I have a question, if the Fall of Adam and Eve brought death to the world why do we have evidence of animals dying in brutal ways before man was created? This is shaking my faith and I don't know what to make of it

There was death, decay and disease before the Fall but why?

Don’t think about time as a series of events prior to the fall. Birth and death must be seen as asymptotic sides of an atemporal experience, not good and evil, respectively.

>>40680926 (OP)
Adam and Eve aren't real. Stop believing in fairy tales.

>>40681202
what's your story bro?

>>40681208
Why would I need a story?

>>40680926 (OP)
Because:

All gods are mythologies
All holy books are fictional

>>40680926 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-historical_fall

>>40681202
they were a metaphor and supposed to symbolize the first man and woman genealogically, their descendents even went on in different directions to become the different races

>>40680926 (OP)
The bible is metaphors within metaphors, what, you think priests spend years training and educating themselves just to read a normal written book?

>>40680926 (OP)
Like cancer in them bones

>>40681926
They spend years molesting children.

>>40680926 (OP)
It could be assumed everything outside of amos to acts is just jews arguing among themselves. The KJV is still among the best cornerstones for life in the universe even if youre a goy. I like to consider mark Twain quote about faith "its believing in something we know just aint so."

>>40681926
>>40681914
>muh metaphor

no it isn't. it literally gives a bloodline of Adam. it literally says heaven is some sky palace. Among other retarded bullshit

>>40681914
No it wasn't, it was supposed to be taken literally. And no it doesn't work like that. You need a minimum of 50 people to prevent the human race from dying out due to inbreeding and lack of genetic diversity. This is not possible spawning from 2 individuals.

Bump

>>40681952
Is there any proof?

>>40680926 (OP)
Read the Sumerian myths. People were not even planned to be created, they are a by-product. Perhaps Enlil also did not want to give knowledge and Enki gave it. After the flood, when Enlil sees the surviving people, he is angry, but his son Ninurta (similar to Hercules) says that life expectancy should simply be reduced and controlled by diseases and they do it. That's all. People are slaves and received the gift of knowing good and evil by accident.

>>40683262
99.9% ignore that God creates people twice in existence and that Cain finds other people somewhere after the expulsion

btw Tubal Cain is associated with a volcano (god) and this is not schizophrenia, these assumptions have been put forward for a long time and there are serious analyses on this topic. In Tubal you also see Bal (that is, Bel)

The Jews most likely made their genesis based on ... I don't know ... but you shouldn't take the genealogy seriously. They could have remade the Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek and of course the Phoenician, Ugaritic myths (praises to God in the Bible sometimes 1 to 1 coincide with the Ugaritic texts). The myth of Cain and Abel is associated with Osiris and Seth.

>>40680926 (OP)
History is a spoke. Time does not exist. Only the eternal Now exists.

>>40680926 (OP)
Because the world's problems actually aren't all caused by a talking snake and magic fruit.

>>40685817
Is there any reason you consider the sumerian myths to be credible historical events in particular

I think it's important to understand what the point of the text is. I think the points of Adam and Eve probably have more to do with taking personal responsibility and indicating our authority over the animals rather than providing a literal chronological order to creation.
and then here
>>40683256
The heaven part is just obtuse. But as for the genealogies, one is meant to highlight Jesus authority on heaven and the other his authority on earth.
In case it seems like performing mental gymnastics here, I just want to make clear that the case made for Christianity has nothing to do with any particular interpretation for Adam and Eve. It has all to do with the historical Jesus, if which the evidence is more clear that it *seems* like he performed miracles and rose from the dead. And the conflicting reports only help this case, as it indicates they were written independently, hence the need for secular scholars to invent Q gospel.