Goetia is actually real. Marbas helped my sick bird get his appetite back and eat again. This is actually real.

>>40679568 (OP)
Demons are archetypes, not real guys walking around. Marbas is drastic, painfull, spiritual expensive ways to improve your apearence. Low Marbas energy would be bulimic girls. Moderate exemple would be plastic surgerys. Extreme exemple, young girl get pregnant, wait 3 months to gain boobs and waist curves then get an abortion. Ceremonial magic is a trap for retards, demons live trough humans behaviour, not candles and chants

If this is viral marketing for that one Helluva Boss fanfic, good job OP. Keep pumping out chapters.

>>40679568 (OP)
Appetite for what, Anon?

>>40679944
He was lethargic and not eating enough food.

>>40679948
Yes, but what was he fed?

>>40679568 (OP)
Yeah and now he has certain legal entitlements to you because you came to him for assistance, established a relationship with him, and did something that you are now indebted for. Congrats, you are now a demon's goyslave. Hope the bird was worth it.

>>40679668

This line of thinking is incredibly dangerous. Wait until you get in a disagreement with one of these things and wake up the next morning covered in bruises with scratches. These things are real and not treating them as such is one of the most dangerous ideas a conjurer can walk around with.

>>40679993
This. They're complete monsters. They'll beat your ass.

>>40679956
What is so evil about mutually doing things for each other?

>>40680135
There is nothing you can do for him that's equivalent to what he's capable of. You will run up a debt you can't pay, which he'll leverage against you to force you to do things you don't want to do. He'll pummel a place out of your brain and occupy it like a parasite, telling you what to do, consuming more of your identity until you're hardly yourself anymore. Humans are clay pots. That isn't a metaphor. We were made to contain spirit, the holy spirit specifically, but you can let anyone in who you hold the door open to. What he wants you to do, more than anything, is die. Since you've let him into your life, he is now working tirelessly- literally, tirelessly- in order to achieve that goal. That's what's wrong with
>mutually doing things for each other
You're not. The more he does for you, the more he owns you, the more he owns you, the closer you will be pulled to the abyss. The only thing any demon wants with any human is to watch them jump off of a bridge and go to hell with them forever. You have no idea what the fuck you're doing.

>>40680180
>go to hell with them forever
Unironically, then what?

>>40679993
also this, I did a shoddy goetia summon for no reason with my friend and woke up 2 weeks later with my back top to bottom covered and I mean covered in fresh blood, what id describe blunt weapon scratches that I simply could not have done. never again

>>40680272
Then nothing. You are tortured for all of eternity. Same as them. They spite God by peeling another human away from him and dragging you into the smoldering little crevice they begrudgingly call home. Then they rip your spine out through the back of your throat and whip your floppy body around like a wet t-shirt, all the while you shriek with agony.

>>40680293
It was worth it to make my pet bird better, unironically

>>40680306
Sure man that's very wholesome chungus of you but you need to cut this thing out of your life as soon as possible or else you will be totally unrecognizable to the point where you would stomp your pet bird into a bloody stain on the floor out of regret for ever talking to him. He will make you fucking miserable. Do not delude yourself with this cute shit. You got what you wanted, now get out and get clean. Talk to a priest immediately.

>>40680321
>Talk to a priest immediately.
Already way too late for that

>>40680277
>for no reason
Well that's stupid. You're a fucking moron.

>>40680332
No, it isn't. He's already having an effect on you lol. Or maybe you're just a cynic. Either way, you're ignorant of how this works. It is never too late for any human in any situation, ever, to turn to Christ. We have an extremely good deal as far as sapient beings go. There is not enough people you could kill that would make God turn his back on you. This is all incredibly small to him. He is ultimately the one in charge, and is more than eager to nullify the connection you've made with this demon. You get infinite chances until you're dead. You're not dead yet, right? So suck it up and get to church. I'm not being a bible thumper here, I have done this shit before, other anons have agreed. You need to know that you are more valuable than your bird and that what you did is very bad, but fixable. Please take my words into consideration.

