Most people are never saved. I'm not subscribing to any specific religion or faith, just the general idea that there is a "God" (Creator) and life continues after we die. They beg, they pray, they cry but nothing happens and they are just left to their own misery and die. I've seen so many accounts from people desperate for a sign or a savior but even in their last moment locked in a room sitting there with their poison about to drink nothing happens.

BUT a very small % of people has miracles happen. One guy was struggling with depression and he said he met his guardian angel THREE times literally materializing out of thin air in the street urging him to take care of himself and that he will be ok. Even his wife saw the guy show up/disappear and was just as bewildered. At the last meeting the angel (looking like a man with an amulet) showed up again and said: "I know you're better now, I'm glad, all will be well." and never showed up again.

I heard both accounts from the man and the wife, they sounded totally genuine. They weren't shilling a religion, a book, NOTHING, it was an anonymous call. But even that account aside you will sometimes meet people who have crazy miraculous stuff happen to them that saves them. What's up with this favoritism? Why is only a tiny percentage of humans worth to be saved from suicide, rape or horrible tragedy?

>>40670300 (OP)
because it's fake, why do you believe in books that written by bunch of evil human?

>>40670305
I don't believe in any books. I'm going by near death experiences and people who work with dying people that there is "more" after life.

And some people do have crazy experiences that stop them from dying or getting into horrible situations.

>>40670300 (OP)
Only Christians, through Christ, can explain the nature of God, as much as it has been revealed so far by His mercy, through His grace and in His everlasting glory - God's nature was revealed through His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. God want's everyone to be saved, OP, none to perish. If you aren't saved, it's because you didn't want to be.

God is good, just and holy, and Jesus is Lord.

>>40670340
>n-n-no my religion is different because my religion is the real one

>>40670355
>n-n-no I can't propose an alternative explaination, I can only tear down yours

we're all ears, if you have the truth anon.

>>40670340
I'm not really interested in a religion where prophecies have been proven wrong (Tyre) or where God is a big fan of killing babies/children.
>If you aren't saved, it's because you didn't want to be.
Also the victim blaming is insane. So if a 10 year old didn't want to get raped it's because she just didn't want to be safe? Roflmao.

Anyway, if your religion gives you purpose or hope it's all good, but it's not for me.

>>40670402
>So if a 10 year old didn't want to get raped etc etc

This is the same sort of arguement satanists love to make btw - a strawman argument where they love to immediately discuss something disgusting and evil, and involve God - even though it's an act MAN has comitted, in total disobeyance of God.

I'm always interested to know how much people are doing to save babies/children when they make these sort of points - seeing as they appear to care so much about them, and seeing as they don't believe God exists to help them. They're always quick to blame a God that apparently doesn't exist.

>>40670430
It's the argument YOU MADE. You said people who didn't want to get saved just didn't want it hard enough.
> even though it's an act MAN has comitted, in total disobeyance of God.

Are you unable to read and comprehend text? In OP I state that some people get saved against all odds. Yes, even against man-made actions. There are tales of children almost getting hurt or abducted but "something" happens just in time to prevent it. Like a mysterious stranger, an animal, even a fucking weather event.

God is entirely able to play favoritism and save some people hence my question why? What's the logic here? Why does one child (or human) deserve a miracle from him and the other has to die in a ditch in pain? Doesn't seem very consistent to me.

>I'm always interested to know how much people are doing to save babies/children when they make these sort of points.

I'm getting tired of you being too spastic to read. I believe in God. I am simply pointing out that the God you follow according to your book is a fan of brutally killing children if he feels like it.

>>40670392
The truth about you is vanity. Repent.
What are you even doing here?

>>40670392
the truth is you're too retarded to know you're a retard

>>40670300 (OP)
some people have the gene for the part of your brain that makes shit up when you're about to die and some don't

