Why is weed illegal in most countries?

>>40770108 (OP)
lobbying by alcohol industry
or government that wants to appeal to virtue

also not paranormal, fuck off

>>40770131
Alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical industry all hate weed cause it's easy as fuck and cheap to grow and can contest the other 3 and give them a run for their money.

>>40770108 (OP)
modern doctors are not shamans and should not be prescribing ANYONE a psychactive drug
https://www.brighteon.com/a267bc0b-963e-4bcd-b840-fdbf4bf2c1a5

>>40770138
Weed is also illegal because of it’s vasoconstriction, ability to exacerbate or elicit schizophrenia, and known evidence based side effects now that we have almost 20 years of data to draw on.

Good on you for being ignorant though.

>>40770203
Schizophrenia is good now.

>>40770203
I am of the mind the government shouldn’t control its people, but the people should control the government.
Despite the information I posted. I think seat belts should be optional.
Hard core antibiotics should be OTC and mescaline should be per os OTC

>>40770203
If side effects where the reason, half the legal prescriptions being given out would be made illegal. Please don't make this argument then accuse me of being ignorant.

>>40770205
You wish retard. Although if more of you were catatonic schizophrenics life would be easier.

>>40770108 (OP)
at first it was pure economic interests of a few corrupt officials and their cronies - later it was mkultra.

>>40770212
The issue we have is that the benefits don’t outweigh the risks.
When medications are researched (or bribed) into public access there is accountability by the manufacturers (except vaccines). So when side affects are discovered they add them to the box. Black box warnings are obviously weighed against the benefits and when there is less benefit than the risk they pull them.

>>40770203
Not just that but the schizophrenia argument is fucking stupid. It may not be for everyone (weed) but there's an shit load of propaganda against it. Let me know when doctors stop prescribing Ritalin to children, which in turn has the potential to fuck up their growing and developing brain. Stimulants are okay cause they're made in labs. Oh, but making your own stimulants is a federal offense.

>>40770230
You talk like someone who has never smoked weed in their life and uses infographs, studies and charts to determine something rather than first hand account. You're a sucker.

>>40770233
You’re a fucking retard.
Truly dumb.
The difference between purity tested pharmaceuticals is dose is metered and consistent.
I will not argue the consistent purity of lab grown meth because I don’t fuck with that. I disagree with the administration of stimulants to most of the population but agree they have merit in circumstances that would require them.

And the reason schizophrenia is a big deal is because you retards shit up this board after you develop it.

Outside of this board there isn’t enough data to determine who is at risk of developing it, only that magical thinking is hard coded into THC.

>>40770241
I have smoked more than you bro.

OP wanted a reason for prohibition, I gave it.

>>40770250
>they have merit in circumstances that would require them.
Same with cannabis. You're just too stubborn and biased to see this. You can't see it, either. You depend too much on the input of people who make upbullshit laws and excuses as to why you can't do the things they can.

>>40770263
No you fucking imbecile. I rely on evidence backed data that shows what the fuck something does to the individual, population at large, and the pathophysiological and pharmacodynamic effects it has on the body.

You’re just a druggie burn out who wants to smoke weed without stigma. Like a fag who wants to eat shit in public, you have a problem and need help.

>>40770263
true. sometimes I just don't feel schizo enough to post here. Marijuana helps. (on a more serious note: The shit helps with stress like nothing else. )

>>40770278
Unless you have a paradoxical reaction, idiosyncratic reaction or a good old fashioned panic attack.

>>40770108 (OP)
Forces rest and reflection which controlling powers do not want lesser classes to do.

Work work work work.
Enjoy your caffeine, that’s ok.

>>40770108 (OP)
It's a good spiritual medicine. Too bad people are retarded about it.

>>40770283
So does putting the phone down and engaging the parasympathetic nervous system but that’s not prohibited and therefore uncool huh?

>>40770276
>I rely on evidence backed data that shows what the fuck something does to the individual
Theres nothing wrong with that. But just remember theyre just studies used to get a general idea of things. To take it as absolute truth is ridiculous. They're just tests and studies done to people in which those inducting said studies are hoping the test subjects are even honest to begin with, let alone expecting these people to understand the entirety of the human experience to determine such things to begin with. Just because 100 people were tested doesn't make that a credible argument for or against something.

