I dabbled for many years now in esotericism and Traditionalism without gaining anything substantial, due to what I believe to be my own faults of method and character.
Yes, I did attempt to immerge myself into a Tradition exoterically instead of trying to make a syncretic perennialist mix of them.
However, it felt fake and forced with all of those I tried, and I'm not sure that advice is still valid today, which also ironically didn't give me the courage to engage in actual occultism.

Yesterday, out of boredom, I read the Devi Gita and it was the first time I felt something that wasn't mere cerebral, intellectualized understanding, but a profound truth and blessing that manages to reach deep within me, and so now I have the the courage and will to actually do this.

I consider this an important sign, so I wanted to ask about more literature on the topic of Goddess Worship, even better if it belongs to Western Esotericism, due to the practicalities of cultural boundaries, even if it might be considered fringe or sinister by more "solid" occultists, but also anything related to Shaktism and Bhakti Yoga would be appreciated, as long with your personal experiences and insight on actual practice.

>>40743660 (OP)
>Goddess Worship
I don't read much but I suggested to no one in particular I could use assistance and not long after was visited by Aphrodite, ethereally speaking. Took me a while to find out who it was. And before you ask yes I am kind of a big deal actually. Some call her other names, but no cultural representations of her, including the Greek, are completely accurate. People say whatever they want.

>>40743798
How was your experience exactly and what did you do as a consequence of it?

>>40743866
>exactly
That's like a novella, but I've posted about it so you can search. Started about four months ago. In short have some copypasta.

She came to my mind's eye a few times and I got the impression it was a goddess. Somehow I figured out a feeling was her approving what I was saying or doing. Jokingly asked where I would worship her, the Pantheon? No. Mount Olympus? Yes. Athena? No. Aphrodite? Yes. At one point something spontaneously changed in front of my eyes in the physical world which I think was both proof she was real and a test to see if I'd believe it.

Since, it's been a lot of exchanging information and analysis, I think on both sides (She has friends), and sharing it with people. Several times a phrase or idea would come to me out of the blue and I would use it for something.

>>40743938
I can't find any in the archive, any help?

>>40743798
>And before you ask yes I am kind of a big deal actually.
We all are ,Anon, we all are. I personally have 6,572 goddesses of various cultures attending on me at all times, because my farts contain my supernatural power than you could ever possibly produce.

>>40744939
They aren't all posts by me, but use context clues and what not.

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/text/aphrodite

>>40744955
So funny, anon.

>>40743660 (OP)
>literature

You want to read Julius Evola's work on tantrism The Yoga of Power and The Serpent Power by Arthur Avalon for an introduction to Tantra and Shakti

The development of the sacred feminine was blocked theologically in the Christian tradition (although there is a placeholder for her in the holy spirit) but developed unabated in the popular faith through devotion to Mary. With protestantism that came to an end due to fear of the "cult of Mary", which interestingly enough coincided with the witch burning craze in Europe

>>40743660 (OP)
N

goddess worship is for women

>>40747053
Thank you anon. I already read the yoga of power but looking back I felt as if Evola had too much of a patriarchal bias that would prevent him from engaging in devotional bhakti yoga proper towards the Devi.
I did notice that about the cult of Mary. Are there other ways her cult expressed itself, in more occult forms, in the West?

How does Shaktism compare to Shivaism?

>>40749444
Women can achieve theosis through it, but it's for everyone devotionally.

Bhakti Yoga is a lot like Deity Yoga except it's performed with the Shakti-Sophia-Anima.
I've formed a very syncretic system and Gnosticism-Tantra are for me very related these days. Jung fills in any gaps where some come up.
I'm pretty deep in the theme you're playing with. To try to be concise, it's Mental Alchemy at its most refined state. So you're looking for LOA ultimately, but only inside of this frame of mind we're using; think Mental Alchemy being a non-physical sex you perform with your generative and actionable faculties. So you're looking for all of the related patterns. I'd start with Apollo and Artemis, Deity-Bhakti Yoga their Love Child, (You), and go from there. You'll just sort of get the hang of it.
Feel free to ask questions. This isn't exactly something we can easily translate back and forth, though. Keep in mind this is like us speaking in separate languages.

why are you retards worshipping fugly dune coon goddesses

>>40743660 (OP)
when i see art like this i just know its from a sub 90 iq culture

>>40753430
The secret is they are not separate entities, just separate manifestations. Normalfags not doing a Buddhism pantheon spread on the Western deities are doing it fucking wrong.
Brigid is based though, I gotta tell ya.