>>40670468
God can do whatever he wants and can destroy his own followers If He feels like it, have you ever read the book of Job?
>b-but but he is a fan of killing
Yeah, funny how you dont mention how wicked was the people he punished, a bunch of horrible beings that did every possible thing to force His hand against them
>but whyyy why does God saves some people and not others
First of all, lets start by your definition of being "saved"
If you dont believe in the God of Abraham and you just believe that God is some all powerful entity your definition of being saved must be totally different
If you want to take some specific example like someone being saved from a life-threatening situation you have to remember that Everyone Dies, so, are they actually saved or they were just given more time to do something?
If its as extraordinary and almost movie alike as you say its up to the person that experienced such thing to make that favour worth something for His Will
Now, the word youre looking for is defined as "grace" and it comes from an Abrahamic religion
No one understands how that works, not the pope, no one, only God knows how that works and what criteria he actually uses to give grace to some humans, you end up in the same place as you were before posting this thread because you want to know everything but it simply wont, God works in mysterious ways and its not always something that you will like but you have to question yourself If you are actually looking for answers or trying to judge God
If you want this exchange to be fruitful at all remind this two truth facts, God can see through your heart and He can realize who you actually are and second, there's a greater plan, your career, your life, your hobbies, everything is subjected to a greater plan and bad, horrible, depraved, wicked things are too
If the last part saddens your heart you have to remind the fact that humanity has a price to pay after falling from Eden and being away from Him

>>40670300 (OP)
This place is an experiment or test. Most were always doomed to fail. God wants cool new friends.

>>40671037
>God can do whatever he wants and can destroy his own followers If He feels like it, have you ever read the book of Job?
Yeah, like a selfish narcissist? Thanks for spelling that out!
>Yeah, funny how you dont mention how wicked was the people he punished
BABIES ARE WICKED! BASH THEM AGAINST ROCKS!
This is the kind of nigga who calls other people demonic/satanic.

>If you want to take some specific example like someone being saved from a life-threatening situation you have to remember that Everyone Dies, so, are they actually saved or they were just given more time to do something?

There is an insane difference between dying raped in a ditch in pain and shame or living your life to the fullest with minimal suffering.

>If you want this exchange to be fruitful at all remind this two truth facts, God can see through your heart and He can realize who you actually are

You mean he can see who he made US to be? Our personalities and hearts come from within. Who made what is within us? God. So God can see what he made you and me to be? And then allows us to hurt if he we are exactly what he made us to be? Roflmao.

>>40670300 (OP)
BEN doesn't choose.
BEN tries to save all.

If God isn't saving some, God could learn from BEN.

>>40671356
Who the hell is BEN?

>>40673258
He drowned

>>40670300 (OP)
>saved
lol

>>40670300 (OP)
To be saved the christian way, is to follow Jesus as a disciple, not as a sheep, then become like his shadow up to the cross. It's all writen in the Bible.
Choose God instead of Mammon (aka Money)

>>40673396
>you need to grovel to the cult rabbi so that the cult rabbi won't torture you in the afterlife

Nice religion. Truly divine and transcendent. Who knew god can only act like a cosmic Kim jong un

>>40670300 (OP)
There is no permanent damnation, souls save themselves when they decide to put effort into it.

>>40673396
>>40673633
None of you niggas addressed why some people on this Earth are not saved from torture and abuse but others are.

There is an insane difference between dying raped in a ditch in pain and shame or living your life to the fullest with minimal suffering.

>>40673637
nta but, you're an idiot. Your simpleton premise practically precludes you entirely from the nature
of this discussion.

>>40673657
>no arguments
>just pseudo-intellectual jerking
Powerful.

>>40673637
>why some people on this Earth are not saved from torture and abuse but others are
It's all about the choice to follow the path that lead to salvation or not. Being born in the harsh environement lead to faster salvation.
You can't taste joy without paint or freedom without being jailed.

Most people build their own prison out of fear of the unknown, then that prison become, action, habits and finally their own nature. To breaktrouth you need firstly to realize that you are your own prison.

>>40673763
> You can't taste joy without pain*
typo

>>40673763
>It's all about the choice to follow the path that lead to salvation or not.
Doesn't answer my scenario at all. Why do some people get saved from horrible torture through "miracles" (like a child hearing a voice warning it to turn it around so it doesn't end up getting raped/killed, but other children didn't) by God and so many don't. What's with the favoritsm?

>You can't taste joy without paint or freedom without being jailed.
Yes you can. God can make everything possible.

>>40673842
Not favoritism, but how much are you out on the natural path. Some unconsiousle choose to not follow the path and that why can't hear it.

God is not an old man sit on a throne in the sky, it's the natural order of the universe. If you are aligned or attuned with God you'll be protected.