All you'll ever know is what anyone is able to know through the limited human senses. That's all science is able to conduct its studies BY and THROUGH. So it's always going to be biased, because we can never know everything there is to know.

>>40770288
Go hit a punching bag you angry twat

>>40770278
Cannabis absolutely has its uses. The schizo thing is a ridiculous argument made by people who have never smoked it.

>>40770283
Well said.

>>40770294
Ah, that’s the same argument given to pharmaceuticals. Interesting.

Side effects cannot be fully known until disbursed into the public.

We get damn close to knowing through longitudinal studies. We’re starting to get those results from the effects of marijuana on the American populace. It’s nice because with the large amount of genetic variance in the US population you get good insight into the universal effects on the majority of humans.
Things like decreased IQ, cognition and emphysema are starting to come to light.

>>40770281
meh. I'm a stern believer in vaping small amounts and shit weed (really really 'bad' stuff). I don't have problems with overdosing.

>>40770276
I just did a quick google. You're right. The numbers are really not fun. Like oof. Makes me feel lucky I'm 'too old' for schizophrenia and I have no cases of mental illness in my family.

>>40770298
I’m upset that people seek enlightenment through entheogenics and not through their own dopamine system reset.
That gullible and impressionable children will grow up smoking weed and turn into gullible impressionable retards too high to see my fucking wife and kids on the highway.

I’m sick of being a widow and I’m sick of people smoking weed and driving. Thinking there aren’t side effects of consequences.

why does weed make you want to eat the "poison" if it's supposed to be the medicine?

>>40770307
At the end of the day, you are trusting the words of an industry that has a ventured interest in keeping a plant illegal solely due to profits. Because again, if side effects where the main issue, half the pills behind the counter would be illegal. I've known plenty of people that smoke and have smoked weed. I've smoked it plenty, too. I'll go by my own personal experience rather than the words of distrustful people who obviously don't have the peoples best interest at heart.

>>40770319
Congrats on winning stupidest post of the day award.

>>40770317
Condolences.

That has a lot to do with the impression of weed in the public consciousness though no? Lots of movies make it out to be a "party drug." Maybe it was never meant to be that. Maybe the general perception of its usage is what needs to change

>>40770320
There has to be a level of trust given to the men and women doing these studies.

The reproducibility crisis in scholarly research doesn’t extend into real life medical cases. I see kids and individuals younger than I am fucked to the gills because they wanna get high.
Is weed as bad as fentanyl and xylazine? No.
Is it good for the population at large?
Also no.
Things are illegal because the average mouth breather shouldn’t be able to afford the penalty of use.
If you are smart enough to use an illegal substance without being caught you have passed the bare minimum requirement of being able to use it.

You people see laws as a hard limit, laws are barriers to entry that prohibit regards.

>>40770334
No shit. That guy is eating up basic level propaganda and I think it has to do with the fact of being a widow, which I'm sorry to hear if that's the case. But cannabis didn't kill your family, irresponsible people did. There's always going to be irresponsible people. Whether it be on alcohol, cannabis, stimulants, pills or even fucking sober. Im not advocating the use of these things, but irresponsibility is the real issue here.

>>40770346
I’m a physician who works in the ER at a major city.
I see what effects this shit has on people.
I also lost my wife and kids because some kid ripped 4 bowls off his bong and wanted to get Taco Bell.

Both things are not mutually exclusive.

>>40770336
>There has to be a level of trust given to the men and women doing these studies.
You've lost all credibility here.

>Things are illegal because the average mouth breather shouldn’t be able to afford the penalty of use.
Potentially, but in this situation, cannabis is illegal solely due to greed. If it was illegal for the reasons you mentioned then so would phones/tablets for toddlers, alcohol, rap music and many other things.

But they arent. And do you know why? Because these laws aren't for our own good.

