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Any anons here have an experience that made them FULLY believe in God/magic/the paranormal? I've had a few things happen that make me a soft believer but those things can be explained away. I want to hear people be fully convinced that they experienced something extraordinary

>>40972444 (OP)
Yeah, after ethereal visitation, an object changed in front of my eyes. That proved it wasn't an overactive imagination.
>what
Doesn't matter and I ask people what it was if they claim to know everything.

>>40972444 (OP)
mandela effect, simple as

>>40972444 (OP)
I met God. I remember dying. I have a memory from before I was born. Yes it sounds crazy, I cannot prove it's real (just like all memories thinking about it) but they are some of the strongest memories I have.

>>40972444 (OP)
some jews blackmailed God into gangstalking me. But then me and God teamed up and got them back.

I kicked a rock once.

>>40972444 (OP)
No, but to be fair, it doesn't take much for some people. A cup falls from a table and suddenly they're true believers in ghosts

Precognition.
No, you don't want it.

>>40972451
Honestly, the closest thing is this.

Come on, the Fruit of the Loom logo had the cornucopia, all of us who were alive in the 70s/80s/90s know it. Something weird as fuck is going on with that.

>>40972739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grqNQsvz9JI

>>40972444 (OP)
After many months of prayer and meditation, I came to the conclusion that the Biblical story of creation, as described in the Book of Genesis, is an allegorical account of human [i.e. Homo Sapiens] prehistory. "Adam" represents the Jebel Irhoud culture. Cain and Seth represent the Mousterian and Aterian cultures. Noah represents the Ancient North Eurasian culture, and the bloodlines of his sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth are the Y-DNA haplogroups "R1a", "R1b", and "Q". I won't elaborate because I don't particularly want to, but it was these discoveries that helped me piece the *real* story of human prehistory together.

Yes, I'm the dude from Anon Meets Ishtar greentext

>>40972444 (OP)
I don't need to believe in what I understand to be real.
I grew up in a house full of ghosts. I never saw them, but I certainly felt their presences and could determine what they were like.
1/2
>Old woman
She was benevolent and haunted the entire house. Sometimes when I couldn't sleep, she would come into my room and I would feel the temperature drop. When she did this, I would immediately go to sleep. She interacted with my mum the most and seemed to like that there was a family living in her house.
>Mum was ready to pass on the house, but the old woman put thoughts in her head to buy the place
>Helped my mum learn piano by guiding her hands
>Found small missing things and put them in the middle of the front room where my mum would find them
My dad caught a glimpse of her walking around the house in broad daylight while my parents were moving out. He thought it was my mum and offered her a cup of tea. When he got no answer and went to check on her, no one was there. My mum was outside at the time.
>The old dog
My sister's bedroom had a ghost of an old dog that was desperate to leave the room, but couldn't. She moved her bed so that her feet were pointing out the door and the ghost got even more frantic. There was an old chimney in the corner which was boarded up. Around the time that ghost went silent, a dead bird fell down the chimney, which is odd because my dad and his friends put a big stone slab on top of that chimney before my sister was even born. When the bird was found (by smell), the slab was revealed to be completely gone.

>>40974589
2/2
>The two miners
All my siblings had experiences with these ghosts until another one of us came along. They were two big men haunting, probably from the local gold mine when it opened up. They hated children, especially small children. They didn't want us there. If you entered the hallway at night, one would stand in front and the other would stand behind and you knew they wanted to hurt you, but couldn't. They vanished when my parents renovated the kitchen and extended it into part of the hallway.
>The old man
Long before I was born, there was a spritely old man who would cut through the property and walk up the side of the house. This was because we lived on a corner and there was no front fence or side gate for a long time. He would zip through with such speed that my parents never caught him. As soon as the side gate was installed, he stopped coming through. His route through went right past my bedroom window. Sometimes at night, I could see a slightly hunched man's shadow and hear him trudging past. It scared the shit out of me and I would scream in terror. It was enough of a problem my parents ended up moving me into a room on the other side of the house. He wasn't malevolent, I just instinctively knew that what he was wasn't supposed to be there.

