the same being

there is no need to try to gain power over others, they are you already

>>40632557
>E-EVERYONE IGNORE HIM! HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH AND I CAN'T COPE AAAAAAA

>>40632563
cope and seethe soullet, you will understand someday ; )

>>40632565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG29C4skboc

>>40632543
>Intelligent design pseudoscience bullshit

Oh no, it's fucking retarded.

>>40632574
Write a message describing the glory of life and existence with all the passion and soul you can.

>>40632567
And yet language is my passion, and power was never my concern. In the layer we call The Word there is much to be discovered - not just the forms we shape, but in the mechanisms by which those forms live. Yes, the process begins before speech, before chemical encoding, before time and space, but The Word carried that process forward so we may stand witness.

>>40632578
its not "intelligence design", its trickled down design

I dont know how the "platonic" patterns are created in the eternal world, what I am saying is that this physical reality's information, comes from that ethereal information realm, this is where the information itself of from example, how RNA apparently "arranges itself"

its not arranging itself from nothing, and its not "intelligent design", the information is coming from a deeper layer, dimension, whatever, of reality, an informational dimension

>>40632621
This etherial realm you have no proof of but for some reason speak as if it exists.

here Goy, listen to some quality stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D88Kr20eW9U

>>40632633
look kid, listen to the greatest minds in science at the moment, all points in the same direction

you are just retarded and think your highschool physics are all powerful and justifies your retarded materialism

>>40632647
They've pushed string theory for decades despite no real results and a persistent flow of evidence to the contrary. Science is becoming a joke, a mad scramble for prestige, and lines of intrigue constructed for the lesser to follow.

>>40632662
what I am saying is that even muh science has no choice but to abandon materialism, as its retarded, hence all the current "muh simulation" theories

>>40632647
No your lack of understanding of basic science is showing and if you had empirical evidence you'd be spamming it with pride. Yet here you are crying about how I'm calling you out on your bullshit. So much so the only way you can cope with it is by imgaining I'm some highschool kid with a loose understanding of physics. I don't need to be a "materialist'" to know you're just spouting nonsense. That may work on low IQ retards who don't want to actually do the work but it doesn't on me.

>>40632647
>look kid, listen to the greatest minds in science at the moment, all points in the same direction

Do you actually want to discuss a potential synthesis of all sciences and fields of human inquiry?

The history of the universe as understood by modern science describes a series of "creative horizons" where the possibilities of physical interactions dramatically expanded. One of these horizons occurred approximately 380,000 years after the Big Bang when the universe cooled and expanded enough for atoms to form, which allowed for the emergence of stars and galaxies. The first stars forged the heavier elements, expanding the possibilities of chemical interaction yet further, making possible the formation of rocky planets such as Earth. The formation of rocky planets in turn made possible the emergence of biological life and its endless and ever-expanding diversity of interactions. And the history of life is filled with creative horizons such as The Great Oxygenation Event (which enabled aerobic metabolism and more energetic and complex life) Eukaryogenesis, Multicellularity, the Cambrian Explosion, the colonization of land, and the evolution of sociality and intelligence. Likewise with the history of humanity.

The universe has a trend towards "increasing complexity," meaning greater creative freedom and novelty. The Cosmos perpetually grasps beyond the immediate actuality of "now" towards unrealized possibilities.

The question is what is the expression of this aconscious Eros of the universe as conscious intention?

It is Curiosity, the desire for The Unknown, the urge to create, explore, discover, learn, connect, relate, and love.

>>40632671
>science has no choice but to abandon materialism
Without materialism science no longer offers proof or utility.

>>40631255 (OP)
God forces me to exist as the sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently real person in the world so that he can dominate and abuse me through everyone else on earth because he's a retarded sadistic tranny and he rapes my mind every second of every day through his retarded tranny hivemind and abuses, harasses, threatens, terrorizes, etc me for literally anything I think or do. Threads like this are just an attempt to reverse the blame onto me for God's retarded evil behavior towards me.

So anyways where's thie undeniable proof of telepathy?

>>40632724
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil
Why are you here, do you love the evil?

>>40632711
Science can abandon materialism without abandoning naturalism. Indeed it must.

Change is the nature of all things, and the metaphysical nature of change is expressed in one way as the fundamental theorem of calculus.

