I saw another circumcision thread here, I know why they do it, and the history behind it, so I’m making this thread to explain everything.

This is going to be one long post, but if you want the story, it’ll be here. No trolling, but it will be long, maybe half an hour or more to post it all.

In the late 1800s there was a woman named Ellen White, who considered herself a prophet, she started a religion called seventh day adventism. Ellen had an obsession with a new age teaching called vital force theory, it taught that people were born with a limited amount of life energy, and when it was quickly expended it lead to sickness, and when it ran empty the individual would die, and there was no way to add more vital force to a person once they were born. Sexual practices such as masterbation would expend the vital force relatively quickly. People tend to credit Hans Selye for creating this concept, but it was popular across many different schools of thought, and it may not be possible to find a single source for this idea. Perhaps the creator came before Hans, who knows.

In those days we did not have modern hospitals, instead what we had were called sanitariums, which focused on mental and behavioral health, but the line between it and physical health wasn’t so clear. Ellen early on saw a personal strategy to victory by forcing adherents to give her money, which were used to open sanitariums and universities to train doctors for free, so long as they worked for seventh day adventism after graduation. In her mind medical and academic success would legitimize seventh day adventism as a religion.

Over time Ellen changed in stance and became more concerned with finding ways to control people, then to actually preserve this vital force. The sanitariums and the total lack for need of evidence of a crime or wrong doing for internment, a rumor or simply having a relative be willing to sign someone over without reason or cause was enough for imprisonment, combined with the complete and total lack of personal rights or legal protection for sanitarium patients was enough to allow Ellen and her horde of doctors to perform every imaginable horror on unwilling patients. What they discovered was by amputating parts of genitalia from men and woman, the victim would become depressed and suicidal, meaning easier to control due to apathy or otherwise lack of personal motivation, but would be able to behave normally under most circumstances, unlike lobotomization by surgery, chemical, electricity, or a number of other ways they found, or by means of other horrible procedures, such as having internal organs removed or rearranged. Amputation of genitalia was also easily justified by calling it circumcision and taking advantage of the fact the average non Jew of the era had no idea what old testament circumcision was. This was desirable as other experiments, such as using sensory deprivation combined with the rape of patients by doctors was considered a horrifying crime by those outside of seventh day adventism. In the private writings of Ellen and her doctors, it was written that they found the amputation of foreskin caused masterbation and sex itself to become painful, in fact they used the word excruciating specifically, that it created a lifelong wound which could not be healed from and would a constant source of misery, even when the patient was unaware the amputation was the source of torment. Ellen was said to have derived great joy from causing this pain, possibly even sexual gratification.

Old testament circumcision was completely different, it was done by making a small scar across the top of the foreskin, and we can tell by the circumcision on the son of Moses. Exodus 4:25 the wife of Moses, Zipporah, performs a circumcision using a stone. A stone knife will quickly blunt, long before it can perform the amputation of a foreskin. Further the word used to describe the cutting, וַתִּכְרֹת֙ , doesn’t necessarily mean amputation, but can be translated as a cut without amputation. Bible translators think of it as amputate due to the English speaking world’s unfamiliarity with the act of circumcision until fairly recently, and now in modern days people don’t know what circumcision is.

Later the old testament does record circumcision as an act of amputation, Saul demands David bring him foreskins from Saul’s enemies. This however should be taken in to context, the royalty was shown to be a bizarre people, comparable to Epstein and the modern elite. Saul consulted with witches, attempted to use his daughter’s sexuality for personal advantage, David had a homosexual relationship with Saul’s son, David murdered a man in order to hide the sexual use of his wife, and in old age David married a child. We were never meant to look at old testament royalty as a model for spiritual success, these were horrible people who did horrible things without remorse.

I just want my foreskin back

In fact through history, until the 1900s, the amputation of foreskin was exceedingly rare, and only done by invaders who had conquered a people entirely, but wanted to avoid genocide for whatever reason. It probably took place less then two dozen times.

Before I go on to why it is done now, let’s focus on the practice of circumcision two thousand years, because many historians and bible scholars agree this is when amputation of foreskin originated, if it did not begin with Abraham.

What I want to bring up specifically, because arguing with all of their talking points would take years and volumes of writing, the methods the Jew of the time would use to hide or reverse circumcision. The Jews wanted to do this because public nudity was a very normal action in life, and the circumcision would cause social issues. Being uncircumcised would have allowed the Jew to avoid extra taxes placed on Jews, and even regulations restricting what a Jew was allowed or not allowed to do, and if for no other reason, it allowed the Jew to avoid social rejection. It was not enough to have something that could be called a foreskin, but it needed to appear totally natural to scrutinizing individuals who were looking for Jews to victimize. Men who were accused of being Jews would be stripped naked in court, this is how far the scrutiny went, proving how deep the need for a naturally appearing foreskin was.