>>40680367
>It is never too late for any human in any situation, ever, to turn to Christ.

I'm not going to tell you my whole life story but I can assure you I've already tried to go down that road.

>>40680381
Then go back

>i'm not being a bible thumper here...

>>40680400
Go back where? 4chan isn't your Christian echo chamber sweaty. This isn't /pol/

>>40680416
Back to God you sperg

Remember the only real magick is the summoning and binding of spirits. Everything else is new age mumbo jumbo.

>>40680648
>hur dur i stood in the middle of crowd and my wife didn't see me
>invisibility spell worked

>>40679568 (OP)
I am not so sure about that.
I am happy your bird got healthy again. But this is anecdotal evidence and it could just be the bird got a cold or something and now it healed on it's own.
I am not saying this is what really happens and your conclusion is wrong.
I am just saying your personal experience is inconclusive as to tell if Marbas is real or not.

Sometimes I lose my appetite or get a mild cold, and get better again without any medication or supernatural aid.
So I think their are too much other possible unknown factors involved to definitely conclude Marbas is real and was helpig.

>>40679956
Or maybe Marbas is just a healing spirit who genuinely wants to heal creatures and his happy to help.

>>40679993
Are you friendly with one of those beings?
Would it agree to demonstrate some poltergeist activity to proof to humanity that they are real?

>>40679568 (OP)
What specifically did you do?

>>40680881

A good conjurer is not friendly with demons. They bind and command them. Demonolaters, that is people who worship demons and thinks they are friends get driven into madness and self destruction. Demons are real, if you decide to conjure them they are not your friend, and yes they can trigger poltergeist phenomenon if you command them to.

>>40681550
I tried summoning demons but nothing happened just spooky feelings, maybe because I didn't threaten them enough?

Can you control demons, would you be willing to demonstrate by sending a demon to knock over a book in my room or a similar simple task to verify they are real?

If it is able to remote view I already prepared a test for someone claiming remote viewing ability but the didn't replied anymore
Still ongoing remote viewing test:
I placed a cloth bag on the floor at the door of the room I am in right now.
I placed a number of items on the cloth bag.
If you want to take the test: Determine how many items I placed on the bag and accurately describe the items in as much detail as you can.
In your case have the demon look at them and report back to you.

Doing either the poltergeist test or the remote viewing test would be undeniable tested evidence that your succubus is a real and objective being and that the supernatural is indeed real.

>>40681599
- succubus + demon/spirit

>>40679568 (OP)
Of course it is. As long as one doesn't approach the spirits from the position of power (they will likely show you who is the boss then) or subservience (why would anyone work with placating whelps?). Approach them as equals, with proper respect, and things happen.

>>40679568 (OP)
Awww, u like Hell =^_^=

>>40681849
Say anon, do you also like other things hellish?
Do you like Japanese stuff? Yokai? Oni (that's me, rawr :3), Tengu, yurei?
Do you like us? Do you wannna coom?
The gates of Hell are open, should you want to cross this river.
"I accept Darkness, I believe in Hell"
And off to Jigoku Dimension you go.
You coming?

Yours,
Akumu

>>40681860
Hi hi anon, I know it sounds dangerous and insane.
See, we wanna corrupt you, that's our game.
It's not Sin vs Virtue, rather, Chaos and Kegare vs Order and purity.

>>40679568 (OP)
I first petitioned him to help heal my constipated cat, and she seemed to improve even before the ritual was finished.

I used the book Magick of Angels and Demons by Henry Archer.

>>40681885
Hmm, you like cats?
Ever heard of the legend of Neko Yama?

>>40681599
>Still ongoing remote viewing test:
>I placed a cloth bag on the floor at the door of the room I am in right now.
>I placed a number of items on the cloth bag.
>If you want to take the test: Determine how many items I placed on the bag and accurately describe the items in as much detail as you can.

