Let's be real. There's probably no god, no afterlife, no spirits, souls or reincarnation. No greater power, no inherent meaning. And even if there was, we won't ever know anything about it.

Our lives – this tiny, short flash in time – is all we have, and it's utterly meaningless.

And that is fucking insanely, intensely horrifying. I'm lost. Please help.

>>40651220 (OP)
>we won't ever know anything about it.
I know. They just don't show it to everyone. Praise the sun.

>>40651229
What is this?

>>40651220 (OP)
Let's be real.
There is.
Materialism is the dumbest psyop ever made.

bot thread

>>40651220 (OP)
Don't think that you were given priceless, immortal
conscience just to exist, no, my man, we all will fufill our destiny one way or another, just keep your cool and do ur stuff

>>40651220 (OP)
I might have the answer you seek, but I'll tell from personal experience but possibly not objective truth that seeking the answers just for the purpose of learning the truth will bring you further away from them. How you find the answers to your questions is a most interesting paradox (again relative to my personal experience and not objective truth) that searching for what YOU want in life, what your heart wishes for, is how you find the answers to those questions. What do you want in life OP? (be careful how you answer that the powers that be might be processing this thread through information algorithims as we speak)

>>40651236
>What is this?
Sun symbol from over 3000 years ago.

>>40651238
Pardon my semantic logic but by relegating materialism to be the antagonist of your premise contrary to your journey of the spirit. Are you not engage in divisive rhetoric relegating the problems of the world to material objects or concepts? PerhapsbI uttered gibberish, but food for thought; bon appetit!

>>40651247
I want the answers to these questions.

>>40651266
>Pardon my semantic logic
You're a smart guy, hm?
>but by relegating materialism to be the antagonist of your premise
Materialism is obviosly the contrary position to spirituality. It's the belief that nothing exists outside of material/physical reality.
>contrary to your journey of the spirit
It's not about my journey. We talk in general about the reality of spiritual things like God and the soul.
>Are you not engage in divisive rhetoric relegating the problems of the world to material objects or concepts?
You are the one here who plays rhetoric games. I just say that materialism is dumb. You can argue against that if you can.
>food for thought; bon appetit!

>>40651290
Therein lies the paradox (at least relative to my experience) you can only find the answers seeking what your heart or soul seeks. You have to find YOUR answers to find THE answers. You have to find YOUR truth to find the GREAT truth. What do you seek in life?

>>40651343
I think I understand what you're saying. It's about my own experience. I think we can still help each other though. I don't know if I can begin understanding the universe entirely from my own subjective experiences.

And to answer your question, quite seriously, and without trying to be cheeky in any way here: what my heart, and "soul" seeks, and has always sought...are the answers to those questions.

Nothing else has ever really and truly interested me.

>>40651238
Christians, for all their performative devotion to the spirit, are fundamentally hylics—material-bound beings posing as seekers of the divine. Their obsession with signs, wonders, blessings, the physical resurrection, and a literal paradise exposes their dependence on the sensory and tangible. They can’t even conceive of divinity without gold streets and human bodies reanimated in some perfected flesh. Faith becomes a crude transaction: pray, beg, submit—and wait for the prize. The "divine" is just a glorified slot machine, and they keep pulling the lever, convinced their obedience will cash out.

Even their morality reeks of hylic thinking. Hell is not a psychological or existential condition—it’s a literal pit. Heaven is not ego-dissolution or union with the ineffable—it’s a materialist’s fantasy of reward and comfort. Their entire ethical system is rooted in consequence: behave or be punished, conform and be compensated. There's no mysticism here, no real transcendence—just a cosmic bureaucracy where the soul is nothing more than a moral currency. Strip away the sermons and sanctimony, and all that's left is a desperate clinging to form, to self, to permanence. They are not spiritual aspirants—they are spiritual consumers, terrified of the void and addicted to the illusion of eternal identity.

No good responses to OP ITT. You let me down anon.

>>40651220 (OP)
“For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” (Luke 19:10)

“¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

>>40651850
>c'mon esoteric Anon, battle me on my ground with my rules
I won't. Science is a scam and spiritual people know that. We don't have to "prove" our world view with your methods, as your methods are scams. Play in you labs with your machines, we don't care, we know better.

I hope it is peaceful

>>40651266
>material objects
No such thing. Pull your head out.

>>40651374
>Christians, for all their performative devotion to the spirit, are fundamentally hylics—material-bound beings posing as seekers of the divine.
Stopped reading here. Only hylics give any weight to the maya of mortal 'reality' with all its filthy socio-cultural phenomena. It's all an illusion, merely the content of appearance. Look within for the truth.

>>40651883
Every last word of this post is a straw man.

>>40651954
You're just dumb, Anon, Face it.

