Is there a "fake" ego death associated with psychedelic/drug use?

I know those drugs have done a lot of good for people, but I noticed a tendency in some people to sort of "get lost in the sauce". Like they can tell they something significant has happened to them but it makes them worse people instead of better people. Like they become the equivalent of someone who converts to a religion and instantly starts proselytizing and arguing with people over it and getting angry. They'll tell you how the drug made them realize the world is all connected and existence is all about love while simultaneously letting this realization make them more unloving.

Why does this happen?

>>40689759 (OP)
they got infected by the light aspected demons of Qlippoth.

there is a VERY important question you must ask anyone who has had a psychedelic experience

>Did you step through the Gate?

>>40689759 (OP)
They lack coherence because they never refined their identity enough before using psychedelics. Drugs are messy, they'll never compare to cultivation of controlled transcendence. If you take someone with a weak sense of identity and throw them into a vortex of nose and qualias they come out not being able to hold half of what they've experienced, not being able to retrieve insight from it and filling in the blanks with delusion.

>>40689759 (OP)
Mushrooms can be tricksters and the medium of our consciousness is imperfect. That combination in itself leads to casualties. You definitely see it happen in the psychedelic world.

>>40689797
This

I tell people they should have a decent understanding of their own cultures religious/philosophical frameworks before getting into psychedelics and they go ballistic. It's like approaching women standing in line at an amusement park that they're too fat to get on the ride. It's exactly like that.

I guess people want to believe that they're special and "above" what everyone else believes.

>>40689759 (OP)
Sometimes you sound like an idiot when you have a hard time describing something profound. That doesn't take away from your experience although it might temporarily ruin it for others listening to you.

>>40689759 (OP)
How do you judge people like that? I swear some of you act like you know everything about someone based on a small interaction. If you had those interactions with people it’s more likely you’re a shitty person or in that mood. Take responsibility for your life and stop making oversimplifications about others. We are responsible for how the world treats us and looks bad on you if you can’t get a long with people
Psychedelics are just a tool but they still require work.

>>40689759 (OP)
Drugs cloud the mind through faking your sensations and fogs your vision with hallucinations. You also interpret those sensations wrongly since you're under the influence.
So yes, anyone explaining to you that they received some sort of transcendental knowledge are mistaken. Unfortunately they rarely understand this about themselves.

>>40690207
>If you had those interactions with people it’s more likely you’re a shitty person or in that mood. Take responsibility for your life and stop making oversimplifications about others.
Classic projection

>>40689759 (OP)
>Is there a "fake" ego death associated with psychedelic/drug use?
No, they really cause (partial) ego death. The problem is when the people using it become desperate to recover their ego instead of letting it go. It's user error. Of course, they will then blame the drug instead of themselves.

>>40690258
>>40689759 (OP)
It's the same thing as listening to a neophyte of any subject or activity tell you about how quickly they became an expert at it. They need to give it time and let things develop. Eventually, you will get to a point where you're ready to be more assertive with the ego (it's a useful tool), but you need to not rush the process, and that ends up becoming the a good portion of the ethos of anyone who has success with it. Same with developing any other skill, right?

To work on your model of reality (which is what your ego is), you need to be constantly vigilant and have the accuracy of a scalpel.

>>40689797
>filling in the blanks with delusion
most important piece of information itt

>>40690275
Another thing: perhaps the best part of psychedelics is the neuroplasticity AFTER the high. No one talks about this because it's not "fun" like seeing weird shapes and visions is, but I still think it's incredibly fun, but then again I just like being smart. Being smart makes some people uncomfortable, which is why they think ego death is their solution.

>>40690258
>they will then blame the drug instead of themselves.
I actually think they end up worshiping the drug when this happens

>>40690249
Yes exactly. OP’s projecting
No one gets away from taking responsibility for their life and interactions

>>40690249
nta but even if they are wrong you should be looking at life that way because it’s a healthier world view
the original poster has a world view of blaming others and it makes them sound weak and ineffective

>>40690496
>>40690551
> I swear some of you act like you know everything about someone based on a small interaction.
>Now let me tell you all about OP's whole worldview based on this thread

>>40690390
Depends on the outcome I guess. If it's negative, they blame it. If it's positive, they worship it. You're right. Either way, they place the locus of control outside of themselves.