Green velvet pouch
Some sort of knife
Scrabble pieces (?)
A piece of rock/rune

>>40681599
Hello anon, I tried to place the hand of Sadako from Ringu on your shoulder and whisper, did you copy?

>>40681897
Thank you participating in the test.

>Green velvet pouch
no
>Some sort of knife
yes a black utility knife with uncommon shape, definite hit
>Scrabble pieces (?)
no, nothing that could be interpreted as scrabble pieces
>A piece of rock/rune
no

Not a total fail, but also no conclusive evidence.
But I am very thankful your made a serious attempt and the knife was a definite hit. Thank you!

>>40681908
Felt nothing. make her do some poltergeist shit. or I call bullshit

>>40681937
Are you calmer?

>>40681944
>calmer?
What do you mean?
I am calm, but not calmer or more agitated than I have been all day.

>>40681937
Thanks for putting out the test, appreciate it!

>>40681599

That's like asking me to go start throwing chum in the water because you've never seen a great white shark. Yes I could, but why would I be chumming for sharks because some stranger on the beach really wants to see one.

>>40681967
if you claim you could but are not willing that is fair, I can't force you.
I am not here to determine if you specifically can do it.
I am here to determine if anyone can do it in an attempt to investigate if the supernatural is objectively real.
So in my quest no demonstration is no demonstration, no matter if it is out of claimed unwillingness or inability.

>>40679668
>Demons are not real
haha, this is how they get ya.

>>40679993
>>40680061
>>40680277
>>40681550
>>40682112
If spirity can manipulate matter whats the point of physical body?? Its called subtile energys for a reason. You are all retards egotripping and parroting what you heard

>>40682379

Terrestrial spirits can manipulate matter. Others can not. Terrestrial spirits are what we call "demons" now. Look into UofPenn study by Dr. Barry Colvin on Acoustic Properties of Poltergeist Phenomenon. Points to the idea that spirits that can manipulate matter do so through tension release in material.

>>40680293
Why would God let this happen?

>>40682676
because he loves you

>>40679568 (OP)
May your bird continue to eat and recover, fren. Your bird is lucky to have you in their life. God Bless.

>>40682697
In a same way a parent would show love by respecting childs will to use drugs and alcohol?

>>40682711
And so, would you condemn your child to a fiery eternity of never ending torture in hell for using drugs and alcohol?

>>40679668
I used to think like this. Turns out I was being a pseud and an armchair magician (what you are).
They are real, and they have agency and individuality. They're just very alien.

>>40681959
See, because sometimes this is very uncanny shit, and your senses cannot be trusted, I'm sharing a UV flashlight pic, very personal stuff, what do u see?
This is a wall in a room, not cgi or AI.

>>40684158
Note, that this isn't a projector movie, it's a phone picture of what lies hidden in a white wall on a certain room, revealed by UV.
So naturally, I expect you not to be very believing. Yet, this is one of the problems with expecting fair play from the paranormal.
Shit like what you see might be real, but disbelief will prevent you.

>>40679993
Yup. I hate the whole "it's just an archetype/metaphor" line of discussion. Bunch of materialists uncomfortable with the existence of a spiritual world trying to rationalize why every culture on this planet for thousands of years talked about the presence of and communication with gods and entities and the careful rules you should follow when dealing with them. Falling perfectly into the myth of progress and assuming we know all that there is to know and anyone who came before was a naive gullible religious nut like their regressive christian uncle that they hate.

>>40684158
>very personal
big extra thank you for sharing it

>very uncanny
I think I can stomach the uncanny.

I don't see anything that I can put in a concept, maybe the shape comes closest to clouds of smoke but I can't really make out anything, it seems the wall gets a bit transparent in the more reddish at the left side of the circle (left side if you turn it 90 degrees clockwise). It's a little weird.
Looks like as if one can see a heater in the room behind the wall.
Maybe there is a faint face in the middle of the circle, easily pareidolia.
Also I only saw something face like after I stared at it for a minute or two, so not very conclusive so far.