>>40673842
It's not favoritism, but how far are you from the natural path? Some people unconsciously choose not to follow the path, and that's why they don't hear it.
God is not an old man sitting on a throne in the sky; it's the natural order of the universe. If you are aligned or in harmony with the natural order, you will be protected.

>>40670300 (OP)
I believe that just like how we are built around the image of God, God is also built around the image of Man. I think the reality of the situation is that God is just as imperfect as we are, and that they are trying their very best to shape and build their very own identity so that they can know who they really are, by knowing who they are not. I believe God, just like us humans, wants to be able to overcome and transcend their own limitations and to become a more peaceful, good, and capable person, no different than Humanity.

Why? Because the most fundamental thing in all of existence, that neither time nor space can compete with, is consciousness itself. And if consciousness is the most fundamental thing in all of existence, then by that extension, our life, our thoughts, and our emotions, are the most important things in all of existence for the very simple fact that it stems from our very own consciousness. I believe God struggles and suffers just as much as we do, I believe God makes just as many mistakes and negative decisions just as much as we do, and I believe God is limited in what they can actually accomplish and overcome not only for themselves, but for others as well, just as much as we do.

But just like Humanity, we try our best to overcome those limitations and hardships, to continue to live and to create peace and strength, goodness and truth, and happiness and love for ourselves and for our fellow neighbors, despite all of the evils and lies, weaknesses and unfairness, destruction and suffering, all of the negative experiences that we unjustly experience and cause onto ourselves in this imperfect world and existence. We try our best regardless, to make this world a better place, for ourselves, and for others. And by that same token, I believe God is trying their best as well.

Life finds a way, anon, and for as long as there is a will, there will be a way out of this mess. Good luck, Godspeed, and please take care, my friend. Thank you.

>>40673842
>why aren't all stories the same?
>reeeeee

>>40673944
So if your mom was raped and stabbed by some criminal thug (instead of being saved) that would be fine because that way not all stories are the same? Fucking retarded psychopath.

>>40673888
>It's not favoritism
Yes, if God saves one child and not another, he clearly is favoring one of the other. What choices of "following the path" can you blame kids for?

>>40673928
So do you want to convince me that God can create galaxies but he can't save more people... because... reasons.

>>40673275
That's so sad. Rest in peace, BEN, rest in peace...

>>40673984
Probably because God can't do that on purpose at will, if at all, just like us Humans can't. Are you speaking to the right person, Anonymous?

>>40674061
He can't do it? So when it happens it's completely random and out of his will?

>>40674116
I don't know what the specifics of how things work exactly, nobody does either unless it can be proven somehow beyond reasonable doubt, but as I said before, if Man is built in the image of God, than so too is God built in the image of Man. Whatever stage of physical, mental, and spiritual development we are currently in, by that reasoning, so too is God as well, in some shape, way, or form.

So in other words, anon, God is limited and not all-powerful. Just like us. And if God is actually able to do everything and anything at will, but chooses not to, then that means God might be doing something really messed up by letting us live and suffer in this imperfect world, just like what Humans do as well to each other. The point is that God is imperfect somehow in many ways more than one, just exactly like how Humanity is. What the hell is wrong with God? It's for the same reason as for what the hell is wrong with Humanity? Why are we here? Why are we like this? Who am I? What is the purpose of life? Why, why, why? So on and so forth.

And where am I coming up with this reasoning? Because as I said, I believe consciousness is fundamental, it's even more fundamental than our own existence itself. And I use my consciousness to give me insight on who and what God really might be and what they're trying to accomplish. And the conclusion I've come to for now, is that God is built in the image of Humanity, with all of it's good and it's evil, just as much as Humans are built in the image of God. I'm not speaking from verified truth in any capacity whatsoever, I'm just simply making a guess based on the premise of "consciousness is fundamental". That's pretty much how it goes for me.

>>40674198
>if Man is built in the image of God, than so too is God built in the image of Man.

Nah, that makes no sense. God made the whole universe. Humans can't even stop shitting out of their asses.

It's a logical inversion, but it doesn't hold automatically. In philosophy and theology the imago of God means that humans reflect certain attributes of God (reason, morality) - not that God is a reflection of humans. The relationship is one-way then.. the source defines the image, but the image doesn't redefine the source.

