>I’m going to ask you a question and either you understand or you don’t.
WHY is it that christians say their religion is the majority and dying when clearly christianity is the most mainstream religion there is?

No seriously, for perspective 31.6%(personally I think it’s higher) of earths population is christian. Thats 2.52 billion people, most of the west is predominantly christian.

Theres more christians than their root religion which is Hebrew which doesn’t even believe in jesus.

Your religion isn’t dying and throughout the decades it was used to spread and conquer westward.
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Holly wood depicting Satanism and dark things is actually to scare people into converting to christian to further spread influence and gain control over whats known as the collective consciousness.

Theres a reason the bible doesn’t mention itself or requiring it in itself, Noah didn’t have a bible nor did Abraham have any books or needed anything to find god, I also want to point out the greek’s and Egyptian’s recorded shit meticulously and theres no mention of moses or jesus.
>shit smells fishy
If you ask me this is evidence that theres some kind of secret group that has a a plan that’s roughly 4,000-5,000 years in the making to dominate the world, maybe even a ancient advanced culture or maybe not.
>personally we should pay attention to the ancient Sumerians and gobelki tempe and similar sites.
Don’t get me wrong theres evidence for the great floods sure but that event is mentioned in far older cultures than the abrahamic ones.

Here’s a simple list of cultures older than Hebrew with their flood myth and first humans:
1. Sumerian
>Flood Myth: The Epic of Gilgamesh (Utnapishtim’s flood)
>First Humans: Created by the gods (no specific names for first humans)
2. Akkadian/Babylonian
>Flood Myth: Atrahasis / Epic of Gilgamesh (Atrahasis/Utnapishtim)
>First Humans: No specific individual names, humans created by gods
3. Ancient Egyptian
>Flood Myth: The Destruction of Mankind (the flood sent by gods)
>First Humans: Shai and Renenutet (or Atum’s children in some myths)
4. Sumerian (earlier myth)
>Flood Myth: Eridu Genesis
>First Humans: Adapa (though not exactly the first, a prime ancestor)
5. Ancient Indian (Vedic/Pre-Vedic)
>Flood Myth: Manu and the fish (Matsya Purana)
>First Humans: Manu and Shatarupa
6. Chinese (ancient myth)
>Flood Myth: Gun-Yu flood myth
>First Humans: Pangu (primordial being), then Nüwa (creator of humans)
7. Greek (pre-Hebrew Indo-European)
>Flood Myth: Deucalion’s flood
>First Humans: Deucalion and Pyrrha
8. Mesopotamian (general)
>Flood Myth: Various versions including Ziusudra’s flood
>First Humans: Ziusudra (Sumerian flood survivor)

>>40877558 (OP)
Christianity isn't dying nowheree close as you pointed out

its constantly forking into new denominations

that makes denomination members feel their dnomination is dying and thus "Christianity is dying"

but no its just your local flavor

>>40877604
Thank you(?)

>>40877637
Yeah sorry I was stating the obvious through a subjective/objective point of view

e.g. maybe less people sitting in actual pews but more people watching sermons online

>>40877653
Makes sense, and I guess that feeds into the trend where christians stop going to church and worship at home.

>>40877595

One thing to point out here, when you say "list of cultures older than Hebrew" that's a bit of a misleading statement

The semitic tribes were like desert wandering tribes / caravans passing through all of those cultures you mentioned

hence why Hebrew religion ends up combining tons of stuff from these other myths

they absorbed by osmosis not just mythological theft

>>40877558 (OP)
>jesus
Horus

Horustheos
Hrsthos
Christhos
Christ

>>40877680
Yeah I meant to point that out as in such the case of the hebrews coming into contact with the Persians/Zoroastrians during their exile.

>>40877713
Absolutly yeah. Honestly we can make a strong case for "Lilith" going from Hebrew to Sumeria all the way to Egypt, found in motifs like Wadjet/Apep/Horus (Anzu bird + kil-sikil + serpent) then later "serpent in tree of wisdom" etc

>>40877680
>hence why Hebrew religion ends up combining tons of stuff from these other myths
No, Jewish lore does not go into the battle of gods, other gods, the reasons for the creation of people (according to Sumerian mythology, people were created purely because of the conflict between the gods), etc. 98% are demonized

To understand the essence of Tannin, Leviathans, you need to know Ugaritic and Sumerian mythology. Some hymns in honor of Hadad coincide with biblical hymns, because he was considered to have defeated Mot, Lot, Yam and others

but it is interesting that of all the gods, Resheph is anthropomorphically mentioned, aka Apollo and Nergal. The Egyptian plagues are reminiscent of the original Apollo, it was his profile
(he is also similar to Rudra)

>>40877706
In ancient Hebrew, there was no letter J at all. The sound we write as “J” in English didn’t exist; it was more of a “Y” sound.
>Jesus’ Hebrew/Aramaic name would have been Yeshua (יֵשׁוּעַ), which is a shortened form of Yehoshua (יְהוֹשֻׁעַ) — the same name as Joshua.
>In ancient pronunciation, it would sound closer to “Yeh-ho-shoo-ah” or “Yeh-shoo-ah”, depending on the dialect and the period.
>The “J” spelling only came into use in English after the Renaissance (around the 1500s–1600s) when the letter J split from I in European languages.

