I am a spiritual seeker with wisdom. If that's enough to pick your interest, ask me about spirituality, enlightenment, and related subjects. I'm happy to help. Note that kindness and an open heart are the gateway to more spiritual knowledge. First advice I'll give you: try to discern the truth in every moment that gives you an emotional reaction. If you feel angry or grieved at something that happens, meditate on the way it really is behind your emotions. Meditate on the thing that happened and see that emotion isn't necessary, because the thing itself is neither good nor bad, nor filled with the perceived emotion. This is helpful for me personally. This is called discernment and Buddhism teaches it as well, though I don't know how Buddhism understands discernment in this case. It could also be viveka, but I don't know how viveka really looks like so don't quote me on that.

Seeker. I have been greatly effected by the moon this past year. I go for long walks, ponder her, observe her. Last night I even saw a shooting star.
Seeker what is the Moon?

>>40796513 (OP)
Seeker. The moon follows me every time I go outside and I can see flashes of black lightning every time someone sins around me. In some places the very air crackles with black static implying some sort of Apocalyptic judgment. Why can't you see reality?

>>40796530
The moon is the lamp of the night, and souls that depart follow a path that is illuminated by the moon, I believe. The moon is very related to departure, if you ask me.>>40796541
I am not at enlightenment yet.

>>40796513 (OP)
since we are in some form eternal aside from our human form, while at the same time trapped in a horotic time domain by the demiurge... why care about any of this?

even the speculative measurements towards the age of the universe, along with the time until heat death, are insignificantly tiny to the eternity still left before us. in several dialogues with visitor entities, such as Eleleth, we are reminded that the other entities outside of the horos, and therefore time, are similar to us. as far as I am aware, all the El- prefix named entities from the pleroma are messenger/assistive/watchers and speak the truth- whatever that is.

being eternal entities in an infinite existence, such that even reincarnation through whatever life forms and cycles are just insignificant motes of time compared to what is left for us. the akashic records are lazily scribbled desk notes falling into a tiny wastebin when compared against eternity.

how do we escape, seeker?
how do we remove the poison of time from our eternal souls, seeker?

>>40796762
We can suppose that wisdom and knowledge is the gate to freedom. Practically, this means much contemplation and meditation and asceticism and prayer.

>>40796513 (OP)
What was Jesus and why is he still so influential after thousands of years?

>>40796513 (OP)
have you ever have out of body experience or astral project?

>>40796780
sounds cool and all, but no, contemplation, asceticism, and prayer are not going to bust us out of this time pit we are stuck in because demiurge wants to be a prick. if any of that being nice malarkey worked, the problem would've been solved by now and we wouldn't be having this conversation. additionally, if it did work, we would be beaten down into the dirt for even whispering a suggestion of doing those things.


there is no niceness here in the domain of the demiurge.

contemplate what? specifically.
meditate to what end? specifically.
pray? to whom? I want a name, location, and information on the entity hearing my prayers and doing something about it.

so between now, the end of time in this demiurge torture chamber we live in, at which point we will be cleaned of all time which has drowned and poisoned us? what does it take to make that happen, because the demiurge puts large amounts of effort in preventing it from happening naturally.

>>40796790
That's difficult to answer. I believe he was a sort of mystic who attained union with god.>>40796806
If you already know everything then don't waste my time asking me. You conceited idiot.

>>40796849
Thank you for answering.

>>40796790
He was a mystic who attained union with the godhead. Because he attained union with the godhead.>>40796806
C'mon. The demiurge is a good entity and the gnostic texts you rely on are largely forgeries. Jesus never spoke them. Barbelo itself the word is from ancient Egyptian astrology or something like that.

>>40796796
No.
>>40796854
You're welcome.

>>40796858
>demiurge is a good entity
lame. demiurge is a prick. it didn't make us, only the prison we live in. we are not free here, as we cannot leave.

what's even worse, is the other entities outside the horos, those in the pleroma, have within them the capability to free us, release us from the pain, misery, and suffering of this place, yet they do not.

the monad itself could too, but still. does not. if they were in here, as we are made of the same eternal divine sparks, why do they not rescue us, or at least provide the knowedge the mount a resistance and free ourselves?

its more than just demiurge who is the problem.