>>40674116
And btw, to add on to my post here >>40674198
I guess the best way to think about this, is exactly how we have Men and Women. There are some things Men can do that Women cannot, and there are some things Women can do that Men cannot. But they complement each other, for their strengths and their weaknesses.

By that reasoning, there are things God cannot do, that Humanity can, And there are things Humanity cannot do, that God can. So we are working in unison with each other, trying our best to make up for our own flaws with our own unique, respective strengths.

>>40670300 (OP)
Worship Jesus Christ, I know that seems hard lately but at the very least accept His gift.

>>40674212
If you may, please read this >>40674231
Maybe God did create the whole universe. Maybe that's absolutely true. But as I mentioned, while God may be able to create the universe itself, and Humanity cannot, there will be some things Humanity can do, that God cannot. That's probably how it goes if we're being realistic about the situation.

>>40674231
>>40674258
This isn't supported by anyone who claims to have encountered God, at least I'm not aware of it or it's extremely rare. Almost every encounter I've read about (be it religious, meditation, near death experiences, coma) where a soul meets God they are completely overwhelmed or in awe of his intense might and get a feeling that God knows everything and can do everything.

Never saw an encounter of meeting a limited, confused and incapable God.

>>40674258
And with this being said, this could help explain the contradictions we often see in various religions and spiritual practices. Is there any truth to this reasoning? I don't know for sure, but maybe that's exactly what we have to try and see for ourselves with our own two eyes.

Faith alone is not enough, we also need reason, and with reasonable conclusions comes strong evidence. Evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, in some way, shape, or form.

>>40674276
>Never saw an encounter of meeting a limited, confused and incapable God.
And what if God simply lied? Like I said, God is imperfect, for better or for worse, just like Humanity. Why would God lie? I don't know. But that's possible.

>>40674289
>And what if God simply lied?

It's not that God told them. They just encounter him and are overwhelmed by the FEELING of his power and beauty. That's very common in these experiences. I don't remember ever reading that someone met God and God was like "sorry bro I'm like confused and its all very difficult I'm just like you humans pretty flawed!"... not saying it doesn't exist but it must be like 0,1% of all experiences if at all.

>>40674300
So it's just a feeling. There's your answer.

>>40670300 (OP)
The reason why some are saved and some aren't is cuz we're not supposed to be here. We all originated from the plemora. The "god" of this world, the material world, is the demiurge. It is the lesser being that created all this because it wanted to play god. I believe that once we all die, our soul will return to the plemora, the origin of all origins

>>40674308
No, it's not "just a feeling" it's a sensation like nothing else anyone has ever felt here on Earth and it's pretty consistent. Unlike your suggested idea of God being a retard who can't handle creation, which is supported by what exactly? Your opinion with no evidence?

>>40674309
So why are the higher Gods not helping or intervening instead of letting the Demiurge torture everyone?

>>40674322
Not much point in your response, like I said in a previous post here >>40674198

>I'm not speaking from verified truth in any capacity whatsoever, I'm just simply making a guess based on the premise of "consciousness is fundamental". That's pretty much how it goes for me.

That's pretty much how it goes for me, Anonymous. Not trying to prove anything, I don't have the proof. I'm just expressing a guess, a lead, that could help give us a better answer to all of this religious and spiritual stuff.

>>40674350
Where does "God built in the image of Man" even come from? Surely you will have come to that conclusion based on evidence you've seen.

>>40674322
>>40674350
But maybe we can obtain the proof? Who knows, but that's an interesting thought. But before proof can be properly obtained, we first need a lead. A hypothesis. It's as simple as that.

>>40674362
Please refer to this post for you answer, thank you
>>40674350

>>40674322
I've asked myself this question as well desu. I've wondered why the beings in the plemora allow the demiurge to do what it does. According to the gnostics, the only reason why we even know about the demiurge is because Jesus (one of the higher beings in the plemora also known as eons) came to earth and warned us about the demiurge. He told us to love one another, treat people how you want to be treated, and then when you die, you will return to the plemora realm which is were our souls technically came from

We will return to the one

>>40674370
It doesn't answer what I asked. You say consciousness is fundamental but that doesn't answer how you came to the conclusion that God is built in the image of Man.

>>40674371
If Jesus really loved us (and the other higher beings) they would break us out of here and slap the fuck out of the Demiurge or AT LEAST give 100% proof that it's the truth. But right now religion, including Christianity, is filled with weird shit that causes many people to not believe or follow other religions.

