Should Christians pray for Satan?

Sometimes I feel sorry for him.

>>40777315 (OP)
No. Satan doesn't want you to pray for him either, and he doesn't care that you feel bad for him. Besides maybe that he could leverage your pity against you to manipulate you into doing his bidding. Mercy is a form of condescension, it is given by a stronger party. Satan has a complex about that sort of thing specifically, and is offended by your attempts to display compassion.

>>40777315 (OP)
Saving Satan is one of the top priorities.
Everyone deserves salvation by right of birth.

>>40777351
Ignorant

I had a similar sentiment for the longest time. Sympathy for the born loser fated to rebel and burn etc. but praying is you having a conveyence to God, so asking God, hey can you apply my values to your construct cannot be approached without the underlying pride and vanity of your own sentiment or value system of pity which is not necessarily Gods. And this is the guy who made rules of nature, so making something to be born and suffer in delusion and die isn't exactly inconsistent. I think you can pity him, but praying for him is expressing confusion.

>>40777315 (OP)
No.

1 John 5:16-17
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.

Angels were with God at the foundation of the creation of earth. Angels have always known God directly (except for fallen ones, obviously). We as humans, haven't. It's only been recorded in the Bible that Adam and Eve were allowed to see the LORD face to face without dying (it does refer to Jesus being capable of this, too but that's a given).

So, we pray for other people because they don't have the luxury of knowing God as personally as an Angel would. Which is also why praying for Angels is absurd in my opinion, not only because of the fact that they were created to serve man, but also on the fact that they are capable of doing things that would be able to overwhelm a human multiple times over just by revealing their presence.

So basically what I'm trying to say is that in this case, Satan has no excuse, because he knew God directly, knew everything God was about (at least as a very high ranking angel) and still chose to directly challenge God.

So tl;dr
No. And there's nothing to feel bad about.

>>40777315 (OP)
IDK if god wanted to stop him he could because he is all powerful, if he can't god isn't all powerful.

God lets satan fuck with people for no reason other than he either enjoys it or can't stop it, making god equally shitty or just not actually god.

>>40777315 (OP)
I am always very sympathetic for demons and Maras. It's not MY business to ensure they are punished.

Captcha:
>At0hn

>>40777358
Satan ultimately chose his fate. God respects the free will of all His creation, angels included. This is why it's even mentioned in the Bible that there will be those (men) who will even be judging angels in the afterlife.

Without free will, there is no such thing as forgiveness, repentance or even damnation. Because all these things are ultimately determined by our behavior and choices in life.

>>40777315 (OP)
You should pray to him :)

>>40777364
Let me ask you something. How do you expect to grow as an individual if every experience that provided you discomfort or a challenge just magically disappeared? God allows Satan to tempt man, yes. But never beyond the individuals capabilities. And the only reason we are allowed to be tested is so that we may really, really show and see as well how much we actually care about the faith.

Realistically, you're just an extremely lazy human being and want to use God as a cop out to justify your laziness and refusal to face adversity and not let it drag you down and corrupt you.

>>40777315 (OP)
Christ died for satans sins

>>40777473
I thought he died for OUR sins

>>40777473
More like Christ died to fix the problem that Satan caused by deceiving Adam and Eve.

>>40777435
the fuck are you on about.
God is either all powerful or he is not.
Can god make a pizza so hot even he cant eat it? if so god isn't all powerful, If he can then he can't make a pizza so hot he can't eat it.

>>40777480
who do you think you are
minus 32 from the average human body temperature

the grace of god is that hes wtihin you as you are within him polarity that can harmonize through grace and spirit

>>40777435
Plus I don't need some floating sky retard to tell me what is right or wrong, I have above room temperature iq

>>40777480
>>40777497
what was the first sin if not satan the advisery the ego judgement of good and evil