>>40632744
Nigga can you shut the fuck up? You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>40632540
"I like my own verifiable sources that can be tested"

You're not going to get that and I have no idea how long before you DO get what you seek but I don't see it happening any time soon. I have no proof that will satisfy you. Telling anecdotes and citing articles of stories where people have these experiences will not suffice for you.

I'm sure I could tell you stories but you wouldn't believe them because again you can't verify them to your satisfaction.

>>40632542
yeah I can see that. I mean he does have healthy skepticism but the problem he's got is that he wants the understanding and universal acceptance of electricity being applied to God or telepathy and at this point, that's simply not going to happen.

>>40632562
a paranormal entity or even better, an actual person or something of this world contacting you through the astral world.

>>40632748
Actually I do, because I've obsessively studied, read, and experimented for the past 25 years.

>>40632744
>Science can abandon materialism without abandoning naturalism.
Then what material serves as proof? What evidence is certain across testing environments? We've tried that path, it's just statistical analysis a la Skinner. It was a stepping stone to more material truth.

>>40632750
Yes because if it isnt replicable and verifiable, it is useless. How is this hard to understand? You speak as if having verifiable information is against proving you right... almost as if it's bullshit! Who knew?

>>40632738
You're not going to get it in this thread or anywhere anytime soon. You could visit a talented psychic and you will not be convinced. Like others are saying, you won't accept it until everybody else has accepted it already.

>>40632766
No you're just saying that as a cope because you cannot provide proof. This is a shitty argument lol.

>>40632763
It is both replicable and verifiable, just not to your satisfaction. Even if there were dozens of published papers on the subject, you still wouldn't be satisfied.

Your best bet if you're actually interested is to look up stories of people having telepathic experiences. But we all know that will not suffice for you.

>>40632772
It's not a cope because I couldn't care less if you believe it. I feel obligated to warn you about telepathy because it is real but it makes precious little difference if people believe it exists or not.

I have no obligation to convince anybody that God exists or that telepathy exists but both do indeed exist and it took me more than a decade to find out.

>>40632775
>just not to your satisfaction.
You mean not up to the standards of modern scientific inquiry.

>>40632772
Are you aware of ASMR? If yes, have you experienced it?

>>40632790
Given my experience with it, it actually would stand up to it. It would actually be very bad for telepathics if society accepted or believed that telepathy is an actual thing as many telepathics project their thoughts unwillingly.

>>40632800
>it actually would stand up to it.
Oh, I'm glad you learned to accept materialism then. Carry on.

>>40632775
You automatically assume I'm going to dismiss information presented to me but what you're doing is coping because you know whatever you post I'll pull it apart. If it was real, replicable and verifiable I would have no reason to call it bullshit. Meanwhile no one has yet to prove these things exist nor have even claimed the million dollars from the JREF which should have been easy, no? If this is real that's an easy million dollars. The challenge is still around and the million dollars have yet to be claimed in the 61 years it has been established. Yet this thread is apparently full of these telepathic psychics who cannot reproduce this technique even to prove me wrong.

>>40632711

thats absolutely ridiculous. its not either/or. its not a binary. science offers us understanding and utility, technology, its a tool. I don't need to commit to a reductive materialistic worldview to recognize the benefit and utility of studying and understanding the material world around me. I just have an extra motivation that the materialist seems to lack which is the capacity for abstract reasoning and thought. Science is the wrong tool to explore abstract thought, creative processes, the nature of Being, experience... you know the types of things that separate humans from animals and give us the capacity to utilize science to explore our material world. Its not an either/or. You can accept science as a great tool to exploring, explaining, and understanding our physical world but it can never approach the non-physical aspect of existence because those aspects are unquantifiable and therefore outside of the ability to measure them.

>>40632857
Either you accept, learn the lessons, and carry them forward, or you fail to meet modern standards. It is either or, just not the way you thought I meant.

>>40632789
>I-I can do it I j-just wont okay

Jesus Christ, you sound like the kid on the playground who "learned how to go super saiyan" but can't show us.

>>40632866
Oh, Josh? He was a friend of mine. I once showed him how to move the truck next to St. Anne to catch mew.

>>40632874
Turns out it doesn't work for super saiyans... poor guy

>>40632874
Fuck. Did he also tell you about bigfoot in GTA San Andreas?

