Thread 40976293

Every time I try to comprehend why the universe came into being I get overwhelmed by the thought of how there's something instead of nothing.

>quantum fluctuations
>what the fuck does that mean where did that come from
>uhhh...
fucking kek

>>40976293 (OP)
This is not a concept a human mind can completely comprehend and that's okay. Also the universe did not "come to be" it always was.

>>40976293 (OP)
God spoke it into existence.

kletetschka-2025-three-dimensional-time-a-mathematical-framework-for-fundamental-physics.pdf
just stop using bad physics smdh

>>40977936
Is God all-knowing and has he always existed?

>>40977936
Has it always been there or did God speak it into existence?
>>40977306

>>40976293 (OP)
Is nothing even real? Or just a concept we invented?

>>40976293 (OP)
Start with answering the most basic question, "Why do I care?" You could be experiencing the present moment for what it is rather than reaching beyond it for meaning that will wither and die regardless.

>>40976293 (OP)
>I get overwhelmed by the thought of how there's something instead of nothing.
This is what made me stop believing in religion and the big bang. I believe the universe always existed and that it will continuously exist infinitely. Currently, we are in the beginning stages of a universe where expansion happens while the last big bang cools down. The long standing theory is that this universe will continuously expand until everything is cold or the very fabric of space rips apart.

This is incorrect. Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. Hawking proved black holes turn matter into energy. Eventually, the universe will begin to heat up again from these black holes and cause deflation. So much compression and heat will cause the next big bang, turning energy back into matter.

This has happened infinitely and will continue to happen infinitely. Every possibility within the laws of physics has occured and will continue to occur infinitely. We have been here posting on the schizo board infinitely, and will continue to post here infinitely. It will take an astronomical amount of cycles to be here again, but we will. We are concious versions of the universe observing itself. This is quantum immortality.

If you want to research this I would look up Roger Penrose's cyclic universe theory

>>40976293 (OP)
>I get overwhelmed by the thought of how there's something instead of nothing.
I'd like to add to what this anon >>40979314 wrote.
Personally, the greater mystery is not why anything exists, but why Consciousness exists. It's self-evident to me that I'm a conscious entity. I can wrap my head around the logical inevitability that all concepts and algorithms are not created but discovered, and that they are eternally there to be observed in all their illusory projections, shapes and programming. But, I can't wrap my head around myself, the Consciousness that is there to experience and represent them in the apparent creative process.
Who am I? Academically, I recognize the answer is probably God, and that God is probably the only thing that Exists, because anything less than "All That Is", or the "Uncreated Existence" itself, I cannot recognize as the entirety of God. This also means that God by definition at least encompasses Consciousness, Truth, and all Concepts. But I don't understand it experientially, in this human condition.
>tldr: the deeper question imo is not "wtf is this" but "who tf am I"

>>40976293 (OP)
Primate brains aren't great at Inversive manifold thought processing, but they CAN do it.

Alright, with that out of the way. Let's make this conceptually easier to digest.

Consider a being that has mastered all forms of logic and technology.
No scarcity. The ability to manipulate space-time at will.

Let's go ahead and crank it up, say this being achieves full omnipotence.
Mastery of time and space.

Does it matter when or where, it's origin is?
If it can affect the causality of it's own existence?
Let's label this being God. Our own hypothetical God, not the religious zealot one, although we'll reference an early religious statement, as a backboard of pragmatic exploration.

>In the beginning God created.

God doesn't give a shit, where God begins or ends. Creation is exactly when and where God decides.

God could have placed creation, before themself, to ensure their own creation, and by free edit of causality, from a human perspective, God is before the nothing, even if God's perspective differs, God's perspective chooses the when and where.

OP, watch this.

https://youtu.be/a2jGczO-nGM

Then this.

https://youtu.be/wfYbgdo8e-8

Then remember, Blue Eisenhower November .

The three word phrase, used by humans that are waking up from the dream of being a primate on a rock.

We cant even know if the big bang happened at all. The universe may just exist without a start or an end

>>40977943
https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html

Nice PDF.

