>Library
https://controlc.com/f90157e6

>Mysticism
Hindu — Raja Yoga, Hathayoga, Shiva Samhita
Taoist — Foundations of Internal Alchemy
Theravada — Knowing and Seeing
Sufi — Sufism for Non-Sufis
Jewish — Jewish Meditation
General/Thelema — sacred-texts.com & hermetic.com/figures/index

>Grimoires
Agrippa's Three Books are core
Arbatel should be the first; afterward Heptameron, or Goetia, or Abramelin, Picatrix, etc
The PGM tend to be modular
esotericarchives.com/

>Buddhism & Vajrayana
Intro to Tantra, Refining Gold. Look to centers in your area & others that offer empowerment online. Avoid NKT, Rigpa, and Shambhala. Garchen Rinpoche and HHDL's whole YouTube catalogs; you can take empowerment and transmission from their recordings if vows are understood, but really you should have a teacher.
The Facebook group Vajrayana Events regularly posts online empowerments, lungs, and teachings.
accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/
studybuddhism.com

>Golden Dawn
Cicero's Self Initiation into the Golden Dawn, Lyam Thomas Christopher - Kabalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation
Find a Temple: pansophers.com/golden-dawn-locations/

>Aurum Solis
Magical Philosophy (70s editions go from I-V, modern from I-III), then Planetary Magick
The Practical Guide series

>Aspire to A∴A∴
Have a basic understanding of the Golden Dawn system. Read Liber ABA, then go through this reading list:
ordoaa.org/studlist.htm
Focus on Liber Resh, E , RV, O, Astarte, and HHH
For a full curriculum, Mystical and Magical System of the A∴A∴

>Chaos Magic
Liber Null & Psychonaut, Condensed Chaos, Liber Kaos, Hands-On Chaos Magic

>Tradcraft
https://pastebin.com/KB7QhL7u

>Astrology
https://pastebin.com/euWACNrK

So yeah, someone was discussing taking "what works" from Vajrayana/Tibetan Buddhism in the last thread, and I'd like to discuss it more here. I've always been entranced by the wrathful yidams, but didn't want to dedicate myself to the Buddhist path per se, as I'm not the most magnanimous guy on the planet.

However, it's obvious that Tibetan Buddhism/Vajrayana is a solid sorcerous path and it seems like there's a lot one can really sink their teeth into as far as arcanas go. It's a fascination of mine that I can't seem to budge. Anyone else feel this way?

Previous thread: >>40598752

>>40683897
I don't know what the other practices in Vajrayana are like, but their energy work fundamentals are kind of weirdly complicated so I have been avoiding them because of that.

>>40683924
Thanks for adding that.
>>40683934
Do you mean the Six Yogas of Naropa, or something else? Yeah, I'm not sure I'd touch that either.

>>40683991
Thinking of this one. Basically just a set of exercises to awaken and purify some major organs of the subtle body (the 3 nadis and the chakras).

>>40683897
I'm not really sure what you're asking. The entire system is built on top of bodhicitta and its practice is to transform yourself into an enlightened being as understood from a Buddhist perspective. That other anon was talking about taking practices that work towards that goal without necessarily partaking in a Sangha or a guru relationship. There are practices that have worldly benefits such as removal of obstacles or acquisition of wealth, but these are mediated through enlightened deities with the assumption that the goal is Liberation for the sake of all sentient beings. Even esoteric practices like Chöd have this as a basis.

If you just want to do worldy tantric magic then perhaps hindu tantra would be more conducive to that.

What kind of magic would work best for getting your foreskin back?

>>40688456
wealth magic to afford foreskin restoration treatment

Finished this today. Pretty interesting stuff, included a number of sections on sex magic.
Seems like there are mainly two types of sexual magic - I would describe them as psychic and ontological.
The psychic form is more orgiastic and prone to excess. Wild group sex rituals belong here, and these are very powerful to a large extent because they generate tons of psychic energy that can summon entities and draw them into participating in the magical work undertaken by the magicians.
The second works more on the basis of invoking a spiritual principle within oneself during intercourse with a single partner; this also has its own energetic phenomenology on the level of the subtle body.
I don't have a practical application for any of this stuff, but at least I think it helped me clarify my grasp of some magical principles (like magical chains).

