Bro I became less and less convinced not just because the Bob Lazar interviews with Rogan were completely weak and unconvincing but...

Lets say that Alhpa Centairi (closest star to Earth) is 3.267 lightyears, almost 4, from earth and the speed of an UFO was a single time that of light than that tiny amount took almost half a decade for those extraterrestrials...

Alsmost half a decade of non stop traveling at the speed of light is also for aliens the biggest effort they would invest trillions of Alien money into the project...

Now the amounts of lightyears and distances are thousands upon millions just for the Milkyway region where they havent spotted any neighbouring earthlike planets but there are so much more grains of sand to discover, agreed.

Now the UFO concept either Bob, the media, Area 51 enthousiasts, and (forgot his name) concepted did not look like crafts what traveled fast enough to even reach a fraction of the lightspeed..

It looked rather made out of materials they would created other vehicles out off in those times (with typical 50's rounded windows) but not at something what even reached close to the speed of sound let go the speed of light. No, fucking, way..

I dont know man, it seems very retarded now I look at it at another age..

I dont think a single craft from other civilizations ever visited earth yet. Forget it...

Travel faster than several lightyears in a fucking can out of a few layers of steel at it best? Forget it.. No, way..

>>40683275 (OP)
Lol, throw conventional science and physics out the window if you want to understand the UFO phenomena.

>>40683275 (OP)
Youre looking at it wrong lol

>ayyliens never got past string theory
sure, bud

Bob Lazar is a fucking fraud, faggot, you're looking at the wrong stuff.

>>40683275 (OP)
they come from within our oceans, they even declassified videos of UAPs going underwater.

bro what makes you think aliens are capitalist too?

that's definitely a retarded thing only humans do
how can we be so sure the UFO's made out of steel? it could be made out of some wacky space metal with wacky ass properties dude we dont know shit about it, those fuckass UFOs could probably make shit like gravity bubbles to travel at insane speeds and such.

>>40683275 (OP)
>Alien money
I stopped reading here

>>40683275 (OP)
is this shitpost meant to enrage both sides of the spectrum?

>>40683329

indeed, newtonian-einsteinian physics is a systematic little-kids-play-pen of 'The Psy-ence' that is intended to limit and effectively end natural technological progress (for the public majority of human societies), and allow then for the controlled progress (or lack thereof) by either seeding or prohibiting specific ideas, modes and lines of thought (and therefore technologies and methodologies), to be inserted and allowed into / removed and erased from, the public sphere of access and understanding.

pic-rel - the common 'Haunebu-2 / adamski style UFO .... is essentially a variation of a tesla coil, generally designed around a water-tower container-tank, as a vehicle or vessel.

so if ww2 germany is any indicator, it is the case that we already have the core elements of the knowledge and technology all around us - its just kept forcibly separated into harmless little gadgets and/or infrastructure, and the ideas which lead to re-shaping it into 'magickal sci-fi things', is (as per einsteinian 'Psy-ence') is socially manipulated as to be either conventionally impossible, practically untenable, or declared as some form of thought-crime or tech-heresy that is always MIB'ed under the excuse of [Matters of National Security].

like the coming (and in some ways, already here) techno-feudalism, for example. If you really think about it, people are already living a (mostly-) without-technology life already. The vast majority of people have 1 smartphone, 1 car (or maybe just a transit bus pass-app of some sort ?), and a TV of some sort, correct ? That's a total of 3 technology items that they themselves own (maybe, regarding mega-corp legalities of owning-nothing) and can readily have at-hand.

the rest of it, is public / governmental infrastructure that enables and supports those 3 end-user items (which are very much used to wag the dog), and is very much commanded to be hands-off, unless they are authority-approved tech-workers.

W4NTD

>>40683275 (OP)
>subluminal travel
As long as you can mitigate the hawking radiation and maintain the bubble, gravitic warp drives can operate at FTL speeds because inertially you aren't moving at all.

https://www.uaptheory.com/

Mainstream science more or less knows the principles by which these things operate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

The question is how they're doing it without needing a jupiter sized-wad of negative mass exotic matter.

>>40689442
So, technically they aren't even moving FTL. FTL is functionally impossible. However, what is possible is altering the relative permeability and permittivity to artificially raise or lower the maximum propagation rate of c. I don't think you need as much negative energy as what they are letting on. The craft aren't anti-gravity, they operate on inertial dampening. If you essentially have little to no inertia, you therefore have very little effective mass. Unironically, the Office of Naval Research has spent literal billions of dollars since the mid 80's in cold atom research where these sorts of phenomena are found experimentally. You get close enough to absolute zero, all kinds of weird negative mass and negative Kelvin temperatures present themselves. For perspective, the average vacuum temperature is 2.7K, while we can laser and Doppler cool things down to nanokelvin temperatures. The question is, are these real effects or just handwavey "quantum artifacts". I think it's the former, or else they wouldn't be spending shitloads of money chasing the effects at universities that just so happen to be directly affiliated with DoD/DoE glownigger research with the experiments being directly funded by the ONR/NRL or National Science Foundation as a front.

>>40689442
>>40689523
For perspective, this is one of the guys doing real, serious research into these effects. There are a shitload of others as well. Incidentally, the Chinese attempted to recruit him on 2011.
https://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0607418

>>40689545
It's a Kerr Singularity analogue, aka toroidal blackhole.