Thread 41088564

The universe mirrors your mental world

The Main Concepts:
> Imagination creates Reality
> Assumptions harden into fact
> Consciousness is the only Reality
> Feeling is the Secret
> Prayer, Living in the End/In the Wish Fulfilled (remaining Faithful to your Idea)
> You are the Operant Power
> There is no one to change but Self (Self-Concept)
> Thinking Fourth-Dimensionally (Time is an Illusion)

> Can I manifest ___?
Yes! Creation is finished.

> Curious? Do the Ladder Experiment
pastebin.com/yXqanLu6

> The Simple Technique
https://pastebin.com/LNwqkDms

> Who is Neville Goddard?
Neville was a mystic who taught the Bible as a parable of the human psyche — a great psychological drama — and not a record of historical events.

Recommendations for beginners:
> How to manifest your desires (Core 5 Lessons & Radio Talks)
mega.nz/folder/V8ESkKzC#bHIFV4BxgHk7ksf6Pwq_-Q

> Neville's Feeling is the Secret
files.catbox.moe/rrsh2g.pdf
files.catbox.moe/wwq24r.epub
> Audiobook
[YouTube] Feeling Is the Secret (1944) by Neville Goddard

> Audiobook
[YouTube] The Power of Awareness by Neville Goddard

—/ Extra resources /—
>Master Index
pastebin.com/Ne1Tms8S

> Universal Line
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1X9dB7eDI5RcHOBvixGjAhZ_lgJjJIhGq
https://archive.org/details/UL-the-complete-works

> Library
mega.nz/folder/Ns9mhDSC#iKKxSnq5EoG_GxYLeylrSg

>Manifestation Repos
https://codeberg.org/manifestation

>/r/DimensionalJumping/ Index
https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/38c3yk/how_to_jump_between_dimensions/

Last thread: >>41053215

>how to jump between dimensions
Finally the great disruption has begun. This is no longer a /loa/ general. Now it’s got this mixed in.
This is fine though. I expected this. In fact I manifested it.

>>41088555
>It's pretty fucking amazing. I don't want IRL money anymore or any of that shit. i just want to cruise the galaxy now.
This is the endgame of LoA. This is also what Paolucci calls FFE, what George calls "The Infinite Grid ", what Castaneda called "Silent Knowledge" and Neville called "The Promise". The ultimate state. You get everything you want from this world, and the next step naturally is going beyond.

>>41088600
Castenada was a fiction writer.

>>41088609
And Neville told you that there is no fiction.

They gon' see the end before they see the end of me

>>41088613
There is though.
Harry Potter isn’t real. You can’t go to Hogwarts.
It’s fiction. Some woman made it up.

>>41088627
So Neville was wrong.

Tfw you assumed, persisted, and lived in the end

>>41088589
bro, that was my success report.

I disappeared from this place for about 9 months so i could chase this stuff i manifested using sats. I wanted to see if this schizo magic shit was real and it turns out it was. Then i wanted to know if that christian bullshit was real and it turns out it is. For me at least.

You guys need to keep this stuff LOA. I'm not trying to add castaneda into the mix. i'm just telling you what happened.

Also i came here to reinforce that Law of assumption and universal line work.

there are other threads for magic etc.

hope that helps
good luck anon

>>41088714
>You guys need to keep this stuff LOA. I'm not trying to add castaneda into the mix. i'm just telling you what happened.
Castaneda is not LoA, and doesn't belong here, i'll give you that.
DimensionalJumping IS LoA, and even have a Neville section, and the main guy running it was a Neville enthusiast that incorporated his teachings in a more straightforward manner. By this logic, we may as well just chop the OP in half and left out all the progress this general has made too (I know you didn't mean it like that, just saying).
The guy you're replying too it's just a troll, and can't make contributions for shit, so you're wasting your energy in someone that doesn't deserve it.
Universal Line is also not LoA, but the original title of this general since inception was, is and always will be "/LoA/ - Law of Assumption and MANIFESTATION General", not just "/LoA/" as the last entries did. Nobody has bothered to put everything in place because the people who gave a fuck left, so someone have to step up, SO the next wave of users can find the useful stuff immediately instead of wasting their time.
Play time is over. It's time to get serious.

I was watching some videos on synchronization, and i think it has interesting applications for loa. one key aspect was that synchronization seems to have a phase transition, where above that, synchronization actively begins to affect and eventually align a system with another, but not below that. i'm not really sure i believe the people are always manifesting all the time idea, because that would make runaway effects very pronounced in the general population, and it seems like the general population sticks at a baseline. i feel like a phase transition makes a lot of sense to explain why most people seem to stay around equilibrium, although that can also be explained by constantly changing manifestations averaging out. however, if constant manifestations were in effect, we should be able to see very deluded people having disproportionate successes with their manifestations, and that is not what we see, even though some anons have reported intermediate success with spamming affirmations. instead, it may be more likely that these spamming affirmations happened to be often and lucky enough to push the 3d world into alignment with the internal world, being numerous enough to jump over the phase transition and targeted in the right directions to synchronize the two states, kind of like pushing a swing at the right time to make the swing higher and higher. (by wave motion i don't mean going forward and back towards a desired outcome, but thinking of both the internal and 3d world as a wave that we are nudging to a better amplitude and phase. it might be easier to think of "reality" as a combination of your internal imagination as one wave, the 3d world as another wave, and "reality" being a combination of both of these waves.) this theory also seems to explain why starting small is successful, once you break that phase transition, then it is much easier to continue from there to apply more changes. will continue with practical implications

>>41088589
I do not want to hear about reality-shifting ever again

>>41088914
If Law of Attraction is the dumbed down version of Law of Assumption, then Reality Shifting is the dumbed down version of Dimensional Jumping. Degradation of ideas and obstruction of central truths in order to sell you on something.

