Why are there so many psychos who think that the logic "Earth is a school. We are here to learn lessons! Love & Light :)" justifies the suffering?

A lot of mediums, light workers, yoga teachers or spiritual people will be completely fine with that reasoning. They hear that we get ass raped, beaten down, exploited down here to learn lessons and they love it. They accept it.

But even if I knew for a fact that Earth is a school I would never support it. So all these billions of animals and humans who suffered badly... were just puppets for some lesson journey that the soul can jerk itself off to in the afterlife? Look at me, I'm such a wise soul, I reincarnated as a little girl who died from HIV after working in a child brothel, what an amazing lesson! Namaste! Next life will be as a normie working myself to death in Walmart and then dying of Diabetes, let's goooo!

>>40750230 (OP)
Who peed in your Cheerios?
>I hate people who see life as an opportunity to learn
Clearly this place isn’t a school for everyone (you)

>>40750230 (OP)
leave pretty hippie chicks alone

>>40750241
>I hate people who see life as an opportunity to learn

Yes because if it comes at the price of extreme suffering then it's cruel and fucked up.
There isn't even a bigger point to the learning they ever talk about. It's just "to learn lessons" and then they sit in the afterlife with it and there is no higher goal. Nothing achieved. Just more information fed to the machine on literal mountains of blood, bones and crushed dreams.

>>40750245
"pretty" lol
and ugly or average looking ones? typical shallow soul

>>40750251
oh is the baby tired from being human?
welcome to the club motherfucker, learn your lessons and move on to the next step of your soul’s journey. Secretly you love the suffering like the rest of us or you wouldn’t be here. That goes for everyone. We all chose to be here. Man the fuck up

>>40750230 (OP)
There is no nothing and no reason for anything. A reason would imply there is a purpose for any of this and there is not.
They make up cope based on the vibration they are at. If their vibration changed they would make a new more enlightened cope.
The only paths that are true are the ones that embrace the meaninglessness and the absurdity. You should be stat maxxing to minimize pain.

>>40750270
There are no lessons to learn. We are already whole.
>Man the fuck up
So you support child rape? It's what happens on this Earth countless times. You wanted to be in a place where children get raped. Pretty weird thing to say.

>>40750230 (OP)
Earth is a suffering farm for evil aliens. They love the lie that Earth is a school so that way the spiritual community won't act on the horrific truth.

>>40750307
>>40750230 (OP)
you two sound so pathetic. I bet you guys don’t make friends. Not being mean but why would you guys even live? Doesn’t suicide sound appealing to you if you believe it’s all pointless?

>>40750316
don’t feed the aliens and kys. Seriously we don’t need your kind of negativity being passed down genetically.

>>40750326
>I bet you guys don’t make friends.
Do you always measure worth by how much you complied with the collective? Kill yourself npc.

>>40750326
The pathetic psycho is you. As long as YOU get your precious "lesson points" all the suffering is justified. Fuck outta here, demon.

>>40750230 (OP)
Because they are dumb, indoctrinated, and believe in the “inner light” theory that Christianity and Judaism promote. A lot of the new age is basically secularized Judaism

>>40750251
>Yes because if it comes at the price of extreme suffering then it's cruel and fucked up.
>There isn't even a bigger point to the learning they ever talk about. It's just "to learn lessons" and then they sit in the afterlife with it and there is no higher goal. Nothing achieved. Just more information fed to the machine on literal mountains of blood, bones and crushed dreams.
The idea is very comforting to mid wits who fancy themselves philosopher kings because the made their high school honor roll. Just let them be. They're happy to receive a good grade from God.

>>40750310
>There are no lessons to learn. We are already whole
That is a lesson to be learned.
You could have been a child murdering rapist, but you're not. You recognize evil and choose to be good in a seemingly meaningless world.

>>40750383
Yeah.. :(

>>40750387
>You could have been a child murdering rapist, but you're not. You recognize evil and choose to be good in a seemingly meaningless world.

This "self-jerk off lesson" (woow look at me I learned something I AM THE BIG LEARNER) is not chosing good. It is not worth the suffering. If it takes a mountain containing of billions of skulls, crushed dreams, blood for me to learn a lesson I would rather learn nothing at all and just be in the spirit world and relax. It's so selfish and evil.

Abe careful. This is a glow thread operated by jannies who will ban you immediately for arguing
They want you to think life sucks and is pointless

>>40750396
>Yeah.. :(
Push that rock with a smile on your face, laddie.

>>40750326
facts. there’s tons of little bitches crying about “life can’t teach lessons because suffering is mean”
stop whining you lil girls

>>40750412
The only guy I reported is the guy trying to get people to kill themselves. I'm guessing that's you? In that case you're not only a sociopathic piece of shit but also a ban evader. Congrats! And good job jannies.

>>40750412
why do they demoralize us so much?
>durrr life is pointless so give up
>also kys

>>40750428
Your whole thread is trying to get people to believe life is pointless
Fuck you obvious glowfuck
You’re a bitch with the world’s worst job

>>40750422
>there’s tons of little bitches crying about “life can’t teach lessons because suffering is mean”
>stop whining you lil girls
You seem to have lost the plot while posing as an alpha male. What is the point of lesson learning to an eternal entity?