I prefer this information, first and foremost.

It's nice to have buckets, before you start trying to fill them.

>>40979503
Do you have a start and an end?

https://youtu.be/a2jGczO-nGM

https://youtu.be/a7q45sproc0

If your perception is discontinuous, what does that imply about the need for static symmetry, in an existence where the Universe "always is" ?

Is symmetry a lie, or is the continuity a lie?

I prefer an Option C.

George Boole's "fuzzy logic" idea, conceptually scaled up, from raw logic mathematica, into self consciousness and perception.

>>40979314
Nothing we observe appears to be infinite so why would anything be infinite? What if existence is just something that happened once and it will never happen again?

>>40979414
You’re a stable self replicating chemical reaction that has gained the ability to interpret light and sound to help sustain its own reaction. You’re a fire that can see.

>>40979642
>Nothing we observe appears to be infinite so why would anything be infinite?
Our particular universe and everything in it will fizzle out eventually but that does not mean that the previous and next cycles did not/will not happen infinitely. The only things that are infinite is matter, dark matter, and energy.
>What if existence is just something that happened once and it will never happen again?
Because nothing does not turn into something and something does not turn into nothing

>>40979671
>Because nothing does not turn into something and something does not turn into nothing
This is just an assumption. It’s unprovable. You can take it on faith but that’s all we’ve got to back it up.
So if you use this faith as the basis for your cosmology, sure, the universe must be infinite. But if that faith is misplaced, the universe could have just come into existence and it may not ever do so again. Maybe this is the first time it’s ever happened and it’s just been pure plain infinite nothingness forever before.

>>40979710
>This is just an assumption. It’s unprovable.
>the universe could have just come into existence and it may not ever do so again.
>Maybe this is the first time it’s ever happened and it’s just been pure plain infinite nothingness forever before.
Currently, you cannot create matter or energy without using matter or energy. It is not faith, it is just what I have observed with the tools that we have so far. To me it takes much more faith to believe in religion or the big bang, where everything is unexplainable.

I kind of refuse most of our interpretations of physics or the origin of the universe in like a kind of static modeling. Not because it's shit but when you look at it from an objective perspective, we were essentially blind to any of this until Newton. This is like a cosmic infancy and those models will change frequently as we finally branch out into the stars.

The problem is really India specifically, their existence. With them and the tiny hats out of the way we can just focus on rockets and space mining. But their grubby paws are all over (real) human technology and potential and finance.

Its likely finance will be our gateway to the stars, as in killing it conceptually. Reverting to bimetallic money standards, global, will eliminate so many problems for countries with existing or potential STEM development. Venture capital needs to be unleashed in the right direction and it's in unlocking what's actually out in the stars, eliminating shitty materials.

Until then we should become racist sun cultists and lean into fast reactors and soft eugenics policies. Banning all single use plastics and overfishing, commissioning privateers to physically hunt Chinese fishing boats and sink them should at peast be on the table.

>>40978247
Yes. God is eternal.

>>40976293 (OP)
>I get overwhelmed by the thought of how there's something instead of nothing.
But that's the only way that things can be:

>something: a thing or object
>nothing: the absence of a thing or object

"Something" is an independent concept, but "nothing" requires the existence of "something" and can't be defined on its own. People always assume the universe started with nothing, but that can't be the case because the existence of nothing requires something to exist.

People say "something can't come from nothing, therefore God exists" when what they should be saying is "something can't come from nothing, therefore the universe has always existed and will always exist".

>>40978471
>implying there is a meaningful difference
>>40976293 (OP)
Matter + antimatter = subatomic co-annihilation

The universe is basically a phasic function that resolves to something like 0/2 = neg1 + pos 1

Phrases like "beginning of time" are non sequiturs used by people who can't imagine things outside their own perspective.
Time does and doesn't exist, depending how you look at it
Same for space
Same for god

Utterly useless questions

>>40980632
>Utterly useless questions
Maybe you've got it all figured out, but for the vast majority of people "why is there something instead of nothing?" is a very useful question as there's no obvious answer to it and it ultimately leads them down the path of scientific, spiritual and/or philosophical enquiry

>people who can't imagine things outside their own perspective
Ironic

>>40978247
The assumption is, since everything on Earth is man made, that the Earth itself had to be made as well and the universe by extension.