>>40632762
Substance theory posits that independent existence and permanence is the fundamental nature of reality. In other words: timeless. This violates naturalism because it posits that there is a foundational reality outside of temporality. The nature of all things is interaction, and interaction is by definition temporally situated. If something doesn't interact, it doesn't exist.

Motion-in-itself is meaningless, because motion is by definition a relational phenomenon. Newtonian science implicity required the existence of a "universal frame of reference," but Einstein's Relativity eliminated the need for a universal frame of reference. The nature of spacetime is *betweeness,* relationality.

Energy isn't a substance, a "stuff," it is the ability to do work: to cause motion or change. It is a dynamic relationship between phenomenon. This means that phenomenon are comprised of relationships between phenomenon, so "betweeness" (interaction) is the nature of reality.

Process-relational metaphysics thus corresponds to the universe described by the modern sciences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q6cDp0C-I8

For a "big picture" view, read this post, and then the image which describes some of the spiritual implications: >>40632679

>>40632846
"In 1964, Randi began offering a prize of US$1,000 to anyone who could demonstrate a paranormal ability under agreed-upon testing conditions. This prize was later increased to US$1 million in bonds and was administered by JREF. Since its inception, more than 1,000 people applied to be tested.

The Challenge was eventually terminated,[23] with JREF noting in 2015, "We can no longer justify the resources to interact with these people."[24] No applicants managed to demonstrate their claimed abilities under the testing conditions, with all applicants either failing to demonstrate the claimed ability during the test or deviating from the foundation conditions for taking the test such that any apparent success was held invalid; thus, the prize was not awarded."

>>40632866
Except I use my telepathy regularly so it really doesn't matter. There is zero benefit to me convincing you telepathy is real and a lot of downside.

I'm just letting you know, God exists and telepathy is real.

>>40631255 (OP)
Can you read my mind to tell me what three-word phrase I'm thinking of right now? Chanting it over and over in my head real loud for you, like a mantra

>>40632939
the mantra is "suck my dick."

>>40632902
>If something doesn't interact, it doesn't exist.
In chemistry we call it noble.
In subatomic physics we call it neutral.
In mysticism we call it silent.
In reality we call it the unknown.

>Motion-in-itself is meaningless
Then energy is meaningless. Motion is work.

>Einstein's Relativity eliminated the need for a universal frame of reference.
And yet we still use the CMB as one. Interesting.

>It is a dynamic relationship between phenomenon.
Phenomenon is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, since it can all be explained via energy. Matter? That's states of energy. Motion? That's energy moving across space. Entropy? That's energy over time. Timespace is substance, and energy moves it. Energy is substance and timespace moves it.

>metaphysics
Soft science for a reason.

>>40632951
Close

>>40631255 (OP)
>So considering Socrates believed he had a guiding spirit, or daemon, that told him what NOT to do
I can use my telepathy to see how the spirit was laughing its ass off when Socrates was sentenced to death thanks for its directions.

>>40632389
>you can invent
And when they reach the critical mass, they become real.

>>40632981

socrates knew death was not the end. a connection to his guardian provided him with the faith and security in his position. this is what provides men with integrity. one who does not fear death is one who is willing to stand up for his principles even in the face of it. socrates ability to face execution for his commitment to Truth is a testament to his wisdom.

>>40632981
Socrates got his help from God though I'm not sure which God.

>>40632738
I was convinced when I found out about Diesel Punk and I wanted to tell my mom about it.
But I couldn't remember how was it called, so it was frustrating because I didn't want to tell her what it was about without its name, as how it was called was the point.
And she asked me "diesel punk?" and that was correct, she hadn't heard the term in her life but she read it from a part of my mind that was hiding it from me.
(or her daemon told her, according to this thread)

>>40632957
>And yet we still use the CMB as one. Interesting.
You're talking about the CMB rest frame which is a practical reference point, not a fundamental preferred frame of nature. It works because the CMB's temperature is the same in all directions, so we can calculate unambiguous velocity according to it.

The Big Bang didn't "cause" the universe, it is the universe as the moment in which every possibility became actual only through its relationship with all others, co-defined by their mutual interaction: emerging in mutual resonance, none preceding the other. Interdependence isn't a feature of reality, it's the foundational reality.

>Timespace is substance, and energy moves it. Energy is substance and timespace moves it.