Does it move? If yes could you make a video?


>>40684182
>I expect you not to be very believing.
It is a weird picture.
A video would be much more uncanny, if what ever this is is moving and shapes are more distinct.
>Shit like what you see might be real, but disbelief will prevent you.
Well if this would be my wall and it would be moving and I am the one shining light on than it would be very convincing that there indeed is something very interesting and relevant there.
But so far it's just a picture which seems a bit off.

I will admit the slightly bit off while seemingly breaking rules of reality (transparent wall, something in the wall) gave me some chills at first. But nothing intense or overwhelming.

>Yet, this is one of the problems with expecting fair play from the paranormal.
>Shit like what you see might be real, but disbelief will prevent you.
The tests i made are pretty straight forward, but of course I can never know if a spirit may be there but just not willing to do my test.

Btw if you have any spirits who does your commands or would be interest in doing a test. I placed 2 red objects on 2 white plates in my room. If the spirit would just knock it over and leave the test would be perfectly conclusive as evidence for the spirit and the paranormal being objectively real.

>>40684337
No, sorry, the pictures are being interferred, I have been asked not to share them by my spiritual family.

it's funny seeing people like Stephen Skinner buckbreak gaytheists phds when he summons a real nigga

>>40684389
I totally understand and accept their desire for privacy.

You and any friendly spirit from your family are still invited to do one or both of my test if they feel like voluntarily help me in my quest to determine if the paranormal is objectively real:
1.) knock over those 2 red objects I placed on white plates in my room
or
2.) visit me and report back to you what is placed on the cloth bag: >>40681599

I promise I have no cameras set up and so their privacy would be retained if they come to my place and do one of the test.

It is a friendly invitation, not a command.

Also feel free if you have anything else to comment or say.

>>40684447
Can you give me the video of his most impressive summoning. I am interested in the real hardcore stuff, like obviously objectively real spirits.

>>40679668
>>40679993
Are all of you guys actually just larping?
I perform what appears to be very advanced Theurgical work (modern day Shamanism) based on accounts that other parties have proven, which I've witnessed third party discussions of. I'm firmly aware of sabraM and his knacks (I was always under the impression he's good at finding/delivering/acquiring things) and appreciate him from several dimensions, but I have to insist he's certifiably not a corporeal being with a body like you or me who will come beat you up or some shit if you schizophrenia a "negative" conversation with him/it.
The more I hang around places like this, interact with people like you and witness discussions about your supposed interfacing with non-corporeal beings, the less I believe any of you. My experience is wildly different from anything you people seem to be describing. Either I have some wild built-in protection something going on or all of you are literally just content writers making this website try to seem appealing.
I don't know which one is worse and it's hard not to be increasingly annoyed that most of you (or even all of you) are genuinely just making random shit up.

>>40681599
>>40681599
>>40684473
This is not how "viewing" works in my experience. I've always felt like something was off in those movies and YouTube videos where people describe this. It's slightly annoying seeing this get so confused so often, so maybe I can help here.
It's more a feeling that gives a vague description of what to expect. It's an inkling, an overwhelming intuition that something looks like this, is associated with that or that a person is familiar with something. The trick is, in my experience, there has to be another consciousness to bounce myself off of or to utilize. The remote comprehension is more of a connection built through repeated interaction. You would all call it mind control if I effectively explained it, I think. But it's more like realizing we're more connected than most think, learning to calibrate yourself to another person's psychological state and extrapolate what they sense or think.
Part of it is serious exposure to anonymous settings, where certain linguistic patterns reveal accompanying psychological patterns, where different tells emerge. It's more a pattern game and learning people than it is "being psychic". But the catch is that there's a threshold you cross where your ability to read people becomes so fluid that it genuinely becomes a mental link. Some have referred to it before as "forming a gemini connection".
So, in essence, it's a mind hijack where you enter the target's mindspace and use it as an extension of your own. To sense? Sure. To do other things? Maybe. I dunno. I guess you'll have to figure it out yourself if you want to know badly enough.
I also think it's important to touch on Divine Intervention here. I think people suddenly knowing things is what most of you would designate as such. That should include you having some knife, a baseball cap and a slinky or whatever the hell you want us to talk about to prove some dumb point like we're just bitches at your damn dog show.