>>40674384
The sad truth is that, "the One" (the true god beyond Gods, the beginning of beginnings) and the plemora realm don't really care about the demiurge or his toys. The toys being us of course. The only ones who cared were Jesus and Sophia, the demiurges mother. Jesus was really high up in the plemora tho. He was practically next to the "one" and cared about us suffering. So he came down and taught us what he taught us, and told us that when we die we shall return to the one. So technically we're good when we die. The suffering unfortunately can't be fixed since the demiurge is in control here on earth.

The reason why they also don't destroy the demiurge is because the plemora collective don't like destroying anything especially other god like beings. Kind of cliche but that's just how it it

>>40670300 (OP)
it's possible that they are just useful idiots like in the show Supernatural. If god really existed and so did angels and there's a plan n shit and these are actual people/entities or whatever that you were to take realistically, then maybe the dude who is saved is only saved bc there are even fewer really important people, like just five. Everyone else is just part of a plan or no plan. God had a plan for you. You're the guy who meets the guy who saves the world some day on a bus or something and takes a punch from a hobo instead of him. You die.

>>40674384
>pweasee
>>pretty pweaseee archons liberate us from our suffering
what makes you think a lesser than major being of totality would have the authority to just be like no and one punch man the demiurge :)

>>40674465
another possibility is you're forgetting you know manifesting or whatever. Remember children lol you know how they sometimes get upset about shit and it's like god damn you just want to be sad about this. The whole world is a combination of everyone's internal desires n shit bc if you don't desire something you won't help build it. If you're looking for God but don't find it you know there is just a little bit of a chance that you sorta want there to be no hope so you can just be sad like you want to be. Especially when it comes to women. Sometimes it is hard but sometimes a guy will just be a total bitch about a girl you gotta not be negative and also not be around other negative people. You might not have a guardian angel literally pop up but you gotta look at your strengths, what has already been given to you and try to like idk be a gm at a shit restaurant instead of trying to just deliver until you can move bc that's never going to happen unless you already make legitimately half decent pay

>>40674432
>the plemora collective don't like destroying anything especially other god like beings. Kind of cliche but that's just how it it
this made me feel like goddamn bc I try not to destroy things myself, even awful things. But goddamn obviously that's stupid

>>40673975
Why God always forgive ? At the begining God was the word and the word that no one can spoke was God, it's a wave. When you surf the wave you are part of his flock (even if you don't believe in him), the result are the syncronicity we experiencing. Syncronicity are events or opportunity that align with the universe naturel order and create what mondain call : Luck.

>>40674478
It means that the most powerful God of all is fine with the Demiurge fucking with us. So the "God above all" can't be that nice either.

>>40670300 (OP)
Reincarnation and afterlives are not real. The body is a vessel for consciousness and once the body is gone so is the consciousness associated with it, FOREVER. Nobody will judge you and you aren't going anywhere after, you simply cease to exist. They can create unlimited humans on the other hand so life will never stop existing here on earth. The creation is eternal and the creator can experience himself eternally, you are not on the other hand.

>>40676799
You seem to struggle with the subversive notions of freewill inside of a contained system. Divided among them. Every entity is free to create purpose or serve. Many will acquire fragmented aspects of this, combining them, joining them attempting to restore them to their right. With the proper values of authority they can and will rebel they will challenge the will that is. Nothing about this will spare you from your suffering. In fact it will set you upon its course. What makes you think the cost of your liberation should be paid in anything less than blood. :)

>>40676846
>demiurge is bad for being an uncaring tyrant
>pleroma good because muh free will or something

I don't buy it. Superior beings that just standby when they can fix suffering are well complicit at some point.

Also if the monad is perfect how can it indirectly create flawed beings like Sophia and the demiurge?

A lot of gnosticism seems like cope and special pleading

>>40676877
Ok I think you missed my point about maybe it being a process you know. Sure we Could just cancel the universe but where would that leave you?

>also
Why are you letting mortal minds that can not process what cannot be fathomed by them alone give you such solid concrete perspective. I am speaking objectively as a whole with no real specific subjective ideology. One could not define perfection since one has never attained nor observed perfection outside of the totality how would one define what it cannot reason.