All of my siblings believe in the paranormal except one of my brothers. He is and outspoken atheist and is adamant that ghosts don't exist, despite interacting with more supernatural beings than any of my immediate family. He's exactly the type to be the most afraid of ghosts.

>>40974598
>They were two big men haunting [the hallway]
>He is [an] outspoken atheist
Please excuse me, I seem to have come across all retardy.

>>40974451
>Yes, I'm the dude from Anon Meets Ishtar greentext
Link? I wasn't into this shit until Aphrodite visited me, who doesn't identify as Ishtar but affirmed she was who the "story" was based on. I'm not saying you're full of it because it's hypothetically possible she larped as Ishtar for convenience, just curious.

>>40972444 (OP)

Shadow people and orbs.
There's also many other things like synchronicities and magic.

>>40972444 (OP)
Explaining everything away relies on a presuppositional frame that supernatural occurrences can't happen - so you filter everything through that presuppositional lense.

An equally baseless position is the presuppositinal stance that supernatural things do happen - and then if it can't easily be explained naturalistically your frame is big enough to fit the unexplainable

And its by that very openess of frame that you can see more and more over time.

They're both unfalsifiable pressupositionalism - so why not choose then more expansive one, leave room for things outside the material realm.

The big bang itself is a cosmic paradox so the naturalistic paradigm kinda has non material existence built in from the start, they just push it as far back as possible cause it give a feeling of control and security as a little dying vessel on a pebble in infinite space. Huge bummer of a world frame if you ask me

>>40974811
>The big bang itself is a cosmic paradox
It's that nothing at all makes sense as the beginning of any reality. Even if there's nothing, that's something. It's a "zone" of reality with a feature of emptiness. Hurts to think about.

>>40974819
The nothing would have to have latent potentiality therefore making it something already even if not manifest.

>Panentheistic emanations makes much more sense in my opinion.

Undifferentiated totality emanates an ordering principle and through that ordering principle self emposes constraints like space - time to allow for the finite expression of the contents of totality in an experiecial way.

Experientially nothing would need ro be different then the big bang model, but ontologically the starting point is Everything not Nothing

Maybe everything is fundamentally relational to nothing, making them two faces of the same eternal everything.

Either way, from nothing, nothing comes as far as I can grasp.

>>40972444 (OP)
yeah, my buddy was in the hospital and it was looking bad. i was in a rough spot and he said the doctors said he might die, so i drank as much as i could. i went to church as a kid and i just cried and begged God and jesus was there, like i saw him there. it wasnt like seeing a normal person. it was warm and loving and it let me know i was ok, i was drunk so i figured in the morning i made it all up but my buddy texted me that day to let me know hed be fine, praise God Christ is King

>>40975024
Uh huh, but think about the least that can possibly exist, like no space, no time, no rules of physics. Still, what caused that? I'm not asking you to answer it because it's impossible afaik, just think about it.

>Any anons here have an experience that made them FULLY believe in God/magic/the paranormal?
living, mostly.

>>40972444 (OP)
Always was a "I want to believe" hopeful skeptic. Tried remote viewing on a whim after seeing an infographic on here. Vividly saw a lightning strike in my mind, and when I clicked on the answer it was a picture of a discharging tesla coil. Creeped me the fuck out.

belief is when you are still just guessing.. or otherwise trusting others to deliver knowledge to you blindly. real actual knowing only comes from direct experience.
direct experience is not a matter of convincing. you don't have to believe in your own experience.. you have only to recall it accurately and relate it honestly.
>>40972444 (OP)
i have had many experiences that cumulatively spell out a very different version of reality than most other humans believe they are experiencing.

anyone reciting the dogmatic words provided by others who is not simply directly able to describe their own personal experience honestly is not fully engaging in perception and is involved in rhetorical recitation as a means of attempting to turn a belief into a declared truth unduly. honest description does not require a label of a presumed known entity to be applied.

any word that is not simply direct description is not perception based. how do you know it was "insert label here"?
you don't. you have arbitrary declaration and nothing more to prop up dogmatic rhetoric in which you have been indoctrinated.

in the realm of direct perception there is no 'god'.. no 'demon'.. no 'angle'

describe honestly what you have seen or experienced and examine your perceptions themselves and your state of consciousness at the time. real things can be perceived.. but delusions supporting rhetorical indoctrinated belief is not founded in perception.