>>40683897
Former Vajrayana anon here, about 8 years of experience, completed ngondro, have empowerments for multiple wrathful practices, including a Yidam that was chosen for me, etc.
>I'm not the most magnanimous guy on the planet.
This will be a genuine issue when it comes to Vajrayana. You can't perform any Buddhist tantra correctly without genuine Bodhicitta, so you're kind of cooked unless you're willing to actually develop and maintain said Bodhicitta.
Some form of Hinduism is definitely where you'll want to be if you're still interested in tantric shenanigans.

Also its funny the amount of people who want to get into Tibetan Buddhism's version of Vajrayana, but are unwilling to adopt Bodhicitta, and are, at the same time, attracted to wrathful practices, its kind of contradictory in multiple ways. Wrathful incarnations of the various Buddhas/Bodhisattvas are representative of extreme, fierce acts of compassion and ultimate altruism.

Still, everyone has the capacity. If you put forth sincere effort, you'll get there with Bodhicitta eventually. I will warn you though, Vajrayana is a very bumpy path. Depending on your karma, it may for a time, actually make your life worse.

>>40689413
Are you tummomaxing yet bro?
>Wrathful incarnations of the various Buddhas/Bodhisattvas are representative of extreme, fierce acts of compassion and ultimate altruism.
I thought it was supposed to be an alchemical metaphor of sorts - transmuting rage, hate, lust etc into bodhi.

>>40689623
Is both, but you can't start without Bodhicitta in the first place, no teacher is going to give you a wrathful Yidam without a serious aspiration to liberate all sentient beings.

>tummomaxing
Yeah, I started about 6 years ago, I was taught it at the same time I received pointing out instructions for Dzogchen. When I would practice Trekcho, I would sometimes accidentally end up doing Tummo unintentionally because the posture used is my usual posture for general meditation. A sort of crossing wires occurred a little bit, which I was informed wasn't particularly unusual by my teacher.

>>40689853
>Yeah, I started about 6 years ago
Nice, wishing you good progress.
>Is both, but you can't start without Bodhicitta in the first place, no teacher is going to give you a wrathful Yidam without a serious aspiration to liberate all sentient beings.
No hate for Vajrayana, but that sounds kind of strange to me. I haven't been able to liberate my own dumb ass, much less anyone else's, much less EVERYONE else's. An oath to free every being (including even non-human beings) strikes me as something that is either insincere or a lunacy.

>>40689413
Yeah, I have a Garchen Rinpoche Kurukulla empowerment, and I definitely think that doing just that (and barely practicing it even) started my life on a shitty path (health got worse, all sorts of other odd things). I'm still trying to figure out how to "reverse" this, if possible (if it's even the issue in the first place, sometimes life is just shit).

That said, I can get behind the idea of Bodhicitta. After all, things can be better for the Self if others around you are happy/healthy/free from whatever weighs them down. I mean, it makes some sense on just a practical level. And perhaps that's how I should approach such things. You tell me.

>>40689928
>No hate for Vajrayana, but that sounds kind of strange to me. I haven't been able to liberate my own dumb ass, much less anyone else's, much less EVERYONE else's. An oath to free every being (including even non-human beings) strikes me as something that is either insincere or a lunacy.

This has been sort of my perspective as well, but yeah see my previous post. It makes sense that one's own life/existence can get better if everyone else's is going swimmingly. Maybe?

>>40690152
>better for the Self if others around you are happy/healthy/free from whatever weighs them down
>It makes sense that one's own life/existence can get better if everyone else's is going swimmingly. Maybe?
NTA but I think you need to go back to Buddhism 101 before trying to wrap your head around this type of stuff, because it seems like you're reifying the aggregates with the type of language and reasoning you're using. Infinite, spontaneous, boundless compassion is already the nature of Rigpa. The motivation to help Liberate all sentient beings is absolutely not about "making your own life better". Hearing and recognizing what Dukkha truly is within yourself and then others should be enough for unconditioned compassion and loving-kindness to arise.