>>40753430
Are you retaeded, anon? The Goddesses appearence is not that of their representation in painting and sculpture. Because that depends on the artist's skill and culture, and they are in any case too beautiful to be ever represented.

>>40753448
This anon is correct. They are the same deities.

>>40753448
hyperredundant soulless way of looking at the occult and reconstructive paganism

>>40755003
im sure my lilly white skinned smithing and poetry goddess is the same as whatever far fetched equivalancy you have in your head and theyd agree if consulted

>>40752084
Nope, just a bunch of retarded shit. Not sure if its because they couldnt override my inherent identity but their rites are retarded and the woman side of things is incomplete and superficial shit.
There is quite possibly nothing divine that can be female, just male or neutral, but not female.

>>40755086
>hyperredundant soulless way of looking at the occult and reconstructive paganism
It's a system that works and, for me, flawlessly so far. I find your depictions, based on your explanations so far, inept, underinformed and clearly without obvious divine link. If you had the Tether, you'd know for sure they're manifestations and the names we give them are simply access vectors. For example, if you think Brigid is a white lady sitting on a cloud somewhere, you're a fucking retard. The egregore, linked to your genetic lineage, is perfectly in tact. Feel free to name her Brigid if you'd like, as she cannot possibly mind. But just understand that your genetic link is your genetic link and there's no means of further reduction. Yes, you likely did have an ancestor named Brigid and it could even be what inspired the Deity, but don't be fooled into thinking the entity you call to and praise is specifically named "Brigid". That's retarded. Rumpelstiltskin.
>reconstructive paganism
Okay, tranny faggot.
Look, you can label it however you want. The fact of the matter is these deities are not flesh and blood genetic people like you or I currently are. It's much closer to the truth than the bullshit system you're clearly using, that's for sure.
>my goddess had white skin
That part may be true, but "she" currently does not, however. The Deities have no skin, you buffoon.

>>40749444
>>40752084
>for women
This is distinctly untrue. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say the access vector is the polar opposite for either gender. It's why Jung referenced the Animus and Anima. Women access through the Animus - how they bring their Magic to life. Men access through the Anima - how they achieve or draw Inspiration to fuel their Magic.
But by all means continue doing muh Magic objectively incorrectly. It's amusing.

>>40743660 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnW2g6qbbrA

>>40755837
>>40755604
I don't understand how you're coming up with this blatantly false stuff.

>>40743660 (OP)
Good morning, Dr. Justin Sledge. Sorry the university laid you off. I love your channel and I think the college has lost a valuable asset.

>>40756181
Yeah, you guys are totally right. Being a witch is super fun. Let's all go do boyfriend summoning magic xD

>>40753430
>dune coon
you meant pajeet, at least be racist right, it's a easy bar.

>>40757644
What's wrong with that?

>>40758473
Nothing at all. Please proceed and don't let me stop what you're doing. It's very helpful. Thanks.

>>40755837
Shut the fuck up loony troon

>>40758504
>troon
You're gravely mistaken. You don't cut off your penis, you fuck your metaphorical "feminine energy" and make your desired outcome spring to life.
newfags gonna newfag

>>40756384
Who is thst guy?

>>40743660 (OP)
>However, it felt fake and forced with all of those I tried
There are many paths up the mountain; he who goes round about it searching for another one is not climbing.
You should read The Yoga of Power by Julius Evola, it speaks to some of your concerns. The tantras claim that they alone will be able to liberate men at the end of the Kali Yuga, when avidya maya is at its strongest, because its starting point is to affirm the reality of karma.