>>40972543
there is a bit more to it than that.. there are very real things that can be perceived and are definitely able to move physical matter. perception of them does not grant one perfect scientific knowledge of what they have perceived or even by what means they were able to perceive the phenomena. the current science is not able yet to take the measure of all that goes on within our consciousness. someday when the actual cognitive data including all aspects of the functions and processes of perception will be observable within the mind..

>>40972459
What was that memory anon?>>40972739
For me, it's the Britney Spears microphone
>>40974589
I know a lot of people who have experiences like this, just knowing ghosts are around. I wish I knew what that felt like. I feel bad for the dog :(
>>40974811
Cool mindset anon, I like it
>>40975135
I'm kind of jealous of this kind of experience. Not the friend dying but feeling comfort from another reality.

It's not a singular experience, but a totality of experience.

Belief in God is tied to life experience. The more you have, the more you believe. Whenever I meet someone who is an atheist, they are ALWAYS without exception a shut-in who only plays video games, never went to parties and had fun, never kissed a girl, doesn't read books, never watched a sunset on a beach in another continent, has never created anything but only passively consumed, and has not experienced the potential for beauty in this ugly world. They only know the narrow box of "reality" that they have allowed the elites define for them.
When I meet an atheist it just instantly tells me everything I need to know about their personality and how I don't want to waste time with them and their negative energy. Like how someone who is fat tells you that they just watch Netflix all day.

>>40977437
>just knowing ghosts are around. I wish I knew what that felt like
It's hard to explain. The presence of a ghost is like if someone is standing there, but you're too scared to look, as if seeing them will kill you instantly even if they are benevolent. When you look, there's nothing there. You kind of develop a feeling of what they were like in life after repeated interactions. It's very rare for a ghost to actually be seen by anyone in real life.
My mum and my sister have both been visited by ghosts of recently deceased relatives. They are always just checking in and reassure the dreamer that everything is going to be fine. The anomaly here is that my grandfather died when I was 14, visited my mum and my sister in their dreams, then came back to visit my sister 14 years later when my grandmother was about to die. My sister couldn't remember what his message was, but my grandmother died a week later.
I've been visited by ghosts too, but only cats. One was my childhood pet who came to visit two years after he died and the other was my ex-girlfriend's cat letting me know she'd died.

>>40977538
>My mum and my sister have both been visited by ghosts of recently deceased relatives [in their dreams].
>I've been visited by ghosts [in my dreams] too
Shit, I still recovered from being retardy.

>>40977543
*haven't recovered
Fuck me.

Fuck I don't even know where to start. Probably posted some of this stuff in other threads over the past couple weeks, but just a couple short examples.
A Guiding Angel in my Dreams
A Phantom of a black dog seen twice in broad daylight
A hissing and movement felt in a bed when heard when waking when sleeping a room not normally slept in

Ohhh annd uhhh

Mother fucker getting shot and the bullets that would've killed someone else only leaving burn marks behind... I mean... shit.. fuckk. whoa..
I'm good but like damn yeah that happened awhile ago but it wasn't until someone reminded me of that fact recently that I appreciated it.

The even bigger one was hearing Her voice during waking hours.

>>40975145
Well yeah, if you deduce it structurally
>we must all admit there is order
>so if there is a time when order existed without distinction or constraint
>then there is just the order of potentiality
>with no manifestation

So in a sense the symbol of the cosmic egg
>All potential
>No manifestation
>Its everything because it contains, everything in potential state
>and its nothing because nothing is yet manifest
>but the pattern of ordered potential must preexist even that
>otherwise it could never 'become' manifest