>>40750452
>Your whole thread is trying to get people to believe life is pointless
I never said that. But if we want to break out of this suffering simulation, we can't believe it's for our own good. You're the demonic piece of shit trying to get people to actually kill themselves and telling them to. Fuck outta here.

Lmao this topic is really triggering the demons.

>>40750477
many such cases

Pessimism (the philosophical school) has always been overwhelmingly unpopular and widely lampooned. I've appreciated it since I was first exposed to it (Schopenhauer). It seems like the most fearless, clear eyed kind of analysis to me. Most people hate it and just want you to shut the fuck up. So I do. Everybody is happier for it.

Why are you guys deleting messages that call you out immediately? Why are you demoralizing us like this?

>nigga admits to ban evading
>WHY ARE YOU DELETING MY POSTS???? BTW PLEASE KILL YOURSELF

roflmao at this freak

I used to think like op when I was 15 but then I went through puberty

>>40750518
dude you sound schizo

>>40750518
By the way if you want to see how much he is samefagging just check the archive of the deleted posts: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40750230/

All the posts that have the exact same timestamp are usually the same IP because they get wiped at once like it happened in this thread. It's the little bin symbol next to deleted posts.

>>40750230 (OP)
Cry some more bitch

>>40750530
Ok, demon. Got anything productive to do or do you want to samefag and be an evil piece of trash the whole day?

>>40750532
it's sad but not surprised

"Matter is Lucifer crawling itself back to God"
~William Peter Blatty

Here's the kicker matter=Lucifer =Sophia = you. But the reference frame where this crowling takes place Void (not that pesky demiurge; Vouid is older) has agenda of its own. It wants us out from it's system!
So get with the program and become urban shaman/anarcho primitvist. Ape escape; angel stay.

You glow

>>40750230 (OP)
I think these type of people are better to be around than you r/science types
go back

>>40750270
>We all chose to be here.
Can you elaborate on this? Can you share some details about when YOU chose to be here, and how the choice was present ed to you? Because I can't.

>>40750255
I'm sorry that I can't force myself to find ugly people attractive but that's just the way it is uggos should be with uggos and I'm not ugly

>>40750270
Fuck off no we didn't you have Stockholm syndrome you colossal buffoon

yeah fuck those people who are looking at life like an opportunity to learn

>>40750766
You literally have a detailed life plan that you made if you zoom out all the way to the biggest picture of your life. The universe hides it from you but it doesn't mean it's not there.

>>40750230 (OP)
>earth is school
>everything is one
why are these people so happy and optimistic? I fucking hate happy people

>>40750230 (OP)
They do it because it helps them. They try to get you to do it because they want to help you, even if it's an ill-fit because people tend to be passionate about things they like that have helped them.
You do it too, just in different contexts. Stop searching for reasons to hate everybody at all times or you are going to end up a miserable bastard in a walmart scooter remembering the fond days of being able to see and use your penis.

>>40750885
Wild that we supposedly have detailed life plans that we can't even see.
>Oh boy, I can't wait to spend 47 years living in an apartment working a job that barely pays rent! This is such meaningful and necessary use of my time and energy as a soul because I smiled at someone on the subway or something!
But yes, this grand life plan is surely deliberately hidden from us for reasons and surely not because it doesn't exist and we've been duped.

>>40750230 (OP)
>Why are there so many psychos who think that the logic "Earth is a school.
Because this place is brainwashing place. Basically when baby is born it's innocent, and when it sees how evil this world is (because newborn baby has Third Eye open) it cries, it cries of how people around it (the baby) conform the evil of this world, how people quiet their own soul's screams just so they can get by in a world where there souls are getting harvested by parasites.

Basically, this is a place where humans are both being harvested, and also being corrupted to become "like them" (evil). The movie 1984 gives some idea of it, I don't know if there's something that captures the whole alien aspect of it, but basically there are aliens trying to corrupt human souls so they can be implemented into some hivemind in the future/footsoldiers for their armies or something (mostly orion adjacent group doing it, but this cancer might've started to spread to sirius too, which would explain why galactic federation is ignoring it). It's basically a like the cube in star trek, where they try to turn you into a borg, but they also try to gaslight you into thinking no it's not happening, and also telling other aliens "there's nothing going on here, if there were, it doesn't matter because they agreed to this" like some kind of sick joke. Well It's all bullshit and it will eventually come to light, and that's when the big war will start. The war to put an end to all of evil, permanentally destroy their souls like beerus does.

>>40751316
>The one to destroy evil will be urmah origin god of destruction
Toriyama was killed for this

>>40751274
The hilarious thing is Near Death Experiences actually are like that. LMAO

People will have a life review and it's like "Omg that one time I smiled at the cashier in the grocery store... THAT IS WHAT MATTERED.." god it's so dumb

>>40750230 (OP)
It is not a school. This would imply students are properly resourced for it. There is far too much inequity in the world for this to be a school.

This is not a prison. We would be made clearly aware of our crime to reflect on it.

