Imagine a billionaire father has a son. This father decides to raise his kid poor in order to test him to see if he is worthy of inheriting his wealth. If this kid fails the test, the father will hire some men to kidnap him and torture him in a basement for the rest of his life. Would you call this father loving? Of course not, you'd call him a deranged maniac! A loving father would try to make their kid's life the best they possibly can from the start. In God's case, why even test us to begin with? Why couldn't we have been born into heaven?

>>40649459 (OP)
Wherever this retarded delusion came from, it's not in the bible.

Hell is a temporary state of restoration. People will be conformed to their true self (God's image) in hell. The word translated as "eternity" in the New Testament is aionion and it actually just means "an indefinitely long period of time", although it can be enternity too. It's where we get the word aion from which means the same thing. Also funny to note that Jonah uses the same root word in the Septuagint when he describes being in the fishes stomach for 3 days so obviously he didn't mean it as in forever.

Hopefully this encourages you to re examine Christianity more closely. It's the true religion.

>>40649459 (OP)
It's a very long story... our universe started off with a kind of subtle accident. Divinity itself fell into Creation, and in the process, discovered Evil. This happened long before Earth or mankind came along.

Because many of the beings that were manifested in the universe are Divine, but have succumbed to the image of Evil, the Cosmic battle will continue for a long, long time.

>>40649533
>Hell is a temporary state of restoration. People will be conformed to their true self (God's image) in hell.
I've never seen this in the Bible or in any non-canonical books.

>>40649551
https://biblehub.com/acts/3-21.htm

>>40649533
Totally wrong and nearly pagan

>>40649572
Feel free to explain
I'm here to learn

>>40649459 (OP)
I don't think God likes humanity as much as people assume. From his perspective, we betrayed him. God is not like a human man who actually forgives and forgets things. He is a brutal king who has the entirety of the universe under his heel, an entity closer to something Lovecraft would write than the pleasant guy in Veggie Tales. Since most people, especially in the west, are exposed to Veggie Tales protestant lala fun time God, they eventually get cognitive dissonance in this way if they stop and think about his behavior long enough. God made you to shit and bleed and die. We had a covenant with him in the garden that we broke. The only reason we aren't all just in hell, or even exist at all, is because Adam was stupid enough to not be culpable in the same way Satan was. But what we did was a lesser version of the fall. So he delights in our suffering and in his justice against us, and if you think it's unfair, you're thinking like Satan and will be treated as such. It's a lifelong shit test. It's really only fifteen minutes of sheer agony for the majority of us on a cosmic scale, and then bliss if we pass. But most don't, and God is perfectly fine with that. He doesn't like us. He loves us, but he also thinks we're disgusting and pathetic. Evil, nasty. He made us to be as a punishment.

>>40649577
Literally just read the book of Matthew. Christ is totally unambiguous in his description of hell as being eternal.

>>40649616
I just went over that
>The word translated as "eternity" in the New Testament is aionion and it actually just means "an indefinitely long period of time", although it can be enternity too. It's where we get the word aion from which means the same thing. Also funny to note that Jonah uses the same root word in the Septuagint when he describes being in the fishes stomach for 3 days so obviously he didn't mean it as in forever.
The literal meaning is "age long"

>>40649606
Are you a Christian?

>>40649459 (OP)
Yeah, like, we have this thread every day.

>>40649459 (OP)
How could anyone read the bible and come to the conclusion that the same Diety obsessed with mass murder and genocide loved anyone? Fucker has over a million named kills; men, women, and children, young and old, none of it matters. That's not even touching the complete eradication of all humanity. The Abrahamic God is a vengeful, war mongering, blood obsessed, monster.

>>40649628
Yeah. An eternity.
>>40649629
Yeah

>>40649636
This is gay and reddit

>>40649459 (OP)

The reality is that you are the plural expression of God the father. You will see multiple names for God in the original Aramaic and Hebrew. The three most frequent are El, Elohim, and YHVH. -im as a Semitic suffix indicates a plural subject but something interesting happens in the syntax Elohim is used. Everytime Elohim is used in the Bible there is an action verb and the verbs participle indicates a singular subject. This looks like a syntactical error but what it is referencing is that God's actions and movements are expressed through his plurality and that is through man in his image.

This is reinforced when there are moments in the old testament when God is not referred to as YHVH or Elohim but YHVH Elohim which is referencing the creator God expressed through his plural self. We can also see this referenced in Exodus when God is speaking to Moses at the burning bush and uses his personal name of "Ehyeh" which means "I Am" this is telling us that he is the ontological root of Being, that is your conscious Being.