>>40777435
Anon God allows Satan to torture people to death and kill innocents just to test them this is obviously not a good deal for us. There's a reason the most significant thing God ever did for humans was die horribly for us. His time on the cross is a microcosm of our entire existence on this piece of shit rock. That is what made God palatable to the masses, that Christ was innocent and died a gruesome death that he didn't want to. Humanity relates to this more than anything. If he hadn't of done that, we'd still be worshipping other gods because they offer material abundance and temporary reprieve from the agony of human existence. You don't have to pretend life is a bootcamp and God is just like a drill sergeant who's smoking us to make us tough. Our pain is arbitrary and our lives are short and usually humiliating. That is the truth, we are cursed and fallen. When you talk like this, it doesn't inspire the person you're talking to to change their perspective. When someone says
>My life is awful
And your response is
>Yeah God wants it to be :)
There is no justification after the fact that will make them listen to you. You cannot "life is a bootcamp" people out of resenting God for their child dying of cancer. God just wants us to say we love him and get into heaven when we die. This life is a binary decision between him and hell. All of the suffering in between is almost always pointless and random. If it isn't, it is made to intentionally appear that way to us.

>>40777499
You actually made the pizza argument, unironically. I'm sorry, but I can't take you serious anymore.

>>40777510
You are fully allowed to determine that, and God respects your decision to ultimately decide that for yourself. But since you are extremely limited in terms of awareness of things beyond what you can readily perceive, you're basically trying to navigate a pitch black dark building with no light to lead you out.

>>40777517
Sin is born the second God is opposed.

>>40777530
>you're basically trying to navigate a pitch black dark building with no light to lead you out.
Yet we always make it out the building without needing the light. Funny that.

>>40777539
When the fuck has that ever happened? Where's our utopia, asshole?

>>40777530
and by nature of our being we are born into it
which is why we as sin satan must rise above ourself the sacrifice of nature for grace as christ sacrificed himself for us in an eternal act of grace

>>40777550
>Utopia; refers to an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect.

Try use a different word.

>>40777499
Yes God can make a pizza so hot he can't eat it.

>>40777565
So god isn't all powerful, meaning he isn't god. thanks for clearing that up.

>>40777572
Potentiation is a human concept. God could make a pizza so hot he can't eat it and still eat it. But more importantly to us, he has the capability of making the pizza.

>>40777528
>not a good deal for us
Trust me, you will never have to worry about such a persecution.

>There's a reason the most significant thing God ever did for humans was die horribly for us.
God has done many things for us. He gave us this whole world and look at the state we have left it in.

>that he didn't want to.
He knew as a child what His fate was. I'd imagine being in the garden, knowing what was going to happen in a few minutes would shake anyone up. But He already knew He would suffer, He prophesied to His Disciples and sternly warned them to tell no one until all is fulfilled.

>If he hadn't of done that, we'd still be worshipping other gods because they offer material abundance and temporary reprieve from the agony of human existence.
Stupid argument. The Law existed before the new covenant (Christianity) and the Lord's sacrifice was prophesied since Genesis. Not just that, but Abraham's relationship with God precedes the Law, and so on and so forth.

>You don't have to pretend life is a bootcamp
It actually is. We are here to grow and prepare for eternity. That's why He calls us to live a certain way that makes us stick out from the rest of the world. It's to prepare us for a much greater experience and existence.

>There is no justification after the fact that will make them listen to you.
Okay, everyone suffers in this life. Everyone has their own bullshit they have to deal with. You can either cower in fear of the concept of suffering, or embrace it and not let it keep you in a state of inaction.

>my life sucks therefore I will forever be miserable
is better than
>my life sucks, but I'm going to make the most out of what I got cause realistically all I need is God because this world is nonsense.

You see, when you feel and understand God's love, you can have the most miserable human experience, but you will be cheerful and happy despite the fact.

>>40777315 (OP)
Satan deserves no mercy and should be treated as an enemy always. That being said, Christ said that blessing your enemies is something that accrues brownie points from God always. The answer is thus simple: never give Satan any kind of gift or supernatural blessing, but pray upon his repentance with clarity and the mindset that it is him that needs to change who he is and what he does, and that at this point no one but himself can decide to change what he can do in order to be redeemed.