This is a library.
Its books are consumable and meant to be returned to the land. You are to meditate, create, bond, or rest on what you ate during your 4 hour digestive process/rest.
You are a living encyclopedia.
We are all meant to to return to the land but our sterilized culture prevents this for some reason and entombs, incinerates, or preserves the body so it’s not integrated back into the land.

Much of this worlds books have been destroyed, much of this worlds encyclopedias have been destroyed.
Return to the land.

Heaven is Hell
Hell is Heaven

>>40750230 (OP)
Seems like it, but worshipping Jesus and being ready to be with Him is the goal.

>>40750230 (OP)
>Why are there so many psychos who think that the logic "Earth is a school. We are here to learn lessons! Love & Light :)" justifies the suffering?
You know why

>>40752078
that pic lmao

>>40750230 (OP)
What doesn't make sense to me about it is why we would have to "learn" this stuff if we've already existed forever. Which logically we have.

>>40751316
lmao this makes way less sense than the original idea while also being much more convoluted

>>40750241
he is right you filthy reptile motherfucker, don't you have some loosh to drink, lizard

>>40750230 (OP)
It's just smoke and mirros.

>>40750230 (OP)
who started the whole "earth is a lesson" idea?

>>40752718
Yeah and they dance and form together and make stuff. It's really fucking cool.

>>40750230 (OP)
>Look at me, I'm such a wise soul, I reincarnated as a little girl who died from HIV after working in a child brothel, what an amazing lesson! Namaste! Next life will be as a normie working myself to death in Walmart and then dying of Diabetes, let's goooo!

My favorite thing about problem of evil fags is that they always make their point with the most gratuitous hypothetical sufferings imaginable, as if there’s any degree of earthly suffering that would be relevant on a higher level cosmic scale. To a point, everyone who makes the “if God good why bad thing happen?” argument fails to realize they’re talking about a categorically different tier of existence, where any earthly suffering, no matter how grotesque, is the cosmic equivalent of a five year old skinning their knee on the playground. I don’t even buy the “Earth is a school” bullshit, but I really don’t understand how people are so rooted in selfish immediacy they fail to recognize how insignificant ANY subjective suffering is in objective eternity. Do you get this mad when you die in a video game? Faggot.

>>40753386
gay faggots who deserve to die

>>40751927
hahaha
fucking stupid people being nice to strangers

>>40750230 (OP)
fuck the happy people

>>40751274
It's not really hidden. You're staring at it all the time on the highest level while you live your life on the lowest level. I have seen it.
You feel it when you're trying to push your life in certain directions but you don't know why you're doing that.

>>40754268
Yeah, that's the answer. It took me a while to realize. Even an adult can't remember all the dumb shit he cried about as a kid.

For the record, I don't think Earth is a school, and I don't think hardship builds character or w/e, but whatever is the case, it would be a mistake not to find the lesson in everything that happens to us.

>>40753386
>the most gratuitous hypothetical sufferings imaginable
What's gratuitous about it if it happened to millions of people throughout history? Even 1 person is too much, but this isn't some kind of freak case it happened since the dawn of humanity and it keeps happening TODAY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsn-g4jNpik

>where any earthly suffering, no matter how grotesque, is the cosmic equivalent of a five year old skinning their knee on the playground.

Nice psychopath logic. Oh well, it doesn't really bother or hurt the Higher-Ups, so it doesn't really matter! Saying human suffering is "insignificant" or "just a tiny little scratch" from a cosmic viewpoint doesn't dissolve the problem of evil it actually intensifies it. Because if there is a being (or beings) so vast and so powerful that our agony is like a scraped knee to them... then that being's indifference or allowance of that suffering, becomes even more monstrous, not less.

The fact that we are finite, fragile beings doesn't make our pain less real so what are you even saying? When someone dies in a video game, no one mourns, because no one suffers as far as we're aware. I'd stop playing video games in a HEARTBEAT if I became aware that the beings have souls or I would only play games that are happy and wholesome. I don't care if it was just pixels on a screen in the most simple setting. I would stop.

To brush that off as "immediate selfishness" is an unwillingness to see that if God is real and good, then this world and our pain must matter, and if they don't, the only thing being disproved is the kindness of God or higher beings. The scale of our cosmos doesn't justify evil.

>>40750230 (OP)
It's pretty easy to think that way if you've only seen injustice and suffering on others, never experienced deep injustice and suffering yourself.

>>40755884
So if you have a little daughter and someone kidnaps/tortures her and then throws her body away like a piece of dirt, that would be okay because "in the grand cosmic scale" it's just a scrapped knee. Lol. You people are so weird.

>>40752136
It's based on their playbooks and interpretation of law of one (ra)

>>40755921
Not really, I happen to not be God.