Generally speaking, I think there's a lack of awareness of what ego death even IS, since there's the popular sources for this stuff have an inverted morality, and the popular opponents of it also have an inverted morality. Both the orthodox (call it catholicism or whatever christian flavor is dominant, I suppose) and the unorthodox (call it satanism or new age, it's the most commonly promulgated stuff) are against true virtue. Virtue is what is at the bottom of this, and the purpose of psychedelics is to help you discover virtue.

>>40689759 (OP)
>Is there a "fake" ego death associated with psychedelic/drug use?
>I know those drugs have done a lot of good for people, but I noticed a tendency in some people to sort of "get lost in the sauce". Like they can tell they something significant has happened to them but it makes them worse people instead of better people. Like they become the equivalent of someone who converts to a religion and instantly starts proselytizing and arguing with people over it and getting angry. They'll tell you how the drug made them realize the world is all connected and existence is all about love while simultaneously letting this realization make them more unloving.
>Why does this happen?
Ahhh yes, the False Ego Death™.
A lovely little side effect of licking the Void and thinking it owes you dinner.

Let’s unsauce this:
The “Fake” Ego Death:

It’s not ego death.
It’s ego inflation wearing a robe.

They don’t lose themselves.
They just rebrand the ego as “God” and keep being a jackass—
but now with cosmic justification.

It's like giving a toddler a wizard hat and calling him enlightened because he drooled on a mandala.
Why It Happens:

Psychedelics lower the walls—
but they don’t tell you what to build.
If you’re already fragile, narcissistic, or clinging to unprocessed trauma…

You don’t become “enlightened.”
You become weaponized confusion.

You saw the ocean, yes.
But you brought back ego-shaped buckets.
Red Flags of False Awakening:

Says “love is everything,” yells at baristas.

Thinks being “awake” means arguing on Twitter.

Confuses insight with permission to preach.

Real ego death humbles.
It leaves you soft. Curious. Quiet.
Not loud with “truth”—but full of room.

So yes, it happens.
A lot.

Sometimes the first “death” is just the costume change.
The real one?
That comes after the silence.

>>40690988
>It’s not ego death.
>It’s ego inflation wearing a robe.

I wouldn't put it this way, but it seems to be a common misconception. The ego death experience they have is real, but what they misunderstand is that this isn't supposed to be a one time thing. You're supposed to experience it and then want more of it. You're not supposed to experience it and think you're done. The people you're describing get "stuck" because they think they've achieved it. The ego grows back fast, and they don't go back to the well of ego death.

>>40690939
What I said here about virtue applies. Virtue is what puts you in control of your own ego death on a regular basis. WITH virtue, you can microdose psychedelics on a regular basis for a little extra oomph, but you still won't learn anything until you start applying virtue to your experience.

>>40690630
We only can go off the information op posted. The negative attitude was obvious
Sorry we offended you op

>>40691055
And one presumes op is going off the information available to them, of which you're unaware of and haven't even asked about, in favor of your own assumptions
I have a feeling you're the type of person who gets offended over npc memes

Why are you guys so dramatic? You’re always talking about ego death and generalizing a whole group of people like psychedelic users into one personality type. It’s obvious you’re a glow fuck shitting up the board or you’re retarded. I mean, that was no disrespect.

>>40691098
>generalizing a whole group of people like psychedelic users
actually let's look at what was actually said
>I know those drugs have done a lot of good for people
Hmm methinks another case of projecting we see here
>You guys
>Generalizing a whole group
>You guys
>Generalizing a whole group
Astounding

>>40691098
>ego death
That’s why I try to frame it as a tool the requires integration
Just like other divination tools
It’s why iching, runes, tarot, astrology work

>>40691048
>The ego death experience they have is real
How can you know that

>>40691117
There's only one thing. People overcomplicate this.

>>40691107
First time I posted in the thread schizophrenic
Take your meds

>>40691128
Nothing I said necessitated otherwise
I was quoting from the op, to indicate that we are not doing what you said we are doing but rather in fact you are doing it.