Keep in mind that Satan will never want to be redeemed nor repent of evil deeds because, on a philosophical level, he doesn't even WANT to. He staunchly has decided to rebel against God and never repent of evil deeds (i.e. confess to all of them and STOP doing them) for a couple of very stupid motivators, chief of which that he staunchly believes that he could never philosophically find a reason to serve a human because he is the meta-racist of meta-racism and metaphysically believes that serving another only makes sense if the are objectively superior to yourself, and that frankly, you deserve to be their slave solely because they're better than you.

He will never break this on a philosophical level because his destined vessel, Brando from Dream SMP, dedicatedly believes in the same core philosophy and thus he knows that in a world of needs (i.e. the finite world) Satan as a head angel (specifically Ibleth) simply has NO SHOT using his philosophy by which to get his vessel into heaven. Moreover he'd rather enslave such vessel (as he has) and possess him to do yet more sinning through supernatural bullshit, and that these racist 10 horns of his would therefore just REVEL in the chance to do some supernatural racism and probably wouldn't even CARE that they would be tortured and looshed to charge their Satanic magick when they weren't being charged by Satan's preferred evil of being worshipped and idolatrized instead of God.

>>40777585

>>40777572
BY NATURE OF BEING LIMITLESS
GOD
CAN
LIMIT
HIMSELF
GOD COULD BE AN ANT IF GOD WANTED TO
thats the power of unlimited power
GOD MIGHT EVEN BE PRETENDING TO BE YOU

>>40777539
I don't see anyone in the Light. You don't know what that would even entail or look like, so for you to say anyone's made it out, show me. Cause I don't see anyone in the Light. Lot's of posers out there who larp and make bullshit claims but that's all it is.

Look, you can play pretend all you want, but you either got it, or you don't. And those that do, can distinct those who do and those who don't.

>>40777555
>which is why we as sin satan must rise above ourself the sacrifice of nature for grace as christ sacrificed himself for us in an eternal act of grace
jibberish and blasphemy. Satan doesn't rise. He is the crab in the bucket trying to drag everyone else down with him.

>>40777619
Limits himself, can't un-limit himself because he limited himself.

>>40777636
judge not less ye be judged

>>40777623
>You don't know what that would even entail or look like.
You don't know what that wouldn't even entail or look like.

>>40777643
have you never played a game with a handicap on to make it more interesting

God makes Eve knowing she'll eat the fruit.
>is god retarded?

>>40777666
god is every retard there ever was satan

>>40777664
I'm handicapping myself right now speaking to religious idiots

>>40777653
We are called to judge righteously, not hypocritically. Don't try to school me on my faith, because you will not win.

>>40777664
EYE turn on legendary mode cause i am a legend

>>40777653
lest* not less

>It's all a test
>God already knows all the outcomes of the test
Decides to still punish people he knowingly made to fail his "test"

>>40777697
wow you're so scary!

>>40777692
>Don't try to school me on my faith, because you will not win.
Obviously you can't change someone mind once they've been consumed by religion, I’m just making fun of you to your face. maybe I'm just a part of your test KEK

>>40777700
Yes, and?

The holy 7777

>>40777685
>>40777697
quit samefagging no ones scared youre not tough

>>40777700
You're wrongly conflating the argument that because God allowed something, that He was behind the action itself. He doesn't judge us on things we don't do, unless we were supposed to do them. But again, you need anything to justify your blind hatred. And that harms no one but yourself.

>>40777714
You have to be offensive first to make fun of me.

>>40777600
>He gave us this whole world and look at the state we have left it in.
Yeah yeah beat yourself up over it. Humanity sins and ruins everything, I know. It isn't such a profound observation. We can't help it. Not really. God already has everything planned out anyways, humanity will not stop collectively sinning until Armageddon. Doesn't matter. Everything between Genesis, Mathew, and Revelations doesn't matter. You're going to sin or you're not. God will forgive you if you want.
>that he didn't want to
He explicitly asks God not to force him to martyr himself
>Stupid Argument
It's a hypothetical. The metaphysics are not accounted for. If God had not chosen for that to happen according to his law, we would be worshipping Zeus or something.
>We are here to grow and prepare for eternity
Infant mortality says otherwise. You don't even remember this life in the next.
>state of inaction
This is God's preferred state for us, or more accurately a state of contemplation. The ideal fallen human is a monk who sits alone in his cell and prays. Forsake meaningless pleasures and the suffering they cause, go sit in a cramped hole and wait to die. Those are God's favorite people.