>>40750230 (OP)
In my opinion East Asians traditional beliefs are the truest for a few reasons. Asians understand how nature/reality works which is why even after accepting foreign religions like Buddhism in their cultures they still believe in their own original beliefs like fate which aren't accepted by original Indian Buddhism.
I agree with them that everything is luck/fate and not karma. It's pretty obvious that everything that happens is caused by preexisting conditions that led to those things happening, including our actions. Our lives are domino effects which begin with our birth, but we perceive free will in the present. When I look back at many things I did in the past, I feel surprised that I actually did them. I read someone on 5ch (Japanese site) say the same thing. I also believe in guardian angels because of new age stuff but I think the reality of it is that angels are actually Gods. I read someone on here write that the Archangels are actually Gods in a thread about Asian spiritual beliefs/practices and they mentioned Erlang Shen.
But I grew up in ISKCON and when I stopped worshipping Krishna that's when my life became a living hell and bad circumstances happened to me out of nowhere. I read someone say something similar happened when they ended up "throwing out" a Ganesha statue they had. My father abused and tortured me and my mother. He's like the protagonist of sayonara wo oshiete. But when I stopped worshipping Krishna then tons of bad stuff happened. So I think angels can harm us and do things to us that we don't like.
Taoism is the truest religion because Taoists realized that nature (which is what God actually is) is impartial towards good and evil and made them equal counterparts. This isn't a good thing. But it's the truth. Read the manga "Out" and the Higurashi vns. All we have is our luck/fate and how we deal with it. https://youtube.com/watch?v=7CLltCSDnY0&si=Jjtc7B-73vFGcWR8

>>40750316
/thread

>God gives us free will
>God asks us to turn away from sin and walk a path of righteousness
>Most people refuse and would rather be sinful
>Their sin makes other people miserable
>People die and end up being destroyed by their sin or gaining life through the grace of God
Blame people not the universe.

>>40756134
>angels are Gods
Yeah you're gonna stay here for a little bit longer

>>40756193
The world is full of suffering without people so whatever you're saying makes no sense. Nature itself is riddled with shit like brain parasites, rape, disaster, bizarre diseases and a constant cycle of predators ripping open other animals.

>>40756105
>I happen to not be God.
But you accept the answer of God just not giving a shit because "our suffering is irrelevant on a cosmic scale" and find that satisfying?

>>40756195
It makes sense since there is the dichotomy of angels vs demons and Gods vs demons. And nature is what God or The Universe actually is. You'll probably stay here a while longer too until you develop better pattern recognition.

>>40750230 (OP)
It's a coping mechanism they use to justify the malicious deeds that were and are being done to them.
Stockholm syndrome, as it were.
For all the times they claim we chose everything before we were born and have soul contracts to fulfill like slaves (which they don't realise because they're retarded by consuming too much new age material), you'll never hear them say to a rape victim that the victim chose to get raped before she was born.
Instinctively they know that's evil, but they're trapped in their minds and at the same time as they're trapped, they fail to comprehend what they're hearing and reading.
Big part of the problem is that they just ask spirit things. No banishment of malicious entities, no channeling through God the benevolent, no channeling of God at all even.
It's no fucking wonder they have to blaze sage after every single fucking read they do. They're asking negatives and regressive demons their questions and can't feel it, possibly because they haven't healed their trauma at all and are just coping with it.

>>40756292
>It's a coping mechanism they use to justify the malicious deeds that were and are being done to them.
>Stockholm syndrome, as it were.
true

>>40755915
>>40755921
>What's gratuitous about it?
I’m talking about the rhetorical gratuitousness of posters who, excessively attached to their subjective experience, come up with a particularly lurid example of Earthly suffering - child rape, etc etc - and fling it at the thread as if the person they’re arguing with has never heard of “child rape” before and that’s going to win them the argument. (See >>40755921 for a fresh specimen). You fail to understand that what you’re really saying here is: “Wahhh! I’ve fallen for the trick! I am hopelessly ensnared!” That’s understandable; it’s a very convincing trick and that’s why we have the story of Jesus crying in the garden: Material suffering seems awfully serious when you’re a material being. But no example of suffering a human mind is capable of conceptualizing - your raped daughters, child slaves, genocide victims etc - will be free from that inherent bias of subjectivity, or, ultimately, something that “matters” at the marcoscopic scale.

>>40756522
>>40755915
>>40755921
>Oh well, it doesn't really bother or hurt the Higher-Ups, so it doesn't really matter!
>Saying human suffering is "insignificant" or "just a tiny little scratch" from a cosmic viewpoint doesn't dissolve the problem of evil

We’re not talking about the “higher-ups,” if there are any. I’m talking about YOU, retard, and your hylic insistence on trying to reconcile numinous eternity with an egoic perspective.

I’m not saying “your suffering doesn’t matter to God because he’s really old,” I’m saying “Your suffering only matters to the extent you believe there’s a self that suffers.” Which, sure, is a totally valid stance to have if we’re approaching this from a material, atheistic perspective, but this is a thread about metaphysics, (even if it’s New Age bunk metaphysics,) from which perspective the worst tortures on earth are no more real, ontologically, than a nightmare.

This is the opposite of nihilism, though if you’re still locked into the egoic perspective you’ll likely think I’m talking nihilism here, and I’m really not. I’m trying to tell you that you’re basically watching a puppet show and crying because it’s too scary, while simultaneously autistically screeching at anyone who tries to make you feel better by pointing out the strings.