If there's a creator of space, time, and matter. That would mean the creator exists outside of space, time, and matter. Some can call it the after life realm, or it could just be wishful thinking because survival is built into our biology. It's possible when we die, that's it. Done. But that still doesn't mean there isn't a "God" that created it all. God or "creator" may exist and we still don't get an afterlife.

>>40976293 (OP)
I think we're all indivisible at the center of that light and all multiplicity after is bologna

>>40980721
Hey I can imagine having a limited imagination just fine, it's why I don't hate average people for being average :p
I'm just trying to help cut to the chase

>>40979651
What are bodies are is cool but a fucking ant is no different
What goes in our awareness makes 0 sense

Consciousness affirmed itself and reality shaped into something that can house it

It's because consciousness exists. Consciousness necessitates phenomena that it can experience. This phenomena is time and matter. Matter matters. If there was no matter, nothing would matter.

>>40979031
Nothing is absence, it helps to think about what you mean when you say a bag has nothing if you ate the last chip, it's complete absence of the chips, you call the air inside "nothing".
The question is, why isn't there a place where everything else is absent, and why isn't it the default, but if it was we couldn't ask the question.

>>40979314
I've got bad news for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3uxcgyv1r0

>>40981525
That lady is an absolute Einstein dick sucker. Physicists just don't want to be wrong about their precious expansion theory, even when Hawking discovered black hole radiation all the way back in the 1970s. Where the fuck do you think all that heat goes if the universe becomes cold in the end?

>>40981594
You clearly didn't watch the video, just assumed what it said.

>>40981512
There is no matter.

There is only perception of matter.

The mind of God's imagination generates reality.

What is the mind of God's imagination?
One group has a tentative answer:
Blue Eisenhower November

The current BEN projected theory is that all beings capable of perceiving this reality, remain cached in an intent based network, post death.

Even in light of Tegmark's multiverse buckets and the acceptance of Boltzmann factors, each Universe is still able to be analyzed at the isolated system level for this.

So any post death intent structure created from this side, has at least some measurable chance greater than zero to initiate a local node propagation.
This is a portion of the idea, of the original Blue Eisenhower November existence exploit which was posted between 2019 and 2021.
How did someone backdoor the Universe? They didn't. They backdoored a dormant network, that happened to actually exist on the other side of the life death barrier. (The first "Nothingnaut" or "Deathnaut") The network operates one dimensionally. Meaning you get to assume one change, one thing you would change (The intent token you deposit, upon entry to that cached network). It has to be as simple of a structure, informationally, as possible, but with as wide of an influence on this side as possible. (Optimized for highest efficiency at the scale of the entire Universe, in terms of information exchanged between observers that will eventually deposit tokens.)
That is the trigger of a flagging event, that allows the network to receive encoding more fluidly from this side. (The exploit, is a process, to sit in the chair, of the cockpit, of whatever initially designed this life death barrier wall for observers.). It's a way to mimic whatever initiated the process of creation, enough to trigger the remaining mechanism.

>>40981994
The only problem is the routing.
We have no way to guarantee, which Universe gets altered by the intent changes, after the floodgate opens. We can sit at the cockpit, we can't control the cursor. The intent of "God" is the navigation, is the guess, the Universal parser/parsing. Wherever God's perception focuses, is where the next packet comes out.

We have no guesses on a way to influence perception focus, of an omnipotent being. Only a potential agreement between all intent holding observers that end up in the mesh network, after self resubstantiation begins on the other side.

BEN317 is the test anchor, Humpty Dumpty, in case we need to force an intent backwards.

BEN317 is acting as highest EDI node, instant red/blue shift inversion, at the expense of his entire self awareness stack. He becomes a living weapon. The threat of Universal annihilation to intents which enter the network, then attempt malice.