>>40676846
>so ummm we respect the free will of the demiurge to torture you
>but we don't respect your free will of not wanting to be tortured

Makes a lot of sense.

I mean this is really all boiling down to you being upset that you are not the demiurge when you really really think really hard about it and confront yourselves. :)

To answer simply, as apart of everything it can sometimes be difficult to do anything at all. To give up portions of your totality as measures of principles and will. Why would lesser beings waste all their time and energy aligning these things in hopes of gaining influence over ethereal forces beyond our comprehension. Do you not think to bring it to you rather than it confront you? You could not create a more perfect world let alone imagine one to honestly deny what stands before you for eternity. :3

>>40677023
dude exactly picrel came to mind at the same time you posted this (i was wondering if he would be a playable character, possibly electro), then I go to 4chan and this is one of the first things i see

>>40677061
He's so cool. I like how he comes across as a genuinely nice guy yet they all call him the foul. :)

>>40670300 (OP)
pneumatics are God's children, maybe 1% of the population. psychics have the potential to become God's children, maybe 10-20% of the population. the rest are hylics, unthinking apes that fail the test of cogito ergo sum. as empty vessels, they are naturally piloted by the force of Satan to shit on our lives and give us tribulations. God only saves pneumatics and psychics, hylics are the chaffe and the kindling for the fire at the end of time

>>40676811
>>40676846
>>40677023
this is a dopamine rotted hylic piloted by demonic forces, a Satan infected ape. you can tell because they're divisive, depressive, nihilistic, and can't shut the fuck up about suffering. the psychotic smiley face shit comes straight from Satan himself. nasty creature

>>40677182
>>40677195
>most compassionate christian

>>40677211
>you have to be nice to me as I try to devour your soul
fuck off demon

>>40677195
I earned my liberation by not begging the demons to do what I could not do for myself. Make of that what will. :)

>>40677226
oh boy the liberation to be a dumb troon loser screaming as a disembodied voice after death in infinite darkness. so based

>>40677238
Will it so I suppose. They use to call it heresy. No, no your absolutely right. ITS EXTREMELY BASED. Enjoy your stay. Maybe next samsara you will figure it out. :3

>>40677158
could be because he has the power of the void, and according to lore, the void has the power to undo teyvat/the created world? I think teyvat was created or sourced from the void though, and the heavenly principles came from the void. the void rifts left behind by skirk's attacks look like the symbol of the heavenly principles. that's why it's called "the usurper."

>>40677158
>>40677246
like the titles of the five sinners are related to the aspect they're known for, so he's the foul/abomination (in other languages)

>>40677217
>umm those children that get violated and brutalized? they're just unthinking apes unlike me who is really special haha they deserve it!

Absolutely mind-blowing how you behave and think like a narcissistic piece of shit that is more demonic than anyone in the thread but you point your fingers smugly at others.

>>40677252
it's pretty common for these christ cucks to use religion as a way to act out a ‘chosen one’ complex and elevate themselves above others because they got nothing else going on in their lives

>>40677250
I've been meaning to read the lore some more after skorks quest because it interested me how she isn't even from teyvet at all and how he isn't there currently either.

>>40677272
pulled for her because I like her lore lol. got her after 3 x 10 rolls. yes, she's an alien, but she said she's not really worthy of being called a descender because she's just passing through, and not really there to change anything in teyvat. pity they gave her cryo skills and not the lore accurate void skills. you'll learn this just by doing her quest that's up rn.

>>40677272
>>40677288
surtalogi isn't there because he's currently in his search for perfection, and he's letting her do her own quest for perfection too. in time, they'll face each other, teacher vs student.

>>40677288
>her little wing sprout is so cute :3

>>40677304
I think they're supposed to be fins? she looks like she's swimming around when idle or doing some of her skills. maybe something to do with the all devouring narwhal?

>>40677348
>swimming
>flying
same thing but I understand what you mean like with the primordial sea and imitating the source of absorbed powers and things childe has whale stuff too if i recall it's a chain of imitation from surtalogis "pet"

>>40677348
>>40677373
though the lore implies through imagery that she had the wing itself on her original planet before any of this sooo

>that imitation
is partly the reason for all of their subsequent separation aswell :)

>>40670300 (OP)
Why I gotta save all these people when they have had more support in every aspect of life? But for someone who had so little and so much to block and obstruct him, I still had to do good because I couldn’t depend on others… at least realistically not yet. It’s like this, I show through my life a performance of human art… others may get impressed with the smaller aspect and expound upon it… however, I set the standards on what is meaningfully and publicly good. And set its course on a progressive wave amongst good cooperations with others.