> I'd stop playing video games in a HEARTBEAT if I became aware that the beings have souls or I would only play games that are happy and wholesome

Bad news here buddy.

>>40756522
>I’m talking about the rhetorical gratuitousness of posters who, excessively attached to their subjective experience, come up with a particularly lurid example of Earthly suffering

And why wouldn't we use "lurid" examples if they are very real and happened countless times? What argument exists to only use lukewarm examples? Why not talk about the most horrific things that happened and still happen to give them justice?

> I’ve fallen for the trick! I am hopelessly ensnared

I don't think you understand this thread. The very point I made is that I don't care if this is a "school" or "videogame" it changes absolutely NOTHING about how cruel and evil the things that happen here are. Actually, it makes it worse. If this was just a natural world with no Gods, no creator, no control then you can't blame anyone. But under the aspect that there are beings who can create whole worlds, simulation, "video games" it makes everything much more fucked up.

>Material suffering seems awfully serious when you’re a material being

"Guys, pain doesn't matter cause this is actually just a big video game and once you're with God again you see how irrelevant this is, tee-hee!"

???

Lmao

>>40756537
>I’m talking about YOU, retard, and your hylic insistence on trying to reconcile numinous eternity with an egoic perspective.

Higher Self wants something = not egoic
Human Self wants something = uhh egoic! Hylic! pleb!

Makes sense.

Anyway, the idea that we have a Higher Self who uses us a a video game character or marionette to jerk itself off to whatever purpose it has in mind literally makes nothing better. It again just makes life more fucked up.

Oh you had a really bad life? You wanted this haha :-D It's just a game! It doesn't matter!
Man, what fun! Being used and brushed off by "yourself" and then discarded. Truly not evil or insane.

>Bad news here buddy.

I've never come across any kind of "evidence" be it astral travel, near death experiences, mediums or religions that would indicate that the pixels in my video games are suffering. If I knew, I would as the creator of the game make sure no one has to suffer for my entertainment.

>>40756537
Also what you're saying isn't supported by Near Death experiences either. A lot of them make a point how even spirits/souls notice how difficult and dark Earth is and they compliment people for enduring it. Often souls have to be healed and recovered again from the inflicted pressure and pain or heavily protest having to go down again because even OUT OF THEIR BODY they realize how awful it felt.

>>40756637
Have you ever experienced any of these things first-hand? Not a bait question, I'm genuinely curious.

>>40756683
I have not experienced "extreme trauma" first-hand. Just painful things and bad things. But unless I'm going to pretend that people around me or that I can witness are NPCs with no soul and no feelings it doesn't matter because they have.

>>40756616
>What argument exists to only use lukewarm examples?
My point is that they're all lukewarm examples. The most insane and debauched sufferings imaginable to a human mind would seem pretty lukewarm to any being you would call "God."
Are you particularly troubled by the endless wars being fought between bacterial colonies in your own gut?

>>40756733
>The most insane and debauched sufferings imaginable to a human mind would seem pretty lukewarm to any being you would call "God."

And I think that us being irrelevant, fragile experiences or beings doesn't make our pain less real. And that saying human suffering is "insignificant" or "just a tiny little scratch" from a cosmic viewpoint doesn't dissolve the problem of evil it actually intensifies it. Because if there is a being (or beings) so vast and so powerful that our agony is like a scraped knee to them... then that being's indifference or allowance of that suffering, becomes even more monstrous, not less.

>Are you particularly troubled by the endless wars being fought between bacterial colonies in your own gut?

I would be troubled if I was aware of it, understood their ability to suffer and had the ability to stop it as a divine creator. Yes.
If I was God I would give all of my children (souls) the ability to be completely at peace and in bliss/love/happiness at all times as long as they don't violate the free will of another soul. I would not force or design worlds, simulations or places where suffering of "real beings" exists for my own entertainment or desires.

>>40756134
>I agree with them that everything is luck/fate and not karma.
>It's pretty obvious that everything that happens is caused by preexisting conditions that led to those things happening, including our actions.
nigga that's literally karma you're describing lmao. you're being contradictory

>>40756750
>>40756697
Yeah, I don't really like NPC discourse. I like the word "hylic" as a stand-in for "deeply entangled in identification with the self," but I don't mean it in the soulless husk sense. I think the people most would call "Soulless NPCs" - the kind of people you see on the bus, dead behind the eyes, numbly scrolling through instagram reels - still have an innate divinity, it's just been smothered by the incredible weight of suffering inherent to identifying with only their own subjective experiences. Suffering exists.
I'm not trying to invalidate your own suffering or anyone else's. In fact, I’m hypocritically and neurotically obsessed with my own suffering a solid 75% of the time. But I’ve been lucky enough, through regular prayer and meditation as well as the crucible of immense trauma and despair, to have once or twice in my life experienced real moments of ecstatic unification with the divine. When that happens, even briefly, you are forced to understand yourself as a microscopic node in something perfect and whole. It’s difficult to describe, and language makes it smaller, but the experience is real. Our sufferings are real! But they are also very small. The same goes for our ecstacies. Somewhere in the world a child is dying of cholera, somewhere else a father is holding his baby for the first time, you’re sitting at your computer talking to me and a million cats are sleeping in a million little patches of sunlight, thinking about nothing. We all came from dust and are going back to dust, but in the meantime, you’re here.
>If I was God I would give all of my children (souls) the ability to be completely at peace and in bliss/love/happiness at all times as
And never get bored in a billion lifetimes?