So what does this mean for you? It means that you are God. You create the world around you through Being. Those who fully actualize this are the magus and miracle workers of old. Christ woke up to this fact and it is why he referred to himself as the Son. Christ knew he was Ehyeh, Elohim, and YHVH Elohim. And that makes you responsible for your shitty life and shitty world. You did this to yourself. The God of the Bible that you are so quick to blame for your misery is You and it is because you are a miserable person. Wake the fuck up. Remember what you are. Your ego doesnt want you to remember. You are him. Say it to yourself "Ehyeh" and start changing your world.

>>40649645
You're being dense
https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/aionios
>indeterminate as to duration, eternal, everlasting
Just in case you pull the same move, I already said it CAN mean eternal. The goal should be to create a single coherent doctrine out of the bible, and and I don't see how an eternal hell can be agreeable with restoration of all things

>>40649666
You should pay attention when God gives you signs, heretic. Just because you'd like something to be true doesn't mean it is.

>>40649676
>You should pay attention when God gives you signs
Likewise

>>40649689
You're fucking stupid

>>40649722
I'm sorry for calling you dense

>>40649636
I like Jesus, though. He seems like a good guy.

>>40649649
>AAAAA STOP TALKING MEAN ABOUT MY MADE UP SKY DADDY OR I'LL CAL YOU REDDIT
Grow up, faggot.
>>40649459 (OP)
Why do you even care? Christians are fucking retarded, their book is fake, makes no sense and is full of contradictions. They cling to this shit because they're shitty fucking people otherwise. It's fucking pathetic.

>>40649831
Absolutely raped reply

>>40649753
It's cute that you care. I am too proud for that kind of apology

>>40649877
>pretending to be me
Why

>>40650124
I am not. I was just acknowledging him because I liked the attitude

>>40649877
>>40650201
Anonymous website, how can you be proud

>>40650266
It is even more reason not to apologize at all
Also, your pride isn't about other people, it is about how you see yourself.

>>40650286
If you're self aware about then why don't you just not be prideful

>>40649459 (OP)
Christians get a lot of things wrong about God.
This is not a test. It is an indulgence.

>>40649459 (OP)

According to the bible: When you die, you shall be as you were before you were born.

Moses was resurrected before he was taken up to heaven. Elijah was taken alive. Jesus rose up out of the dead before He went home.

As He rose up out of the dead, so shall we be raised up out of death.

The immortality of the soul is a lie.

>>40649538
Most of us stopped fighting a long time ago. It’s only you who fight it these days. Even your followers are growing tired of you. Nobody likes you anymore. You’ve burned a lot of bridges.

That's literally the parable of the prodigal son you retard.
The billionaire father had a son who demands his share, goes away to live however the fuck he wants without his "stupid dad" and finds out that however the fuck he wants to live is hell itself.
That's you

>>40649459 (OP)
I got your point but bad analogy

>>40649665
>Wake the fuck up
you wretched heretic

>>40650665
Except in the prodigal son the father isn't omnipotent and there isn't the threat of eternal torture.

>>40649852
>This your brain on Christcuckery
Your God is false and you will die not knowing it. Have fun in the void where you came from.

Why is chud dancing with this woman?

>>40649533
>Hopefully this encourages you to re examine Christianity more closely. It's the true religion.
A god told me it wasn't, what's your source.

>>40651586
IKR
she is beautiful
No chud should get that close to a goddess of this level

>>40649831
>Christians are fucking retarded, their book is fake, makes no sense and is full of contradictions. They cling to this shit because they're shitty fucking people otherwise. It's fucking pathetic.
This becomes truer the fewer Christians there are, because it's the communist religion. If everyone's supposedly equal then the dreg shitstains are elevated compared to average.

>>40649577
thats one weird place to come and learn pal

>>40649508
Right. The bible has enough retarded delusions to pick from if you want to get your crazy itch

>>40651588
My God came to earth as a human, died, resurrected, and left a historically footprint probably 100 times more significant than your god

Christians by at large do not understand the god they worship. They conflate every utterance of the word "God" in both testaments. This is a mistake because Jesus is not sent by YHWH, who is the Jewish God. The root of YHWH is IAO. IAO is also the root of the Greek God "Zeus" through "Zio," which became Zeus before it made its way through Europe and became Deus, then Jeus(as in Jesus) and then Ju, as in "Ju-pitar" (Father YHWH)
Jesus is "To Jeu." He is a blood libel sacrifice to a God of fire and lightening who accepts sacrifices and makes draconian rules while larping God. He's the Demiurge. Jesus offers himself in sacrifice for our sins and this holds water because YHWH accepts blood sacrifice and allows blood libel (he does not care who dies, as long as blood is spilled when his edicts are broken).
Jesus is baptised not in fire, but in fresh water: in Abzu. The god of the Abzu is Enki, Enki is Dagon, Dagon is Shiva and also Poseidon. He wields a trident, meditates, and understands that reality is deeper than the thing we call "God." He brings a message to worship no god and remember YOUR father. Eternity itself. You were never born and you aren't "alive" right now. You're the eternal experiencing a different perspective through time. If you really connect with this truth, you see a lot of things about mainstream Christians doesn't represent what Christians are actually supposed to believe very well. The ten commandments, for example, explicitly do not matter. We make no covenants, we worship no God. This shit is Jewish, and so is "God," but really he's just Zeus as always. He is both God and The Devil (and sometimes Satan, but never Lucifer) He isn't divine, though he is real. The "Snake" energy of Jesus is his equal, and his antithesis. Seek the wisdom of the Abzu.