>>40877558 (OP)
Christianity is the largest and most successful evil alien psy op. You are promised Heaven if you believe the lies, and punished with hell if you don't believe the lies. God is real, but no religion gets close to depicting him. He is the multiverse, not a man in the sky. We are all fragments of God. God is also called Source. Jesus Christ lied about being God, what a dumbfuck. Don't get me started on Islam. Islam is even worse, they don't allow women freedoms.

>>40877727
You're right, a better statement than "combining stuff from these others myths" would've been "reinterpreting the motifs under a monotheistic framework"

but this happened over hundreds of years of oral storytelling so yeah, we have no idea what was lost / edited / etc.

>>40877723
>Lilith
In Sumerian mythology, after the flood, Enki personally demoness periodically kills children, mothers and single men, so that there are few people

Sumerian myth does not go into detail about the cause of the flood. For example, for the Greeks it is Atlantis + the sacrifice of a child by King Lyacon, in Zoroastrianism the flood is sent by Ahriman (that is, you see, yes, you see what is happening. They demonized the devas, from which the devil came. Deva + El = devil, look how God is in Romance (Tsagn language)

In Sumerian mythology, Enki warns about the flood, but the cause of the flood is strange, Enlil could not sleep (possibly because of the horrors happening on earth)

Enki essentially acts as Ahuramazda (they were both even associated with the star Canopus, like Varuna, the wall where the stone is, also looks at Canopus)

>>40877748
>Lilith
>Enki

Yeah check this out:
En; Lord; Diviner; Statue; Time; Mysterious; obscure background
LIL; Wind; Demon; Ghost; Phantom; Spirit [or Giant; Fallen; Nephilim = En-lil, the Lord of Demons]
Lil = wind = demon; ghost; phantom; spirit = giants afterlife
ith; IT; [d = t] id; ab; window; niche; nook; opening
gul: [gal] v., to destroy, demolish [smash]
adj., evil; enormous.
gul; gal; overwhelm
gal; storage container; basket
Hebrew Eth, in Genesis 1:1 indicates that both "the heavens" and "the earth" are the direct objects of the verb "create".
The Hebrew word "ith" is a preposition meaning with or by
Lil; wind; Demon/s
Lil-ITU
ITU; IT; ITI; [ID; = ith = itu] itud; moon; month; moonlight; Night Demon or Spirit [the Moon god / Daemon Master]
dim: n., bond, tie; rope (dam, 'spouse', modified by i, 'to sprout', long and narrow as in si) v., to make fast.
dim[GIM]: to make, fashion, create, build
(du, to build, make + im, clay, mud) [Su; (zu;) red; clay]
nisdim: post (cf., dim).
dim: n, sickness demon; pole of a water lift. adj., weak
dim4: n., begging; tendril; clinging vine (cf., dim)
v., to approach; to bow; to beg. adj., subservient; [subservience.]

>>40877748
>Enki personally demoness periodically kills children, mothers
fuck i'm drunk

enki asks the demoness to kill children and mothers sometimes, so that there would be no resettlement

>>40877727
Upon further review your comment mostly checks out, though yhwh does battle leviathan but I digress.

If anything your comment proves the existence of archetypes within the collective consciousness and I find this fascinating.

>>40877735
I agree, mostly

>>40877771
I'm the guy he was replying to but yeah its super interesting, especially the transition from Tiamat being (probably) the milky way galaxy to possibly the Leviathan in Hebrew

>>40877758
Enlil literally means the lord of the spirit and his number is 50 and it is on the 50th day that the holy spirit descends upon the apostles. El may be short for Enlil

also, so that you understand how everything is connected
valhalla is actually Bal + gallu (demons of the underworld Kur/Cur. Mercury is also connected with it. Mer Cur y)
valkyries
val(bal/vila) + kyr(Kur - sumerian underworld)
distortions occurred, but nevertheless
Odin is most likely Nergal (he was even depicted as one-eyed)

babylon
vavylon
avylon(avalon)

b and v are replaceable, baal was also known as vaal/vil/val/vel/bel/bol

>>40877782
What I'm particularly interested in is tracking the phonetic drifts of Lilith through the things we mentioned and even earlier, especially because I believe she's actually some fragment of Asherah or other female consort that ends up demonized, yet one can make a strong case that she's the Bride of Revelations

>>40877558 (OP)
It's a control mechanism, but it is in fact dying. The collective consciousness is evolving due to aliens and interest in the paranormal. That's what the whole purpose of UFO sightings, ghosts, hauntings, past life memories is. All this paranormal stuff we don't understand is what's killing religion because it makes people ask questions and then eventually wakes them up.

>>40877825
What do you think about E8 fields as nodes of travel for anomalous intelligences that may overlap with humans standing in various E8 nodes?