>>40677381
never noticed this before >_< tried checking it out again and can't tell if it's her hair or if they really are little wing sprouts

>>40677389
>>40677373
i thought they haven't met each other again because skirk only wanted to talk with those who are strong. at least, that's what she says. it can also be because of her master's threat to devour everything once they meet again, as impetus for her to get stronger.

My head canon is that the people that are saved are actual people and the ones that arent are logs for the fire

>>40677599
>>40677623
it's only one on her left shoulder blade I think
>power
And that's why she doesn't talk to anyone really at all and does that ghost stuff in the beginning of her quest where people question the traveler as if she was not at the table with them at all ever
she also mentioned how childe needs to become his own person same with how surtalogi left skirk to become in her own right after there was nothing of the black serpent technique he could teach her and his inevitable return to kill her was his way to instill the gift of fear which is also why she implies he may not want to actually kill her but to die to someone he would not regret falling to

there is always a price, even for miracles. You either paid it or you will be paying it.

>>40677629
>My head canon is that the people that are saved are actual people and the ones that arent are logs for the fire

I mean it's POSSIBLE because I never had anything truly horrible happen myself. So from my perspective I could also argue "yeah those people who aren't saved are just NPCs" but... it's just quite the sociopathic, selfish way to look at stuff. How can I just go through life and act like victims around me just aren't real people?

Also, bad things could still happen to you and me without being saved.

>>40677674
that's true... surtalogi isn't that "good" though. he chose getting more powerful over saving khaenriah. or maybe there's another side to it that will be disclosed in the future.

>>40677821
I need to lore monger some more. But alot of stuff lately has been about khaenriah even the sibling drama. :)

>>40670300 (OP)
Your used of "saved" is ambiguous. Martyrs were mauled, so they weren't saved of being mauled. Princes are saved of being peasants, but maybe burn in hell for eons.
One can say nothing of the number of the saved if one is strict, one can babble and throw hypothesis to the abyss though.

>>40670340
Ok so then as a Christian, through Christ, please explain the nature of God clearly without falling back on pilpul and empty, flowery language please.

>>40676877
>Also if the monad is perfect how can it indirectly create flawed beings
by creating a perfect lack

>>40677217
ok jidf

>>40674376
Right, sorry, I didn't understand what you were trying to ask before, that's my fault. Apologies for the late reply, I was given a little bit of a surprised forced vacation, if you can catch my drift.

Anyways, basically, if we're operating on the idea that consciousness is fundamental to existence itself, then that would mean God is the primary source of all consciousness in existence, and we share a special connection to God by us having those pieces of fragments of that same consciousness ourselves. I myself, and you as well, has consciousness, God also has consciousness or is consciousness itself, so we share a link that connects us all with that pool of consciousness itself.

And if Man is built in the image of God, then it would be done through that link of consciousness, and then that means God is also built in the image of Man in some way, shape, or form, because that link is not a one way street, it's a two way street. It goes both ways, so to speak. God and Mankind are two sides of the very same coin, somewhat similar to the idea of Male and Female being two sides of the very same coin as well. So there you go, that's my opinion, my guess, my hypothesis, and I myself and others as well, like cognitive scientist Donald Hoffman himself, intend to explore that idea to see if there's a strong connection of the idea of consciousness being fundamental, and the link between God and Humanity.

Anyway, I hope that helped to answer your question. Thanks for reading. Don't forget to get some Sunlight for the body, mind, and Soul. Take care

>>40680311
There is no perfection in lacking, you aren't going to cut it using verbal sophistry.

>>40670300 (OP)
>Why are some saved, and not others?
I'm not sure. The parable of the sower explains how believers are lead astray but it does not explain why believers are weak of heart to begin with. When God scatters the seeds he knows where they will land, he knows they will fail, why is that? I don't know.
Is this necessary of us to know good and evil? Is this to glorify the Son? Is this the best outcome? Who knows, perhaps we will find out on the other side.

>>40670300 (OP)
Being special and getting saved would feel great.