>>40690209
NTA here as well, but I guess I can see this from the perspective of "no self" - if it's just about holding the correct mental state/direction, I can see how infinite compassion and always placing objective truth at the centre of the consciousness makes sense. But it's hard for me to reconcile that with empirical reality as an embodied being. The boddhisattva vow seems to me like a personal obligation, and a very challenging one, since you are deferring enlightenment indefinitely until an innumerable amount of beings are saved. I feel like "I", as an individual, even an enlightened one, could never accomplish such a task, and so I would hesitate to give the vow.

>>40690209
Yeah, this is ultimately why I don't want much to do with it anymore (not that I've done much) as it seems antithetical to sorcery as a whole.

I mean, you can't tell me there haven't been some lamas in the past that did self-serving things, especially if they had the magical "tech" to do so. Sure, they might be in "vajra hell" now, but who knows?

At some point, this just seems to be no different than religious morality, just with extra sorcerous steps.

>>40690404
I'm the 8 year anon here >>40689413

There are tantric sorcerers in Tibet/Nepal, mostly that practiced Hindu forms of Tantra or varieties of Bon, but they apparently go on to live the most extremely pained existences you can possibly imagine in their next lives if they use it for self serving purposes.
Vajrayana absolutely does not relate, in any way, whatsoever, to western conceptions of sorcery, and Vajrayana Buddhism (Buddhism in general) is 100% a religion, despite what Western sources might try to lead you to believe.

>>40690318
The Bodhisattva vow does not delay your enlightenment, this is a huge misconception in the West, thanks to Western scholars misunderstanding Mahayana in general.

We're trying to becomes Buddhas, ASAP, so that we can inevitably rescue all beings. We don't willingly delay anything, its just that becoming a full fledged Buddha typically takes eons, and can't be done without immense amounts of Bodhicitta.

>>40689089
Nah, there is no treatment for it; not yet at least. I was considering looking into Qi cultivation but the time cost might be too high

>>40690450
>its just that becoming a full fledged Buddha typically takes eons
Does that mean developing other salvific qualities in addition to enlightenment? Or is enlightenment itself something that takes eons?
Sometimes I see contradictory evidence on how long enlightenment is supposed to take as well. I once saw a quote from some lama from the past couple of centuries stating that "enlightenment in this lifetime" has become a basic availability in the current age.

>>40690493
>Does that mean developing other salvific qualities in addition to enlightenment? Or is enlightenment itself something that takes eons?
Not sure if this answers your questions, but there are a set of Bhumis, or graded stages on the path to Buddhahood, typically 10 of them, with the 10th being actual full-fledged Buddha.

Regarding your quote, sometimes teachers are pretty loose-goosey with what they call enlightenment, what it sounds like that Lama is describing is the realization of emptiness on an ultimate level and being able to distinguish in any moment the difference between conventional and ultimate reality. Which would technically be the first bhumi, which is definitely possible for a serious practitioner in a single lifetime.

I will say though as a disclaimer, Vajrayana may be the quickest path, but it is also the most dangerous. If you fuck it up, or take vows that you don't fulfill, or fail to repair after having broken said tantric vows, you'll retrogress significantly in your next lives.

There is a reason that even in Tibet, most Tibetans practice a more general form of Mahayana and pray for rebirth in Dewachen (Sukhavati) to go learn under Amitabha. In fact, most Buddhists in Asia are banking on this, since achieving birth there isn't particularly difficult, and you'll be on a guaranteed, non-retrogressing rapid development path to Buddhahood being able to learn directly from a Buddha 1:1.

>>40690533
May I ask why you left the path? And what is it that you practice now? If you already answered this in the last thread you can just link that.

>>40690571
Yeah, of course.

Its a really hard question to answer because I believe there actually is something to it, and I typically speak very positively about it because I know on some level Tantric Buddhism is "real" or as real as anything can be, but simultaneously it felt like something was always missing. I could never fully pin-point what that missing thing is, but it was always at the back of my mind.
I actually come from a family with a long line of Freemason blood as recently as my grandfathers on both sides of my family, as well as people before them getting caught up in Western magic / occult stuff, so it may be that. Could just be my karma, not entirely sure. Typically Gurus will tell you practicing Occult stuff is pretty horribly negative karma in the extreme, so maybe I'm just karmically fucked beyond repair in this lifetime, even having done 100k Vajrasattva recitations for my first Ngondro go-around. I had a lot of stuff go wrong in my life, like an abnormal amount of shit, it was laughable, when I was doing Ngondro. I was told this was normal initially, but when I kept coming back with extreme hardship after hardship out of the blue, even my teacher was surprised and theorized I must have been a pretty significantly fucked up person in a prior life. Who knows, really.