>>40877558 (OP)
>Holly wood depicting Satanism and dark things
you see, this right here is the whole point to the thread. OP is a glowie on damage control duty because hollywood is under heavy scrutiny right now and he is trying to slip shit here and there to make it seem like it's all some big misunderstanding lmfao.

OP is a faggot.

>>40877558 (OP)
>Theres a reason the bible doesn’t mention itself or requiring it in itself
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

OP, you're extremely stupid. It's a culmination of things happening in the Bible. No shit Abraham didn't have one, he was existing in what would eventually be recorded. You think Moses had a copy of Exodus? Are you stupid? Abraham is in Genesis, which is the first book. How, or even why would Abraham have a copy of Genesis?

To guide him where, exactly? You have no point, at all.

>>40877796
>Lilith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilu_(mythology)
In general, you shouldn't get hung up on Lilith. It's not even clear where she came from in Jewish folklore
and you shouldn't work with her, she's not innana or erikshigal, etc.

maybe it's just a Sumerian evil spirit, but I can't find analogs in other religions specifically Lilith. that is, some first woman who began to rebel and who gave birth to demons. maybe there was just some tradition, like the Phoenicians for example (the Jews are connected with them), but their mythology is almost completely destroyed

I will only note that they associated the garden of God with the mountains in Lebanon, but the same Mount Hermon is associated with the fallen angels in the books of Enoch and the Anunnaki in Sumerian-Akkadian mythology

>>40877680
>>40877713
>>40877723
>>40877748
None of you know for certain if any of this is true or even happened the way it was recorded. You guys all have as much faith in history as Christians do in the Bible. All we can do is trust that it's accurate. However, the difference between history and the Bible, is that the Bible provides you a way to receive something that will prove it true to you personally.

That's what I love about it so much.

>>40877881
>It's not even clear where she came from in Jewish folklore
>she's not innana or erikshigal

That's what I'm saying, I think "Lilith" goes even earlier.

The Huluppu tree (Anzu, kil-sikil, Anzu bird) sounds like rejection of certain Egyptian motifs

Inanna would be more of an Isis figure whereas Lilith would be more of a Wadjet figure

>>40877887
Bro, in the old testament there is a Jewish book about Jewish adventures with their god of war. Other gods (elohim) were not even denied

>>40877935
The God in the OT is Jesus.

>>40877900
Wadjet = Cobra / goddess depicted on Pharaoh's crown as the "wisdom" of the royalty

Lilith = strongly associated with Eden / forbidden apple

480 לִילִית Lilith
480 פת piece or morsel (bread, open mouth)
480 תפ Tav+Peh (sealed mouth, Yoni-mouth)

489 ת־פט Closure + Mouth + Serpent (silent)
489 ת־פהד Closure + Door-opening articulation
490 ת + מֶלֶךְ The King finalized / perfected
494 תפוח Apple, apple tree


We get a sort of motif of chthonic female wisdom being offered to divine/kings across these

>>40877900
maybe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demons_in_Mandaeism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruha
True, the Mandaeans essentially demonize the Holy Spirit and associate it with Ishtar

>>40877937
So Jesus called for genocide?

>>40877937
Matthew 12:8
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day—keep it holy.[a] 9 Six days you may labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God. You shall not do any work, either you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your work animal, or the resident alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the Lord has blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.[b]

John 1:1-3;10-11;14
1
In the beginning[b] was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2
He was in the beginning with God.
3
[c]All things came to be through him,
and without him nothing came to be.

He was in the world,
and the world came to be through him,
but the world did not know him.
11
He came to what was his own,
but his own people[g] did not accept him.

14
And the Word became flesh[i]
and made his dwelling among us,
and we saw his glory,
the glory as of the Father’s only Son,
full of grace and truth.

>>40877949
Your interpretation is faulty.

>>40877825
Let’s hope it happens quiker

>>40877942
what do you think of

>>40877941

>>40877876
My point being dummy is that you don’t need one

>>40877952
You haven't answered the question. I've read the Old Testament. Behind the beautiful sayings lies incredible cruelty. I say again that hymns in honor of Hadad were found in Ugarit that coincide with the biblical hymns, and the enemies of the Old Testament god are literally 1 to 1 enemies of Hadad.

>>40877942
Ruha

Ruha (רוּחָא) in Aramaic and related dialects literally means “spirit” or “wind”

Ra'ah (רָעָה) means “evil,” “bad,” or “wickedness.”

רָעָה (ra'ah) with qamats vowels means “evil,” “bad,” “wicked.”

But רָעָה (ra'ah) can also be a verb “to shepherd,” “to pasture,” or “to tend” (root ר-ע-ה), especially in biblical Hebrew.

>>40877961
No, (you) don't need one. Abraham had the LORD personally guiding him and sending help when necessary. The Bible is absolutely necessary so we learn from the mistakes and proper actions of the people before us who had direct experiences with God.