>>40770108 (OP)
It gives users woman brain

>>40770300
>The schizo thing is a ridiculous argument made by people who have never smoked it.
no. I did a quick google on the other guys claims. The numbers are horrible. I grew up a stoner kid with most of my friends being stoners up to this day. (We're all in our 40s now). Thinking about the 'smoking habits' of the people I got to know over the years and seeing the rough estimate of 10 to 20% of heavy users developing at one point or another a drug psychosis aligns pretty much with my experience. The same with the claim that 50% of people who had a marijuana induced psychosis go on to develop schizophrenia (claim is based on a finish study based on 18k cases) - that too seems very plausible to me based on my own experience)
If you think about this on a population level it is frightening.

Don't get me wrong. I am not in favour of criminalising anything, but I think the other poster is right about marijuana being more dangerous than commonly thought.

>>40770354
So you of all people should know youre over exaggerating, especially since you claimed to have smoked before. Look, I understand why you're so mad and I get that most likely you're going to blindly hate weed for the rest of your life but you need to understand that the issue isn't weed, it was irresponsibility. And you can't force people to act responsibly.

>>40770361
If you don’t believe medical studies, on people, what will you believe?

Are you so solipsistic that you cannot believe there is anything beyond what you see?

Do you distrust vehicles you haven’t assembled yourself, from parts you smelted or synthesized?

>>40770366
It has been an argument before the internet existed. You're falling for propaganda and fail to even realize Schizophrenia is a made up medical condition to try and make sense of the things scientists can't make sense of.

>>40770375
I literally already answered that. I go by my own experience with cannabis.

A car company has a reputation to uphold. Those doing the studies have illusions and propaganda to uphold.

Get off the site and properly mourn your loss, man. Getting into an argument on 4chan isn't the proper way to do this. Clearly, you're still hurting. I'm not saying this ironically or anything. I mean it.

>>40770370
It’s about both weed and responsibility.
Irresponsibility was secondary to weed ingestion in the loss of my family.

I see kids who go on psychotic breaks because of weed induced psychosis.

Both of them are problematic.

I think we should make every drug legal so that people with genetic predispositions to adverse effects can be culled from the population at large.

Give the people what they want in lethal doses.

>>40770346
Advocating for "responsibility" is an empty buzzword transparently built to cover the desire to smoke more fag cabbage and watch stupid cartoons. Not only is it universally impossible that people will maintain an equal degree of responsibility when the contributing factor of sobriety is knocked out from under them; but dopesmokers to a man overestimate their ability to relegate their usage. The most level-headed are those who perform simple 9-5 desk jobs and even then weed has neutered their drive to grow as a person outside of that.

>>40770354
a) I am terribly sorry for what happened to your wife and children.
b) that and the fact that you are working at an ER may give you somewhat of a skewed or biased perspective, don't you think?

>>40770393
>we should make every drug legal so that people with genetic predispositions to adverse effects can be culled from the population at large.
You say shit like this all the while wanting sympathy for the loss of your family. You have a lot of growing up to do.

>>40770400
It’s why I didn’t rely on anecdotal data but longitudinal studies at first, the gold standard of medical literature on the effects of a substance.

>>40770396
You too are falling for the braindead, lazy stoner propaganda. Weed doesn't make you lazy, it just makes lazy people lazier.

>>40770403
I’m advocating for a population that cannot understand why they shouldn’t be able to dose DNP in lieu of diet and exercise to be able to imbibe in their deepest desires.
If people want to kill themselves in pursuit of their own self actualization they shouldn’t have bad daddy government holding them back.

>>40770419
No, you're mad some asshole killed your family. Get off the internet and process that in a healthy, beneficial way.

Or keep arguing on the internet about how bad weed is.

>>40770429

>>40770406
oof, man. Well, in all honesty I think you have a point. So assuming you are not lying about your background in an anonymous internet discussion, do you think there is such a thing as responsible use and if so what do you reckon does it look like?

>>40770433
He is trolling and trying to get a rise out of other people who enjoy things that he doesn't. You can keep engaging, im out.

>>40770415
The propaganda machine hasn‘t been even marginally against weed in at least two decades and not substantially since the 80‘s. Everything in all media has been advocating weed use for years now.
My experiences are informed by smoking it myself for a number of years and being in countless circles who also did: Whites, blacks, white collars, blue collars, boomers, students. They were at various degrees of harmful effects but as I said, the upper crust were those who just did their job and then little to nothing else of personal growth in their life. For my part, with the full control group of what creative drive and personal growth is inherent to me across my life, I was at my nadir while smoking weed.