>>40750230 (OP)
>Why are there so many psychos who think that the logic "Earth is a school. We are here to learn lessons! Love & Light :)" justifies the suffering?
Because they grew up in an education system that treated students like prisoners and learning like a job.
>But even if I knew for a fact that Earth is a school I would never support it.
You would. From a detached aesthetic view, rape, murder, and all terrible things are popular and beautiful materials. Guts wouldn't be the story it is without the darker themes. If you have a higher self who has lived for 100s of thousands of years, the life you live now is nothing more than play. A work of fiction. Something to pass the time. Further, such paranormal people are usually able to look beyond what seems natural.

>>40750230 (OP)
The journey is millions and millions of years. All those animals are what you once were, and will be something on the level of human in the future long after you have transcended this realm.

>>40756637
>Anyway, the idea that we have a Higher Self who uses us a a video game character or marionette to jerk itself off to whatever purpose it has in mind literally makes nothing better. It again just makes life more fucked up.
The higher self is YOU. You make choices and suffer the consequences thereof, in order to develop your consciousness and wisdom over millions of years unto you reach a point at which you make choices that lead to eternal life and happiness, and don't cause yourself or any others any suffering. Get the thought out of your head that the higher self is any less retarded than you are, because you are the same entity. The whole point of learning, is so you can be less retarded than a dumb ape, and maybe one day be capable of comprehending and mastering existence.

>>40756829
I meant that it seems like many of our actions are controlled by conditions that led to us taking those actions. I still think we have free choice and some control though

>>40750270
Your philosophy is just reification of human suffering that only exists due to the economic and political systems we're all forced into. Nobody has to be miserable because of vague supernatural forces, it's because of other human beings. We've technically been post-scarcity since the 1800s, there is enough food being produced on this planet to feed everyone even if they go back for seconds. For every homeless person there are 28 houses not currently being lived in. Deep down everyone knows that the system we have now is deeply flawed. At the end of the day Anarchists have the right of it, all hierarchy inevitably leads to Epstein island level bullshit.

>>40750230 (OP)
Op, you really taught me something in your post. Thank you. I am always looking to learn something new and you delivered that knowledge for the day. Namaste.

>>40750326
Suicide is pointless.

>>40750230 (OP)
cringe post

>>40757520
What did you learn

It's not so much a school as it is a video game.
"Oh no my character is getting tortured to death!" It's just a character.
As for the love and light guys, it's simple - fortunate souls are also fortunate with spiritual growth. Most wise people got where they got because they were born fortunate enough to become wise. Therefore, they speak from the perspective of fortunate people as well, not just wise people. In their case, they were fortunate enough to be able to convert their pain to wisdom. Those who fail die in obscurity and never become gurus.

>>40756918
>When that happens, even briefly, you are forced to understand yourself as a microscopic node in something perfect and whole.

I'm glad it works for you but that only makes the whole thing more absurd and cruel to me. Just being reduced to "a little microscopic thing" that doesn't really matter. It's like being a poor worker contributing to a billionaire's glory while the billionaire doesn't give a fuck what is going on with your life because it is so tiny compared to what he's working on.

>And never get bored in a billion lifetimes?

Why would you get bored? That's a human flaw. If someone had the powers of a God, they could just decide to remove boredom out of the equation.

>>40757045
>The higher self is YOU.

Disagree. My definition of "me" is consciousness combined with my personality, moral views and desires. I would NEVER agree to this especially not for some shit reasons like learning or boredom. It goes completely against my views. It's tyrannical.

So my higher Self can't be exactly like me, we might be connected, but we aren't identical.

>>40758195
>"Oh no my character is getting tortured to death!" It's just a character.

Extremely sociopathic view.

>>40750230 (OP)
school = prison
;)

>>40759197
You only think that because our schools are based on the Prussian educational model designed for making obedient soldiers, not because "school=prison" is an occult law of the universe. A better life is possible on this planet if we all struggle for it, we don't have to be resigned to a miserable existence just because of an oppressive ruling class brainwashing us into thinking that life is all shit, piss, and misery.

>>40750270
>We all chose to be here.
proof for this?