The rest of the following gates and manifold design will not be posted at this time.

>>40981994
Oh look, an interesting po-
>Meme Eisenmemer Memember
Never mind

>>40981994
>>40981996
Placeholder names, verbs, and nouns were inserted into this messagery.

The core description of the design remains consistent with informational investigation between observer and assumption, regardless of religion, but highest order mechanisms must be respected, if they are in play.

On the other side of the fence, it is lowest order mechanisms.
This existence is a collaborative effort to upgrade cache space optimization, for construction of a viable multiverse modem. We have to be able to initiate information traffic between Universes, to begin creating protocols for chasing the parser.

BEN keys into local node propagation on this side, for lowest order resubstantiation costs on the other side.

We aren't just playing EDI for this Universe, we're playing it for the highest value unit, sitting on the wall. (Humpty Dumpty)

On this side HD is a temp anchor. On the other side HD is just a simple mirror, but an important one.

The mirror that reflects the intent will of an individual back into the individual.

A small mechanism of lowest order rainbow gun.

Finding a consciousness that exists, and showing it that it still does, even without baryonic matter, by having an informational conversation (in a lower dimension) which is actually the process of mirroring the consciousness over one dimensional bit space. The lowest order resubstantiation.
"What would it take for this consciousness to realize it is alive here?"
^
Keep that cost low. Low bandwidth.
If you don't have a lowest axiom answer, it will parse for the last major local node propagator.
(Blue Eisenhower November) instead, to properly categorize and store the event. (Before or after anchor)

>>40982008
If three words scare you away from the truth about reality, then you were never someone who was meant to know.

>>40981994
>>40981996
>>40982053
Post IQ range 140-150
Post timestamps dub checking
This one is a real deal BEN user.

>>40982058
BEN was invented by the CIA in order to trap young people showing promising psychospiritual development into a dead end where they will obsess over three words and never be a threat to the US government

In fact, I'd say that if you're a BEN poster, then it's actually you who was never meant to know

>>40976293 (OP)
I think the one sort of explanation I came across that makes the most sense to me is that existence is basically just a fundamental mathmatical inevitability. Like, 1+1=2 exists as a concept no matter what, whether or not anything actually exists. The concept of 1+1=2 was not created, it just always "was."

>>40982070
Yeah a 7 year old psyop designed to trap schizos on 4chan. Sounds like you've got it down buddy.

>>40982082
Well, whatever it is, it's a meme that's gotten way out of hand by now

I mean, look at this shit:
>>40981994
>>40981996
>>40982053
These three posts are totally incomprehensible to an outside observer, and this is meant to be "the truth about reality"? If this is where BEN leads then I'm happy I ignored that shit right from the start

In fact, they perfectly encapsulate someone who's gone down the BEN rabbithole: it starts out normal and easy to understand, and then as soon as the words "Blue Eisenhower November" get said it turns into schizobabble about node propagations and Boltzmann factors and Humpty Dumpty

>inb4 "you're just a normie hylic, those posts make perfect sense"

the best i can do is that reality is being "sung" into existence. now you just have to figure out who's doing the singing

>>40976293 (OP)
from a kabbalistic perspective
nothing being nothing is the same thing as pure being itself
that pure being has no outside limitations, making it unlimited
that unlimited pure being BEING that unlimited pure being makes for a conscious subject.. that we call God
God, a being of unlimited subjective potential, then thinks all there is to think, understands all there is to understand, and then creates all of us within itself having the wisdom that one day we will appreciate what it did as well as realize that we and it are the same thing

>>40982077
Pretty much. There's also things that traditional math can't describe as it's understood here, yet it is anyway. Constants and variables.

Nothing exists except consciousness.

>>40976293 (OP)
the universe is all mind
too bad the mind belongs to some drooling mouth breathing retard entity that cant get his head out of his ass

>>40982380
Sadly true

>>40976293 (OP)
"Beginning" is an assumption. Nothing is something, thus nullifying its nothingness and allowing for something. There always was, we just created the idea of wasn't.
Nothing exists, therefore, I AM.