>>40770433
I am not the person to be asking this.
I recognize my bias in this and while I can advocate against it, I shouldn’t be the person you ask for reasons to do it.

I am hurt. I spent years of my life trying to build up my family and a career and to see it fall apart had skewed my perception.

I used to smoke weed. I had fun doing it until I had panic attacks. I had a friend who had a psychotic break from smoking and he still hasn’t fully recovered. We were both med students prior to our first rotation.

I think my experiences and the evidence I pointed to show my opinion on it.

I’m certain there are people who enjoy themselves and can be moderate in their usage. I just don’t know why people would risk a life time of sanity for a drug.

I’m sorry for being so hostile as this thread has progressed and I’m sorry for my anger.

I spent my life trying to help people and when the people I loved most died I don’t know have meaning anymore.

I came back on here to find something that reminded me of my curiosity and excitement and I took out my anger and frustration on you guys.
I’m sorry.

>>40770108 (OP)
I think you're supposed to let your mind heal after you smoke it, otherwise you end up like one of those dudebro stoners that acts all retarded
That's just a theory I have though, because when I smoke it, I get super introspective and empathic, but when I see other people smoke it, they literally act like retards

>>40770539
Fuck man, I'm the other guy, NTA. I get coming here for a sense of familiarity when everything is falling apart and you don't know what the fuck to do. I've been there before myself. But this is a website that can be harsh and brutal, especially given what you're going through. At best, just lurking. You need to find someone you can trust to process all of this with because it's going to be extremely difficult if not impossible by yourself.

I didn't take what you said against me personally. I could tell you were hurt.

>>40770556
I have a clinical psychiatrist on staff I’ve been seeing.
My girls were killed last year on the 14th and I think this thread was the perfect storm.

I just want things to be better bros

>>40770539
all good, man.
>>40770550
I think he problem is highly potent marijuana. if a single hit from a joint turns you into a brain damaged zomboid for the next 2 to 3 hours it's no fun. you want to be a tad dumber, not full blown retarded.

>>40770575
Truly sorry for your loss. Its hard getting over the loss of a loved one. Last family member that died, I didn't cry till the viewing. And it was during covid, so there was a lot of time before we could do that.

Just gotta keep going, you know?

m

Gay thread, where is the paranormal, it's only stoners/dealers vs pseudo scientists here

smoking weed is cringe and trashy. if you're above the age of 23 and you haven't outgrown being a stoner you are pathetic

>>40772850
this

The fact that mainstream media pushes smoking weed so much is all the confirmation I need to know it's terrible for you physically, mentally, and spiritually. all stoners are gross, 100% of them

>>40772902
only NPCs smoke weed

>>40770108 (OP)
I quit a few months ago due to becoming a medical provider who gets drug tested regularly. I only ate edibles and hit a dab pen before that. I miss it real bad tho and I wish it wasn't on the drug tests. On the bright side, I have definitely noticed that I am breathing better.

On the topic of schizophrenia, yes it can cause a psychotic break and make psychotic breaks worse in people who ALREADY HAVE schizophrenia. But it ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT cause schizophenia as it is a genetic disease that alters brain structure. Weed ends up flooding a schizo's brain with dopamine and their schizo brain is not structured properly to regulate that much dopamine.

>>40772902
what the mainstream media pushes has direct association with the current political party in charge and the current zeitgeist is. Look back a couple of years and see there was heavy, heavy push against it in the mainstream media. Stop being a dumbass. If you don't want to smoke, then don't. Such a strange way to live your life. If I lived my life by the same code of ethics, I would've bothered reading the Bible. I would've just trusted the general publics opinion. And this goes for so many more things other than just reading the Bible. I would've never grown as an individual.

>>40772944
>I would've bothered reading the Bible.
*I would've never bothered reading the Bible.

>Dude bro like weed and stuff

>>40772944
this post is proof that weed makes you retarded. weed is heavily and aggressively encouraged for youths under the age of 25 whose brains are still developing by both mainstream media and pop culture.