>>41088714
useful memes, thank you, sadly not many discuss that topic of first person versus third person perspective

>>41088946
high IQ post

Core Mindset Shifts for Daily Thinking

Embody Infinity Over Lack: Start every day by reminding yourself that you're not a limited human scrambling for resources—you're infinite consciousness expressing itself. When thoughts of "I need more money" arise, reframe them as "I am the source of all wealth, and it's unfolding through me." This isn't positive thinking; it's a recognition of truth. During mundane moments (like brushing your teeth or commuting), pause and ask: "What would my infinite self know right now?" The answer is always abundance, not scarcity.
Desire as Creation, Not Need: As we discussed, desire isn't a hole to fill—it's your infinite nature playfully expanding. For your financial return, view the jackpot or windfall as an already-existing reality you're tuning into. Think: "This desire is my creation calling itself into form." Avoid attaching "how" or "when"—that's the ego's job. Instead, feel the excitement of it as if it's happening now, without urgency.
Reality as Your Projection: Everything in your day is a mirror of your inner state. If bills stress you out, see them as neutral data points in your creation, not threats. Shift by thinking: "I created this experience to remind me of my power—now I choose abundance." This turns daily frustrations into opportunities to realign.

>>41088839
with this theory, PLL and AUG techniques should work better than just imagining the final state over time. basically instead of just imagining the end, it should be more effective to first take into account the difference between the 3d and internal, then eliminating noise from the difference to just take into account the consistent deviations, and then manifesting the opposite of what went wrong, the desired effect that should've happened.

i think most people do this already, so the magic is really in accounting for synchronization phases, so that previous internal states or (i feel like) to a lesser degree, previous manifestations don't begin deconstructively interacting with the 3d to undo progress. basically, whenever noticing new sudden synchronization changes from manifestations or synchronicities, disregarding more of the past and building off of the current state when manifesting, which I guess is kind of like using previous successful manifestations, just not directly. has anyone tried using this difference manifesting before? i might start trying this technique, although with manifestation, maybe just thinking that this technique will be more successful will make it more successful :)

>>41088555
>The only problem is that it takes "power" to do any of that and charging yourself up to get that "power" is a pain in the ass.
Why make an arbitrary rule for yourself?

>>41089098
>techniques should work better than just imagining the final state over time
I wanted to talk about techniques for instance. Considering that techniques are infinite variations (let it be prayer, sats, meditation, sigils, doing some bizarre dance, shouting "nigger!" from the top of your lungs, visualization, candles, divination, or any other ritual for that effect), techniques are only a personal expression in your experience, an aesthetic of choice and something to make things more fun. But i think that your returns comes entirely from knowing that you can do it, just like that. Once you know that things come essentially from the intent of change and breaking patterns in your world, you become more flexible, because your existence as consciousness is what its doing the job for you.

At that point, you could even create your own system from the arrangement of things you have absorbed so far and have resonated with you the most, keeping what you like the most and removing what's not useful. Personally, i stick to my pragmatical ways, and my own magic system is a fusion between TG (Oneirosophy) and UL. Totally effortless.

>>41089168
this may be the key, i call it a phase transition of when manifesting first works, but for other people it could be encountering neville, in UL i think it might be realizing the i am of being the UL, but I might be wrong, I am not very familiar with UL.

But beyond that, I feel like a lot of problems that people encounter with manifestation should be because of a failure in the core technique rather than poor execution, where the successes come from occasional overlapping with the techniques and the ideal perfect technique. with enough people using visualization it's definitely the route to take imo, but i feel like it's clear that the visualization needs to be applied differently than most teachers are teaching it, otherwise manifestation would be much more successful. maybe the technique only applies individually by creating a new technique with enough imagined potential or power in their mind, but since most people get results from some sort of visualization, i think there should be some sort of shared technique that should work more "objectively", even if it could be refined per-person better

>>41089134
This is something i never got from this anon. To any UL user that stuck to the teachings, they eventually realize that everything can be without effort or strain, and that they really don't need any other material. For someone so well versed in this stuff, i would expect a synthesis that extract useful ideas from somewhere and just adapt it to his dream swiftly instead of just keep going with the pain. But well, maybe some people like that, after all, their dream, their rules...

>>41089219
>I feel like a lot of problems that people encounter with manifestation should be because of a failure in the core technique rather than poor execution
It's more about ignoring the forest for the trees, really. If they knew who they really were, they won't rely on methods, they would just incorporate or infuse themselves in the knowledge of having control over the domain, while soft peddling perception-experience. Also, if the technique operate in a lower level truth, the you have lower level actions and lower level results, that takes more unnecessary strain from the user part (Like cleaning the kitchen with a toothbrush instead of a mop). Mastery is all about doing things in an absolutely effortless manner.
>with enough people using visualization it's definitely the route to take imo
The route to take, imo, it's the one you like the most (smile)
>otherwise manifestation would be much more successful
Manifestation it's always successful. Any problem it's simply not seeing that.
>i think there should be some sort of shared technique that should work more "objectively"
That will never happen. UL gives you an array of techniques that literally doesn't demands nothing at all from the user, and yet a lot of people screw up with those simple instructions. But if they accepted facts and open themselves to "the bigger picture", they would realize where the return is actually coming from. Any "perfect technique" chaser it's heading towards a dead end, every time.