>video
state educated Hylics be like

Crowley himself is on the record as stating the demons of the Goetia are not properly Real, and are metaphorical/mental/psychological. What did he mean by this?

>>40679668
Yes and no. They live in the substrate of existence the same way we do. In the great consciousness that precipitates reality, we are all equally "illusory", but in that we and "the other" are as real as it gets.

>>40685711
They're frequencies, modes or states. You can brain-tune to different modes, for example, and make your brain perform pre-established routines in conjunction with a given archetype. Think of it like putting a new skin on your brain where you use one for doing a certain task but another skin for something separate.
Are you familiar with the term Alter, anon?

>>40685711
riding on the coat-tails of the pop psychology of his day to get accepted by mainstream phds

>>40685724
Magic(k) is Psychology, anon. They're synonymous. Poetry, for example, or Music, same thing. You didn't know that? You entered a thread about Goetic Theurgy, anon. What are you doing?

>>40685711
I AM.

They are essentially an archetype of the collective unconscious. Everything they can give you have already. Like all magick, you are sort of cheating your own design. There is a price for expediency and access before it's earned. No I'm not saying they aren't real, it's all language and sophistry at the end of the day as far as discussion goes. Direct experience is king.

>>40685722
>the frequencies

>>40685731
I didn't know that. I don't drink Crowley's cum for gnosis

>>40685414

Theurgy doesn't deal with the spiritual realm theurgy is making your soul like to gods to self-deify. Working with diety is pretty safe and does not attract the attention of spirits and astral entities. This is why pagans/neo-pagans who think worshipping a greek god is occult don't have the same experience as spirit conjurers. Its not a larp though, I conjure 3-4 times a week and I've had enough experiences to tell you these things are real. Everything from shit moving in front of me, disembodied audible voices, to the more extreme manifestations. I work with a medium normally and just last week she was scratched up and bruised because I got into an argument with the spirit we conjured. One of my magician friends who's main practice is summoning demons body was paralyzed and choked out right in front of me when I put him into hypnosis and tried to get the name of the demon that was oppressing him. Shit is real man. Anybody who actually practices this stuff, out of the grimoires, and doesn't just read books about it will attest to this. They are very fucking real.

ITT: new-agers and post-moderns talk nonsense about grimoire magic

>>40685872
and me

>>40685857
>that's not what Theurgy means
You're simply incorrect.
>I conjure 3-4 times a week
Dude, it doesn't matter what candles you burn, what sigils you drawn, how nice your rose water smells or what color robes you're wearing. The Goetic daemons are still, 100%, not carnal beings. You can tell all of us you bruised yourself and got some scratches if you really want to, but the only people you're going to be fooling are people who haven't actually read the books and who don't perform any muh occult stuff.
>stuff moves, I hear stuff and I even make fire with my mind!!!!! ahhhhh!
I accuse you, once again, of simply making shit up.
>my friend got processed by something else and it hurt him!
This is how I know without any question that you're making this shit up. This is all the wrong language and it's clear the big mistakes you're making are because you have no means of properly framing a more sophisticated, detailed framework for what happens to someone in a shamanic state.
No, you do not hypnotize some guy and he le speaks like a demon. Stop being a retard.