>>40773016
go look up the date when the term
>the devils lettuce
was used in reference to cannabis and look at the general idea of what was being pushed on the mainstream media in regards to weed. Go on.

>>40773016
go look up the date when the term
>the devils lettuce
was being used and pay attention to how much propaganda the mainstream media was pushing against it. Cigarettes, are another example. Doctors used to recommend them, now they condemn them. To blindly follow the mainstream narrative without using common sense and logic is dangerous.

>>40770203
>weed has been illegal for 90 years because of things we've only known for 20
And in the Grand scheme of things, these awful horrible side effects are nothingbutgers compared to pharmaceuticals, alcohol and opioids.

>>40770183
Theyre priests who transcribe rites of prescriptions and read charts like chicken bones.

Theyre also protected by the town guards of curses befalling you, but can be burned at the stake if found to be a heretical practitioner.

Actual priests are Psychologists, giving counsiling and therapy sessions...oh, and the MAHA leaders have done drugs, real drugs like mushrooms or cocaine.

>>40773405
because they had not yet co-opted it to be synonymous with degenerecy and had not studied psychedelic enough at the time to figure out how to use it to control and subvert society. once they figured out how to use it as a weapon to create degenerate stoners that we see today is when they started pushing it with full force

>>40773308
they knew what they were doing by advertising that, remember when your mom or dad would tell you not to do something and it made you want to do it more? Yea thats what they did back then. Imagine thinking the narritive was ever different then it is now lmfao

>>40773873
Youre an idiot. Cannabis has been smoked for thousands of years. It doesnt take scientists to see that a mind altering substance can cause degeneracy. But youre conflating the two and that's a faulty argument. A hammer is a tool that can both help build a house and help put a hole in someone's head. Someone intentionally using a hammer wrong and not respecting it for what it is will lead to stupid situations that could easily be avoided. Now, multiply the hammer scenario enough to the point where hammers are now wrongly associated as a murder weapon and are now illegal. This is literally what happened in the UK with fucking kitchen cutlery.

For thousands of years, various people have used it for religious ceremonies. Same with alcohol. Just because it's being marketed a certain way doesnt mean that it's actually what it's being claimed to be.

>>40775281
you have no proof its been smoked for thousands of years, and even if it was marijuana from back then would have different effects from todays marijuana specially since its grown differently. The fact that you think todays marijuana is the same as marijuana from back then shows your ignorance.

>>40775299
>you have no proof its been smoked for thousands of years,
Look it up lmfao.

>since its grown differently.
No, it's not. It's just back before laws were established so people could technically legally buy weed, it had to be imported from outside countries and that was very cheap, poorly grown weed that has been wrongly associated as "normal" weed. The strong weed available now is strong solely due to genetics and proper growing conditions.

The same way a local farmers tomato is going to be far more juicy, flavorful and overall better compared to a store bought one that's been sitting on the shelf for who knows how long and was cut from the vine early to compensate for the long travel distance so they don't spoil before reaching their destination.

You dont know what the fuck youre talking about, at all. Don't expect another response from me.

>>40775326
>no its not
holy shit you really are retarded, great job.

>>40775332
I accept your concession lol.

>>40775339
Again its not grown the same and it would not have the same effects. Or do you forget that during the the 60s 70s they had alphabet agencys literally growing different kinds?

>>40775349
I can literally go to a shop and buy the same type of weed at 5$ a gram i was smoking 10+ years ago. You know why? Cause it's cheap, poorly grown crap. Seriously though, I'm done with this discussion with you. It's like arguing with a wall. Take care.

>>40775366
its not the same but you keep thinking that retard.

>>40773484
Psychologists are demons, have you ever met a psychologist that isn't a smarmy know it all son of a whore? These people would have you take tons of meds to fix your problems than to tell you to go out into the world and actually grow beyond whatever "psychological" limits you THINK you have. Fuck psychologists, so many lives ruined by these "shamans"

>>40770300
Kind of like how chuds here know nothing about anyone or anything outside of their bubble.

>>40775702
That's not true at all. Poor strawman argument. Potential projection.