To the person without the holy Spirit, the Bible just seems like a bunch of books put together. But with the Holy Spirit, it becomes a Spiritual path and a roadmap to God.

>>40877967
Anyone can read anything, but not everyone is guaranteed to understand it. Israel had a lot of enemies throughout the bible and if you think it's beneath these people to spread lies and rumors about warring nations then I what more can I say other than you're extremely biased?

>>40877989

So there's no need to reinvent the wheel when the Bible is there and God graciously gives the Holy Spirit to those whom He deems worthy.

>>40877960
Sounds interesting by the way, it is worth noting that Inanna has a motif of falling
1. She descends underground to taste from the tree of knowledge and become the goddess of sex (the Sumerians had a tree underground, this is logical)
2. The temple prostitute who made Inkinda civilized is essentially connected with Inanna. We cannot make an unambiguous parallel, but we see this tradition, the trope
3. She steals the Me tablets from Enki

at some point they started to identify all the goddesses and some contradictory goddess mother virgin (isis-neith covered with a veil) came out. to understand read The Thunder, Perfect Mind -- The Nag Hammadi Library

The Gnostic Sophia is essentially this contradictory Inanna

http://www.bibleorigins.net/Pre-biblicalOriginsofEdensSerpentinMesopotamianMyths.html

however, I don't know who Lilith is

>>40877997
John 1:5

>>40878009
Amen.

>>40878008

Check this out

Proverbs 3:18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
Psalm 36:9 For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.
Isaiah 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl (Lilith) also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Song of Songs 3:6-9 Who is this coming up from the desert like a column of smoke,perfumed with myrrh and incense [...]
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

>>40877989
The Old Testament is a nationalistic book, even in the New Testament it is present (the incident with the Canaanite woman, Paul writes that the God of the Jews became the God of the pagans out of mercy)

Sorry, I can't accept it. Besides, the Jews were polytheists. you are reading the latest edition

>>40877941
>>40877942
>>40877988
>>40878008
>>40878017


270 מַרְדּוּךְ Marduk
275 רעה "ra'ah ""bad/evil"" (f.) Adjective"
275 רעה "ra‘ah ""he herded"" Verb (3rd masc. past)"
275 רעה " ro‘ah ""female shepherd"" Noun (f.)"
280 עִיר Watcher ('Ir)

290 פְּרִי Fruit

331 רפאים Repha'im (ancient giants or dead spirits)
340 עִירִין Watchers ('Irin)
345 מֹשֶׁה Moses (Mosheh)
345 אֵל שַׁדַּי El-Shaddai
352 בָשָׁן Bashan
352 קָרְבַּן Korban
358 משיח Moshiach
358 נָחָשׁ Serpent

480 לִילִית Lilith
490 ת + מֶלֶךְ The King finalized / perfected
494 תפוח Apple, apple tree

>>40878021
You fail to understand the fact that the Old Testament is just documenting God fulfilling His promise to Abraham.

>Sorry, I can't accept it. Besides, the Jews were polytheists.
Deuteronomy 6:4
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Malachi 2:10
[a]Have we not all one father?
Has not one God created us?
Why, then, do we break faith with each other,
profaning the covenant of our ancestors?

>Sorry, I can't accept it.
I know you can't. Cause your heart is stone, and that is solely to your own detriment.

At the end of the day
>picrel

>>40878055
There are too many contradictions in Abrahamism.

and I am not a Jew

I do not deny that there may be something, but I cannot accept the biblical God (especially the Old Testament, and the Old Testament takes up most of the Bible)

>>40878110
>There are too many contradictions in Abrahamism.
No contradictions, just faulty minds trying to interpret.

> but I cannot accept the biblical God
I know you can't, because your heart is stone.

>>40878110

Here's a thought experiment and if it doesn't change at least a little something for you, that's okay:

>I cannot accept the biblical God (especially the Old Testament

This is because of all the evil stuff God does right? Floods, ordering genocides etc.

And if we operate from the principals of inversion / polarity, we can see that exponentiation of Evil = exponentiation of Grace

So let's jump to New Testament and assume that Jesus is 'literally' God in the flesh, here to repent for our sins

But some of those sins are sins that God instructed us to do (bronze age genocide, etc)

so in a way, God is also repenting for His own sins and saying "sorry" to us

And with that in mind the question becomes, if you can't accept God's apology, what good are your own?

Just a thought to chew on or dismiss

>>40878144
>But some of those sins are sins that God instructed us to do (bronze age genocide, etc)
Complete and utter blasphemy to claim God is capable of sinning. Sin is the action of going against God's will. God cannot sin, because God doesn't make mistakes.

>>40878144
And God would never instruct anyone to sin, because He doesn't want any of us sinning and to be the source of someone elses sin is a sin in and of itself.

>>40878152
>>40878157
Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

>>40877558 (OP)
>WHY is it that christians say their religion is the majority
Because they live in the West and it is dying in Western countries.
>when clearly christianity is the most mainstream religion there is?
Going mainstream these days means throwing away your values to fit in.