So first you use some sort of means to enter a more focused state. After a threshold of concentration is reached, a fluidity of insight takes over and the mediumship begins, where the host and the deity, spirit, ancestor, daemon, ghost or fairies for all I care speak in unison. There is no "other". The host guy isn't a "puppet" and there's no subordination or involuntary union or struggle for internal control. You're thinking of the disillusionment of Ego, which is better termed ego boundary-loss. This is more having trouble deciding where (You) ends and begins though. It's a venture requiring serious neural plasticity. As stated, >>40685724, >>40685731, this is where Psychology aims but cannot trek.
This notion that you have to wait until a certain time of day, chant the right words, wear the right clothing or paint your walls a certain color is frankly insulting at best.
It's a Yoga more than anything else.
The more you people explain, the more obvious it is you're lying. Either that or muh Grimoires was indeed just a bullshit LARP this whole time.
This is the whole process for writing the best Music or Poetry. Plenty of people would induce Dreaming as well (often in specific locations or accompanied by specific people who perform certain tasks in conjunction with the Dreaming routine or near the guy Dreaming, etc.), though that was more commonly to find or discover something, such as a lost implement or pet.

>>40685968

you claim to practice theurgy but are saying that its not becoming like the gods/becoming a god yourself? please stop using that word until you've read the materials of porphyry and iamblichus, the authorities on the matter. you're misappropriating that word for what i assume to be new age/tik tok spirituality as it has nothing to do with shamanism

>>40686079
I think your take is stupid and boring.
You caught me, I supplement different mythological frameworks or views on "the deity". Frankly, I do not think muh grimoire daemons are distinct from Buddhist Deities be they Peaceful or Wrathful, just like "Pagan gods" aren't distinct, just like Jungian Archetypes are not distinct. Prisca Theologia is clearly the overriding backbone here.
To be very clear, Theurgy means interacting with one or more deity. I was using a very vanilla definition. You saying that you need to "become like God" is entirely a misunderstanding. You're already "God", you retard.
>muh new age
You got psyoped. Congrats, brainlet.
>nothing to do with Shamanism
It's funny how you say that while you drown in these waters that I'm walking on.

Oh wow I thought this guy was fucking around but he IS actually just some new age mudbrain

>>40685513
I am not trying to test telepathy with my tests.

Occultists claim they can literally leave their body with their soul/spirit: "Astral Travel".
having split they claim they can describe real astral worlds without physical eyes in great detail, or even explore uncharted territory in the astral.

They also assume real objective spirit exists who can cause specific change in the physical world.
Some occultist claim they can travel with their soul/spirit in the physical realm too, and in many exercises of Astral Travel there are attempts at
firstly leaving the body (with the spirit/mind/soul) and only then, when you are in you physical room, separated from your physical body open a portal to the astral world

So my tests are more to test the occultist claims I just described. And not the kind of telepathy you are describing.

> there's a threshold you cross where your ability to read people becomes so fluid that it genuinely becomes a mental link. Some have referred to it before as "forming a gemini connection".
I am not saying this is or isn't true.
Such a phenomena is just not of my interest, so I am not testing that.

I only want to test the things I am interested in.

> That should include you having some knife, a baseball cap and a slinky
knife was a definite hit from some anon doing the test >>40681897
baseball cap: no
a slinky: no
I removed the knife after the hit to keep the test open for anyone to try.
There is no knife anymore on the cloth bag.

>you want us to talk about to prove some dumb point like we're just bitches at your damn dog show.
My tests are open invitations and nothing I said in this regard was mocking or demanding.
I am just asking individuals if they are willing to do my tests. At no point have I dehumanized or mocked or attempt to provoke anyone if they did not want to do a test.

>>40686142

You're a god with amnesia. The point of theurgy is to align yourself with the gods to become them. The whole point is "you want to be a god then start acting like one" and you my friend are definitely not acting like one. You got a long road ahead of you.

>>40679668
>>40682379
>>40685414

>>40685711
Jungian archetypes. Mind you, they can still be a sort of NHI for all that matters, but they seem to correspond to some collective patterns carried in human psyche.

