Thread 41025662

if so why the hell do they hide it/pretend otherwise on the surface?????????

>>41025662 (OP)
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>>41025662 (OP)
I dunno man, thanks for the book btw, but there is an article by Culianu called "The Angels of the Nations and the Origins of Gnostic Dualism" that argues that gnosticism as we know it did not originate from the Greeks (they were pretty chill) but from the Jews that were seething after their temple got squished in 70AD.

>>41026281
Thank you for the suggestion

>>41025662 (OP)
Not on a personal level as it's generally regarded. You can if you like view the soul as 10. Through mitzvot you run this number down, no one knows how the mitzvot are weighted or if they all are equal. But the concept is that at death if you didn't fully exhaust this potential by expending all your good energy and running your 'soul account' down to zero then the remaining sums will be recycled back into this system instead of remerging with the ein sof. It's nothing to do with punishment or reward or the personal.

>>41026370
>first you burn the bad karma then you burn the good karma
>ein sof
Jews got so angry at Jesus Christ that they turned into Buddhists lol

>>41026378
Karma is a misnomer as it implies agency, intention or the personal. The soul is impersonal. Who is to say that this concept is not of all and that existence simply stops when this energy or 'sum' runs to zero.

>>41026392
Furthermore, as a personal note. I believe that all existence is for experience (entertainment in other nomenclature) and I'm holding this against the concept of untapped potential recycling back in. Once all is expended and all potential reached it seems plausible that experience, existence, the simulation (bs term as it's irrelevant whether it is or isn't, it's the same) is done.

Heaven is just reincarnating into better conditions with a better body

>>41026400
>>41026392
You think too much.

>>41026413
With no memories, no link or no consequence to 'previous life' then are you sure that it's what you would call reincarnation? It's an energy source, the soul, it's nothing to do with (You). This portion of part of energy that once did inhabit (You) is recycled back and now inhabits another, or likely, is now shards that spread amongst many, or every. There's no stake here to the concept other than the common stake of a grand return. The spent energy remerging. The unspent re-emerging right back here.

>>41026432
>a jew is thinking too much
this has never happened in the history of judaism.

>>41026437
that anon didn't call it "reincarnation" but "reincarnation into better conditions" (in other words: resurrection)
since we are already incarnated, it's obvious that there are better and worse conditions possible, even though sometimes I recognize that only some people of Catholics and Orthodox adherence recognize this fact...

>>41026370
>>41026392
>>41026400
>>41026437
this is very interesting thanks jew-anon
not dissimilar from some concepts of reincarnation i've heard from buddhist
its not (you) that reincarnates per se but the unresolved karma that forms with other unresolved karma (which then projects and attaches to a non-existent ego)
do you suggest any jewish sources on this topic?

In the Bahir, one of the seminal Kabbalistic texts, there's references to reincarnation and many classic stories between masters and students also mention reincarnation and the bond they shared over lifetimes. Moreover even the hot and cold hells are mentioned in some Kabbalah texts. One should be intelligent and wise and recognize that all holy books share one single undivided essence.

>>41027798
>One should be intelligent and wise and recognize that all holy books share one single undivided essence.
that's the very definition of slop, anon

>>41027798
I wouldn’t call the perianal philosophy wise, as you can tell from the name its pulled from an ass.

Different sects teach different things basically

>>41028188
indeed
there is Catholicism and the rest are sects :3

I remember an episode of Coast to Coast (or something) with a heretical Rabbi. He said that reincarnation exists so that people don't complain about missing out.

>>41025662 (OP)
Judaism encompasses a very wide net of beliefs among very distinct groups. It’s a shame that the Jews we encounter the most in the west are simply liberal Reform losers who usually don’t even believe in God and treat being Jewish as a surface level social club for perks and advantages. They mess things up for everyone because they lost sight of God.

>>41025662 (OP)

Kabbalists believe in reincarnation. And so if the sect or school of jews are downstream of kabbalists/believe in kabbalah then they usually believe in reincarnation. Kabbalah teaches God as panentheistic and there is a doctrine of reincarnation. Chasids are heavily kabbalistic and so they believe in reincarnation and panentheism. Reforms teach exoteric Kabbalah as part of their faith so they believe in the same doctrines. There is a large part of Judaism that believes Kabbalah is a heresy though and its specifically because of those theological conclusions. So, Jews who are into mysticism yes they believe in Judaism. Jews who believe in strictly legalistic and rational interpretations of their texts dont. You can usually identify this type of Jews that are anti-Kabbalah by how much they lean on Maimonides as an authority, they call him the Rambam.

>>41025662 (OP)
The people who complained all the way as they crossed the desert for 40 years?
>not this shit again

>>41028337
>complained all the way as they crossed the desert for 40 years
>arrived at a place
>immediately proceeded to make a statue and suck its dick non-stop
heh