>>40878165
God committing atrocities to His own people isn't a sin. They are punished when deserving of it. In Exodus, the LORD was ready to get rid of half the Israelites in the desert but Moses insisted that he doesn't.

Let me ask you something, do you think this was a mistake of God, or a test to see if Moses truly is capable of leading the Israeites?

>>40878174
I think it's evidence of God being able to think "evil" (destructive) thoughts and then feeling remorseful. Even earlier He "lamented" us as His creations.

So yes I believe God is capable of objectively "evil" acts under His own criteria and also capable of feeling "remorseful" about them.

So it seems my point would stand that the Crucifix is a mutual apology and that supports the idea of a new covenant being created, a clean slate. Blood for blood.

>>40878189
>I think it's evidence of God being able to think "evil"
1 John 1:5
This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Blasphemy. You know nothing.

>>40878189
>So it seems my point would stand that the Crucifix is a mutual apology and that supports the idea of a new covenant being created, a clean slate. Blood for blood.
You clearly don't understand the crucifix narrative. That was fixing a mistake humans made, a mistake that only God could fix.

>>40878192
So
1) You reject the OT scriptures where God turns away from or laments on evil thoughts
2) You reject the idea of God apologizing through the Crucifix

Which brings me to:

If you cannot accept God's apology, what good are ever your own? Do you walk around thinking that you can do objectively "evil" things for a "good reason" and never have to feel any remorse about it?

>>40878202
>1) You reject the OT scriptures where God turns away from or laments on evil thoughts
I don't reject anything but your misunderstanding of what is happening.

>2) You reject the idea of God apologizing through the Crucifix
Yes, because God didn't make that mistake, Adam and Eve did. So there is no need for God to apologize for anything. You're a complete idiot if you think otherwise.

His sacrifice was to correct things that humans are incapable of correcting. He did us the honor when He didn't have to. It was because He loves us, not because He was apologizing for anything. You clearly understand nothing.

>>40877595
When the tower of Babel fell, language itself was confused and to that end reality itself. These events you have mentioned never happened, their "evidence" was inserted into history by God.


>Noah didn’t have a bible nor did Abraham have any books or needed anything to find god
Before you are born and after you die you are no longer subject to time. When Jesus died his sacrifice applied to everyone who has ever, or will ever live.

>>40878202
>Do you walk around thinking that you can do objectively "evil" things for a "good reason" and never have to feel any remorse about it?
Isaiah 55:8-9


8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
nor are your ways my ways—oracle of the Lord.
9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways,
my thoughts higher than your thoughts.

One of your main issues is trying to bring God down to the equivalent of man, which is a huge mistake and is what I believe the root cause to your faulty interpretation.

>>40878216
You didn't answer my last question and I think I know why.

You DO think you're allowed to commit "evil acts" for a "good reason" and never feel remorse about it.

So you're rejecting clear meanings in the Old Testament while also positioning yourself as more morally coherent than God Himself.

Meanwhile calling me the blasphemer.

Truly fascinating mental gymnastics, anon, you're a half-step away from believing yourself to be your own Logos.

>>40878222
Just furthering my point in
>>40878224

Yes, God's ways are not your ways. Because while God feels remorse for objectively 'evil' thoughts, apparently you think you don't have to as long as they're functionally "good".

Thus, you believe you're more morally coherent than God Himself.

Amazing.

>>40878240
>Because while God feels remorse for objectively 'evil' thoughts
This is your faulty interpretation of the Bible lol. You have no point and have ignored most of the things I'm saying while continuing to try and reiterate a point that has already been disproven. I can tell you know nothing because of how you see things happening in the Bible.

>>40878249
There's nothing left to further discuss. All I've learned from you today is that you believe your own moral framework to be above God's, by explicitly rejecting His own moral framework in Old Testament.

I can't argue with a blasphemer who believes themself to be holy.

>>40878263
>There's nothing left to further discuss.
I wholeheartedly agree. Farewell.

>>40878144
>>40878157
>>40878165
God in the old testament has a character, preferences, strange requests. He FLYS ON CHERUBIM. I know many myths and have seen many repeating symbols, patterns, tropes, descriptions, there is something, but it is not a fact that in the old testament there is some kind of absolute (the absolute cannot choose a side)

most likely it was some kind of paleocontact

>>40878360
1. Adam = Man
2. Seth = Appointed
3. Enosh = Mortal
4. Cainan = Sorrow
5. Mahalalel = The Blessed God
6. Jared = Shall come down
7. Enoch = Teaching
8. Methuselah = His death shall bring
9. Lamech = The despairing
10. Noah = Rest

Jesus is the God in the OT. OT is God fulfilling His promise to Abraham. NT is the new covenant that fixed the problem Adam and Eve brought into the world. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>40878360
Yeah. The OT mysticism is badass. It makes me sad so many Christians today focus on literalist interpretations of NT, while dismissing or handwaving OT as good moral stories and symbols.

My Jesus is a 4D apache helicopter.

