Most people are normies, they can get friends and relationships easily, their lives are also extremely generic, they perfectly fit the system, they grow up normally, they have social experiences, they go through every milestone that there is socially. when they become adults they either study for higher degrees and/or become workers, then they have children and form a family. Incels however are the exact opposite of this, and they are a small part of the population. You can see by the experiences and their stories, that their lives are just different, it's like they're stuck at level one, while everyone else is going forward easily? to reduce inceldom to the difficult of getting a relationship is to overlook the problem, it seems like an entire different existence at every level, they are just stuck in life.

>>40681172 (OP)
Don't call every lonely person incel. Incel is a specific term for obnoxious internet person. Not everyone who wants a partner but can't find one is an incel. Only crazy creeps are incels and they don't deserve sympathy either, fuck them. Entitled, ugly and the worst personality on the planet, and then they wonder why they don't find a girlfriend lol

>>40681172 (OP)
God nerfed you because he foresaw you achieving milestones average people do at the rate they do as problematic for some reason, usually to do with your personality. Incels and the like are autistic verging on sociopathy and if they weren't ugly socially inept freaks they would be little Satans running around terrorizing people in a uniquely horrible way. I don't know if you've ever met someone who's physically attractive, socially adept, and intelligent, but they're also usually pretty personable and morally upright to boot. Something within them can handle what they are. Incels are very clever and have a chip on their shoulders, so otherwise could be doing things like engineering bioweapons to release in major metropolitan areas or manipulating "normies" into doing their bidding, which is the fulfillment of some base and venial desire. God thinks it's safer for you to work at McDonald's if you ever are employed and collect anime figurines. People underestimate just how evil the world has become, how many people now are born practically puppeteered by Satan.

>>40681189
loneliness is circumstantial, it's something that you ask if someone is or if they describe themselves as such, it's a subjective state and not a standalone description that we can do of others. if i've been looking for a partner my whole life but never got anyone then i am incel, thats what being involuntary celibate means.

>>40681262
Nope, that's what being lonely means. Always has been. Incel means whiny entitled person on the Internet. Like you right now. Involuntary celibate means nothing. It's a recently made up term

>>40681274
so you are saying involuntary celibate is a buzzword?

>>40681284
Of course it is. A dangerous one too because it's a self-defeating ideology. Nothing good can come from it, ever

>>40681293
how's inceldom an ideology?

>>40681304
How is it not lol do you know what an ideology is? The ideology of inceldom is something like
>the world owes me love and affection even though i act like a spoiled entitled toddler and if I don't get this love and affection I will make it everybodies problem and become a threat to my environment

>>40681231
i find this theory weird because many extremely socially adjusted people are also the most devilish. hasn't every genocidal dictator or leader looked upon as deities by the masses of normies? for someone to be a leader or dictator they have to have impeccable social dominance. they are what the flute is to the snake, normies are the snakes.

>>40681316
see, i think you didnt understand the question at hand. there's something about inceldom that goes beyond the difficulties in getting ''love and affection.'' for sure there is a lot of ''woe is me'' in some communities, but those are a minority within the very minority and a lot are not true incels. ever stopped to think that a lot of incels dont speak english? you know, some issues that your news hand to you about the so called ''incels'' are maybe a minor reflective issue of your politics. so to make it easier for you to understand, one of the concurrent issues of inceldom is also neetdom. but why does that happen? it is like life being stuck at level one, as i wrote in my OP. so far neither you or the other anon that replied above are close to an answer.

>>40681172 (OP)
Incels, as in the idea that they want to be a normal person but are failing to do so in a way that is said to be involuntary, are simply just losers.
They want to be normies, or at least get the rewards of being a normie, without actually being one. They cope hard by saying its societies fault or foids or whatever. Go browse /r9k/ and its filled with these people that are just trash and blame everyone else. Probably because society nowdays is more forgiving for people to be their own individuals, they've allowed these people to become so mentally toxic with no one around to set them straight. Years ago if you wanted to talk to girls but fumbled your words you'd just be called a loser and get bullied into you got it right. Now they let these people wallow in their failures and turn into bitter people that hate everything and everyone. It doesn't help that woman in this day and age are given far more individual freedoms then years ago, so not every girl is raised to be a boring homemaker to the point you could ask out any girl on the street. This difficulty in finding people that you can get along with makes things harder and incels angrier.