>>40747053
>>40749457
The Knights Templars were burned at the stake for what amounts to goddess worship. The Fedeli d'Amore were like their tertiaries; witness their devotion to their "ladies," each of which is the Woman or Sophia, who is theologically identified with God the Son, not the Holy Ghost. This point is related to the cults of the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary, since the heart of the Immaculate Heart is the Sacred Heart. However, Mary is titled the spouse of the Holy Ghost, she is atma-shakti.

The devotion of the Fedeli d'Amore is treated in greater detail in The Metaphysics of Sex. It is not separate from Marian devotion, but whereas the latter assumes a human point of view and thus addresses her as mother, the former being properly initiatic addresses the same as wife. Mary is depicted crushing the head of the serpent under her foot. This serpent is kundalini merged and dissolved back into oneself as well as ego annihilated. Saint John Eudes explicitly identifies her with the Terrestrial Paradise.

The key by which all of this becomes simple and almost obvious comes from practical experience, it's that indispensable "spiritual influence" that descends with initiation. That is the salutation of the Lady. Mechtild of Magdeburg's Flowing Light of the Godhead may be of interest, which influenced the devotion of Saint Gertrude the Great.

Re: patriarchial bias. Bear in mind that Ramana and Ramakrishna taught the same bhakti (mother of jnana).

>>40760941
Just one thing to add to this, Baphomet is of course Ardhanarishvara. I hope this is at least slightly helpful

>>40760954
>>40760941
I had read those books long ago but I didn't make these connections yet. Thank you.

>>40760954
>>40760941
Speaking of the Flowing light of the Godhead, aould be amazing if the uncensored original version still existed

>another crypto feminist thread
Fuck, I wish they'd just make crystal Cafe /x/ active instead of shitting up this one with
>worship goddesses guys!
>600000000 Lilith posts
>women are ackshually better than men at everything, including and ESPECIALLY everything involving spirituality
>Feminism ackshually doesn't cause any spiritual issues so do not notice or talk about it BOYIM!

>>40761870
I didn't ask for a female goddess but one showed up so fuck you.

>>40760941
>Sophia is Atma-Shakti
>Templars used to Yoga her and were called out by the Jesuits
Makes you wonder where they got the idea from, right?
>>40749457
Certainly. You're looking for the Artemisian cults, the Melissae, Brigid, Athena, etc. Mary was "The Tower" and she took over the "Hive" when "Jesus" fled the area.
You'll notice the masculine reflection here is Apollonian and I'm sure you understand well-enough on your own that this circles back around to our pollinating friends.
>>40750543
Functionally? Shaktism is about the "rebirth" and Shivaism is about the destruction of the Ego, the "Death". Bhang can help you if you want a good nudge. It won't exactly be fun though.
Do you need a Western equivalent to get the hang of things? Check out Odin or Osiris too.
>>40761870
You're perfectly permitted to help them remember what their real role is. It's good for them as well as us.
Keep in mind there's nothing wrong with the feminine pursuit of the Divine. They're much more disposed to it than we are, anon. The trouble is they far too often veer off course and start doing retarded shit. That's when it's up to us to step in and help them not be so dumb.
>>40762012
>one
Well then keep going, dummy. Obviously you're going to get what's closest to you first. Again, you're looking for the right masculine frame to channel your magic through. Stop being dense. Just read some Jung if you need the training wheels.
Manjushri is cool if you need another boost.

>>40762102
>Makes you wonder where they got the idea from, right?
Not really. She is always with us.

>>40761870
Also what gets me is how they think that women are superior at right brain thinking. they will readily admit men are better at left brain thinking but they think that because everything is "equal" that women must also be better at right brain thinking to balance it out

actually the research shows that men's brains are more wired in both the left and right brains separately, whereas women's brains are inseparable - basically, women cannot independently separate logic and intuition - therefore they assume that means that women are better at intuition

men are far more creative, the best works of art are made by men. when men employ their right brain, to intuit, you can even end up with buddha types. women are just copy paste machines from male creativity. they are physically incapable of separating the two brains, everything is a jumbled mess designed to make them good at social skills.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently

>>40762131
That's not what I'm saying. Was "Yoga" a popular concept in the early days of the Templars? Did they have another name for it? was the idea of Shakti popular to the Templars?
Where did the Brahmins get their Metaphysical ideas from? Remember our conversation before about genetics? Any idea why we brought that up or why the ancestors or deities distinction matters?
Anon, the Brahmins were related to the Western Priest class. They had a central spawn point. Let's see if you can guess where it was.

