Thread 41398672

Is One Piece pro christ or anti christ? We see Kuma holding the Bible in earlier arcs of One Piece and it has been revealed in the latest arc that Kuma and his tribe (the buccaneers) believed that a saviour would come in the name of Nika. We learned a couple years ago that Luffy has the powers of Nika and quite literally incarnate this Nika, this saviour, the buccaneers spoke of. Is Luffy a christ like figure or is Luffy more of an anti christ figure? Also, I just want to add that the one eye thing Luffy does in this pic is anime only I think so this isn't something Oda came up with.

prometheus

>>41398721
isn't Prometheus someone who incarnates "knowledge' given to humans rather than a straight up saviour through violence and kicking the despotes in their butt?

>>41398672 (OP)
Why are you obsessing over this thing? Fifteen years ago when I was still in high school it was the only manga/anime that everybody in school knew about and followed. Ultra normie piece of garbage. Never touched it myself. You want a headscratcher about christianity, angels, demons and the occult you should try picrel

>>41398672 (OP)
>christ
>antichrist
those are drugs, the death-inducer and its antidote.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic

>>41398672 (OP)
Yes, Luffy is the antichrist. Zoomers are literally overthrowing their countries in the name of luffy.

>>41398672 (OP)
What makes you think christ and antichrist mean different things?

>>41398785
Golem

>>41399110
Christian-like idolatry and symbology was manufactured by (((their))) influence. Christ is savior and if anyone tells you otherwise, they're working for (((them))).

>>41399149
>Christ is savior
Is that why he's tied to venus through lucifer/morning star quote in bible and this isis symbolism?

>>41398672 (OP)
Would Christ act like Luffy? Gluttony? Ecstasy during fightning?
Remember the teachings of Christ and you can find the answer.

>>41399160
It was the romans that cruxified Yēšūa, it was the evil catholic church that made popular the latin name Iesus as Jesus (to not confuse Yēšūa with the old testament person of the same name).
It's unfortunate Christians have to use the cross to identify their brethren, but Yēšūa is the Messiah and he'll finish (((their))) evil ploys when he returns.

>>41399110
Does anyone have that JC Denton? I need it.

>>41398672 (OP)
It's actually based and SOL pilled, and Nika the Sun god is the hero of human history in this setting.

>>41399225
>It was the romans that cruxified Yēšūa
Romans wanted nothing to do with him, before jews were saying "this man needs to be crucified, he's a heretic"

>>41399251
sun worship ties to Ra

Still wondering if this a story about "jesus"?

>>41399267
Truth nuke

>>41399267
...um. no. Dont think so. Since the Sun God is older and woven into the fabric of reality before any arbitrary devotions were possible.

>>41399302
>shill - the post
Let me guess you're the OP of this thread also? Here to shill some narrative hmm?

>>41399344
I mean I haven't mentioned any characters or authors by name repeatedly like the original poster did... Are you confused about the existence of the sun or something? Are you sure you're not the OP and mad because I brought up something that you weren't ready for?

>>41398672 (OP)

If it was truly pro Christ/Jesus, it would not be promoted to the position it is now.

>>41399365
This

I think the mason lodges must be running dry of new recruits for them to make these kinds of threads here constantly

Its a fantasy story. Yes there is some christian inspiration in One Piece, as well as inspiration from other religions. Its a story about human will and hope and faith. There are narrative parallels for sure. But it doesnt feel as if the story is meant to promote religion, unless you view basic human behaviour and the themes if freedom and empathy as exclusively religious.

>>41398672 (OP)
>Is One Piece pro christ or anti christ?
Does Luffy give his life for the greater good and resurrect?
Does Luffy demand to be worshiped on pain of death?
I haven't seen the anime but I assume the answer is neither.

>>41399937
Yes and no

>>41398672 (OP)
It definitely takes inspiration from some parts of the Bible. It also hints at more esoteric topics than other shonen.

>>41398672 (OP)
IC XC NI KA = Jesus Christ Conquers
Luffy = Nika
Luffy has Conquerors (Nika) Haki
Luffy is Jesus
The world government is the synagogue of satan, run by demons
Imu is either satan or the demiurge (probably more likely the demiurge in that Imu and the Celestial Dragons claim to be the creators of the world but they're false creators).
They label their enemies "demons" (fake news is a recurring theme in one piece) similar to how Jesus was prosecuted by the pharisees (false prophets and "miracles" done by demons were not uncommon at the time and even some Roman authors thought Jesus could have learned magic in Egypt).
Luffy will be the true savior to the world.

>>41398672 (OP)
Funny that Oda is more of a /x/bro then all the other mangakas that directly do demon/amgel/paranormal stores.

>>41399181
>Christ:go to a party turns water into wine
>Also Christ: let's eat these nitter veggies, bro
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>Christ: prince of Peace
>Also Christ: sell your cloak and buy a sword
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Conclusion:No one knows, God does however He pleases

>>41398761
looks very gay coded

>>41400071
Luffy doesn't do things for the greater good. He does everything to protect his friends and become pirate king

>>41398741
The Christ's second coming supposedly involves destroying the old, fallible world as a warrior-poet-king conqueror. Revelations makes no mention of a single antichrist, it's all modern Church fear porn.