>>40777715
Essentially God is punishing people who he made do wrong, where is the logic in that?

That's exactly like me punching someone in the face then they get arrested for getting punched in the face. It's completely illogical.

>>40777600

>You see, when you feel and understand God's love, you can have the most miserable human experience, but you will be cheerful and happy despite the fact.

complete denial of reality, i hope you enjoy your children speaking arabic or mandarin because "earthly" desires are bad and you need to turn the other cheek goyim. You fuckers give me the chills reading this death cult speech so prominent among yourselves. Reminds me of cultists jumping off a cliff because their leader told them a big UFO would come and save them. Make sure to raise your families far far away from these people.

>>40777315 (OP)
ITT will begotten.

>>40777723
>You're wrongly conflating the argument that because God allowed something, that He was behind the action itself. He doesn't judge us on things we don't do, unless we were supposed to do them. But again, you need anything to justify your blind hatred. And that harms no one but yourself.

Again this is saying God isn't all powerful, is he all powerful and all knowing or not.

If he is then he is just making people to punish making him worse than Satan ever could be.

If not then he isn't god.

>>40777724
>Yeah yeah beat yourself up over it. Humanity sins and ruins everything, I know.
Look, the fact that you're already downplaying something that's obviously an issue just right off the bat lets me know this discussion is a huge waste of time because you're being disingenuous already. Let me know when you're ready to be more honest with yourself in the things you have to say.

>>40777729
You're entitled to your opinion. But I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you of something you can only certainly know it's real by having a direct experience yourself. So, I'll just let that be that. it's obvious you have no understanding.

>>40777722
stfu

God isn't real
>check

>>40777745
>Again this is saying God isn't all powerful,
No. That's what you're equating it to. I don't know about you, but if you spend a lot of time with someone, their behavior and mannerisms can become predictable. If you are capable of predicting a persons actions, are they suddenly removed of their own autonomy and free will and thus magically to yours? No, that's fucking stupid.

>>40777780
Cope.

>>40777767
> you can only certainly know it's real by having a direct experience yourself. So, I'll just let that be that. it's obvious you have no understanding.

Yeah because your a deciever and the truth blinds you foul desert demon worshipper. Who was the father of baal hammon? the father of the commander of the nine headed serpant prophicized to bring judgement upon yourself. The husband of asherah (astaroth) and the spreader of misery and subjugation.

You refuse to converse about these things unless the person in front of you already believes in your cosmology or a shred of the book of lies you call scripture. Fear not though you who betrays your people and ancestors, when your body withers and your putrid toothless maw falls silent you will go be one with your god in the abyss of his sword tounged gullet.

>>40777827

>>40777792
If you create something knowing everything that it will ever do then free will doesn't exist.
Thus god is either torturing people for fun and enslaving them in hell for eternity for shits and giggles OR god isn't real.

>>40777827
>baal hammon
>The husband of asherah (astaroth)

>You refuse to converse about these things
There's so much nonsense here I don't even know where to begin but I'll do my best to condense it.

First and foremost, prove to me that any of the quoted names (be they entities/gods/whatever) have ever existed. If you can't, then you're in no different of a position than I. The only difference, is that those people you've mentioned are fucking fake, and that's why I don't bother wasting my time with bullshit pagan nonsense who worship the creation rather than the Creator.

>>40777841
Again, me being able to predict a humans actions doesn't strip them of their own autonomy and free will.

You have no argument, just a bunch of blind and misguided hate in your heart. Take care.

>>40777862
>me
I'm talking about god not you, are you fucking stupid.

IF GOD KNOWS ALL THEN HE KNOWS ALL
you cant just pick and choose you fucking moron.

>>40777857
bahahaha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism

your god is and was a pagan god worshipped by JEWS who wants to subjugate all other peoples just like his chosen.