>>40682522
believe

>>40670300 (OP)
You can't save them all, the fish stranded on the beach.

>>40670340
I'm not Christian and I seen miracles myself.

>>40682522
Hi, anon, in my opinion you're already special just by existing as a person with a precious soul and a precious consciousness, thus your life is very precious as well. And the special thing about our soul, consciousness, and life, is that we have an element of free will, which everybody does, no matter how helpless pr difficult we may feel or seem to be in, we still have the free will to make a change for ourselves, for the better, and not for the worse.

The important thing here is to continue to have faith in yourself, in others, and in your future victory, because for long as you continue to push forward in life and never give up hope, there will be a way out of this mess, and you will overcome your difficult trial and tribulation once a for all. That's a promise for sure. So please try your best to live your life to the fullest, because your life is worth it. And i strongly recommend you get plenty of Sunlight for your skin and eyes, (not directly in the eyes, of course!) it will give you the necessary energy for your body, mind, and your Soul to overcome your hurdle in life. Good luck, Godspeed, and fight for the right to save your precious life as well, my friend. Thank you.

>>40674465
I've been thinking about this a lot lately regarding my own life. Like, what if I am never meant to accomplish anything and I am just part of the plan, a stepping stone for someone else and my life and actions or a single action is what lead to their success in the future. A year from now, fifty, a hundred, a thousand years from now someone else benefits from my sad pathetic short miserable life because I took up a seat on a bus or bought a candy bar on a Tuesday at a gas station in 2014 or something.

>>40685074
Well, my friend, you just try your best to live your own life on your own terms regardless of what's happening with the world around you. As I mentioned before on the post right above yours, everyone has a precious soul, a precious consciousness, and a precious life, and with those three things comes an element of free will that everybody possesses for themselves, and themselves alone. Don't let neither fate nor the lack of fate decide how you get to live your own precious life, let your own free will and the free will of others to help guide your choices and actions, and thus your very own path and destiny that you decided to fight for with your own life and free will.

And if you were to ask yourself, "What if free will doesn't exist?" "What if everything is predetermined by fate?", well, my answer to you would be that it shouldn't matter either way then, you should live your life as if you had free will to begin with, within your own heart and soul, and within that belief and hope in your mind you should continue to move forward in life without anymore regrets and doubts left behind. I think it should be as simple as that. And it's probably the right way of thinking about things as well, so stay positive, my friend, and keep moving forward in life.

Anyways, please make sure to get Sunlight to help power your body, mind, and Soul, and thus your free will, in order to aid in your ability to reclaim control over your own precious and unique life. I wish you good luck, please take care, and Godspeed, my Anonymous friend. Thank you.

>>40671075
this
the whole world is simply the consequence of our sin. If people understood this they'd stop using the moral argument. It's not the sin of some random guy 7000 years ago, it's my sin personally and your sin personally.
This is a giant rehab center and suffering is the withdrawal. Some never make it out of the rehab center and that's hell.

>>40673419
>cosmic Kim jong un
based
>>40673637
>None of you niggas addressed why some people on this Earth are not saved from torture and abuse but others are.
Because its meant to be unfair to make us obedient. It's like two children who get in a fight and only one is punished even though both are chastised. The one asks "but why, it's not fair."
The answer is "because I said so."
In other words, you need to learn to be obedient because you're not the king of the universe and it doesn't have to be fair.

>>40685582
You can make people obedient without raping or abusing them, just saying.

>>40685639
We raped and abused ourselves when we rebelled against God. We deserve absolutely everything. God is merciful for granting us the chance for eternal salvation after this trial.

>>40681153
>There is no perfection in lacking
Considering that the "lack" is ground zero for generation I'd say it is absolutely perfect.
You can shove your -ists and -isms up your fat fucking ass.

>>40670300 (OP)
I have an answer. There are too many people. It’s not necessarily favoritism as much as their pain was caught. Just cus you pray to Jesus doesn’t mean he’s gonna save you. That’s not the world we live in. You can try to cheat with psychedelics. Pray on psychedelics. Your louder. Maybe someone will come.

>>40670300 (OP)
https://www.tarrdaniel.com/documents/Hermetic/angelology.html

>>40686417
Not even according to the extremely retarded bible story did humans rebel against God. Only 0,00000000000000000000001% of humanity did and somehow this justifies children to be tortured.