Christians online keep saying that new age practices and witchcraft are actually demonic, and that by engaging in them I'm opening myself up to demons. Is that true?

>>40676357 (OP)
>Christians online keep saying that new age practices and witchcraft are actually demonic,
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD, Deuteronomy 18:10-12, the Holy Bible.

Manasseh was twelve years old when he began to reign, and he reigned fifty and five years in Jerusalem: But did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, like unto the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel.

For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them. Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.

And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD. And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever. 2 Chronicles 33:1-7, the Holy Bible.

>>40676357 (OP)
>and that by engaging in them I'm opening myself up to demons. Is that true?
And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. Acts 16:16-18, the Holy Bible.

>>40676357 (OP)
>Christians online are actually demonic

ftfy

see:
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>>40676357 (OP)
Their point is moot. Why wouldn't you want to consort with all sorts of spirits, demons included? Don't live in fear like christcucks.

>>40676428
>Christians online are actually demonic
devil: a traducer; specifically Satan, false accuser, slanderer.
Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt not bear false witness.

>>40676431
>Why wouldn't you want to consort with all sorts of spirits, demons included?
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12, the Holy Bible.
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. 1 Samuel 15:23, the Holy Bible.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23, the Holy Bible.

>Don't live in fear like christcucks.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7, the Holy Bible.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew 5:30, the Holy Bible.

>>40676357 (OP)
Christianity is a new age religion.

>muh Christians
Who cares lmao.
I'm not even human, yes, you know what I am.
>Ure from Satan.
Nah, I'm from Jigoku.
>Muh Jesus
Lmao
Why would anyone believe your story and not mine?
If anyone feels like hes losing grip, drop me a line, I'll stab whatever fucker is inside you, Ryougi Shiki style.

>>40676544
How.

>>40676357 (OP)
"It's demonic" is just Christian for "I don't like it".

>>40676357 (OP)
"Yes, but." All of spirituality is dangerous, including Christianity. Christians just don't realize it because they don't understand their own holy book. Don't try to summon demons, don't go looking for trouble. Even certain types of meditation can be risky. Information itself can harm you, because there are truths you might regret learning.

>>40676496
>the beginning of knowledge
is picking up a book and studying things through a rational process, lest we would have stayed fools combing the desert. Experimention is part of that, so would the Lord be so poor to think lowly of a curious mind and honest heart? Is a biologist not praise worthy for knowing the natural world intimately? Would the same not exist for nonphysical study? In a safe and guided fashion?

At the very least it beats clubbing other tribes to death over a mudflat.

>>40676792
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. John 39:41, the Holy Bible.

>>40676792
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. John 9:39-41, the Holy Bible.

Read the Book of Enoch if you want to see one possible origin for most occult/New Age stuff. Not part of the canon in most churches now, but interesting. If true, there are good reasons to avoid all of that stuff.

no. 99% of christians can't even be bothered to follow the teachings of Christ. They're certainly in no position to condemn anything or anyone to hell.

Also hell isn't real.

>>40676357 (OP)
I want follow up on OP’s question about hairsplitting issues regarding “divination”. Plainly, the ban on the invocation of spirits includes objectively dangerous practices such as Ouija boards and other spells by retards trying to get a thrill out of the underworld. Yet Astrology to Aquinas was seen as a potentially ok as a science of nature, but not as a form of the divination. In the middle ground there is tarot, which is unnatural in its assessment of the world but does not (by name) invoke spirits. So what do you do?
Also am a practicing Catholic so this bizarre meta argument stuff is important

>>40676357 (OP)
Then that would imply Jesus Christ did new age practices as well, (New testament) and thats why demons like satan approached him, everyone is open to demons, but it's up to them to close them off, and shut them down
Those christians online need to read the bible more

>>40676781
>Even certain types of meditation can be risky.
>Information itself can harm you, because there are truths you might regret learning.
Really?

>>40676357 (OP)
>Is that true?
Yes, in the point of view of Christian, and this point of view is shared by Muslims and Jews too.

>>40677978
Not that anon, but yes.
When God "put" Man in the Garden of Eden, He did it so Man could develop himself with ideal conditions, this including any superior power.
When the Serpent presented Knowledge to the couple, It did knowing they weren't prepared to that knowledge at that point.
God seeing what the Serpent have done expelled it.
Also expelled the the Couple so through their bloodline the Saviour would make redeemption of the Serpent, if the Serpent humble itself and accept the Salvation.