>>40878381
2 Corinthians 3:7-18
7 [f]Now if the ministry of death,[g] carved in letters on stone, was so glorious that the Israelites could not look intently at the face of Moses because of its glory that was going to fade, 8 how much more[h] will the ministry of the Spirit be glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation was glorious, the ministry of righteousness will abound much more in glory. 10 Indeed, what was endowed with glory has come to have no glory in this respect because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was going to fade was glorious, how much more will what endures be glorious.

12 Therefore, since we have such hope,[i] we act very boldly 13 and not like Moses,[j] who put a veil over his face so that the Israelites could not look intently at the cessation of what was fading. 14 Rather, their thoughts were rendered dull, for to this present day[k] the same veil remains unlifted when they read the old covenant, because through Christ it is taken away. 15 To this day, in fact, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts, 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit,[l] and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 [m]All of us, gazing with unveiled face on the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as from the Lord who is the Spirit.

>>40878055
Not that anon but this only shows how retarded you are, the hebrews weren’t originally monotheistic not until they crossed paths with the Persians and assimilated the Persians beliefs, that being Zoroastrianism.
1. El
>Role: Chief god, creator, patriarch of the pantheon.
>Titles: “El Elyon” (God Most High), “Father of Years.”
>Attributes: Wise, ancient, associated with authority and kingship.
>Consort: Asherah.
2. Asherah (Athirat)
>Role: Mother goddess, consort of El.
>Titles: “Lady of the Sea,” “Mother of the Gods.”
>Attributes: Fertility, motherhood, and protection. In some early Israelite contexts, she may have been venerated alongside Yahweh.
3. Baʿal (Hadad)
>Role: Storm and fertility god.
>Titles: “Rider on the Clouds.”
>Attributes: Thunder, rain, agriculture.
>Rivalries: Often battles Mot (death) and Yam (sea).
4. Anat
>Role: Warrior goddess and sister/consort of Baʿal.
>Attributes: Fierce in battle, also connected with fertility.
5. Yam
>Role: God of the sea (chaos waters).
>Attributes: Represented primal chaos, often antagonistic toward Baʿal.
6. Mot
>Role: God of death and the underworld.
>Attributes: Associated with drought and sterility.
>Myth Cycle: Fights Baʿal in the seasonal cycle of life and death.
7. Shapash
>Role: Sun goddess.
>Attributes: Bringer of light, acts as messenger among gods.
8. Resheph
>Role: God of plague and war.
>Attributes: Often associated with archery and disease.
9. Kothar-wa-Khasis
>Role: Craftsman god, divine artisan.
>Attributes: Maker of weapons and palaces for the gods.
yhwh was a minor deity around this time worshipped here and there by nomadic tribes, I’ll make a second comment about hat.

>>40878380
First of all, you should know that the Jews tried to separate the human race from the race of Cain, but Cain = Seth (he even sounds like the Egyptian Seth the fratricide. He is also Romulus-Quirinus). The names of their children are similar. You do not even know that Cain means spear (like Quirinus), you do not know that Tubalcain/Tubalcain = Vulcan (aka Hephaestus). Tu-BAL-Cain. Doesn't anything confuse you? (b and v are interchangeable)

Most likely, Cain is Cronus, where the r is missing (Cronus was the father of gods and people)
Cannibal
Cainbal

>>40878388
Precisely. I think we're in many ways agreeing even though a slight point of tension.

Reading the OT and following its laws and customs is the veil, since the temple now dwells in you.

But reading the OT as a blueprint of a script that God enters in New Testament, we see that Jesus confirmed much of the OT mysticism while also freeing us from the old covenant.

>>40878423
Solid data + research anon, hats off. You're really helping solidify some of my own research and syntheses.

YHWH’s Origins
>Earliest mentions: In Egyptian inscriptions from the 14th–12th centuries BCE (e.g., Soleb temple inscription under Amenhotep III and an inscription from Amara West), there’s reference to “Shasu of Yhw” — the Shasu being nomadic or semi-nomadic tribes from the region of Edom, Seir, and Midian (south of Canaan, near the Gulf of Aqaba).
This strongly suggests Yahweh was originally the tribal god of these southern nomadic groups before being adopted into the Canaanite highlands.
Relationship to El
>In the Canaanite pantheon, El was the head god with many sons — each often patron deity of a people or region.
>When the Israelites emerged as a distinct group, they adopted Yahweh as their patron deity and identified him as a son of El Elyon.
Deuteronomy 32:8–9 in the Dead Sea Scrolls reads:
>“When El Elyon divided the nations, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of El; Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance.”
This directly reflects the idea of Yahweh as one of El’s divine sons.
Absorption into Monotheism
>Over time (especially from the late monarchic period into the Babylonian exile), Yahweh absorbed the identity and attributes of El, effectively replacing him as the “Most High.”
>By the Persian period, the older divine family model was erased in official theology — leaving Yahweh as the sole god, with other deities reclassified as “angels” or “false gods.”