>>41089219
what about combining meditation with visualizing or visualizing after a meditation session

>>41089269
>what about combining meditation with visualizing or visualizing after a meditation session
This is a good one. You just simply sit quietly and meditate with the intent of your content of attention (visualization) being manifested. Simple as. I think if you're really grounded on your knowledge on how reality works so far, you will just go for the machine gun approach and repeat the most easier one until it works. You have to internalize that every action you do, it always have an intended effect. This is the original meaning of karma.

>>41089219
just had another thought, similar to UL or in certain neville-derived aspects where people imagine a higher self or the UL, i commonly hear shifting people talk about successes when they connect with their higher self in the void state or whatever. so i think a higher self/state is probably another step in the right direction, but in my mind it makes more sense for the higher self to not be a separate being but just the combination of personal and 3d states.

>>41089266
i think the problem partially comes from asserting that there is complete control over the combination/UL, when most people either don't realize they have it or have so much baggage telling them they don't that they don't have it in practicality. maybe this is an amplitude problem where people need to increase the power of their realization or power until it is equal or greater to the power they assign to the 3d, but i feel like it's less likely that it's that people are too weak to change things and are rather just not used to adjusting their manifestation to be powerful, something that happens implicitly with realizing UL. maybe this could mean focusing more on "strength" when visualizing rather than fidelity, which seems backed up by UL (i think) focusing more heavily on the connection to the UL which would strengthen their visualizations rather than just doing it "the right way"

>>41089269
i feel like it shouldn't matter, as long as the visualization are targeting the things i talked about before, key sustained differences between internal and 3d, and taking into account maybe the power. but i haven't tried any of these, i'm just spitballing after having a thinking emoji

>>41089308
same anon, replace power with strength (that you already have) in the previous post, i don't like the idea of power, it feels too limiting, and i feel like neville is pretty clear on people having the power already and just needing to visualize/direct it correctly

>>41089134
That guy is a massive schizo, period. The more concrete and tangible your goals stay, the easier is to keep your feet on solid ground. I just got myself started on manifestation to get pussy and money lol

>>41089308
>when they connect with their higher self in the void state or whatever
This >>41067758 chain of posts from the last thread was immensely useful to me.
Metaphorically speaking, your "higher self" is god, while your "presence" is the brahman from which every state comes (You are already this, being the first person point of view, and not being able to not experience the world this way), being the later the reason why you can even do this stuff in the first place.
>but in my mind it makes more sense for the higher self to not be a separate being but just the combination of personal and 3d states.
I don't want to interfere so much because you're heading towards the right direction, and this has to be self learned (at least in the iron age we live), but here's a suggestion to make things more easier for you: Don't mix up stuff until you're clear about the facts. People turns mad because nothing seems to fit, but in reality is that everything fits just nicely. When you start to gabbling up a bunch of stuff (3d/4d, super concicious, sats, pendulums, point of assembly, OAP, sneed, super saiyan kaioken, etc) you may end up confused and without direction like a headless chicken. This is why there's so many reports of people ending up worse than they started, because they put the cart before the horse (the methodology before the facts) and act like nutjobs while nothing its happening. So use common sense first, and let the logic take the wheel for you, that way a lot of doubts clear up by themselves (ONLY a suggestion, not a rouge take called "law of consideration" or something like that :^) so decide accordingly.).

>>41089168
Do you know of any good explanation of UL that simplifies and makes it clear ? Because I swear that things is almost unintelligible some times. I just want to know 1 - what the theory claims and 2 - What should I do then? What's are the techniques or rituals necessary? What's intent?

Also with regards to creating and using your own systems don't you think that goes against what Neville taught of just imagining the end state and having faith it's already done?

>>41089308
>something that happens implicitly with realizing UL.
Remember that "Universal Line" it's just a term used by John to explain reality using that as a metaphor. The reason why is called universal line is because, well, for example, a canvas in an empty space right? But when you paint, everything starts with a line. Even if the artwork is made of a lot of lines, its all the same line "pervading" the painting, and there is only one painter. But if you step back, the entire world is like that, made of lines, made of waves, just like a painting, all from the same substance.
>maybe this could mean focusing more on "strength" when visualizing rather than fidelity, which seems backed up by UL (i think) focusing more heavily on the connection to the UL which would strengthen their visualizations rather than just doing it "the right way"
The "right way" its the one that works for you. But ask yourself, "why this works?" and eventually you hit up against a wall, and it's all comes down to the one actually doing it. UL is all about knowing that you can do this, and that's where it ends, the methods the author suggest is to kick the ball straight away, so you get into the game. You literally cannot "strengthen" visualization because any way you instantly access to your memories or ideas IS visualizing (If you mean, literal "Iron Man Armor" type of visualization, that's another thing, but it's not necessary for manifestation, its sensory theater, and an "option" of many you have, but again, not from where your return is really coming from if we want to track the truth down).