If I went back to formal Buddhist practice, I'd just practice Pure Land Buddhism, and try to attain Buddha recitation samadhi and go meet Amitabha myself when I die. Its a profoundly simple practice, yet reportedly very effective, even in this life. Most Zen masters usually turn to practicing Pure Land exclusively, theres some jokes about that in Chinese / Japanese, and one of the Yogas of Naropa is a practice that helps with this specifically.

>>40690611
>Typically Gurus will tell you practicing Occult stuff is pretty horribly negative karma in the extreme
Wait occultism in general? Why? What are you talking about?

>>40690640
>occultism in general?
Pretty much, a lot of it is incredibly selfish and other parts of it are observably harmful either to yourself, or others if you go that route. We know there are legit practices and practitioners that dedicate their lives to helping others, but the other side of it alone is enough for them to be incredibly skeptical about anyone that dabbles.

Also most don't know a whole lot about Western occultism, just the negative shit they've heard from their own students, and they've heard a lot. Its a pretty common pipeline with Western students giving up on Western magic, and ending up in Buddhism.

>>40690659
Dunno what you are doing, but abramelin, GD, arbatel, picatrix and these kinds of things in general are not that bad, of course if by western stuff they mean goetia summoning then yes...

>>40690702
>but abramelin, GD, arbatel, picatrix and these kinds of things in general are not that bad
Of course, but those are just one of many practices. Like I said, there is legit altruistic stuff, but theres a lot of bad shit too. We know that having traveled around this world of practice.

Thelemites for example used to torture animals for certain rituals in the early days, some still do and they're pretty tame all things considered when it comes to western occult stuff. Even -intentionally- harming bugs like with certain rituals is very, very negative Karma from a Buddhist lens.

>>40690725
NTA, I'm just getting my feet wet with the Tibetan stuff, but is there anything I can do about killing pests like roaches and bed bugs? I have an infestation currently and I have killed a lot of them personally and call a pest exterminator a few times a year. While I do kill them out of convenience since they're not lethal, I don't do it with malice or enjoyment (maybe a couple of times if being woken up with a bed-bug on my face at 3AM after having little sleep). I've heard that Vajrasattva purification practices can purify this kind of negative karma.

>>40690779
Its not really ideal, but having an exterminator come frequently is really your best bet. Samsara isn't perfect and sometimes we've got to do shit like this.

Do the Vajrasattva recitations. You can do the basic recitation without empowerment, however I would seek out a teacher to give you the visualization practice and what not as well.

>>40690702
Picatrix can be very, very bad - depending what you do.
Abramelin is also a demonic grimoire, so not much different than goetia.

Imagine someone makes a talisman for career success, and uses it for 40 years, until the end of their career. They fucked up the entire course of their fate by practicing magic. That's how you get people like Joseph Smith creating Mormonism, while carrying a Jupiter talisman. They become a vessel for the spirits, and when they toss the talisman away, they are a shell.

>>40690779
Watch some youtube videos on bug treatments.
90% is solveable lifestyle issues, and maybe 10% having a shitty house setup, that can be fixed.
A bit different if your in an apartment though sharing space with strangers
Also most pest guys suck for the same reason that doctors treating disease is a bad business model

>>40689413
>Some form of Hinduism is definitely where you'll want to be if you're still interested in tantric shenanigans.
Any sattvic Hindu mantra or practice is going to have that same spiritualization effect where you stop caring about the material world, and start only caring about the spiritual world. Which is fairly similar to bodhichitta, just from a hindu lens.

is ape back yet

All that is pretty boring or just freaky. I like simple stuff. Gnosis from the ancient Greeks and gnostics, Vedanta, shaiva agamas, and such stuff. Shiva rahasya. Rumi is cool though.