>>40676431
So demons exist but God is a fairy tale?

>>40676357 (OP)
Yeah obviously

>>40677978

Of course. Some forms of meditation are "meant" to make you suggestive and open to whatever wants to sway you. That could be your own negativity, or some outside entity making suggestions that feel like your own thoughts. Perhaps even more dangerous for the curious meditative seekers of truth is something known as "prelest", a false feeling, where you believe you're making spiritual "progress", when in actuality you are sliding backwards into pride and self-delusion. This can be influenced through outside forces aswell.

It's hard enough to seperate your own will from your inner voice, shit, how many people have figured out what their own will is? Some forms of meditation will absolutely be dangerous to anyone who doesn't know themselves. If you believe in nothing you'll fall for anything.

Regarding "outside" forces, well, demons or other "entities" are real, as are other people trying to influence you through spiritual means.

>>40676431

Why shouldn't we fear them? They are completely alien, most with unknown motivations, unknown purposes/functions, and unknown abilities. They are beyond our (mankind as a whole) ability to study and understand (at this time, if ever). Sure, someone somewhere has gleaned useful information. Why would I ever engage with something that I cannot kill? What i mean by this is; why would I engage with something that doesn't have the same metaphorical "skin in the game" as me?

>>40677480
>They're certainly in no position to condemn anything or anyone to hell.
>Also hell isn't real.
Lol
Also it is God who condemn's not human beings
The whole point of Jesus Christ is that no human being is good

>>40676357 (OP)
not sure if demons are real
the dynamic of just namecalling someone demon possessed to discard their opinion, do tribal signaling, do fearmongering and create peer pressure is extremely dishonest, tyrannical and deeply anti-intellectual in the worst possible way

so my answer is: no it's not true, and the claim is fearmongering for social control

>>40676357 (OP)
The online is moving the ethical lines wildly because it's handlers are looking for something or applying pressure to the few remaining humans.
As you climb the ladder of consciousness there will eventually be a point where colors go away and everything is very black and white. Some internet bugs claim to know where black and white is and just try to uproot others' traditions to honor their own.
You can let them uproot the superstition that came from our grandmother's but dont let them twist the kjv

>>40682358
>the dynamic of just namecalling someone demon possessed to discard their opinion, do tribal signaling, do fearmongering and create peer pressure is extremely dishonest, tyrannical and deeply anti-intellectual in the worst possible way
It's funny because that is what the Pharisees did to Jesus

>>40682374
okay? Is this supposed to be a justification for christians to do the same?
what is funny about it?

>>40682415
It's amusing to see a striking force on an immovable object when the immovable object was expecting the striking force to have come from the other side. Its funny to observe a perfect inversion of how it was

>>40682415
Cops who forgot the quantum nature of observation and the more they poured on resources of sabotage the further they got from attaining their goal

>>40682420
If the immovable object is immovable, it doesn't matter where the striking force is coming from or if the immovable object expects it or not. you are not making any sense with your suggestive vague ramblings
inb4: you just don't get it dude, i am so smart

>>40682463
All the mk ultra victims and wannabe white boys that snapped under the mental abuse will be upheld as martyrs to big brother's lust for world domination and praised as being humble, adorably gullible, and easily persuaded meek inheritors of the earth.
We now out there to turn boomers into mk ultra victims or sycophants for faith hope and charity to God.

>>40682489
you are starting an unrelated topic. I am interested in discussing the threads topic, not your unrelated topic

>>40682531
You asked me to make sense. I was only clarifying justification

>>40676357 (OP)

>>40682534
Your "clarification" didn't make sense and obscured the point you was supposedly trying to make

>>40682566
It's still amusing to see a striking force on an immovable object. My clarification is we found the striking force now the striker will turn it upon themselves to find themselves

Kinda, but only atheists are more ignorant on demons than Christians online.

>>40676357 (OP)
A lot of people forget that magic was a gift from God to king Solomon the Wise as a measure of the covenant.
The Bible describes diviners as "those who seek to undermine the will of God"

It is written that, man, abusing the power of King Solomon's seals, were corrupted, and as a sign he gave dominion over the seals to Satan, known as a "master of magic", and that those who would attempt to undermine the will of God again, would instead find themselves servant to Satan.

Tldr; Biblically speaking, Jew magic like kabbalah or using divination to try and change fate will get you possessed but other things like "white" magic are fine

>>40677978
Yes, absolutely. I mean it in the most serious way.