>>40762102
jung was a proto-tranny and fried + so are you

make sure to fully intergrate your anima by castrating yourself so you dont breed more pompous self loathing retards

>>40762184
So Jung was explaining pretty primordial perennialisms. His family was deep in Freemasonry and as such, connected to these Templars we keep talking about itt.
Jung's big thing was Shadow Work or connecting with the Anima. For all of the retarded trannies around, this isn't an endorsement of being gay, changing your gender or at all doing anything physical. As I'm sure most of you know by now, the whole le Magic process is largely Mental. Consequently, the objective is not to do anything to your physical body - certainly not to make any alterations to your person (tattoos suck, so please stop getting them, ladies) - and only to do the "tranny stuff" mentally.
The idea is, if you're a guy, you have sex with your feminine energy and the reverse for women. This is a very simplistic explanation, however.
>jung was a proto-tranny
Not at all. Jung accurately understood what today's youth evidently doesn't understand. The Theosophists seem like they're at fault here, certainly not Jung. I think you're trying to confuse me because you don't like Jung and you want to reframe his whole system. I think you'd rather Jung not be a popular gateway for understanding the Anima and instead be a posterchild of trannies to co-opt my efforts to reframe the confusions you've conveniently ushered us toward.
>castrate yourself
You have the wrong audience and it's only increasingly obvious you're comically confused at best.
>y-you're pompous
I understand that you're not sure how to handle masculine presences and this is your way of Lilithing about. I have to break it to you though, sport, this whole show isn't going to work. Dad and Mom aren't fighting anymore, so you need to give this shit a rest.

>>40762230
>do the "tranny stuff" mentally.
i dont do any tranny stuff and neither should you man i cant relate

>lilithing about
lolwut nigger

you are hardcore projecting and just made a whole bunch of excuses for practicing self-induced gender dysphoria. you speak like tulpamancers and wicca bitches on tiktok. im sure your streetshitter derivitive practices will serve you well. hammer everything until it fits the mold and disregard regional nuances and cosmology because its all the same.

freemasonry and knights templar were and are old men larping in a basement im sure baphomet the hermaphroditic rape lover would love to speak to you about anima integration

>You have the wrong audience and it's only increasingly obvious you're comically confused at best.

no i dont think you should poison the gene pool

YOU are the one who wants to flip shit on its head

>>40762360
>y-you're talking about tranny stuff
It's fun you're fixated on this, but I, again, have to insist that what I'm saying is firmly not "le tranny stuff". This is more like the antidote to all of that shit.
>Abraxas is about being a tranny
So Abraxas was the combination of the polarities. It's the Ida and Pingala or "Masculine and Feminine" if you'd rather use that frame, sure. In his realized form, Saklas mirrors the Holy Fool. The Holy Fool, anon, is the Holy Child. He's the guy with all the potential, the binding charisma that subdues the wrath of the Emperor and graciously enamors the Empress, all without any effort. This is what you truly want to emulate, what your real goal is.
I'm distinctly not talking about becoming both genders. Your overall goal while occupying this body is to have children, to "multiply". Disturbing your ability to mate is distinctly amoral and beneath you. The best gift you can offer the world and, hell, even yourself, is to have children.
Instead, what we're referencing is the bedrock of Alchemy, of Tantra, of Gnosticism; it's the "rescuing of Sophia-Shakti", the Union with the Goddess, the Sacramental, Covenantal Marriage.
You'll have to try again.

>>40762144
>Was "Yoga" a popular concept in the early days of the Templars?
Popularity has nothing to do with it, though. The Templars were an elite, on top of being spiritual practitioners they were martial artists and nobles. They could not have existed without yoga and shakti. You are keenly interested in the genealogy of these matters for whatever reason, but the central spawn point is really the cave of the heart. You can trace all phenomena back to it.