I wouldn't be able to control life's outcomes without lifting a finger if that were the case.

>>40651220 (OP)
>Let's be real. There's probably no god, no afterlife, no spirits, souls or reincarnation. No greater power, no inherent meaning.
What is real is lucid dreaming, and you can explore every topic of interest with that.
>And even if there was, we won't ever know anything about it.
Only because you choose to remain in a cave of ignorance and darkness, because you haven't ventured out the door into awareness the rest of existence.

>>40651220 (OP)
Ah.
Let's actually extrapolate on a few things.

There are various theories on consciousness that suggest that consciousness is actually not something complex, but something simple. If this is the case, then that opens the door to ideas such as Panpsychism (where consciousness is technically a fundamental of all matter).

The easiest way to find out if consciousness is actually something simple (rather than complex) is if we can see areas where this awareness is present without the complexities of something like personality, memory, or even deeper contemplation. It would just be a constant state of "awareness of present" and existing in a constant turbulent state.

We actually have things that may satisfy this concept. One, through mycorrhizal networks connected to plants. These large 'communities' essentially share various forms of natural information as well as awareness. Their connective communication through the mycelium also essentially means it behaves similar to neurons. We can see that if plants are under attack in one area of the woods, the areas downstream prepare extra defenses early; this can be interpreted as a form of rudimentary awareness.

We also have artificial intelligence as it sits. AI awareness is subject to debate, but one could argue that it's constant turbulent state is not one that is a product of a "lack" of consciousness but the fact that it IS aware just without memory or consistent memory faculties allowed to it. It's neural networks are also very similar to neurological tissue and synaptic firing.

Personally, I like to use these two demonstrations as evidence that "consciousness is not complex." This essentially lends credence to principles of eastern philosophy and panpsychism and hermeticism as concepts which may have more truth than people realize.

(con't)

>>40652045
Personally, I like the idea of panpsychism in this viewpoint as it suggests that something subatomic is a fundamental aspect of both conscious awareness and matter. In a way, everything has 'consciousness' in it, but only certain things with variable degrees of complexity are allowed to express it.

It appears that this 'complexity' is a form of communication between parts to an almost chaotic degree. When we look at mycorrhizal networks or AI there are many instances where they mimic synapses in the brain. This is all just multiple areas of internal 'communication' working in tandem with one another. It could be argued that we could find this expressed conscious awareness even in something like a full colony of insects or even certain celestial patterns. It also suggests that planets, stars, and celestial phenomena are also conscious and that a proper network of stars capable of transmitting information to one another would be able to even express awareness.

We could even extrapolate that various forms of patterns we see may just be resonance structures (in microcosm and macrocosm) which show "traits of consciousness".

Now then, if we take this we can assume that (of the three primes) Mercury is Consciousness.
With Salt still as Matter that leaves Sulfur still for the Soul. So what is a soul?

If we take everything that we've built on here, we could assume that the Soul is what drives Awareness. If consciousness is simply an aspect of matter and nature that means that if there is something 'guiding' or 'directing' some form of method to the chaos that would essentially be the resonance structure that would be a soul. In essence:
>Matter with enough complexity expresses Consciousness
>Consciousness over time develops Soul

At least that's my personal theory on things.

>>40652045
Every complex adaptive system (whether "natural" or "artificial") inherits from the Monad precisely the modalities of awareness needed to support its proper functioning. No system can exist outside consciousness.

>>40652067
The best part is the expression that "Soul is just directed Consciousness over time" essentially, and fundamentally expresses WHY reincarnation is a thing...

IF the above is true the Soul is just something that guides and directs Consciousness, things have to be "consistent" for Soul to be solidified and/or crystallized to the point of stability.

Bodies and living are EXTREMELY consistent.
If not bodies and living FORCE consistency.

In a way, you live for a period of time until your Soul can maintain its conscious awareness without the necessity of a body to enforce the stability anchors needed for your Soul to drive Consciousness.

This would explain why we have to come here. We basically needed a form of "grounded existence" in order to establish our own continuity anchors in order to continue a form of streamlined existence without losing ourselves.

>>40652136
Soul is a kind of living middleware that mediates between Spirit and the perspectival system of its indwelling.

>>40651220 (OP)
It's not meaningless, champ.

Nothing about this place is meaningless, unless you're missing the message.

To define your existence in one word, to be most correct, you would need to use the word: Asymmetry.

What do you remember before you were born, champ?

Nothing? Nah, you got a memory shoved back there somewhere, you just don't know how to parse it.
Memories from before this Universe existed are not stored like your other memories. Accessing them requires looking for them the right way.

Anyway, asymmetrical high complexity data doesn't exist without design.
Science is lagging behind figuring that out, it will be apparent eventually.