>>41089413
ask grok unironically

>>41088714
I missed this, what was your report?
And what are anons saying now, I havent been here in years, do people not like Zeland anymore or what

>>41089413
>Do you know of any good explanation of UL that simplifies and makes it clear?
I honestly can't help you with that, i don't think anyone can. I don't want to sound rude but it's what it is. John is pretty damn clear as fountain water in his documents, and there's also some useful pointers scatered across multiple interpreters
>ULAnon
>UwUAnon (this image >>41087897)
>Former Paolucci students like DreamerAxelos and Mossyeyes that got in direct contact with John (you will have to use the PullPush reddit tool to take a look at this one).
>Some posts from the last two threads.
You can look up those. But in my personal opinion, interpreters are all worthless, and that includes me. People get in and out of UL with their own understanding of the facts cemented on their own experiences and personal life orientation. They put themselves to work, and don't rely on NO ONE but themselves. Paolucci keep himself aside at all times in his documents and orientations, as he is more of a messenger than a teacher, because the true "teacher" is the truth itself, represented here as "One All Person" or Universal Line. The same with George. So you have to decide, here and now, if you are going to pursuit this to the end or not, and act accordingly, no matter what happens or not. This is the go getter mentality that you need over the metaphysical truth and control of your material world, but instead of following some hollow platitudes, you will following the truth. But it depends on you.
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>>41089413
Anyway, the gist of it is that Universal Line is all about the following:
>See the facts, and decide for yourself.
As for your questions, i'm going to give some brief (and vague) QRD on it
>1 - what the theory claims
So, you're god. The value of the material is answering WHY you're god in the first place, the essential mechanics of reality, and the true purpose of your perception. That's all there is to it, remedies, as i said before, is to get you started in action, because nothing happens until you do.
>2 - What should I do then?
Excellent question. You should answer it yourself after learning the facts. Seems easy, isn't? The techniques and ritual in these teachings basically boils down to just meditate quietly or proactively use your imagination or presence with an objective or target in mind (what you want to happen next). Intent is literally the reason why you do something, to get what.
>I will do this ritual for money -> Do ritual -> Get money
This is the three phases of wave in action.
>Also with regards to creating and using your own systems don't you think that goes against what Neville taught of just imagining the end state and having faith it's already done?
Neville is not my teacher, as i am my own master, and he's also not one of my sources, so you may as well also answer that yourself. But once you understand the big picture, you will see how UL stuff overlaps deeply with Neville, but UL is more solid because it prevents you from getting stuck in a cyclical reductive conclusion. Neville tells you that you're god but you have to take his word for it, while John designed the material to LEARN and KNOW that you're THAT, so you don't take "No" for an answer. Nobody gets far with Neville alone.
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>>41089471
I personally don't like Zeland, he glows, and i mean it, seriously. He will tell you about a lot of ideas that infringe with common sense and the further extent of the implications of manifestation in the first place with an avalanche of bullshit rules, like, for example when he tells you that simple stuff like people manipulation is not possible, despite even PUA shit that has nothing to do with magic at all (or your ordinary experiences even lol) showing you the opposite in front of your eyes, all his shit just falls apart by itself. It reminds me to the "A Course In Miracles" tome, so people see this big thing and think "woaaah so big, it must be imbued by wisdom and shieeet" and but the premise and text just fall apart at the first chapters when you know all the facts that points to this world being your personal playground. I don't even think that the guy uses nowadays even half of the shit he wrote in the first place. It smells like some failed project to capitalize in the law of attraction movement using reddit science as aesthetic instead of mystical attire for white women.

>>41089775
so neville is just: "trust me bro"
while john explains all the mechanism and whys?

>>41088609
Castaneda was one of TriumphantGeorge's sources, and a close person to Neville (they meet). It's from him from where this entire "intent" matter comes from. The thing about his material in particular is that is not concerned with manifestation, at all. It's more about an "exit level" stuff of interest, optional thing to dive into, and it's still below George and Paolucci observations because it's deeply metaphoric (in the storylines he shares), but regarding the teachings and philosophy behind it, it's all real. The problem that could arise is that, it's highly advanced, and batshit insane stuff. I also took a look at /r/Castaneda for a time, and while everything it's interesting, the community enforces a highly self destructive and cultish behavior (reddit communities should really be abolished completely, seriously); like, they have the right heart, in a lot of matters really (keep yourself grounded, don't stray from the core practices and mix bullshit in, don't fall for grifters, do real magic, etc), but they completely abolished manifestation and self preservation, so...
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>>41089938
Something i learned from my experience in this community is that you should really be on your own, and if you adhere to someone else, let it be someone that have compatible goals with yours, a team, a group of friends, or something. But never compromise your personal goals for nothing in the world. The only way to win in this is to hold your higher ideal as the most sacred thing, the reason why you even do anything and everything, including this, so you never end up losing your way. This is why a lot of Neville followers lose themselves in the first place. Here's a great perspective from an former Oneirosophist:
>I agree with xoxoyoyo. The idea is not to 'compare' yourself with others. I don't know if that was ever your intention, but you will inevitably end up unconsciously comparing yourself even if that is not what you want. That is human nature.
>I agree it is quite interesting to read about other's experiences but its more along the lines of "entertainment" for lack of a better word, rather than actually allowing myself to let other's experiences set a benchmark for me. If the idea is to simply read up on other people's experiences then maybe we can make a seperate sub for it. I personally believe this sub is best suited to discussion about onerisophy rather than describing personal experiences. But as mentioned before the idea isn't to look at other people's experiences so that you can get an idea of "progress". I think it can negatively affect your personal journey with oneirosophy when you begin to bring other people and their experiences into it. It is about you and only you. It is important to remember that.
>But it is enticing to read other's experiences. I believe I read one of your comments about one of your experiences and it was very interesting. But I'm not sure if that's the best thing to do. We are here to discuss not to advise or show. This is our own personal journey and we can only walk this path alone.
>>41089909
Yeah

>>41089775
>I will do this ritual for money -> Do ritual -> Get money.
So since you know you're god you can just do your own version of rituals to get your desired outcome? this looks a lot like Magick. I'm gonna carry around a king of diamonds card knowing it makes money flow to me easily lmao.