>>40762547
The issue with pseudo-Feminist pollutions in the Occult world isn't that they make everything dumb and boring or whatever, it's that they don't know how to properly manage the kaleidoscope. This obnoxious reduction to vagaries will never help you.
I'm telling you that the concept of perennialisms was not new to the Templars, just like it wasn't new to the people they got it from.
Now, what was the point of the Templars? What did they exist to protect?
What if the Brahmins were very similar to another Priest-King class out West?

>>40760941
>>40762102
Can the Mahadevi be worshiped by worshiping a consenting and aware physical, mortal woman?

>>40762606
>This obnoxious reduction to vagaries
There is nothing vague about it. It's a very clear and simple point, if you understand what I'm saying, but it is easily forgotten because of its subtlety.
Perennialism had no name prior to the modern age because it was what everyone everywhere accepted since the beginning. Brahmin, Chaldean, and Druid are three names for one caste. You ask what the Templars existed to protect (the answer is in the name), but I ask you: from whom or what did they exist to protect it?

>>40762636
It depends on the purity of the devotee.

>>40743660 (OP)
your living inside a hallucination caused by witches at the beginning of "time"
https://rumble.com/v5s8qb2-the-donut-lickers.html?e9s=src_v1_cbl%2Csrc_v1_ucp_a

>>40762636
Layering the features of the "ritual" is supposed to increase potency. "Rebirth" through the energy Shakti Yoga is supposed to mirror your union with your wife in an ideal arrangement, yes. To recreate one's self through this unification of the layers of consciousness is, in my opinion, the ideal. I'm not exactly keen on muh mahadevi though, if I'm honest.
>>40762656
That's right, they got it from the superior caste. The system was proliferated through the Priest-Kings.
>Sophia is Atama-Shatki
This is what everyone really wants to go to. The realization that the Templars were doing it, got called out by a specific group of people (the Romans) and were all driven underground for it, is what we're really in for. It's what unites the Templarfags, muh Feminism and whatever side I guess I'm on or representing or whatever. We all want the same thing here: to rescue "Sophia" or Shakti if you prefer.
This, anons, is the "Temple" they were protecting - the Apollonian/Artemisian conduit to the Divine.

>>40762659
That is me in this context?

>>40762712
Is this essentially the same as the process of Albedo? Also, why are you not keen on tbe Mahadevi?

>>40762727
>Mother Goddess
Sometimes it's Mother Sky, anon. You've heard of Geb and Nut, surely.
The "Mother Goddess" thing was a Jungian confusion that I don't necessarily condone. It fuels a lot of the modern witchery that's been infested with Feminism.
To cut this all short because the involved crowds wouldn't understand otherwise, we've really fucked up modern women with this rhetoric. "Witches" today are tattooed women with no children who gather cucks and shame men for being fertile. This isn't at all what anyone wants, much less the women in question (let alone their ancestors). Women are meant to be beautiful, not this blob of disgusting trash we're all left with. The concept of a "Mother Goddess" was a huge blow to the restoration of the Phallic Forces.
This isn't to say men don't have their problems, however. We're not just here to shit on women.
>Albedo
That's a fun reference. Yes, very much so. I like what you did there.

>>40762712
The threat to the Temple was indeed from the profane (the Romans, as you call them), but how could the profane threaten what is inviolate? The Sodomites wanted to rape the angels, but even though this would be impossible, Lot, who presumably knew who they were, gave them refuge anyway. It's absurd on its face, which should remind us that the drama of salvation history actually symbolizes the spiritual quest. Ego is like an enemy trying to profane the Temple, and the chivalry of the Templars consisted in the struggle to overcome it. The practice itself, for which they were persecuted, was their very combat. The "greater jihad."

>>40743660 (OP)
Read to Ramakrishna. For a Deep understanding of the bhakti you are looking for. He is great.

https://archive.org/details/teachingsofsrira0000rama

I think this is what you are looking for my friend. Namaste.