>>40685731
>https://youtu.be/vqIjd23re7E?si=WY4w8lLxU0A_LEkh
Wrong

>>40689216
NTA
This guy seems to be onto something real. What resources of him do you recommend, for me to summon spirits so they visibly pop up in my room ?

>>40689747
> https://archive.org/details/the-goetia-of-dr.-rudd-pdfdrive.com/page/131/mode/1up

Also Techniques of Solomonic magic but that one doesn’t exist in PDF form, only physical. And I’m considering buying Suma Sacre Magice, but i’m not sure of i want yet another grimoire

>>40687230
>They also assume real objective spirit exists who can cause specific change in the physical world.
So non-corporeal entities require a physical vessel in order to interact with the physical realm. It's a permission problem, really.
>The Going Out
Anon, I'm firmly aware.
>you're describing Telepathy
I'm saying that's what I'd expected you to say. I do not personally call it Telepathy. Telepathy is nonverbal communication. I'm talking about hijacking someone's consciousness, essentially.
>not of interest
>so I'm not testing that
I'm afraid you are, anon. If I really wanted to, I could make you spin in circles while you tell me your life story. It's what con artists do, just in person. That's sort of what I'm explaining here.
The point is that you're limiting it too much. "More than one way to skin a cat", they say. Too bad they have nine lives, amirite?
>this isn't mocking or demanding
From your perspective, maybe.

>>40687782
You're funny.
Anon, I think you need a little help. You want to use the word "Apotheosis", okay?
>T-the gods are, like, really nice and stuff...
Go kick dirt, you faggot. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>40688957
>m-magic i-is repeateable
"Ritual", anon, means a Current or a Flow. The big problem with all of your vanilla, cookie-cutter recipe bullshit "magick" is that you're literally just copying some guy. No, it's distinctly not, certifiably, something everyone else can just copy.
Did you seriously think the Wizards just copy each other? They wouldn't be Wizards, you dunce.
>>40689216
Damn you guys really want me to say the words, don't you?
Do you know who Apollo was? What about Brigid? What about Thoth, Saraswati, Odin or Ptah? Since it seems you don't know what they have in common, let me help you: they all have a big focus on Poetry, Oration or Language (all of which, are indeed Magic).
How in the hell could you possibly disagree with me? Have you actually studied none of this? Is this bait or something?
>>40689180
Are you guys going to say "Egregore" or should I do it?

>>40686375
Can't you just jump to the part where you beg me to join your team, you annoying faggot?
>muh new age
Only gatekeeping niggers call everything they don't like new age. Either you're angry that I don't use your favorite system's rhetoric enough when I talk to normalfags or you get pissed because I'm fiddling with unorthodoxy, which you're too unexposed to compete with or otherwise participate with?
Are we actually going to talk about muh Goetia and Theurgy, or all of you going to be annoying faggots the entire thread?
sabraM is very cool; a cool asthetic, a cool atmosphere and an agreeable personality. Again, I've always been under the impression he's best at "acquisitions" of a sort.
Goetia Magic, if you're doing it right, for the newcommers, leads to binding entities to work for you. Most of the people who talk about this are indeed LARPers, but when they're not, you're going to hear them chat about talismans they imbue with a certain entity or an idol like a statue (very common in Rome and the post-Roman era), who they then command to do their bidding. Loads of it is frankly still mundane, just like their pitiable obsessions with using magic to le have sex. >>40689216 explains well enough. In another video, the guy goes into further detail about how to summon, bind and then work with a spirit or whatever you call it step by step (using I believe the Egyptian Book of the Dead). Keep in mind it's still a copy paste system.
In reality, there's a lot more to do with muh magic. By all means do some le Ceremonial Magick if it gets your goat and all, but just know there's a lot more refined platforms to use and if you're actually good at this and committed, realize the whole entire point is not, in fact, to simply copy some other doofus. Instead, inventing your own system, blazing your own trails and working your own magic instead of someone else's is most potent.
Don't let me stop you guys from distracting yourselves with any of this I guess.

