Whenever you ask theists why there's so much evil in the world they always say free will but if free will is so important to god why are people so easily controlled? People are so massively influenced by genetics environment etc that there's very little room left for free will if any.
Why would God design a universe and human beings which are so suspectable to outside influences

There is no free will. You're born as a product of consequence. Maybe you can choose between a Coke or a Pepsi, but it makes no difference really.

I don't think there is a geocentric god. Perhaps there could be higher entities out there, but I wouldn't call them gods unless you're looking to get enslaved. Even a type 2 or type 3 civilisation with their technology could believably pretend to be god for humans.

>>40707885
I could believe this
Is an afterlife still possible?

>>40707898
Yes.

>>40707909
What would it look like?
Your brain being reconstructed to exactly as it was before you died?

>>40707915
Of course I don't have that knowledge.

Humans can trace whereabouts of a person through something as simple as a wifi router. Maybe some higher civilisation has you scanned, or consciousness itself has a built in feature which lets "you" continue.

>>40707931
I just don't see how death isn't final. It seems final

>>40707942
It does yes.

From a human perspective I do think if it's worthwhile to continue or more mercyful to end it. Is there really a reason to continue other than fear of death which itself isn't that meaningful.

I'd say life after death is possible, but is it possible for us? Does it serve a purpose? If you, precisely you as a person get another go, would it be the exact same life?

These were more on the philosophy side of questions, but considering biological aging isn't that far from human reach, I wouldn't be surprised if death would be conquered somewhere out there.

>>40707841 (OP)
>why are people so easily controlled?
Because they used their free will to choose to live like that

>>40707979
There's just way too few vegans, abortion abolitionists, effective altruists, Luigi mangiones, etc for me to believe most people have a significant amount of actual free will

Bump

>>40707841 (OP)
God did not create the universe, God created a demiurge or gave him permission to create the universe

>>40707942
>I just don't see how death isn't final. It seems final
I know a goddess and I've gotten the impression that our minds are partially extradimensional with a quantum physics interface. (That's how they interact with this reality.)

>>40707968
*stopping biological aging

>>40708330
I've heard that before but doesn't that entail solipsism?
Or at least a type of solipsism?

>>40707841 (OP)
People are easily controlled because free will was used to cultivate trash genetics; our species wanted to make taxes and mortgages real and were willing, desiring and attituding towards them "no matter the cost"; 95% of y chromosomes were lost 7,000 years ago.

Men breed with broads dumb enough to fall for their lies, women do a similar thing. The species fights itself to breed and breeding is how we remain here.
Using free will is a dedicated effort and is even opposed. Most simply revert to learned behaviors; the will of others.

>>40708391
I mostly agree to this but it seems to rule out an all powerful all knowing all loving or all just God

>>40707841 (OP)
>Whenever you ask theists why there's so much evil in the world they always say free will
False.

>>40707885
yawn.

>>40707841 (OP)
Because God is evil. Simple as.

>>40708516
I think the truth is probably this or atheism
>>40708486
I was being hyperbolic. Still almost all involve free will ie original sin or soul building or fallen angels/archons or whatever

>>40708534
Atheism would never evolve in this way. Not even in 100000 trillion years.

>>40707841 (OP)
free will as soul to decide which environment u want to experience, which genetics

>>40708534
Nah.

that's because they have chosen to be weak.

>>40707841 (OP)
The world is evil because the God of it sees himself as above dualistic morality. Everything is made to fulfill his will, regardless of what we deem right or wrong. Autocratic.

>>40707841 (OP)
Imagine being this smart-stupid. Stop thinking words and shit work like math where contradictions are simple and easy to deal with. Dumb people have things they need to say too, dipshit.

>>40707841 (OP)
Because free will is limited, but it's still there. That's part of growing as a person on a physical, mental, and spiritual level, you unlock and unleash more of your free will over your own mind, your thoughts and your physical actions, and your very Human Soul.

Simple as that. If y'all want to help unleash more of your free will and get more mana and energy, make sure to get more Sunlight everyday without burning. Thanks! And Godspeed.

>>40707841 (OP)
How important do you think it was that the whale had free will when it was in an artificial enclosure being forced by mind control techniques to do tricks for reward/punishment?

Did the free will have anything to do with it's circumstances, it's treatment or ultimately whether it got to stay or leave the artificial enclosure?

What a strange name for a whale huh, I wonder what this movie was about?

>>40707841 (OP)
>Whenever you ask theists why there's so much evil in the world they always say free will
You're asking the wrong people. Usually because people are stupid enough to think Christians are the only theists.
Your free will is so much more limited than you or they think.

>>40711207
I think free will is extremely limited if it even exists at all
Which is a problem for Christianity I think because it holds people responsible for not believing Jesus rose from the dead and punishes them with hell or annihilationism

>>40712075
Just because free will is limited doesn't mean we shouldn't hold people accountable for their actions regardless, that's how you stagnate your free will and prevent adequate growth for it to happen in the first place. Just fyi, not a conventionally religious person myself, some of the contradictions and inconsistencies of Christians beliefs, let alone all religious beliefs, is a whole other can of worms to open up with. We're gonna need more than just a simple can opener to get through with that issue, but that's for another time. Until then, get Sunlight, folks! Thanks

>>40712075
>I think free will is extremely limited if it even exists at all
It does. You have exactly one choice.
It affects nothing, which is why it is free.

>>40707841 (OP)
>why are people so easily controlled? People are so massively influenced by genetics environment etc that there's very little room left for free will if any.
I just got a dog clicker trainer. Turns out it works on humans. More people should learn hypnosis and NLP techniques so they can recognize when it is used to manipulate them.

>>40713708
do animals have free will

>>40713749
They train us

>>40713840
How