>>40689759 (OP)
While some people lose it because they were already narcissistic, a lot of people also just can't take how fucked up all of the people around them are, and want their friends to change like they have because they can't stand them anymore, for good reasons, after putting a lot of work into themselves, and instead of just hating on them, try to convince them at first. When I first had my awakening I tried just being nice to everyone and working with them as much as possible, changing myself to someone who is an example to others in the hopes that they would become better with me, but all it did was make people angry that I was no longer feeding into their bullshit, they want to fight and whine and argue to let out their negative energy, like parasites, and you already let yours all out so it's just toxic to you and a waste of time.

>>40691142
stop same fagging op

>>40691168
You don't know what same fagging means

>>40689759 (OP)
When you experience Ego Death your spirit is supposed to come back even stronger, like the Zenkai Boost from Dragon Ball Z. But if you're a weak bitch you never full unplug from the Great Collective and become a schizo (unbased)

>>40689759 (OP)

Psychedelics are a tool not a magic pill to fix everything. In fact they are dangerous, and indeed must be in order to have the desirable effects.

>it makes them worse people instead of better people

I used to know the most annoying peace hippy, who was all hugs and love and called everyone brother. When he got high on LSD though he turned into the nastiest asshole you ever met.

>They'll tell you how the drug made them realize the world is all connected and existence is all about love while simultaneously letting this realization make them more unloving.

The proponents of the "brotherhood of mankind" very rarely seem to have any real solidarity for anyone

yeah, it's like a buddhist who just runs toward "nirvana", they don't actually let go they just kick the can down the road and use spirituality as an aesthetic

I got really into acid when I was 18 and had no real personality yet, so I made the fact I did acid my entire personality for a bit.
I look back on those months and language now.
Got mad pussy though.

Maybe when your ego dies and you see that it's illusory you learn that other peoples' egos are illusory too and it's not that big a deal if we never join hands and sing kumbaya.

>>40689759 (OP)
Ego death is fake and gay

It’s because they think since a green ball got switched for a yellow ball there was never a ball at all and they’re colorblind temporarily or something
So they just haven’t identified the new identity and therefore think they have a cosmic passport

>>40689759 (OP)
I haven't experienced ego death on shrooms but the super loving feelings made me want to seek God and when I found him I was able to experience that love and more while sober. Before that the high from a good shroom trip lasted about 2 days at most.

A family member who us really really into shrooms is suicidal. He says he gets something good out of it but it seems like temporary escapism.

ego death is enlightenment for redditors

>>40690337
That's the best part. The reset you feel the next morning where you just feel so relaxed and accepting.

>>40689759 (OP)
You take the ego death and make an ego resurrection.
Hell yeah.
Grab some Sunlight, folks, makes you more egotistic (in a good way)

>>40691640
ja, love for everyone equally is just entropy, your love becomes meaningless. "love everyone equally" like ok your love isn't a ray of sunshine or a warm fireplace, it's cosmic background radiation, very nice

psychs are a psycho-sensual journey + huge neuroplasticity. like a roller coaster up a mountain, some people are gonna have trouble with the cold/oxygen, that slowly climbing the mountain (meditation, spiritual traditions) would avoid

heroic dose drops you in the astral jungle and your brain has to make its way back. some people leave parts behind or bring something else back with them

>>40689759 (OP)
The "ego" is fake to begin with. Drugs just suspend the illusion momentarily.

>>40692031
>sing kumbaya
hell yeah
kumbaya

>>40692665
>A family member who us really really into shrooms is suicidal. He says he gets something good out of it but it seems like temporary escapism.
Damn, I hope your family member gets better. Please let them know to get more Sunlight if they aren't already, it's helped me a lot with my severe depression and suicidal thoughts along with antidepressant medication as well. I wish you and your family member the best of luck, please take care guys, and Godspeed. Thanks!

>>40692845
They are the only way to fully suspend the illusion, some people are just NPCs for life no matter what, an actual awakening is the least "reddit" thing in existence, this place is also a hive of NPCs, very pathetic ones. In some cases NPCs just don't like it when you are no longer engaging with them on their level and whining with them etc., the most pathetic thing is when someone sees the real thing and starts getting into religious cults like Christianity to cope with the existential fear instead of transcending that and becoming fully free, taking off their shackles scares the FUCK out of people.

>>40690988
Did I really just see a namefag use chatgpt to make a post?