>>40750230 (OP)
Spiritual mambo jambo is crafted to the tastes of people who want a supernatural system that provides them with multiple kinds of wish fulfillment. From a cosmology that conveniently supports everything they believe in and encourages their every desire, to literal wish fulfillment in the sense of mantras and rituals to make them happier, healthier, wealthier, more desired or whatever they'd like.
But life is shit. Your desires aren't always fulfilled, your dreams are crushed at times, you suffer unrecoverable losses, you undergo injustice and see it happen around you. That's where the main question arises. Why? "Why must we suffer?" inevitably becomes the central question to any religion (or whacky cults that can't even be called that) because of how proeminent and shocking suffering is. Buddhists will tell you something about desire and attachment. Gnostics will say this world was created by the Demiurge. Jews will comment on the Yetzer Hara. Christians will (correctly) tell you about original sin. Regardless of which belief system you follow, it is obvious that all of these are respectable in the sense that their answers to the problem of evil have weight and real consequences. Christians and Jews, each in their own way, must fight against temptation and the human inclination towards evil. Buddhists must be free of desire and have their minds and senses purified. Gnostics conclude that the only way to win is to not play the game. And in all of these cases, there is an agreement that we cannot be hedonistic animals expecting every whim and craving of ours to be fulfilled. On the contrary, such desires can obstacles on the path to salvation.
Sounds a bit grim, doesn't it? To let go of worldly desires? Well, there's also your local yoga universe spirit harmony guru who throws that out of the window and just says you're learning and growing spiritually. There's no responsibility on you, no pressure to make you question yourself and change.

>>40760108
tl;dr Karen isn't suffering because she's destroying her soul by being vain, promiscuous and obsessed with money. She doesn'r have to change or give up her beliefs. She's suffering to ~evolve spiritually~

>>40758420
>I would NEVER agree to this especially not for some shit reasons like learning or boredom.
Its not a matter of agreement or disagreement. Its a matter of whether or not you absent any brain and bodily consciousnesses is more aware of yourself and your actions than a rock tumbling down a mountain. The nonphysical self is very resilient, but it has some severe limitations, which it attempts to overcome by engraining the attributes of intelligent life into its patterns of energy and awareness, by taking over physical bodies and using them as vessels to grow its own awareness and consciousness.
You say you didn't agree to this, that is simply an indication that you aren't aware of your own spiritual existence to a sufficent level to even make a conscious choice. You claim not to be that, but that too also indicates that you aren't developed enough to even be conscious of your existence on that level.
Ill tell you the short and easy way is love, which creates awareness of the metaphysical self. The short and difficult way is pain, because extreme suffering also causes a sharp rise in your awareness of the metaphysical self.
The long and easy way is to be a tree, but its very very long. The long and hard way is to be an animal, slowly growing through experience, but incapable of introspection and analysis of its own existence from an abstract point of view.
I say this, because the awareness of myself I very slowly uncovered, indicates hundreds of millions of years of physical evolution, to get to this state. The part of myself which can engage itself in a nonphysical state of awareness is very simple in many ways, its very fast, very light, very quick to shift from one thing to the next, and very go with the flow. There isn't much thought in it, its all directed awareness. It takes a lot of meditation and dedication to develop the skill needed to direct this part of me. The spiritual self, is in many ways more like an animal than a man.

please dont cuck me down cause im flyin im higher

>>40756134
will is a paradox, so freedom

>>40760108
The first sentence alone isn't even true, spirituality doesn't arise in people from a desire for wish fulfillment and happiness, that's just an interpretation of spirituality made by some people usually for the purpose of manipulating and controlling those that don't know any better.
There is genuine magic out there, the issue is that our modern lifestyles make it nearly impossible for people to tap into that knowledge. Instead of having the time to go talk with the local water spirit by the river, shapeshifting into a bird and flying through the air, having REAL darkness and magic in our lives that regulate our nervous systems, we're stuck in the rat race 24/7 in completely unnatural hierarchies and jobs that make us unhealthy and mentally ill. There's a reason why hallucinogenic mushrooms are a good treatment for depression.
I'm not saying going back to monke is the way forward, the advances in technology and medicine we've made has been absolutely amazing and some of it is even better than the old magic technologies of the ancient past. What I'm saying is that the idea that "life is suffering and temptation and it's hell here" is not because of some demiurge, it's because of the actions of our fellow humans and we can do better as a species. Sorry if some of that was nonsensical.

>>40760169
Anon I'm not trying to be mean but what you've said just indicates to me you have no real knowledge of any type regarding spirituality. You've just made some changes to your worldly behavior and think that means you've gained knowledge but you're just like the rest of us.

>>40759484
Take what I'm about to say or leave it, it's all the same. We did choose to be here, but not in the way that anon thinks. We're not here to learn lessons as far as I know, we took a birth here because we got too interested/curious about the human world as spirits and trapped ourselves. Our "purpose" here is to enhance our own energy through living life.

>>40759197
FPBP

>>40759360
>A better life is possible on this planet if we all struggle for it
Is it though? Has this particular planet ever had good period? Or has it always been shitty in here?

>>40759484
The prison warden said that we chose to be here. It's up to you if you choose to take his word or not

>>40760169
>You say you didn't agree to this, that is simply an indication that you aren't aware of your own spiritual existence to a sufficent level to even make a conscious choice. You claim not to be that, but that too also indicates that you aren't developed enough to even be conscious of your existence on that level.

I just told you my definition of what is "me" and if my other part is completely different or alien with views that clash with mine I do not think it is the same as my human me. I think the human me should have a right to freedom, independence and not be absorbed into some alien-super-developed-Higher self who just does whatever it wants.

Suffering is the way to God.