>>40878423
You know nothing and can only rely on what you've learned from word of mouth, no different than what is openly available in the Bible. You are just trusting someone else's input rather than what the Bible makes clear.

>>40878424
>>Jews tried to separate the human race
provide the verses found in the Bible that show this.

I don't need to know any of the other things, because it's the equivalent of useless reddit tidbits of useless and more importantly, false info.

>>40878428
No we're not. We already had a discussion yesterday, in which you couldn't answer my question about why gematria wasn't used to properly interpret the various prophecies found in the OT about Jesus coming down to earth and why these people where caught by surprise when you claim gematria can explain deep secrets of the Bible.

>>40878423
>8. Resheph
An interesting point is that Resheph was identified with Nergal, and him with Heracles and Baal Haddad, Santa/Sandos

it seems like the same person

btw there is an opinion that Susano no Mikoto is Haddad. He is also a dragon slayer, but an exiled one, a civilizer, but aggressive, later he goes to a parallel world and is associated with the plague
(he himself was described with a bull's head)

>>40878454
>We already had a discussion yesterday

Was it in the thread about Saul/Paul as the biblical beast?

Do you remember your question? There was a lot going on in that thread.

>>40878467
Yes and I don't care for your answer because I know what I know. The question was more to prove a point rather than hear your answer, because I know you know nothing.

>>40878454
>provide the verses found in the Bible that show this.
they have the same children

>>40878483
So no verse in the Bible, got it.

>>40878461
More evidence for the existence of archetypes, we can safely assume either at the root of all this is some kind of advanced civilization or something metaphysical, there has to be a reason these archetypical characters repeat in stories.
>what are your thoughts to what this all leads back to.

>>40878499
What do you think of
>>40878438

>>40878487
>there was no text editing

>>40878499
Wait I forgot to mention these archetypes are evidence for shared unconscious and collective consciousness

>>40878509
Lmao just what I typed here >>40878509 I think the reason why so many of these actually repeat now that I think of it is do to collective consciousness, we all are consciousness existing on the same wavelength or something and thus we share data back and forth and repeat old data.

>>40878541
Our thinking is in perfect alignment and I want to get to the root of all this, the Source and the Bride

>>40878541

>>40878541
>>40878598
What do you think of Mobius Strip + E8 field theory as nodes or points of contact for anomalous intelligences to emerge as archetypal resonances in human consciousness, perhaps even genuine "other" contact

>>40878603
To over simplify things are you asking that if patterns give way to consciousness ? I’m trying to understand.

>>40878755
No I'm asking if our entire universe is some kind of field of information with geometric properties and there are higher or other intelligences (think "alien intelligences" but not literally martians) that travel along geometric nodes and humans occupy certain nodes that allow for some sort of crossover

how you align with a node that allows a certain entity or archetypical intelligence to contact you in a genuine ontological way is the name of the game

>>40878759
Ohhh, yeah that makes more sense, I’d argue that field of information is consciousness, we exist in a denser layer of consciousness and our individual consciousness exist on another field called the collective consciousness.

To an extent I agree with what you say, but I feel that the amount of agency we truly have is being hid from is.

>>40878870
Because we're pregnant with information and you don't get to choose when to give birth

it simply erupts

>>40878217
>When Jesus died his sacrifice applied to everyone who has ever or will ever live.
This. That is why Jesus went to the dark side of heaven (Luke 16) to offer His Word of salvation to those who died before He defeated death on the cross.

>>40877558 (OP)
>when clearly christianity is the most mainstream religion there is?
its not though? islam is the most popular religion in the world

>>40877558 (OP)
>when clearly christianity is the most mainstream religion there is?
it's not almost vast majority of "christians" are not christians themselves you know what mainstream religion there is? monitary system

>>40880508
It grew the fastest between 2010 and 2020, but Christianity is still the largest in terms of number of followers.

>>40877989
>the bible is absolutely necessary
>it's impossible to go to God and ask what man fucked up
>have to read the books
Even though they're written by Greeks in 200 BC based on what Canaanite priests remember from 1500 years of oral tradition?

>>40881643
You don't understand how the Holy Spirit works, so you try to rationalize what's happening in the Bible with the little you understand.

>>40882897
>how the Holy Spirit works

How
?

>>40883156
He has schizophrenia

>>40877558 (OP)
It's dying in the sense that no one is practicing the Lords commandments and have become too liberal with the word.
allowing Churches to hang Pride Flags. Pride is a Sin and so is Homosexuality. being a Homosexual doesn't exclude you from going to church but don't expect a "God set in his ways" to bend the rules for you.

this is how the Christian Faith is dying off. because they're dissolving the word.

>>40882897
>no you don't understand how the Holy Spirit (which is everywhere) works, you can only get it in the bible
Protty conjecture, and not the truth as far as I've experienced.