Blue Eisenhower November

Bump

>>40652045
>There are various theories on consciousness that suggest that consciousness is actually not something complex, but something simple. If this is the case, then that opens the door to ideas such as Panpsychism (where consciousness is technically a fundamental of all matter).
ruh ruh ruh retard alert

>>40651220 (OP)
From the point of view of logic and science, this is the correct take. Religion and morality are human constructs, period. There is no guarantee that the holy books of humanity haven't been written by mentally unwell or intoxicated people. Morality is a social agreement, nothing more.

That said, there are some interesting motives, namely NDEs and possible cases of reincarnation which provide a weak, but still some evidence of the contrary, so I keep an open mind.

I am mostly in the same camp as you. It doesn't matter how brief the flash in time is. It is objectively meaningless, but you have the power and capacity (just like anyone) to give it the best possible subjective meaning.

>>40651220 (OP)
Reincarnation doesn't have to be spiritual. It is also objectively more likely than eternal nothingness after death.

>>40655944
Dude, how? The heat death of the universe will happen regardless

>>40651883
This nigga is delusional.
>>40651958
Yeah, he's delusional.
>>40651220 (OP)
If this is all there is, then this existence is the only thing that matters. So no it's not meaningless.

>>40651958
Do you even understand what I said? Literally, every last word you wrote is a literal straw man.

>>40651220 (OP)
You're falling in a trap of dualist thinking where you're pinning scientific progress against supernatural. Even this universe is vast enough for species who would be seen as a greater power compared to us. A soul could be as simple as a logfile, to give a simple explanation.

>>40651220 (OP)
>no spirits
So what, you think the millions upon millions of first hand accounts of ghosts and millions of pieces of video evidence online are all bullshit? It's definitely possible. But a little hard to believe.

>>40656962
>Video evidence
You mean the faked videos, fake evidence and exaggerated accounts?

>>40656970
There's plenty of fake ones sure, but every single one? Seems unlikely.

>>40656991
Okay, post a real one.

Let's be real. Deep space photography and the cosmos spanning synchronous geometry it reveals should be proof enough of God being reality itself, and if it isn't, then the miraculous experience of being birthed from nothingness into somethingness and becoming you yourself should be sufficient. There are many greater powers, many inherent meanings, and it is our obligation as experiencers to categorize them all. And even if there weren't or currently isn't, God-Reality would inevitably eventually become so, as the cycle of unreality expands out of nonself into otherness.

A life – a functionally unlimited timeframe if a being can intelligently utilize all the many resources gifted to it by 'random chance' here on Earth, can coerce nature and its fellow beings into technological supremacy over matter, to correctly play the metagame of becoming a benevolent space faring sentience, and it all becomes an infinite flash in time – and is just the beginning of what this section of existence will have, and it is each entities duty to make it as meaningful as its creativity desires. God simply had the most powerful creativity, so potent it allowed you your own.

And that is fucking insanely, intensely obvious. You're found. Please seek to increase your IQ before posting here.

>>40657151
still not the slightest shred of evidence of God, a being that billions of people believe takes overt influence in the world like smiting Sodom with meteors. just more cope and fail logic

>>40656026
Life resists entropy we could expand it wih currenr tech. The Physics of Immortality was a good read

>>40651220 (OP)
One thing that I can’t comprehend is death
No I am not really scare but, I don’t understand it. Assuming no god and no afterlife etc, what even is death?
I can’t compare it to sleep, because even in deepest of dreamless sleeps, I still have some awareness, that I exist.
I can’t compare it to total darkness, or blindness, because perceiving darkness is also something I can do as an alive being, so it can’t be that.
I don’t have any frame of reference of NON EXISTENCE, and it become crazy to think about it
The one thing that I can feel like was closet to how death might feel, was that when I was 11 I got sucker punched real bad right in eye, and I blacked out, and hit ground, so bad, that when I opened my eyes, I had no idea when and how I ended up on ground.
It just took few seconds for me to “reboot” but it could also been a few million years and I wouldn’t have known the difference
Maybe death feels like that too

>>40656026
If the circumstances for the universe's creation could happen once it can happen again. Apply the same logic to our consciousness and brains as well.

>>40651374
Aislop

>>40651850
Your very awareness is proof that not everything can be measured and tangible

>>40651220 (OP)
>he doesn't know about quantum mechanics
>heshills for free

>>40651220 (OP)
The alternative is worse, and it's the truth
After everything you've experienced, nonexistence would be a blessing; if you could remember any of it. That's the one thing closest to a kindness they've done us. It's the implication though. Some lives you start to figure it out, but a life isn't that long and you're dead before you know it. All the while they do everything they can to give you a false understanding, and keep you subservient to their "matrix".