>The whole earth, perpetually steeped in blood, is nothing but a vast altar upon which all that is living must be sacrificed without end, without measure, without pause, until the consummation of things, until evil is extinct, until the death of death.

You exist in occupied territory by interstellar hostile forces. The universe itself is a testing ground for the completion of ultimate reality and the removal of suffering. Sometimes bad shit is allowed to take place to learn from it so that the cosmic forces that be can learn from both the victim and victimizer, as well as whatever justice or lack thereof may follow. It's war, OP. You're caught in the middle of a war. Never trust a jew. Look into what they do and how they view non-jews. Make the Saturn and Moon connection.

You're "learning" how to fight back. We're not supposed to be alone in the universe and never were.

>>40750230 (OP)
>>40750230 (OP)
nonduelism -- there is only existence not suffering or not suffering
Anyway, that's what the point is: that there's a false dichotomy

>>40763157
nice try at jewish universalism

>>40750230 (OP)
It's like the anime, Prison School

>>40750316
Oh that's great man I'm glad you figured that out, so what now?
Whats that? We just blow our brains out?
Every Time

>>40750230 (OP)
Wahhhhhh waaaahhhhhhhh wwwwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhh waaaaahhhhhhhhhh wwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Better luck next time

>>40764313
>I'm a psychopathic cunt!
Yeah, we know.

>>40764191
What happens at the end?

>>40751240
This. It's a belief that helps some people cope, like "Everything happens for a reason." If it doesn't feel good for you, you don't have to believe it, because it's probably not true anyway.

I kind of like the idea myself because it makes me feel more in control. Maybe the bad things that happen to me are things I chose for my own good and forgot about instead of just being entirely random and unfair. It's nice to think about once in a while in cases that it helps, but again, I doubt it's literally true.

>>40765074
>I kind of like the idea myself because it makes me feel more in control.
Agreed, that's really all it is and I don't see a reason to pull someone's hands off a steering wheel even if the hands aren't always at 10 and 2 lol

>>40765074
Does it really help you relax knowing that your soul is a psycho willing for everyone to suffer as long as it can get some "school" points? Instead of just chilling in the afterlife bliss.

>>40750230 (OP)
they become allies with the prison

>>40756522
You're experiencing first hand the reasoning our enlightened forebear kept these more advanced concepts (inner workings of karma and it's relationship to one's spiritual nature) a secret.

There are really experiences and development that need to be acquired before one can understand this. Otherwise they just hurl taboo's around as some kind of gotcha. And the kicker is once the experiences and view is cultivated you don't need to talk about it because you live it.

and Im speaking as someone who was drugged and raped as a child.. AND... has a dedicated internal cultivation measure in decades.

I don't lament my history, because I am upright in my embodiment of life in this moment.

OP is not even happy where they stand. and the universe respects their free will to kick and stomp until they decide to change and evolve. this is the way.

>>40765124
Not a psycho, but that they have knowledge and wisdom beyond what I have.
It's like taking an animal to the vet. It causes them suffering, but they would be relieved if they had the intelligence to know that the owner is doing it due to love and understanding things the animal doesn't.

>>40750230 (OP)
Feeta

>>40766632
>>40766608

>>40766632
A vet visit is about survival... preserving the health of your pet that you love and preventing suffering from escalating. So it's rooted in necessity. But the idea of souls reincarnating into human lives just to "learn" or for personal desires? That's not about survival. It's just curiosity, entertainment and self-gratification. It is not even remotely comparable.

From everything I've read or encountered (mediumship, near death experiences, astral travels )... reincarnation is rarely framed as a cosmic necessity or something essential to preserve existence. It is almost always portrayed as something souls choose to do because they just want to.

"Ohhh it's fun!"
"Ohhh then I have more knowledge! :D" (to do what exactly? no one answers that? what is the end goal? after 10000000000000000000000 reincarnations you do what with all that mighty knowledge in heaven a place already described as perfect?)

And yeah under that framework it is hard not to view it as deeply psychopathic. The unimaginable suffering, the shattered dreams and despair experienced by billions since the dawn of sentient is all deemed acceptable as long as these higher entities get what they're after. It's as if human (or animal) lives are just tools or simulations. How compassionate!

>>40750230 (OP)
>even if I knew for a fact that Earth is a school I would never support it

a noble decision.
hermeticism is a plague. Hegel is a bane on mankind.
You're not alone with this conclusion, and it is a matter of great and profound consequence - here and in other worlds.

>>40768435
What do you think is going on and what is the solution?

>>40750230 (OP)
These people have never suffered in their lives and so they never learned real empathy. The suffering of others is trivial to them.

>>40769245
>These people have never suffered in their lives and so they never learned real empathy. The suffering of others is trivial to them.
t. psychopath

>>40750230 (OP)
cause they are nerds who got stuck in the tutorial, Earth is just Eris is just Discordia is why everyone wants to be a silent protagonist who just observes and no one wants to flip out and kill people, that's all.

>>40750230 (OP)
The "lesson" to be learned is that we need to kill all oligarchs, politicians, and priests.
Tear down the pyramid schemes.

god is reading this thread
he he

>>40768355
Where's this from?