>>40877763
>enki asks the demoness to kill children and mothers sometimes, so that there would be no resettlement
>>40877748
>Sumerian myth does not go into detail about the cause of the flood. For example, for the Greeks it is Atlantis + the sacrifice of a child by King Lyacon, in Zoroastrianism the flood is sent by Ahriman (that is, you see, yes, you see what is happening. They demonized the devas, from which the devil came. Deva + El = devil, look how God is in Romance (Tsagn language)
>In Sumerian mythology, Enki warns about the flood, but the cause of the flood is strange, Enlil could not sleep (possibly because of the horrors happening on earth)
>Enki essentially acts as Ahuramazda (they were both even associated with the star Canopus, like Varuna, the wall where the stone is, also looks at Canopus)
interesting
>>40877782
>also, so that you understand how everything is connected
>valhalla is actually Bal + gallu (demons of the underworld Kur/Cur. Mercury is also connected with it. Mer Cur y)
>valkyries
>val(bal/vila) + kyr(Kur - sumerian underworld)
>distortions occurred, but nevertheless
>Odin is most likely Nergal (he was even depicted as one-eyed)
>babylon
>vavylon
>avylon(avalon)
>b and v are replaceable, baal was also known as vaal/vil/val/vel/bel/bol
extremely interesting

>>40877937
>The God
that's singular, silly. reread the OT

>>40878008
>Sounds interesting by the way, it is worth noting that Inanna has a motif of falling
>1. She descends underground to taste from the tree of knowledge and become the goddess of sex (the Sumerians had a tree underground, this is logical)
>2. The temple prostitute who made Inkinda civilized is essentially connected with Inanna. We cannot make an unambiguous parallel, but we see this tradition, the trope
>3. She steals the Me tablets from Enki
>at some point they started to identify all the goddesses and some contradictory goddess mother virgin (isis-neith covered with a veil) came out. to understand read The Thunder, Perfect Mind -- The Nag Hammadi Library
>The Gnostic Sophia is essentially this contradictory Inanna
interesting if true because that implies they used knowledge as an allegory for sex even back then

>at some point they started to identify all the goddesses and some contradictory goddess mother virgin (isis-neith covered with a veil) came out. to understand read The Thunder, Perfect Mind -- The Nag Hammadi Library
>The Gnostic Sophia is essentially this contradictory Inanna
>http://www.bibleorigins.net/Pre-biblicalOriginsofEdensSerpentinMesopotamianMyths.html
>however, I don't know who Lilith is

>>40883959
>interesting if true because that implies they used knowledge as an allegory for sex even back then

All thoughout OT, sexual intercourse is to "know" someone

>>40883974
I do wonder, is it called Tree of Knowledge because It teaches you how to ruin kingdoms and people with the power of sex? it would explain the motif because it is not the motif, it's just a general story about how sex ruins you.
perhaps political blackmail via sex is just more of the same.

>>40884035
The dark side of sex is lust
The light side of sex is sacred intimacy
The tree of knowledge teaches you both
The Bride in the wilderness inverts them
To ascend to Heaven you must be reborn
in the WOMB, in spirit
The Bride is the womb

>>40884035
>>40884090

In words desiring sacred intimacy (eros) with the feminine aspect of the divine.

You literally have to go into the wilderness and make love to God's bride.

>>40884035
the “bride makes herself ready” (Rev. 19:7)

she’s actively taking partners into her tent in the wilderness to restore the Edenic bond.

sacred intimacy with the Bride = knowing the forbidden knowledge

the apple is the sweetest peach

>>40877558 (OP)

I think Jesus existed, but like literally everything in history, was warped and changed radically. In the movie the last temptation of christ, in a dying hallucination(?) he thought about what it would be like to not sacrifice himself for man, to be given a second chance and just live as a guy. During that period he meets a jew who's preaching of christ's sacrifice. Jesus asks him what his deal is, and the jew says 'it doesn't matter if you didn't do it, the story is convenient.'

I found it strange how nobody else I was watching the movie with thought how fucked up that scene was.

From what I can discern, this is what I believe to be the truth:
Jesus was an enlightened individual with a massive capacity for thought and understanding. Unfortunately, you cannot teach highly advanced math and philosophy to people who thatch roofs and stomp around in mud for a living. They'll call you a psycho and throw rocks at you.

The word Divine means of or relating to god, and it can mean to understand or discover. I think those are basically synonyms.

Jesus did his best to teach people modes of thought to divine the way to higher consciousness and understanding. Unfortunately, taking those lessons too literally (heaven being a state of being, angels are the residents) will mistake them and devote their life to what is essentially escapism. Some find comfort in that, and that's why it's so difficult to address that mistake. Why would you want to ruin a person's comfort after all?

>>40877668
Which is the right thing to do, imo, religious institutions have caused probably more harm to humanity than anything else. They are just bamboozling people and exerting control in their power hunger. Personal faith is perfectly fine.

The entire religion is about victimhood they love playing the victim many of them shoot rope over fantasies of martyrdom

>>40877558 (OP)
You are assuming that every person in christian countries are christians, when in reality half of them are atheist, agnostics, or from other religions. The number of atheists/agnostics increased, and the number of religious people decreased.

>>40877595
Is this post supposed to be in favour or against believing the flood story?