>>40777880
The irony of calling me stupid and you being too stupid to understand what I'm saying is honestly kind of sad. I'll just repeat it one more time in hopes that it suddenly clicks.

Knowing what will happen, doesn't mean it was your fault it happened.

>>40777891
I see you can't prove to me that your false gods are real. Funny how you have proven my point I made earlier right. Some words of advice for your next post, think before you speak.

>>40777891
Yahweh[b] was an ancient Semitic deity of weather and war in the ancient Levant, the national god of the kingdoms of Judah and Israel, and the head of the pantheon of the polytheistic Israelite religion.[4][9][10] Although there is no clear consensus regarding the geographical origins of the deity,[11] scholars generally hold that Yahweh was associated with Seir, Edom, Paran, and Teman,[12] and later with Canaan. The worship of the deity reaches back to at least the early Iron Age, and likely to the late Bronze Age, if not somewhat earlier.[13]

In the oldest biblical texts, Yahweh possesses attributes that were typically ascribed to deities of weather and war, fructifying the Land of Israel and leading a heavenly army against the enemies of the Israelites.[14] The early Israelites engaged in polytheistic practices that were common across ancient Semitic religion,[9] because the Israelite religion was a derivative of the Canaanite religion and included a variety of deities from it, including El, Asherah, and Baal.[15] Initially a lesser deity among the Cannanite pantheon,[4][16] Yahweh became conflated with El in later centuries, taking his place as the head of the pantheon in the Israelite religion. El's consort Asherah became associated with Yahweh, and El-linked epithets, such as ʾĒl Šadday (אֵל שַׁדַּי), came to be applied to him alone.[17][18] Characteristics of other deities, such as Asherah and Baal, were also selectively absorbed in conceptions of Yahweh.[19][20][21]

As Israelite Yahwism eventually developed into Judaism and Samaritanism, and eventually transitioned from polytheism to monotheism, the existence of other deities was denied outright, and Yahweh was proclaimed the creator deity and the sole deity to be worthy of worship. During the Second Temple period, Jews began to substitute other Hebrew words, primarily ăḏōnāy (אֲדֹנָי, lit.'My Lords'), in place of the name Yahweh.

>>40777908
>Although there is no clear consensus regarding the geographical origins of the deity

Wow! It's a
>studies show
>scientists agree
>we believe that
scenario. Please, just stop embarrassing yourself already. I know you're going to be dishonest about this, but we both know there's fuckery happening with history on earth to try and enforce a certain narrative of life on earth. And for you to blindly take the words of these types, knowing how dishonest and deceitful the mainstream narrative is, just goes to sure you're arguing in bad faith to begin with.

Have a good day, I'm out.

>>40777904
>Knowing what will happen.
Unfortunately you are the idiot.
It's not the knowing, it's the creation of the person with the intent that everything will happen.
If god makes people and has no idea what they will do then he is not an all knowing being making him not god.
If he makes them knowing what they will do then he is essentially making people and damning them to an eternity in hell for no reason.

>>40777904
>your gods are false!!!!!
>mine is real. why??? because i said so and yours arent
>>40777921
>goyim!!! i dont like what you told me im leaving.
>clear linguistics showing he worships jew god
>dismisses as theory when his scripture talks about this thoroughly
>goes to pray to yahweh or worse adonai (plural)
theres no point with you people lol just denial of whatever is given to you and projection.

>>40777315 (OP)
Sympathy for the Devil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnClrx8N2k

I don't think about him at all

>>40777315 (OP)
Nope. Unlike humans, he has absolute and full witness of God and no ability to make decisions across time as we do. He's cooked for eternity. Save your prayers for those who have a chance, however remote, of being saved.

>>40779010
I could save him

Cope and seethe, anti-Satan fags

Based thread OP. May all beings without exception experience happiness and be free of suffering

>>40777354
Less ignorant than you apparently.

Why would you pray for jewgod's star employee?

Haven't you read Job? They're friday night betting buddies.

>>40779352
Shut up you imbecile. You have no idea what you're talking about.