>>41089951
i skimmed through the U.L book and this stuff seems pretty technical and advanced, not judging of course, i get he is attempting to explain big ideas

>>41089982
That sounds like a good idea. A "lucky coin" is a pretty similar premise, your result doesn't come from the card but from your way to dream.

Reality it's really similar to a videogame, but i would take Universal Line as the "tutorial" of it because it explains the reason why anything works or could work, of any supernatural event happening (or not). Not overselling, you can check it out. Anyway, following the videogame analogy, once you have knowledge of the higher truth, the action ACTUALLY begins; you can even customize your "build" and "spells" using other teachings because they are just simply ideas that you can pick up or not, for example, what you mention is basically "an spell" of sorts that you just made up, but the reason why you're doing it in the first place is because you just know you can do it lol. Two people can do the same thing, but their intents, and what's happening "inside" of them, it's an entirely different matter.

>>41090028
Basically: "Trust in yourself and the process"

>>41090050
You got it!

>>41090054
to be fair, this is how every manifestation teacher/guru tells you

>>41089982
The thing about Magick is that the "magick" scene and books don't tell you that you're god because if they did that they won't be able to sell you a book lmao.

>>41090054
to be fair, this is what every manifestation teacher/guru tells you*

>>41090076
Yeah, but this time you could know it instead of being stuck on some wishful thinking, and leave gurus behind, do your own thing. I'm telling you this for free, as some anon to another, so you may as well keep deciding from a point that benefits you the most.

>>41090083
I guess having a logical structure does help to build the convinction compared to just having blind faith

>>41090098
Knowing the truth overrides everything. When you were kid, and envisioned yourself on the heroes who prevail against the odds, your identity sense was in a higher place. As you grew old, some people wither their own self image, and act on lesser and lesser identity until they just crumble; internet access and the current state of this site as a whole should fill yourself in the details automatically. That's why you have so many people defending teachers like Neville and holding them as gospels, because they want to replace religion with the worship of some other messianic figure or something similar (They don't see themselves in heroes anymore). But if you know that manifestation is real, that you doing magic is your actual natural state, then how all that fuss serves you? Religion and philosophy are rendered useless, because you just have the power to do whatever you want kek. Manifestation would teach you that you are not an insignificant pawn in a larger, chaotic world, but a rising beast in constant ascension towards higher divine power. This all sounds like fanciful myth or tales, except if you have taken what you have learned so far to the fullest extent.

You could also think about it this way: There was a world before this industrial age, where Magic was commonplace. Magic suddenly became a rarity, but we have remained the same, so what happened? Nothing, really, because it's a well keep secret, that its not hidden anymore, but it's more about you choosing your powers over the ordinary reality. This is why i recommend the path of the self taught mentalist, so you design your life around it. As the time goes on in this iron age, this will make even more sense. The deeper implications of this phenomena existing in the first place will be vindicated.

>>41089471
I hate zeland with a passion. He's book is just complexity addiction mixed with bullshit rules.
This guy gets it >>41089827

>>41090148
kek, Thomas Troward in his lectures on Mental science said something very similar about only being yourself in so far as manifestation instead of following others's ways, he put a very strong emphasis on it actually

I climb ladders every day for work. Is there something else simple I can try to prove to myself this works? Also can I just positively manifest my first time instead of I "won't climb a ladder"? I don't see the purpose it seems strange

>>41090241
Others are part of your realm. You're God, and they are residing in your world. Like a videogame (For example, Morrowind, or some other RPG of that fashion), every character it's a the mercy of the player actions, and they don't exist or are relevant to your path unless you decide that they are. This is really reductive because it doesn't do justice to the fact that you are even beyond the idea of "a world" where you reside in. Some people that couldn't handle LoA or magic in general, for example the Non dualistic ones, keep insisting in the idea of people manifesting "against them" when you could just "simply hop on a different dream" where that's is no longer an issue. When you do a "shift", what you are doing is living in a different instance of the world that have your desired changes in mind. When you try to fit this mechanic in some dualistic notion like "what the other guy is doing", you will obligatory get lost because is just not true at all, is a zero sum riddle of an imaginary conflict, a con game, because nothing really exists beyond you unless you start thinking about this and the other; but if you start thinking from the inside out, as it has to be, everything that exist and could exist makes sense, the doubts just start to dissipate by their own, because what you say it is (Whatever your intellect agrees with) then it is. The universe is perfectly designed for you to realize that.

>>41090287
go for some food, imagine yourself eating it and tasting and smelling it and maybe even hearing the sounds of your biting it

>>41090297
Impressive, thanks for writing this, do you believe in incorporating parallel Universes with this?