Now true volcels are somewhat paranormal. As in someone that's voluntary celibate that doesn't seek others, and not just as some pathetic I give up, but an inherent desire to not have others. Someone that doesn't need validation from society. That realizes that they as an individual might not be considered normal but they don't care. They've mastered or are trying to master self validation, reward and happiness from their own goals and learnings. No need for praise from others or need to 'give back to society'. I think these people are more introspective and have a better chance at leaning into more spiritual self actualization when they aren't bogged down by society. You don't NEED to be celibate to be like this, its just people that aren't celibate aren't seen as weird as volcels and are usually just ignore.

>>40681373
i agree with your conclusion about volcels. i think some people have a life path set for them to be monks, but there isnt strong push for religious vocation in this day and age, so they just seem weird and lost to others instead of being something else?

>>40681262
Lonely and isolated are different.
Someone can be in a crowded room yet feel lonely within their journey of life , yet someone isolated isn’t surrounded by people or is situated remotely from society

>>40681373
Based

I tried going to an incel community, but they are a bit assholish. They don't allow any kind of homosexuality or any kind of romantic success. If you say for example that you got a match on any dating app they will instantly ban you. If you say you Jack off to traps? BANNED

I bet if they weren't so close minded they would find someone.

>>40681392
yes, thats what i meant by a subjective state. i've felt the most lonely and empty while surrounded by acquaintances in social places such as bars.

>>40681322
Not all dictators are bad, and the bad ones are usually sick and ugly. Like Mao Zedong. God is not political, he's pragmatic. You are technically free to do whatever you want. The ease at which you do what you want varies greatly.

>>40681409
They struggle to have any true intellectual discussion or conversation with anything that is different or altered from their own beliefs, they cannot be helped. Conversation of those different than you can expand your knowledge or ground you in what you already believe

>>40681365
It's an ideology, same as the current societal standards of what you're supposed to achieve. Who cares? Do what you want. Relationships with other humans are overrated and not for everybody but society pretends its the end-all-be-all and you're not a complete human being without it. Same with having a job. It doesn't matter. Live your life. Incels are normies too because they strive for normie things and despair when they don't get them even though the whole thing might not even be for them, they might not even enjoy it. How many boomers complain about their wives? All of them. Maybe being without one would have made their lives more fulfilling. Be a NEET, man. It's the best

>>40681391
I think the idea of life paths does have a play in it. If I'm here to learn something, not from myself but a kind of external world, then there needs to be a world for me to learn the thing. And as such then someone's got to build it so it makes sense in your human brain. Normies and some incels likely are the building blocks of life. There to simply ensure that as a whole there is a medium that keeps going on to allow points of history and technologies. Its why I think so many normies seem so upset with normality but still do it. Jokes about hating the wife, comments on how hard it is having kids. Its like everyone in my life all make these on the nose statements about how lame their lives are, yet for some reason have this unbreakable urge to continue doing it.

A volcel in this world just simply isn't going down that path and has some other meaning to their own existence, it could be hard to argue if this meaning was better or worse then what some normie could live, so I think the term more specific path of life is applicable. I really believe in the idea that reality in a way is a play, and a greater you constructed it for a purpose and as of right now you are focusing so super hard the fact you're so much more then just some anon is temporarily pushed away. But your likeness can be used as almost a background character to someone else's play without much thought either, perhaps in another reality you're the normie with a regular life and kid and its someone else that's the volcel. Again though its not about being a volcel specifically, its just they want something so foreign to the rest they look strange. I wish we lived in a day an age were this kind of self religious experience was more comment. To disappear and say I'm on a spiritual quest and not be laughed at would be nice.