>>40649551
Yes you have. You've read a translation and accepted it as God's word.

>>40649459 (OP)
>Why couldn't we have been born into heaven?
Because without the self-definition that comes from adversity, everyone would turn out the same. Just an infinite array of generic goody-two-shoes.

>>40649606
This is pretty Jewish, Moshe. My God is beyond these petty sentiments because he's a literal God. Your God is a Jewish idol you've been convinced is sincere, and your views well represent why Christians are generally stupid: you don't understand your own book. The Bible is encoded myth as truth: it is you sneak "truth" past the firewall of control.

>>40649676
Heretic is a word used by the catholic institution of McChrist. You're a zionist Golem who has never critically read a word of the Bible. Particularly the OT, which is meant to be read very critically, unless you're jewish: then you get on your knees and blow Satan, who is the God of the OT.

>>40649665
Linguist here. Ackshually, the discrepancies between plural nouns with singular participles in Semitic languages is regularly used to indicate collective entities, i.e. a school of fish or am ant hive. Elohim represents a uniform collective. YHWH and Zeus have the same etymological roots in writing. Most of this is deception.

>>40649459 (OP)
https://youtu.be/JMWPSN6JBic
https://youtu.be/diwTGq3uOao
https://youtu.be/tlGM0QMtcRY

>>40649459 (OP)
Doesn't God destroy hell at the end of the book, make a new world free of suffering and torture Satan?

>>40649831
>Christians are fucking retarded, their book is fake, makes no sense and is full of contradictions. They cling to this shit because they're shitty fucking people otherwise. It's fucking pathetic.

This.
Literally every Christian I see are split in 2 groups:

-The ones born into Christian families and were forced to never question a word of it all, then they became retarded adults who go into an existential crisis the moment you challenge any BS the Vatican made them swallow.

Like this, Matthew 6:7-8.
>"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."

Oh so you're not suppose to pray like a retard repeating the Lord's prayer 10 times. You're supposed to reach out to God and God will listen, right?

"Nonononono, you MUST go to church and you MUST do the Vatican™ approved prayers during mass EXACTLY like we told you ok???"

or

-The ones where the indocrination failed or they were born with above average IQ, so they slowly but surely see it's all BS and go seek God by themselves, without being shacked to a church bench.

>I am so great worship me or I'll curse you and burn you

>>40654185
What if he is a lying piece of shit? Like, what if he didn't create us at all and he just pretends because he wishes he could? Really makes you think

Hell exists, it's this place. There's nowhere to go but up.

>>40652711
>without the self-definition that comes from adversity, everyone would turn out the same
God has no ability or knowledge to find another way?

>>40655455
He does, the people trying to tout "Adversity" be the first ones to attack people from the Astral and say "God is punishing you."

>>40655415
I am feeling really tired
Like, my body just doesn't want to continue anymore.
I want to give up everything
I am not having a hard time. I just feel tired.
I have always been like this... Always so tired. No matter how much I rest...
It's like my body itself is hell
https://youtu.be/uwzAEwzUI8k?si=XwTtsl5_zB_k_WlR

>>40655520
Your spirit is lethargic. Before your next incarnation consult The Creator for some rest.

>>40649459 (OP)
This world has been made the way it is by invaders. We have to kick them out.

>>40655472
A little adversity is good for plants and animals. If plants don't get buffeted by the wind, they grow up spindly and their branches break under the weight of their fruit. If an animal doesn't get its immune system tested a little while growing up, it'll die the first time it gets sick. If humans were never to know loneliness, we could never understand the Creator of all things and how IT felt before it decided to create stuff.
All of these adversities are present in overbearing measure because of invaders, as I said. Otherworldly entities who are farming us for loosh, which we are more than strong enough to beat to death, once we know the tricks of the trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmEkI8NUC4
Sorry for spamming this video across different threads. It's a subject I've taken great interest in lately, and I sincerely believe that once a critical mass of astral warriors are raised up, we'll be able to push the invaders OFF our world and OUT of this universe.