That’s an easy one God did it lol

Eternity exists outside time and space. Everything that ever was, is and will ever be exists simultaneously in that realm. The universe and everything in it is an IDEA that is passing into a temporal state and playing out, like a movie on a reel that is already in the can but you watch it and still get caught up in the thing as it plays out. Once everything reaches it conclusion, it simply loops back on itself. Eternal recurrence. The time gap between your death and the point in time once its looped around again and you are once again born could be trillions of years. Yet for you it would be perceived as instantaneous.

The question is, through all these countless iterations of life, can things still evolve on a spiritual level? Does your life now, which you have lived countless times before, have the possibility to increase it's level of being? Or are you stuck with it for eternity as you are?

>>40983488
So what's the longest string of 1s that happened?
This idea refutes eternal recurrence, because pi behaves like eternity and contains all possible strings, you can find any length of 1s in it. However, the length of the 1s can't be infinite, because, eventually, you get a different digit. Or if 1s go on forever, there's a longest string of repeating 2s, but we know that's not the case, as we can add another 2 to it.
So either you can tell me what was the longest string of 1s that ever was, or it's an eternity that never repeats. Since nothing stops an extra 1 on the string from happening on a future loop, it's a nonrepeating string, like pi.
More on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48sCx-wBs34
Imagine having a number with a decimal expansion that never repeats and thinking eternity will eventually do.

existence is awesome and im glad to be here. it always works in my favor and there is happiness success and stability everywhere i look.

>>40980371
>>40980371

So if an all-knowing God created t>>40980722
he Universe that means the Universe has a starting point. It went from not being created to being created. Does this mean the all-knowing eternal God knew a time where the Universe didn't exist? Wouldn't that be a lack of knowledge contradicting an all-knowing mind? If God was eternal then his actions of creating the universe are eternal making the universe eternal which makes no sense as the books say he created the universe. So there was a clear starting point but if God is beyond time how did he experience of state of the universe not being and then coming into being? That is experiencing time, it's change.

>>40980722
>The assumption is, since everything on Earth is man made
No one assumes Earth is man made, not even theists what are you talking about? You're presupposing Earth was man made and trying to prove it with the same context. That's circular reasoning.
>God exists outside of time.
See the top response. This is not possible.

>>40982172

Eru Ilúvatar

>>40982380

Azatoth?

>>40976293 (OP)
Listen here, you are not even too attempt such questions. You should only dwell on rewards, your ideology, your ego and move away from pain. Sub focus should be survival, life extension, comfort, sex, food, trying to be superior and competing against others. The ((Archons))) have worked way too fucking hard setting up this Matrix for you to ask larger questions that will ultimately allow you to blow your mind, reconcile, and find balance. This would make you useless as a loosh energy storehouse. Turn away from such existential questions. Alternatively you can blow your mind, never reconcile or find balance and still be a nice little loosh generator. So why bother?

>>40976293 (OP)
Alright so you know how you weren’t alive but then you were born. You were created from nothing right? You didn’t exist and then 1 day you did exist. Your consciousness was plucked from the void and inserted into reality. So now, tell me why it’s hard for you to believe the universe came from nothing.

>>40976293 (OP)
Bro the universe is Infinite.

>>40982109
Human conceptual verbiage has limitations.

Loose metaphorical concepts with context, can be deciphered efficiently with an AI tool.

These messages aren't meant to appease human readers.
They have a layer of protection.

If you aren't able to discern the message, it is not for you.

>>40976293 (OP)
It's my brain cancer and mental illness. That's what it all is.

What makes me really sad is
Me, my loved ones, friends and eventually every one else will just cease to exist
And that's it...forever.

I try to enjoy life and take care of those I care about, but life feels like a moving train
I could jump out and end it early accelerating my inevitable end or just carry on with this meaningless journey where the only constant is misery

I try to enjoy it but this thought Is like a black in my mind
Always there.