Vajrayana seems to be the big thing for all or most of you. Can someone tell me honestly what the highest path is and why? Elaborate on it please I'm tired of seeking with no real guidance or light.

>>40694131
the one that works for you, because it does work. I like primitive buddhism, i.e. just what is in the suttas.

>>40694498
I have contemplated this question actually. I am starting to believe the teachings of the real Jesus who's not in the bible or the gnostic apocrypha is true. It came to me in a third eye vision, I am still thinking about it profusely. On Buddhism: it's just too many rules. If enlightenment is real and it is, it can't require 'that' many rules just to work. And the afterlife is something I'm looking forward to. I don't desire ceasing of consciousness. And probably never will.

>>40692708
I saw him selling cartons of cigs out of the trunk of his car in a casino parking lot a few weeks ago. He looked like he hasn't slept in days but was still in good spirits.

are the gateway tapes /omg/ approved? if not what are the best books on astral travels and obes in the library?

>>40697574
The tapes are simply one path to practicing the ability

I have a memory of when I was like 7 years old, where I would lay down facing the ceiling and lay completely still. and I would create this tingly feeling in my body, starting from my legs all the way up my body.
The way I created the tingly feeling was what I can only describe as trying to "move without moving" where I would, for example, send a signal to my leg to move or tense, but without actually doing it. Like trying to find the exact middle point where I felt that signal (tingly feeling), but without moving/tensing the limb/muscle.
I think I did this because it felt good/relaxing, but I have a memory of me doing this and then having my nose against the ceiling. Many years later I remembered this when I was like 18 and was getting into lucid dreaming, and for some reason I thought of trying this technique out to induce them. And I induced many Lucid Dreams and OBEs with it.

Does anyone know if this technique is mentioned anywhere? I have no idea why I did it when I was a little boy, I obviously did not get it from anywhere and it was just an intuitive thing I did. I haven't done it in years, but throughout my life I've had many spontaneous Lucid Dreams, feeling like I was being dragged/floating in my sleep, etc.

>>40697871
Sounds similar to Progressive Muscle Relaxation which is absolutely a method to the astral

>>40697871
>Does anyone know if this technique is mentioned anywhere?
I thought this was the standard technique. I haven't managed to astral travel, but the few times I've treied I've used that technique and gotten to the tingling/vibrating sensation. For some reason when I do it it just results in a feedback loop of stronger and stronger vibrations that don't lead anywhere, but get extremely intense.

>>40683884 (OP)
Hello anons, I'm looking for information for Solar Magick, and about using arts n crafts for magic purposes.

My idea of the latter was more inclined into writing, how can I use it for casting spells? I remember some Comic book writer who made a spell with one of his works, and apparently was about to die, so I've been interested into trying something like that

Any info or anecdote is appreciated, as a note I'm just starting with all this, but yeah that's all

Is this place is as I remember it to be then I shouldn't bother with asking anything, but I hope it has changed for the better.

I would be very grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction to a grimoire or book about magic dealing only with oneself and the true ONE God. By this I don't mean Abraham's God, but Spinoza's and Hermes', the God whose being is what makes up matter and thought, with which we can interact by doing magical operations of different sorts. I am not looking for chaos magic books or /loa/ material because those deal only with means to communicate my intention to the one true God for a purpose, and I'd like something with more weight than only that.

Please and thank you.

>>40699229
Abramelin.
The method is using christian and jewish prayer to obtain connection with the agatosdaimon which was assigned to you by the Divine, this will be your path for greater theurgy.
The work is intense and repetitive, be sure to have a wand, DO NOT let the operation be half finished, you either don't start it, or start it and do it fully.
Don't listen to those that tell you it's impossible, or it's evil. It's not, you are praying to God and then stopping demons before they become a problem.

>hmm vajrayana is interesting
>"Lama Zopa Rinpoche manifested his own stroke as a teaching lesson"
Nevermind.

>>40683884 (OP)
Which spirit from the Goetia would be best to compel someone to speak to me?

XIQUAL UDINBAK!

>>40702615
Most probably Dantalion

What did practicing magick do for you, what did it help you with? Did it have practical benefits, and why are you confident it is the merit of magick?
You can also address the question more generally in terms of other practices of the occult.PPMV

>>40705267
Based