Hello. I am founding a new society / "cult" / research society for metaphysics called the scalpel. I am looking for those who are interested in understanding the basis for reality. I have not fully understood the nature of this world but have made progress in understanding it. The goal of this society is to teach eachother what we know. End of 'coord is RDZj8jVz if you're interested.

>>40674253 (OP)
what conclusive evidence of anything paranormal that is not just in your head did you gather so far?
can it be shown in a falsifiable test?

>>40674407
What counts as paranormal? If by paranormal you mean supernatural, that is extraordinary, then I have observed a few extraordinary things, that is things that are not typically observed. By their very nature, supernatural things do not regularly occur, so it is completely silly to ask about testing for them.
If by paranormal you mean not physical, then I observed many things and would be willing to investigate them with you, but I am not interested in proving the validity of my research, simply in engaging in it.

>>40674424
What have you observed specifically?
Can we test it?

>>40674492
I have observed a few things. The most supernatural was writing in my mirror. No this cannot be tested because it was supernatural. It did not recur.
The other things I have observed are natural, that is, they can be observed at any time. The things denied by physicalism are usually of one of these two types, either very seldom present and exceedingly rare, or else constantly present.
To answer your question regarding the latter, I have observed what I would call "spirits," by which I mean not merely physical objects or feelings or aesthetics or intelligences, but something in-between all of these. Many of these are currently oppressing us. For instance, recently I was thinking about this spirit of garbage that I have encountered several times in my dreams that I believe is ruling over this world. I also believe I've encountered demons, especially in my dreams. Those are the most sensational kinds of things I've discovered. I've also observed things like the existence of God and a few levels of existence, as well as the the Primordial One and how it transcends the contingent reality. Also the existence of coessences and how they related to consciousness. None of these things are easy to understand and all took years to understand for me. I'm hoping others have noticed things I have not.

>>40674492
I'm basically confident the Buddhists have gone very far in their investigations regarding essentially the same kind of thing I'm interested in, but in a very different direction. I'm essentially trying to rebuild from scratch what the sages of the great civilizations built up over thousands of years and which we have almost entirely lost in modernity, although it's clear enough the dilemna is not precisely temporal in nature but extra-temporal, hence the Buddhist maxim that everyone is already enlightened, that there is not a number of enlightened that can be added to, and that enlightenment is instantaneous, all of which only make sense outside of the logical / temporal framework.

>>40674549
>>40674589

Thanks for sharing your experience and perspective. I am mostly interested in things that we can test. Is there anything paranormal/supernatural/non-physical that we can test to make sure it's objectively real and not just subjectively real?
If yes what tests would you propose?

>>40674253 (OP)
idk it seems like any sort of understanding of things is inherently a schizo ramble

>>40674680
I look at it like this. Consciousness is already non-physical. If you wish to test for it, observe that over the course of time there are two separate perspectives. A perspective is a unified collection of things existing together (coessent with eachother). Division in perspective interpersonally is what is meant by consciousness (although many people don't really understand what the term actually means and materialist philosophy confusing everyone is no small part of the problem).
Beyond this, there are many other things. Non-physical realities will inevitably seem subjective to anyone who used to thinking in terms of "physical (3-D object detectable with three senses) = objective"
The closest thing I can give you is physical phenomena that defy conventional explanations, but that isn't actually non-physical, just extraordinary and supernatural. For instance, the Mars effect in athletes is very "scientifically testable" so to speak. Another good example is the predictive capability of dreams, which I have a lot of personal experience with, but this cannot be rigorously measured because the dreams usually have thematic similarity to future occurrences rather than direct, but there is scientific research along the lines of telepathy. See https://parapsych.org/uploaded_files/pdfs/00/00/00/00/97/10_utts_assesment_of_the_evidence_for_psychic_functioning.pdf
These things just scratch the surface though because ultimately they still concern the realm of what is immediately measurable in physicality, just hard to explain according to modern scientific theories.

>>40674749
>it seems like any sort of understanding of things is inherently a schizo ramble
it kind of is. the way of seeing things that is normal relies upon what is objectively present in a sensory way that can be put under the rule of quantitative assessment. Most things that exist aren't like that though. I won't pretend its easy to discover what else is out there. It requires a radical shift in perspective that I have not even come close to fully accomplishing.

>>40674253 (OP)
What conclusion have you drawn? Out of all the theories and hypotheses out there, which ones do you think are correct? Since you are a cult, you have to have a goal. Or a belief and you must have a way to back it up. Otherwise you have a study group. Which is fine.

>>40675005
My broad goal is to transcend the modern world and create a new order in its wake
My micro goal is to simply see things clearly and help others see things clearly, and the two are not unrelated

>>40675005
My belief is that there is a transcendent order beyond this one, which is founded by God. I personally am a Christian but the organization I am founding is not strictly sectarian. Obviously my Christian leaning influences my broader perspective of what is going on, but the main purpose of the "cult" is to create a hierarchical order through which to dethrone the modern world by creating an organized body that can see through its illusions and act serve as a conduit towards a higher order of existence to the masses who are worthy, which is the purpose all initiatic orders serve.
Those who are worthy are simply those who take the calling seriously.
>why not just the the church
because the church is not currently dealing with these issues. Maybe in time it will.
>what can this add more than salvation?
it will not grant you salvation but hopefully provide the tools to make the effort towards eternal life easier by understanding wtf is going on in the past century or so on a spiritual level, which requires an understanding of the metaphysical basis of anything at all
that's the gist

>>40674253 (OP)
have you met a woman I only know her as Brenda she has a friend named Michael as well she was out in arizona until she moved to michigan. They really now their stuff.