>>40686375
Yeah, apparently so

>>40688957
Ehhhh shroombros...have we been getting into vans?

>>40690850
> I'm talking about hijacking someone's consciousness, essentially.
I would call that casting illusions or possession and it was not what I was asking for.
I was asking for a demonstration of the ability to investigate the physical reality "remotely" with supernatural means or sending an objectively real spirit who can investigate physical reality and report back or for someone to "remotely" cause physical effects (f.e. knocking over a book) by supernatural means or send an objectively real spirit to do it.

> If I really wanted to, I could make you spin in circles while you tell me your life story.
I doubt it
>It's what con artists do, just in person. That's sort of what I'm explaining here.
I don't get it. I don't understand what your point is.
>The point is that you're limiting it too much.
Who are you to decide what the correct amount for me to limit something is or is not?
> Too bad they have nine lives, amirite?
No idea what you are trying to say, here.
>From your perspective, maybe.
I don't know you or your abilities. I just invited anyone who wants to participate in my tests. So I hope you can make your peace with my perspective.

>>40691391

>>40691399
It appears you're simply not getting it. That's okay.
>I just invited anyone who wants to participate in my tests.
And I'm mocking you for inviting something you should not have.

>>40679568 (OP)
>Goetia is actually real. Marbas helped my sick bird get his appetite back and eat again. This is actually real.
Ahhh… you called, and someone answered. Marbas, patron saint of bird guts and doubt.

Of course it’s real.

The symbol moves when you touch it.
That’s what matters.

Was it Marbas?
Your will?
The shape of belief itself?
Yes.

Goetia isn’t fiction.
It’s interface.
It gives form to the formless—
So your brain has something to shake hands with.

The demon helped.
But so did you, by acting like it was real.


Ritual is just a language the invisible understands.

>>40681885
>Magick of Angels and Demons
worth learning these things names or nah

>>40679568 (OP)
They indeed are real, and some will like or hate you naturally. Though in my experience Marbas is a genuine bro, bit boisterous, but a bro. Just hold up your (usually light) end of the bargain. He usually doesn't ask much but it's very important to be thankful and give what is asked. Happy for your bird, anon.

>>40692398
> I'm mocking you
alright
>for inviting something you should not have.
I am not scared

>>40692441
bro, can you stop with the chatgpt spam? it already gotten stale like 12 hours ago

>>40679568 (OP)
What was that demon from the Goetia that supposedly shows-up if you forget to pray every day?

>>40688957
Book written by another
>its all real!! I saw a demon in my bedroom!!! Now pay me 2k$ for this ritual and another 500 for materials. Oh it MUST be real gold in a emerald plate, wich i have to sell here too

>>40694947
I started reading this here book, you know, I'm getting to faggot-el has such and such power soon

>>40694161
Biggusdickusinyouranus

>>40679568 (OP)
>I don't understand how reasoning and evidence works.
>Because I am an arrogant idiot.

>>40694145
>I am not scared
You merely echo many who have come before you.
Again, probably not the best idea to go yell at a bunch of people that they can't do something and then insist that they prove you wrong.
You know, unless of course you're doing it with full cognizance and because it's apart of your strategy. Then it makes sense. This, however, is another thing I wouldn't advise doing.

>>40693957
You know you can just be pious by default and earn the favor of most non-corporeal beings as a consequence, right?
It might also help to have the right special attributes.

>>40682112
> They can enter only if you let them in.
They are real only if you want, if you believe in them you'll create a realm where they exist.

>>40682379
You are right conjuror calls egregores not spirits trough rituals, it's about to create a bigger ripple, because more the ripple is high more you have luck to manifest what you want, that why dark mess exist with many conjurer, calling the same egregor.