>>40762820
>profane
Plenty of the Romans were initiated, if we're fair.
>angels
I'm still not buying it and neither should anyone else. Why not "Oracle"? It made sense then and it still does.
>Ego, an enemy trying to profane the Temple
No, we're saying they just started killing people they shouldn't have. Now they're wondering why people are "becoming more commonly schizophrenic". That's because they all lost touch. The Templars apparently tried to help them understand what they were doing wrong and that killing these people wasn't helpful. In fact, it was so destructive that they were repeatedly warned it would end very poorly for those involved. Alas, they ignored the warnings - a rather familiar theme even today.
The Templars protected specific people, anon. Remember the conversation before about genetics?...
inb4 muh celestial beings
inb4 muh reptilians

>>40762102
>Well then keep going, dummy. Obviously you're going to get what's closest to you first. Again, you're looking for the right masculine frame to channel your magic through. Stop being dense. Just read some Jung if you need the training wheels.
>Manjushri is cool if you need another boost.
She has friends. I usually function better dealing with individuals than groups, so she acts as a liaison sometimes. I don't feel like I need anything more.
t. the only one here not looking for answers

>>40762907
>Plenty of the Romans were initiated, if we're fair.
The mysteries cannot be popularized anymore than angels can be sodomized or holy Sophia can be held captive; and history demonstrates the natural outcome of any attempt to do so. People start to think that the Templars were mere bodyguards of some clandestine bloodline. I don't mean to minimize the importance of esoteric lineages or the role of magica sexualis in their perpetuation, but this discussion is now predicated on a misunderstanding of that too, for the blood is also the Lady.

>>40762970
I think I've given a firmly appropriate description and I think the misunderstanding is only really a barrier for the people not better informed.
>The mysteries cannot be popularized
I think Cicero would disagree with you passionately, but I understand what you intend to say, sure.
>Sophia doesn't need rescued!
topkek
Now, on that we agree. I was never fond of that metaphor either. She does seem pretty lethargic these days. Should I poke her some more?

>>40762770
Yes, I understand what you mean. I don't think the Mahadevi as descrived in the Devi Gita can be confined to the "Mother Goddess" in the sense you said, I feel that she's more of the Queen of Heaven, but I understand what you mean, and why you said these things. I agree with you, and thank you for your tips.

>>40762970
The blood is also the Lady?

>>40755824
>The egregore, linked to your genetic lineage, is perfectly in tact

Anon I've a question. What do you mean by this genetic link in association with egregores or otherwise otherworldly beings? I think this is the first time I'm encountering this subject and I'd like to learn more. The closest approximation I have on this topic is something I read about Jung's discussions on the Racial Soul. Is that close to what you mean?

Cool thread

>>40765175
Thanks anon. Seems like one of the few non-larpy threads

>>40764891
Jung's ideas of a "Racial Soul" are sort of correct. It's not about race, it's about genetic lineage. The Egregore of a lineage works just like the Egregore of your favorite Mystery School.
Blood is a vitalizing force, right?
>>40764778
You know... the blood of the Lady. You can do this.

>>40764778
Pic related

>>40765263
>>40765301
It's a mystery I will have to work on I guess.

>>40765263
Interesting, I'd love to learn more. Would you suggest reading the Devi Gita as a good starting point into this topic of bloodlines and genetic links or is there another path you'd recommend?

This is a good thread

>>40765738
>topic of bloodlines and genetic links
It depends on your trajectory. It's more like following Shiva to Shakti or vice versa. If you need a Western analogue, it's more like following Apollo-Jesus-Mithras-Odin-Osiris/Horus to Artemis-Mary/Sophia-Anahita-Frigg/Freya-Isis. Anon mentioned Brigid earlier too and I'm pretty fond of her lately too. Personally, Hecate has always been a somewhat muted focus of mine and I'll admit it's something I sort of regret.
If you want a system that plays with muh genetics, you're looking for the Ancestor frame instead of the Deity frame. Again, this only really works if you're apart of that Tree, so keep that in mind.

>>40743660 (OP)
>guy on the bottom
giwtwm

>>40760297
A Jew who may have caused Columbine.

I'm here. AMA

>>40766854

>>40765826
>This only really works if you're apart of that Tree
I imagine studying about each would naturally reveal if I'm part of the tree or not, then? These are all good notes thank you for sharing them with me