>>40655746
You see all this longwinded bullshit? True sign of a charlatan that hasn't kept his mouth shut since 1800BC.

>>40655749
skibidi

Hell is simultaneously a state of being and a place. In the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, we see this to be true. When the rich man is suffering in Hell, Abraham rebukes the rich man, reminding him that he is suffering as a consequence of his own actions. He cries out for water, that the poor man he ignored might bring him water, and the Lord have mercy, because he is suffering. Further, he wants Lazarus to warn his family of the suffering in Hell. On the surface, reasonable requests. Yet, if you really think, the rich man is showing his incredible hubris and disregard for the wrongs he has commited. He does not ask for forgiveness for the wrongs he has commit. He presumes that Lazarus is his to push around, like in life. He wants to ease his own suffering out of his selfish desire. He wants to warn his family not because of any objective morality, but to avoid suffering. The rich man has proven twice that he deserves nothing but Hell. Through his actions we see his nature. He IS Hell, like all those who are "in Hell".

Suffering is an emergent part of consciousness, and suffering is inherently neither "bad" or good. It is necessary. It is a mistake think that suffering is undesirable, or that it can be avoided or stopped. To believe otherwise is hubris.

Why couldn't we be born in heaven? You spiritual nigger, what have you done to deserve heaven?

>>40649533

Do you believe in freewill? If so, is it not conceivable that there exist and will exist people who consciously and continuously reject God for all time?

What about the omnipotence and omniscience of God. Is it not possible for God to get the measure of a man?

>>40655746
>A little adversity is good for plants and animals
Who set that up?
Why didn't God set it up to get the exact same result, but without any suffering?
Why does God need to use a process at all?
Why can't God just...HAVE all unique, good people?
Why is God FORCED to put people through a process to get what God wants?

>>40649459 (OP)
Heaven for me.
Hell for people I don't like.

>>40657159
You should not wish hell on anyone :(

>>40652453
Yes, delusions. Not to lie, not to steal, not to kill, to have a family and respect and cherish, to respect your neighbour, all that is bullshit because of light was created before the sun on a flat earth, or the flood, or hardening the heart of the pharaoh then send the plagues, or if Jesus line from David starts from Solomon or Nathan, or if Judas hanged himself or tossed himself off a cliff. Yes, ignore the moral bedrock of society because of the myths of its source.

>>40657531
People do not get morality from religious books.
People use religious books to communicate their morals.

>>40649459 (OP)
Gehennas, jahanam exists as a burning garbage disposal

>>40657595
Ah, certainly. I wonder what morals book gets the best societies.

>>40652716
Towelhead goatfucker

>>40657531
Another failed student of reading comprehension. Aesops fables teach around the same teachings. The two are similar in execution. And you dont need a book to teach you things. You know they are wrong. Just dont do them. Easy

>>40649459 (OP)
God is Love because out of Love he gave all his creations a Choice to Love him for creating them or to Rebel against him.
He created the Angels knowing full well 1/3rd would turn against him.
He then created humanity knowing full well 1/3rd of the Angels would cause the fall of Man and lead Many into sin.
He allowed them Choice because otherwise we would be automatons.

The reason for Hell is because God needs somewhere for those who rebel to go. The Soul seeks the Maker. If the Soul turns against the Maker it will fly away at the sight of him. With nowhere to go the Demons claim the soul instead.

>Christian discussion on /x/
>Reasonable and respectful discussion respecting but nit conceeding the faith. The Ecumenical dialog Vatican 2 was talking about. Pagans, Other Denominations, Orthodox and Catholics talking and dialoging in peace.

>Christian discussion on /pol/
>JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW
>Athiest trying to use the Bible to disprove God
>I REBUKE YOU TO YOUR FACE HERETIC
>*pictures of Francis kissing a foot*

I will gladly hear out and live amongst 10000 Pagans before I suffer 1 athiest.

>>40656005
>He IS Hell, like all those that are “in Hell”
brilliant statement

Love, empathy, and compassion, are three different things, god loves you, so he wont coddle you like compassion demands, god is omnipresent and so has totalizing empathy. His love and empathy are endless. But as your father he will spank you if you do something bad. Or worse, let you punish yourself. Good and evil need each-other to have meanings, just as a bowl needs its void to have value. If you naturally seek out good from your nature, then great. If you need correction, then you will get it. Punishments are proportional to your mistake, and if you mess up God will shun you and let you run wild to your detriment till you decide to change.

No matter what you call it, this world is to teach you the value of understanding a system so you can best govern it. That is the logos, tao, reason, for this world.

Go forth and be the best person you can be by trying to have empathy to understand why others do what they do, and choose expressly the options you think will bring about the least harm to others while living your life. That is what this world is for.

This world is not a punishment, its not a test, its a training regiment for your soul.