To list two of the most well known means of circumcision reversal in the modern world. First there was a cup or sheathe, there were several different types for those curious one was called Pondus Judaeus, that was worn on the head of the penis to stretch the skin of the penis over its head. It did not work by permanently stretching the skin, but only by holding it in place. If any of these devices are used on a modern circumcision it will be immediately obvious it is unnatural.

There were also methods of attaching certain weights to the skin of the penis which would permanently stretch it.

Modern people have tried these methods, specifically using weights to pull the skin of the shaft of the penis down until it stretches, but the result is obviously unnatural. The Jew of that time would have rejected its use if they had the same results, the reason being the Jew needed a natural appearing foreskin.

As we can see, the circumcision of two thousand years ago could not involve amputation, but was an act of scarification. If this is not enough, then to make it completely clear, both archeologists and historians have uncovered a wealth of devices and descriptions of devices and methods to either temporarily hide or permanently reverse a circumcision, all of which seemed to have worked in producing a natural appearing foreskin, justifying their popularity and continued use over centuries, but no one has ever seen a circumcised penis from this time, and none of these devices or methods would work on a modern circumcision. These things did however work then because it would pull the scarification under the unamputated foreskin, next to the head of the penis.

Back to the modern era, the state of California had a program called “social hygiene”. It’s aim was to create a perfect population through genetic engineering. Some of the things they did was forbid marriage unless two people obtained a license to marry from the state, which meant going through rigorous medical testing for health and racial purity. In 1909 a law was passed which mandated eugenics, but also included euthanization of people deemed undesirable, cripples, the racially mixed, the deformed but otherwise healthy, so on, would be murdered at birth, and in some cases in adulthood. California spent so much time and money and manpower perfecting the practice, when Hitler rose to power he sent a team of scientists to study the social hygiene program of California, and when they returned it was not only the beginning of Nazi eugenics and euthanization practices, but it was all the Nazi had for a long time, because they could not find a better way to do it.

Why I bring this up, the state of California adopted Ellen’s circumcision on individuals who were grown adults and could not be euthanized, some times people just had a little problem, enough to be a target, but small enough that the general populace would not accept euthanization by the state, other times people would become celebrity causes in the population’s desire to save them.

In the 1940s and 1950s the American population experienced a growth, and the government saw this as problematic, specifically the growth of black and native populations. They sent researchers out to find ways to stop the growth of these two demographics, and eventually the researchers found out about the California social hygiene program, interestingly there is evidence the federal government had been mostly unaware of it, not out of inability to see it, but apathy or maybe even incompetence, but more then likely apathy. The researchers came back with an interesting finding, the amputation of foreskin causes fertility to drop to less then %40 compared to an individual with an unamputated foreskin, sometimes much lower, as in less then %10. The American government instituted this by building or funding doctor’s offices in black neighborhoods and on Indian reservations, then instructing doctors to perform this amputation on infants at birth, then whoever they could get their hands on, anyone who was sedated for surgery would receive it, or anyone who was unconscious from sickness or injury. Early on Ellen’s circumcision was done to both men and women, but there was heavy push back because biblically women were not circumcised and the government could not justify it by calling it circumcision. The government decided the drop in fertility in men was enough to curtail populations and the mixed child would be dealt in other ways, such as a complete stripping of civil and human rights, however women were in certain situations routinely forced to receive genital amputation until the 1960s.

Beginning in the 1960s, the government instituted Ellen’s circumcision on orphans, both newborn and those placed in orphanages at a later age, it was also practiced in jails on anyone under the age of 18. This was done regardless of race. Later in the 1960s and 1970s this was expanded to anybody non white, and poor white people, only the white people not in poverty were encouraged to avoid Ellen’s circumcision, until the 1980s when it was expanded to include everyone.

You may be wondering how the government encouraged people to do this, which is good. Universities were told to teach these things, churches and big names in them were also instructed, celebrities and media producers were given directives, and anybody who could not be given an order was influenced in some way. Through grants and tax breaks, receiving educational material, there are many ways shape a person’s opinion. It was a massive propaganda campaign the average American is incapable of understanding or accepting, the idea it could even happen is too much.

I’m going to check on this thread through the night and answer any questions I can, my replies will be slow at times because I’m a little busy.