>>41090287
Here's an idea:
>Figure out some food you want
>Make a ten minute timer, so its like a microwave, where you just wait for the food to come out. So you will sit down, put the timmer running, and just simply wait. Doesn't matter what you think of it, or whatever its happening, just simply wait. You are doing this to manifest some food.
>After all its done. That's it. Keep going about your day as planned and wait a week.
Ideally, you should try to do this as robotically as possible without thinking so much about it. With an state of mind of "i know what im doing and why" and do it swiftly and in a calm manner. After all is imagined and done, you let the world take its course.

>>41090287
i mean a food that you did not eat or receive in forever

>>41090335
Like literally set an alarm while thinking about the food coming? And then once the alarm goes off I'll stop and forget about it?

>>41090330
Parallel Universes is just a metaphor. Think about how many other metaphors can fit with that.
>Dimensional Jumping
>Reality Shifting
>Dream World exploring
>Parallel Universe Psychonaut Adventures
When you strip the metaphor aspect of things, you are simply going from some instance of the world to another, getting the pressure of being a "creator" off your shoulders, and just transferring your presence to a place where your object of manifestation is waiting you there.

>>41090361
Thank you

>>41090358
Not an "alarm", a timer, you do this fully awake. You don't even have to think about the food, because you already are doing this with an outcome in mind (That's why the first step is to choose your food, it can't be more simple than that). Once the ritual is done, you leave it behind, that's it, it's over, bye bye, forgetting about it could be useful but the thing is that once you finish, you don't evaluate further because you already did it, and it's over. Wait a week after the matter, and see what happens.

>>41090372
Interesting. I will try this. Thanks.

Sometimes I fear I am developing psychosis with the law, the 3d is fucked but I am still and relaxed

Honest question. Why do this instead of just make a sigil? Sigils seem more easy and fill proof?

>>41090945
It's tiring in long term. Even the latest chaos magicians acknowledged this long time ago.

>>41090954
Can you go into a bit more detail? Drawing up a sigil, beating off, forgetting about it doesn't seem very difficult?

>>41090967
I mean, yeah, you're right, it's pretty simple but, doesn't the same logic apply to just imagine something real quick, and then just let it happen? Drawing some doodle, and then getting on the mood to jack off, and then cleaning up, isn't that less convenient?

>>41090977
Well I'm inexperienced in both. I've read about both a lot but tried neither. I'm not sure I should mess with fate. But many here seem to insist doing many SATs each night or for a week or whatever seems like more work.

>>41090999
Checked.
>Well I'm inexperienced in both. I've read about both a lot but tried neither.
That's bad, yeah.
>I'm not sure I should mess with fate.
You mess with fate every single day of your life.
>But many here seem to insist doing many SATs each night or for a week or whatever seems like more work.
That's their problem, not yours. Get to work, or not, whatever.

>>41089371
So basically
>Do things first, then make sense of it second.

>>41091005
Fair enough

I think I've finally gotten it anons. I've hit a flow state where spiritually and mentally I am stretched out into the future, and the present just feels like what my flesh happens to be doing at the moment. I haven't been doing any exercises aside from journaling and very simple moments of stillness while "feeling the energy" so to speak. I know exactly where I want to be and that's where I live in my head, and physically I have never felt more determined and productive. feelsgoodbros

Just pick an affirmation and fucking stick to it.

>>41088564 (OP)
The links for the Neville audio books have been delinkified, which btw, I'm listening to another book read by the same guy

>Your Invisible Power - Genevieve Behrend
https://youtu.be/59KtRPJR5F4
Seems good, if approaches the subjective in a slight different way, it describes the visualization as a picture of a magic lens, the light is your will, that then reflects the picture into the world. (chapter 2)
>trying to project the picture with a unsteady light that is constantly shifting from one side to the other, and you will have the effect of uncertain will
this is a very interesting way to put it, as for those who tend to have a bit hard time focusing on a single thing, such as myself
and then later he goes more into this (chapter 4)

> once you really believe that you mind is a center through which the plastic substance of all there is in your world takes involuntary form the only reason why your picture does not always materialize is because you have introduced something antagonistic to the fundamental principal
> very often this destructive element is caused by the frequency of which you change your pictures, after many such changes you decide that your original design is that what you want after all, upon this conclusion you begin to wonder why being your first picture, it hasn't materialized

This is an interesting point as it seems to imply visualizing it over and over again may be detrimental if you're not steady with your original design, for example because circumstances changed and maybe you're start to rationalize or justify a chain of events.
We do know though that visualizing just the one time is enough, the reason its advised to do over and over, is for the gap between imagination and the real world, so if you're lacking faith, you visualize again to bring back the feeling of that which is real.

>>41091387
>The links for the Neville audio books have been delinkified
Didn't noticed this. The guy who baked last thread just deleted the links and placed the titles for some reason. I'll keep that in mind for the next bake. Thanks for the link and pointers.

>>41091387
>This is an interesting point as it seems to imply visualizing it over and over again may be detrimental if you're not steady with your original design, for example because circumstances changed and maybe you're start to rationalize or justify a chain of events.
i mean the image will only be incorrect if your divination was too weak to begin. this is why you make "blurry" images to manifest. your power as 1 person can act like ripples in a pond. you distort, but its extremely difficult to calculate the height of the splashes. low fidelity high repitition is the best chance to make a fortune come true. fate will bend to you, but not break

>>41091387
Right there seems like a beginner trap, which many may wonder why they're not getting good results, myself included, as the author mentions in his words, that that the picture may come true but not as satisfactory as one's pictured originally.