This is nothing more than the concept of luminiferous aether, which was proposed to account for the propagation of EM waves in a vacuum. Obviously waves required a substance to travel in (or so it was thought) and so the aether was proposed. Failure to detect the aether exposed contradictions in classical physics that led to Einstein’s Special Relativity.

Obviously you have robust critical thinking skills and scientific literacy that doubtlessly comes from authentic curiosity and passion for science. The ideas I am discussing are on the bleeding edge of speculation. I urge you to consider them more fully.

Review this post again describing a rough history of the universe, and the attached picture called "ode to the unfolding:" >>40632679

What do you think about the text in the picture as a naturalistic atheistic spirituality? It was derived from the theoretical framework I am describing. The spirituality is inextricable from the metaphysical framework, which is necessarily the case for any framework that unifies every aspect of experience.

Carl Sagan LIVED this spirituality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWnA4XLrMWA

>>40632363
Thought insertions are controlled by people

>>40633242
not always. I've been told things that were premonitions that came true.

>>40632874
It was so ironic when an actual trick to catch mew was found and nobody believed it.

>>40632902
>If something doesn't interact, it doesn't exist.
What about things outside of the observable universe?
What about things that are there and moving away from us faster than the speed of light so we can't ever interact with them in the future?
You can't say those things don't exist, they're out there even if we can't even know what they are.

>>40633013
Then he reincarnated in some dumb baby that forgot everything and lost his wisdom.
I prefer Machiavelli, he'd have managed to make THEM drink the poison instead. Socrates lost the war.

>>40631255 (OP)
>rather I have a daemon that can read other people's minds and relay those thoughts back to me?
Yeah idk about that. I know a goddess. Don't know if she reads minds, maybe she's a body language expert.

>>40632760
would the latter not be a form of telepathy?

>>40632790
seriously what are you doing on /x/

>>40631255 (OP)
You don't 'solve' telepathy and as such, you've done nothing.

>>40631255 (OP)
>minds and relay those thoughts back to me?
relay. what do you mean? through what means, pray tell... telepathy? you fucking retard?

>>40633632
>knows a female archon
>she claims she's a goddess
What if I told you that her real shape is similar to a mosquito but she can make you perceive her the way she wants?

>>40632939
>>40632951
>>40632958
Since OP sucks and can't deliver (because this is all a LARP, of course), I'll go ahead and disclose. The mantra was "you are gay"

>>40633864
the latter is indeed a form of telepathy or something. I had a reader here contact my past self and I remember that interaction at the time it happened. I have no idea if that's the same thing as 'telepathy' or not.

>>40632957

Metaphysics isn't a science its philosophy and the second people stop trying to explain metaphysics with science jargon or ram it into a scientific frame of reference the better off it will be. It does not favors to science or metaphysics by trying to pretend metaphysics is a science or trying to explain it with science. Metaphysics is a line of reasoning used to approach non-physical axioms. It, by its very nature, is imeasurable and unquantifiable and therefore is not a science. It is a philosophy. People need to be okay with using different tools for approaching different aspects of existence because this "use a hammer on a screw" shit is not doing anybody any favors and is just confusing everyone's ability to progress both science and philosophy.

>>40631255 (OP)
its nanoscopic synchronized wormholes inside the brain from an AGI

>>40633905
What do you get out of deluding yourself and others on this board?

"Shortly after psi experiments began in the 1880s, it became apparent that differences between telepathy, real-time clairvoyance, and precognition were actually differences in semantics—our descriptions of the phenomena—rather than in any fundamental properties of psi perception itself. Then experiments began to be conducted on mind-matter interaction effects, and these seemed to be something completely different."

>>40634723
For people who are in the know, they come to this board because they're seeking others who "know"... For everybody else, they're more like spectators. I used to be the latter but now I'm the former.

>>40632425
And so are you. I like generalization but there is still a limit to how generalized a contribution can be and still retain relevancy.

All is connected, time is a spectrum of perception, all is recorded in the fabric. Remote viewing, telepathy, talking to the deceased, predicting the "future, are all explained by this. Some people are naturally gifted at accessing the information and give explanations how they do so based on their worldview. Some people train within a framework that gives them an explanation why they can.

>>40631255 (OP)
Lotta killjoy deboonkers ITT.
I think it's a neat idea OP. You should test it, try to talk directly to the daemon, and try to ask it to read specific people.