>>40796513 (OP)
I believe in the ideas that we are apart of a greater self and that our existence in this world is because of some reasons that that greater self wanted. We may be apart of a self that has lived other lives and has other experiences, and we most importantly are in this world for a purpose we ourself chose.
Yet no matter how hard I try I can't seem to find the confirmation on this within myself. I tryt o listen and do meditation stuff but I can never feel confidant I get a good answer. The only conclusions I've made are maybe this is my first human lifetime and that I am simply here to learn about what it means to be and live yet is that really true or just some cope response as I haven't found the truth. I worry that maybe these conclusions are wrong and I'm on the wrong path, but surely my greater self would set things up so that can't happen? But if so why is it so hard to feel that confirmation?

>>40796872
You clearly are very novice in this stuff and should take it more seriously. Look, the demiurge as in the archon of archons who created matter, is good. The archons are good. That's what I believe.

>>40796877
The problem is you think there's some "god", or higher self as you call it. This is not true. We are in a chaotic universe without a clear directive.

>>40796887
Sorry mistake, direction not directive. There certainly is a directive.

>>40796872
Ignorant spark that you are, for you trust language to tell you the meaning of words

The way out is death. Suicide. Easy escape.

>>40796513 (OP)
I just wanted to say hello. I don't really have questions anymore.

>>40796872
As you can see, his interpretations of that being is that he claims a lot of those original texts are fakes and forgeries, so its only natural that he would see the demiurge differently from others. Ultimately you can never really know the truth, just maneuver around the stories and hope that you are not manipulated by the words for another's benefit.

Op here I need to say this >>40796894
is not me.

>>40796900
Why not?

>>40796879
archons schmarchons. a bunch of bootlicker bitches fighting over tablescraps from the demiurge.

how about this, give me a "day in the life" of an archon. or maybe, what were the archons busy doing during the last 200 years?

in a practical sense. they are always described as "powerful" and "rulers"... of what?

planting crops? nope. we do that without the archons.

sanitation? nope.

surgery and modern medicine? nope. we have the paper trail.

science, any of it? nope, we have the paper trail.

taxes? please.

all thats left is lightning bolts, maybe a few acts of nature. as far as I am aware, we don't consult the archons for a damn thing, nor do they come around and dictate to us what to do.

they are unclean creators with an unclean creation, trapping clean entities and encrusting them with the filth of matter.

>>40796911
what does an archon do, in the most practical and paperwork laden sense.

do they get proposals from humans, giving the consent or rejection?

do they dictate to us what we are to do? build a bridge there, fight a war here, etc... so much for free will.

I want to know why these archons even deserve to be viewed as anything more than just a bunch of lackeys to us. the "arch" fails to convince me of their position above us.

>>40796911
You know the way you talk signals how you don't believe any of this. Contemplate, that is my advice.

>>40796909
>Why not?
I don't want to say I know the answers but I have seen past many illusions and peered into the soul of many and understood why they are, including myself. I just don't have any questions anymore as I feel life slip me by now despite my best attempts to grasp onto something, anything. Weirdly I am not even sad about it anymore.

>>40796927
Good. Start contemplating life and such topics every day. You need to contemplate to figure stuff out, and be at rest. Meditation, prayer most of all. These are important things.

>>40796900
>Ultimately you can never really know the truth
ditto, especially any information contained within the domain of the demiurge- everything written, spoken, recorded, whatever will have a tinge of purposeful lies. trace back that lie to the root and you will find the demiurge, no matter how small the thread is.

we can, ultimately, know the work of their hands. the demiurge and archons put this vast reality together and made sure to cause misery, suffering, pain, and other experiences which serve only to bring a sick joy and smile to the demiurge.

>>40796934
I already do. Every day. And honestly being unemployed for so long was probably a good thing so I could come to conclusions. I would be miserable making scraps that won't even be able to support myself anyway as I would exhaust myself everyday to even be able to think about anything, wondering what I am doing wrong with my life as nightmares of melancholy memories flood me.

>>40796941
It is simply a structure, a game if you will. And this game does not support certain mechanics. How can you even be aware of the concept of such mechanics if they don't even exist? It's not really important if it's malice for the sake of malice or not I think.

>>40796923
is it required to put on the soft spoken, meek, and diminuitive costume? maybe I should adopt a pious writing style.

I do, in fact, believe all this. just because these entities claim some authority over us, in addition to somehow being special or different than us, does not force my behavior.

aside from the ultimate creator, we are all equals. to have any reverence for any of them, and to change the manner, mode, and meaning of my speaking would be supplicative behavior. I refuse to allow a relationship to be formed between me and them such that they are "over" me in any sense whatsoever.

whatever authority any entity claims, demiurge, archon, or otherwise, is forfeit.

we are all equals to them, wrongs have been done to us, wrongs continue to be done to us, wrongs which are intolerable to them, and they do not come to our aid, yet demand that we should come to the aid of others when we are in their position.

we continue to suffer while they watch. they have the ability to traverse the horos and tell us the truth. they do not.

why?

as far as I am concerned, any and all religious figures owe us a fucking explanation or get the fuck out of the way. if they aren't going to help us, they never have, and never will.

we are on our own.