> The law that is the originating creating principal of life is the universal here and ever lasting now, it creates its own vehicles to which to operate, therefore, past experience has no bearing upon your present picture, so do not try to obtain your desire through a channel, that may not be natural for it, even though it may seem reasonable to you.
> Your feeling should be that thing, or the consciousness of which you desire so much, is normal and natural, a part of yourself, a form for your evolution. If you can do this there is no power to prevent your enjoying the fulfillment of the picture you have in hand, or any other.

>>41091410
yeah that was me, the script replaces the links with titles and I didn't notice way later after posting the thread.

>>41091419
You mean to intentionally make blurry images? that just seems like the same outcome to be honest, something that you desired but didn't come as complete as you had hoped for, similarly going over several several scenes that imply the same outcome seems detrimental because its like seek rationalization on how something may come to be.

I'm now considering changing my routine a little that instead of trying to go over the same thing over and over, I'll do the picture just the one time, and then daily meditate on just how strong and unbeatable my faith is, just to keep on track and avoid anxiety and self doubt from creeping in.
Neville recommends "reviewing" your day, daily right before you sleep, as an method to improve imagination itself, plus keeping you from sleeping with an undesired mood. This also seem like a good way to keep steady.

>>41091501
>You mean to intentionally make blurry images?
focus on nonvisual senses to make them more visceral, especially touch. our sense of sight is dullened by comuters but the other 4 are still intact

>>41091544
certainly with that I agree, though I do have a hard time remembering or imagining smells, got any tip for that?

>>41091604
>Imagine the smell

>>41091604
smell more things. i would start by just, whenever you're chewing your food put your nose to the plate and smell it. you need to actively use the sense to bring the awareness into your mind. start just smelling the rooms or outside randomly and try using words to describe the smell. helps my outcomes a lot

>Just smell more things bro!
>Dimensional jumping is LoA!
>Neville was wrong about everything!
>universal line and triumphant George were 99% and 1% of the 100% truth!
>hope that helps!

In just two threads the posters in this general completely accepted one spamming trolls lies and even changed the OP. Quite amazing that you are this fragile and easily tricked.

>>41092230
If Neville's method was so good and worked for everyone, there would be no need for other methods

>>41092286
If any worked for a universes law there would be no need for hundreds.
Not the point anyway. You’ve have been trolled by one obvious troll saying “hope that helps” after how many hundreds of threads? Why do a complete reversal now? Perhaps the poster count it just that low now.

>>41092322
No I haven't been "trolled", I just don't like Neville's methods, they feel like work, SATSing (which only works if you have vivid imagery), or even worse, affirmations (which are mentally exhausting). For someone claiming "you don't need to lift a finger" a lot of mental lifting is being done

>>41090305
> can only manifest normal things that occur every day to everybody

How about something meaningful?

Everybody has a different conception of how this should work but nobody can make their method work. If it works once in a blue moon that is called a coincidence not evidence. If it doesn't work every time reformulate your conceptions and try again. Insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result. People who are unable to consistently get what they really want keep giving advice on how to get what you want.

>>41088564 (OP)
>> The Simple Technique
>https://pastebin.com/LNwqkDms
> I’ll tell you exactly what and how results are achieved, and it’s painfully simple: total self-persuasion.
That is called delusion and if delusion created reality then there wouldn't be something called delusion.

Can i read/understand the Universal line if i am a total brainlet at math and physics?
From what i skimmed it appears to be highly technical material

>>41093653
If you can speak, write and read just fine, you can understand UL perfectly. Hell, if the logic follows, if you could post this reply, you can do everything.

>>41093694
nice, though i am still hoping you are not just here to indirectly shill J.P's monthly 30 bux discord server

>>41093694
How do you know that? Most people who gravitate towards UL tend to be have above average iq

>>41093712
Nah bro, i openly go against any shekel fraud scheme, and if you get the message, you're your own master. Although i have my theories of why JP opted for that, but it doesn't matter at this point.

>>41093724
Alright, you get my trust, sir

>>41093724
God fucking dammit, this was meant for >>41093707 this platform just glitch on me at random. Anyway...
>How do you know that? Most people who gravitate towards UL tend to be have above average iq
IQ it's an imaginary number you just made up. Here's another story i made up: People who gravitate towards UL just want the truth, because at some point they have nothing to lose, so they may as well go balls deep in magic and try to come out on top. LoA may as well be rebranded or spawn a spinoff called "/one/ - Oneirosophy General" because Neville stuff it's outdated tech and can't stand ground against the facts anymore.

>>41093743
Trust on yourself and the truth, i could be lying to you.

>>41093653
Holy shit I haven't seen the Bosnian girl with AK for a long time

>>41093745
I am looking forward to combine Neville's stuff with whatever is in the U.L, no need for the black and white thinking

>>41089134
>>41089316
>>41089229
The truth is the only effort manifestation requires is the effort it takes to feel the state of the wish fulfilled as if it was real. Sometimes this effort is massive, as is the case with things like the lottery, or supernatural type stuff. But that's it.
Ironicaly, magic rituals, energy work and that kind of stuff make feeling the state easier, so they are not worthless. They're just not a goal on their own.

I just spilled a pretty big secret btw.

>>41093807
That's not the only thing, you still need to go about with your life and work on similar shit you wanted to manifest. Loa is only gonna give you a weird opportunity here and there and you'll have to use it

>>41092818
Start with something normal that occurs everyday or chances are you will never make it.
>>41093823
Not true. Earlier this year someone called me and asked me if I wanted to work for them, because I had visualized it three months before. All I had to do in terms of "working on similar shit" was saying "yes".