Interesting thread. Bumpin. The world needs more effortposters.

Bump

“Yeah I’d like to have the tip of my son’s dick cut off so that society and my religion accepts me.” That’s not what they think, they DONT THINK at all. They just go along to get along and guys get mutilated in their most vulnerable state. The fact that this happens and goes under the radar makes it seem like people are no better than cattle…

I’m so blessed to have my hood. My condolences to yall who got snipped by the j

good post bruv. in modernity, it's upheld for three reasons. first, it's another thing that doctors can add to the birth bill. second, it traumatizes the first and second chakras providing early and easy attachment points for demons (cut within hours of birth rather than the 8th day). and third, its a mark of submission to jooz. this wound makes it almost impossible for american males to think of jews as anything other than the chosen people and themselves as coattail riders. lest they entertain the painful alternative truth that they christians are the true chosen who have been mutilated and brought to heel by satan in their ignorance.

Be god
Create man in your perfect divine image
Declare your work very good
1500 years later
Go into a murderous rage men have their foreskin intact

Make it make sense


>>40760392
They also sell the foreskin for $$$$ to be used in stem cell and skin care products

Absolutely evil industry

>>40759928
Hospital employees that circumcise infants should have the consciousness drilled out of their skulls.

>>40760212
my father said "well it was done to me so i figured i would do it to you." whites are very trusting, and jews are very cunning. i do see why they call us cattle. but we were made to be frolicking in the garden, not warring against blood drinking child murdering manipulative evil shapeshifters. boomers simply can't fathom the severity of the circumstances.

>>40760256
thank you. i wish i had mine back very often and i hate when euros laugh about it.

>>40760497
true yeah its a valuable product as well.

i do struggle with the portrayal of god in the old testament. animal sacrifices, cutting baby dicks, getting a guy to sacrifice his son just to make sure he would do it, hardening the pharaoh's heart and punishing egypt for it. contrast that with the beauty and perfection of jesus christ. i don't understand it frankly, it seems that the old testament god was not the true god. but the way jesus makes jews seethe tells me (among many other reasons) he is undoubtedly from the source of all goodness

>>40759869 (OP)
I'm sorry but this is all wrong. Biblical circumcision was not much better than modern and it was not just a "small prick" they cut the foreskin open instead of off. Female circumcision is not mentioned in the bible either but females in Christian and Muslim countries got their clits cut off. Plenty of cultures with 0 contact with Christian countries like Australia practiced even worse forms of genital mutilation like subincision where the penis completely split open to expose the urethra and resemble a bleeding vulva, which is the actual psychogenic origin of circumcision (Jews do it to make men resemble women too). Modern circumcision is not a modern invention at all and genital mutilation has been a constant throughout disconnected societies.

>>40759905
I had mine done at adulthood because of phimosis. Was quite scary but turned out to be a really good decision. Hygiene is a lot better and haven't noticed any loss of sensation. Only downside is that I need a lubricant to masturbate. That being said I don't condone or understand the practice of mutilating newborns in the US.

>>40760619
I would be more open minded to this opinion, but if pre modern circumcision involved amputation, the methods and devices used in the ancient world would not and could not work in temporarily or permanently reversing circumcision.

>>40760619
Why should I believe you

>>40760646
I don’t know what to say to you, but John Harvey Kellogg was Ellen White’s number one henchman for years, and he wrote a lot about circumcision and its use in eugenics.

>>40762022
Kellogg the older was a character, never had sex in his life. Ellen White (who you forgot to mention was a massive plagiarist) had him disfellowshiped because he was gaining too much influence. Maryland also sued him for libel because he just kept writing such awful things about clams.

>>40759967
never once thought i'd say "based" on this topic, but... based.

>>40759888
holy checked

>>40764548
as you can see from the nazi response, these programmed ideological puppets hardly change over the course of centuries. california remained a eugenic/mind-control experiment zone until the late '80s at least, read brice taylor. basically nobody knows what reagan really was it's pretty wild

>>40759888
>but it was popular across many different schools of thought
for those who dont know, a similar idea appears in taoism with "jing"
you are born with a certain amount of pre-heaven jing, that cant be added to, and when it runs out, you die
you can accumulate post-heaven energy, and you can slow aging, but you cant fully reverse it
its why there's a lot of semen retention/multi-orgasmic/orgasm without ejaculation that comes out of the taoist stuff (most famously mantak chia who unfortunately caused a lot of people to fuck up their energetic systems)

>>40759869 (OP)
Wood knot.