>>40796968
>a structure, a game if you will
ok, sure, maybe. what kind of sick game is that? create an entity only to make it play some little entertainment games for the creator? have fun doing all the spiritual enlightenment and growth only to make yourself a more variagated NPC in the big game. if that's what we have going on, why we exist, and what is in store for us in the future, and possibly eternity, then no, fuck that shit. not playing.

>>40797064
I was using it as a metaphor to explain what it's like thinking about an object or a concept that doesn't exist in the game world but we ourselves know exists in our reality. Anyway, the snake eats it's own tail to survive, to grow, to fight back stagnation and for the new to be birthed. It hurts but it has to do it. Know what I am saying? You can drink your rum at the beach all day, but the moment you want a soda that is suffering right there even if its light suffering.

>>40797152
ouroboros... another analogy meant to keep you enslaved and beneath them.

let's suppose the snake eating it's tail worked. how often does he have to eat it before some more tail grows, or does he grow from his head, or maybe somewhere in the middle. either way, the body it ate, made of spirit particles or matter particles, will digest, then be reformed into a new tail growth.

where does the outside energy come from? sounds to me like if he even spills a single crumb, and has a habit of doing that, it will waste away.

the ouroboros is a thought terminating cliche meant to hardlock your critical thinking processes into just believing that yeah, that metaphor totally works and is useful.

ouroboros is a good example of the problem with authority people need to have. these entities make wild claims that we are to be under them in some sort of hiearchy. no evidence of it, no justification, just the mind trap that the listener will put themselves in. slavery of the mind, when they pump ouroboros shit down into our brains. shit like that keeps us here.

ouroboros doesn't need to eat it's own tail to survive. that is a lie fed to us.

>>40797228
Anon, of course ouroboros isn't taking 1 for 1 equal energy conversion. I am simply discussing the idea of creation and destruction and balance. I know you think this concept is evil and I got a hard question for you but I don't expect you to answer it; What is or will be a pure and good existence without the demiurges influence to you?

>>40797258
>What is or will be a pure and good existence without the demiurges influence to you?

a face to face conversation with the ultimate creator. for me, authority has always been abused be the person exercising it, and religious entities will do so as well. for me, all entities are, at some fundamental level, created of the same "sparks" referenced in gnosticism. that is explicit is seeing every angel, demon, archon, demiurge, adam, eve, jesus, all those as equals. they will claim various types of authority over us, but it is only that, just a claim. it is not a fact, nor is it a force.

sure, demiurge could smite me into death right now, but i would still exist somewhere, and both of us being equals and under the ultimate creator, then at some point, I will come back around and rebalance the pain and suffering caused to me by the demiurge.

to answer your question, I do not believe in a type of pure or good existence. in the same sense that hobbe's leviathan acts on behalf of the ultimate creator, and therefore not capable of good nor evil, that there are yet farther places out past the supposedly infinite pleroma and totality.

fact is, I think the monad is just as much a liar as the demiurge about who they are, who we are, and what are relationship is supposed to be.

until I get conversation time with the creator, I am stuck in this eternal prison, regardless of whether or not the demiurge problem is solved. as far as I can tell, the ultimate creator has erected an impenetrable boundary between myself and it. it appears there are some entities who can cross that boundary, but it gives me the sense that the boundary is just as good for me as it is for the creator. it doesn't want me to meet it, so I won't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Omelas

it looks like that is the structure the ultimate creator used. we human are in the omelas child prison cell, and the pleroma entities, demiurge included, are the citizens of omelas.

>>40796513 (OP)
what do you think of this?
https://youtu.be/s_9FUEJ2Ac8

>>40796905
Are you sure? Looks to me like 'kys' is the best possible advice for them to take concerning "solving everyone's problem"

>>40798105
I think that's rather superstitious.

>>40796513 (OP)
What do you think of religions in general? Do each of them have a spiritual worth, or are some to be avoided? Do they contradict each other? Do you follow one?

>>40799619
'seeker' and 'interrogation' are not generally philosophically compatible

>>40799584
>superstitious
superstitious how?