I manifest this way all the time. I end up in situations where I literally cannot refuse or avoid the thing I visualized. Least possible effort ever.

>>41093803
This. You simply stick to what works for you. They overlap, and even complement each other nicely. Most of UL users are former Neville readers anyway.

>>41092322
I suppose you have a solution. Care to share about it?
>>41092818
>How about something meaningful?
Such as...?

>>41093832
I don't know that sounds too good for me, I have managed to manifest jobs and people I didn't expect but I still had to go about my business and be in some kind of motion

>>41093903
And for the life of me I don't know what exactly I did to make it work. You can say visualize but I don't think that's the thing that made it possible, and it certainly wasn't the feeling of wish fulfilled because I never induced the feeling for anything.
Maybe it was a state of consciousness I reached accidentally, who knows

>>41093881
some Anons would here dis-courge people from reading/exploring other authors or reading/consuming too much content related to manifestation saying:"it's a trap because it implies you assume that you don't know enough to manifest or need more knowledge to manifest properly"

they warned about "information overload" in regards to manifestation and the pratice of the law, but i think that's just a made up rule/limiting belief they created, but i understand in some sense, some might end up reading/watching too much and barely practicing anything they read/learn

>>41093803
>>41093940
I sometimes think that the negative traction that Neville has gained recently is mostly because they confuse his teachings with what recent generations "understood" about some vague summary of his teachings. Most people who fail to test magic spends more time reading the following than reading the sources and practicing
>Success stories (could be all made up or sensationalistic anecdotes)
>Methodslop
>Dumbed down youtuber videos, possibly from grifters
>4chan replies and summaries (Personal understanding instead of conclusions of your own)
While im not a fan of Neville myself, even i can see that and acknowledge it from miles away. People who don't examine the source and conclude for themselves, so they come from a place of lesser understanding. This doesn't even has to do with manifestation stuff, is general behavior of people, specially around the internet, that with so much information available, you find users talking with absolute confidence and assertiveness about subjects that they have no clue about. The average poster would be a great salesman.

>>41093970
I love Neville and i have no doubt that his methods do work, however if you go to reddit you will find many people in the main N.G subreddit who are originally from Law of attraction communities or originally followers of certain teachers/gurus, what those "people" do is basically to post in an alleged forum for Neville and bring the rules, regulations, opinions of other teachers/gurus and make people think they are Neville's

"no you should not try to manifest 2K bux, the universe will think you are too greedy, manifest 1000 USDs instead"

"Don't try to manifest at this time of the year, the moon/whatever is preventing the vibrations/frequencies, try when october is over"

I swear i read such stuff in Neville's main sub, holy fucking God

>>41093745
Due to my situation, I can only do 1 minute session with UL. Will this be enough? 10 minutes is recommended and i'm way under that.

>>41093999
These people would be exhausting to be around. I would ask questions such as "Who is this universe you're speaking of?" or "What the moon has to do with me?" and get them trapped under their own logic. Those communities could be entertaining for a while, but it's not really useful. Also checked.
>>41094012
Sure, why not?

>>41094034
Older versions of the text talked about more infusion of UL identity, the longer the session. I would get that briefly with only 1 minute

>>41093999
This is not really a Neville problem, this is more a reddit problem imo. People circa 2014 did just fine, and were able to track down the methodology and just go along with it, but when the reddit public got mixed up with the 4chan, they brought their baggage with them. I swear, why would you act intimidated after finding out about manifestation? The old geezers would be fun about it

>>41094048
Do what you can for now, take it easy

>>41094052
Yes, not implying that bro, the subreddit has over 200k subbers, of course it 'll be full of retarded biomass

I felt the its done thing but it passed what do

>>41094216
Let go.

I remember a certain anon on here who said that the dumber you are the more successful you are going to be with the law because you won' be thinking about the "how" and you won't obsees with doing things perfectly or properly, personally, i think retarded NPCs don't have the level of abstract thinking to practice this and there's a line between being smart and being an overthinker

>>41094883
unironically just have it is the key and the dumber u are then i guessu the easier it is to get into that state
everything but having it now is cope and cringe distraction that puts u in the im not having it state

>>41094883
According to this i'm a genius, but no, my intelligence level is average, I just overthink a lot

>>41094930
I love Neville's theory because the premise of it is that you already have it, your mission is to embody having it, be it, not pretend, it's different than other systems that tell you: "you have to desire it deeply to manifest it"

that kind of thinking literally only leads to more unfullfillment because it starts from a place of unfulfillment unlike Neville's theory which aims to establish a sense of fulfillment even when the 3d is not currently giving you reasons for ir

>>41094948
yes, it's dumb, i have seen barely illiterate retards who are massive overthinkers

just so this isn't an echochamber, are there any anons here who disagree with UL/Paolucci but still respect it? What are your problems with it?

>>41095320
I do bot care for the visuals or the extremely dense words. I think it’a trying to be deliberately difficult with double meanings and vague allusions rather than genuinely effective. I respect it if it works but I see no reason to believe it does.

>>41095351
https://www.launchpass.com/original-supreme-cosmic-guide/subscriber

The Universal line won
John paolucci won
Neville lost
The law of assumption lost

>>41095531
Give me a non-schizo QRD on universal line.

>>41095704
It’s Neville but with less Jesus, weird images and a lot more verbose.