what the title said. how can one perform black magic like curses without the need of demons/spirits/gods etc. even if the performed magic may not be as powerful, I do not trust these "spirits" but still need to learn harmful magic. books, texts, practices everything is welcome here.

>>40788883 (OP)
I can teach you deep magic, are you comfortable with a book scrawling ink as you look?

>>40788883 (OP)
All magic is a contract between you and God.

>>40788943
but how, any philosophers or mystery cults that talked about this tho?
>>40788922
checked but i dont usually trust named anons

>>40788968
'Black Fairy' is a title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-eosLwv738

Anything by professor Aragon.

>>40789088
checked again, holy shit well im all ears anon but what do you mean by
>a book scrawling ink as you look?

>>40789105
exactly as said.

>>40789192
ok i guess im ready

>>40789192

>>40789223
Pretty short rollercoaster but I got to the end and consider it a formal manner of agreement

My caution is merely this:
>one of those pages may be a contract

Care, may keep alive.

>>40789293
>93
>a contract
pass

>>40789293
You didn't tell them your name, did you?

>>40788968
Of course they do.
The problem from your perspective is that the "big picture" is too big, is it not?
Maybe you don't need to understand the big picture to know what you know?
Maybe you just need to understand what you already know?

>>40788883 (OP)
Learn silence and understand unconditioned reality

>>40788883 (OP)
so what you're saying is that you want to personally cultivate the requisite energy potential to make your workings successful
congratulations, this is the proper way
but that means you will have to master meditative things like anapanasati first
gung is built up a little bit at a time, so the more efficient your meditation is, the more gung is built on a per session basis
cultivate your awareness to a high degree
after all, the mage with no internal power is impotent
this is why most other mages are lazy and dont do the work themselves

>>40788883 (OP)
How do you hope to power your black magic without using entities? Your own energy? You'd need to be quite far along to do that, even with the help of natural materials, moon phases, planetary days/hours, etc.

>>40790313
>using samadhi to work black magic
Neither you nor OP are gonna make it

>>40788922
Teach me senpai

>>40790313
thanks, meditation was already on my list
but what if i cultivate enough awareness? will I also get heightened intuition to know or feel how to perform magic?
>>40790688
>Your own energy?
yes that was really what i was thinking, using my own power/energy to perform

>>40792144
>heightened intuition
Yes.
>>40791945
OP made a very specific request

>>40792144
Not only will you get better intuition, you'll also gain insight into things.
It's good to learn many kinds of meditation to see what works best for you.
Personally I like Qigong, for it's coordinating effects across the mind-body-spirit connection.

also resources on energy manipulation are very welcome
>>40792379
>It's good to learn many kinds of meditation
aye I have some books by swami saraswati (maybe you know him) but i am doing the gateway tapes at the moment, tho Im still not sure if i should trust them
>Personally I like Qigong
do you have a teacher or are you learning it on your own

>>40792427
I learned in a Quanzhen temple under an abbot.
If you have questions on Qigong I can probably answer them.
Also I like the gateway tapes, Monroe gets some extremely minor things wrong morally(but we all do), the actual state the tapes put you in however allows extremely advanced meditations.

>>40792453
yeah never had the discipline to follow through with meditation on my own but I repeated the focus 10 tape the last few idk 12 days and it really feels amazing tho im far from reaching focus 10

>>40790698
look dumbass, its a matter of energy potential
what your workings are is up to you
unless you're naive enough to think that black magick = having entities do shit for you
in which case as I said and as OP indicated he would like to avoid,
you're gonna owe for what you borrow
so it becomes a matter of build your own internal power, or stay powerless

>>40792144
>but what if i cultivate enough awareness? will I also get heightened intuition to know or feel how to perform magic?
I'm not gonna bs ya bro, you will need to put in a serious long and concerted effort to gain the requisite power to do advanced workings yourself with 0 assistance.
but its the right way, its the way the power is yours
because if you borrow it, it aint yours
egregores are a thing for this reason, protectorates for a group
but the problem there is establishing it, where's the energy potential coming from?
much of what you cultivate on your own is simply by fantastic efficiency building up
yang practices do not cultivate yin
but yin when in abundance forces yang

>>40792427
>gateway tapes
silly crutches

>>40788883 (OP)
You "learn" "just" magic, without calling upon any entities and then you use it for whatever goal. Real life is not your videogames and "black magic" is often done the same way under most traditions any other kind of it is.
So find just adecent manual or a teacher to help you develop spiritually and then you'll be able to do white, black, grey, red, striped and vomit beige magic.

That being said, if you go straight into it for the sake of curses and the like you're absolutely doomed to either just waste time and never develop much or/and fuck yourself over. Magic is not just a thing you do, it's expression of who you are - and if you'd have a clue about such things, you'd avoid staining who you are with such shit.

>>40793175
>I'm not gonna bs ya bro, you will need to put in a serious long and concerted effort to gain the requisite power to do advanced workings yourself with 0 assistance.
aye thanks for the clarification, but do you have any starting point besides meditation?
>>40793252
>So find just adecent manual
any recommendations?

>>40788883 (OP)
>how do I do something incredibly difficult, just to cause harm to others while knowing nothing about it
This will surely end well for op.
It's a shame this board is full of schizophrenic freaks and absolute idiots. I thought this board would be cool and interesting. My fault for assuming there's any light or value on this god forsaken website.

>>40793502
>do you have any starting point besides meditation?
if you wish to cultivate your own energy potential with which to do workings,
there is no other starting point

>>40788883 (OP)
Blood chaos magick or blood sorcery

bump wanna know as well

>>40792973
I do Focus 0 while walking around and doing Daoyin cultivation.

>>40793159
And you have zero potential of which to speak. Keep larping.

>>40796499
Yes Focus 0 or a similar state is necessary. DO NOT reach out, or listen for response. Any power from those sources are tricks from outside. Seek deeper, darker, heavier spaces within oneself

I just realized how evil all of you are

>>40796524
Not yet

>>40796499
daoyins are good but dont forget the legs, strength comes from them too
this is why the yin practices are so crucial
so that you can go hard on the yang practices

>>40796508
what a comeback, kid
you should get paid for doling out such vicious thrashings