>>41399110
This anon is correct, all the evil destructive descriptions of a man destroying the world are describing the Christ in Revelations taking off his "Mr. Nice Guy" gloves. Holy or christ-like individuals have nothing to fear from him hence talk of the rapture, it's between the lines that if your POV rests with the new heaven that this great change isn't a bad thing but very good.

Likewise the Prometheus / Lucifer figure we see so much is not antichrist for telling anons how to read symbolism and use "magic." Stories about them are not automatically evil, especially when like One Piece they correctly portray the real evils being overthrown or usurped by the good guy.

>>41401355
>>Likewise the Prometheus / Lucifer figure we see so much is not antichrist for telling anons how to read symbolism and use "magic."
what

>>41404325
It's at the heart of every depiction, the Promtheus figure always teaches magic it's just called something different in every story.

Luffy champions the deciphering of occult mystery by unearthing various islands' ancient truths which when exposed and properly understood turn the world government upside down. His magic is not fireballs it's truth, unity, and knowledge.

https://fandomwire.com/one-piece-the-original-sun-god-nika-may-have-drove-the-lunarians-into-near-extinction-but-for-a-good-reason/
>What the theory implies is the Lunarians were a great threat when they descended to the One Piece world. It is assumed they tried to enslave people due to their powers, which might explain why the Fish Men had to hide underwater since fire wouldn’t be able to reach them. More than that, some fans also added that their flames might have been the fuel for the Ancient Weapons.

>However, Sun God Nika, assuming he was possibly a Lunarian, defied his people and gave others the people of Earth parts of his flame. This would earn him the title of the Sun God, giving people the power of the sun. The Ancient Kingdom was then built on rebellion and freedom, fighting alongside Joy Boy.

>>41398672 (OP)
>This thing sure is popular, but how does it relate to me and my wacky beliefs?

>>41401019
Luffy is generally what most would call a good person tho, and he makes a habit of helping people through his actions

We need a One Piece general to address all these questions

>>41406488
so luffy is satan/lucifer, the angel who rebelled? gotcha

>>41398672 (OP)
My intuition telling me it's anti-Christ. It has become obvious, similar to Hollywood movies, just in manga/anime form.

>>41407146
>My intuition telling me it's anti-Christ
Okay, based

I just want to ask?
How is it anti-hristic to fight for freedom and against the enslavement of a one world government of oppressive rulers and depraved aristocrats?
That's literally what Jesus Christ did and died for. So how is it anti christ? Unless we go into some weird anti christ means christ come again, or replacing christ, or whatever (since anti means replace/opposition/against)

>>41407217
Because christianity is about leaving these kinds of fight to god to fight, and not become a lucifer or whatever. It says on bible if you pick the sword, you're gonna fall on a sword. Basically leave this shit to god.

There's also the argument to be made that maybe enemy knows it's already lost, and now all it's really doing is trying to make as many "higher vibrational" beings fall by making them lower themselves to the same level as he (the devil or whatever evil) is at. Basically by doing same stuff (fight fire with fire or whatever) the evil is doing, you reduce yourself to same level as evil, and when god comes he wont be able to save you. This could be why so many things now is masonic/demonic, because they're doing everything in their power to get you to fall, get good people to crawl on lower levels of consciousness through sin. It would explain also these drama shows on streaming platform that make fun of lolcows, since that's very masonic thing in origin and when you consume this kind of content you're enjoying the misfortune of someone else (the targets of these shows). So even "dark humor" is being employed to make as many people as possible fall, and the jester gets rewarded with monetary compensation by the system for making more people fall.

I think there was some passage "it's ok to get angry, but don't be consumed by anger" or something. Basically take the red pills, but don't play the game. Weirdly gnostic

its tranime, so yeah id imagine transjewish people would be into it

>>41407235
this has nothing to do with One Piece, Luffy and his use of violence. You say we shouldn't take the sword and basically defend ourselves so what should we do? Endure until something happens? It is said in all sacred books that if you want some change in your life you gotta take action. Jesus himself used a whip if I remember correctly at some point

>>41407417
>this has nothing to do with One Piece, Luffy and his use of violence.
I'm giving the other anon a biblical context they seemed to be asking with
>How is it anti-hristic to fight for freedom and against the enslavement of a one world government of oppressive rulers and depraved aristocrats?

so
>You say we shouldn't take the sword and basically defend ourselves
most Christians would not do these revolutionary stuff portrayed on one piece

>Endure until something happens?
if you follow scripture, I think that's what most Christians would do

>It is said in all sacred books that if you want some change in your life you gotta take action
Where does it say that in the bible?

>Jesus himself used a whip if I remember correctly at some point
yeah but it was tied to a certain context at that moment, to kick the merchants out from temple. He doesn't advocate using whip or sword for bigger actions/operations

>>41407511
So christianity is supposed to be somekind of slave's religion? Like let's hope something happens but don't defend yourself, don't try to change anything, endure and shut your mouth?

>>41398672 (OP)
Why does it matter? Why do you even watch that shit in the first place?

>>41398672 (OP)
>Christ
>Antichrist
Ah the two sides of the same coin dialectics. Capitalism vs communism. No thanks.

>>41406712
He's definitely a Satan according to the evil World Government.

https://youtu.be/u2_jdQGongg

>>41407844
The idea of the strawhats being seen as demons and then acting as ones is central to their characters and group. I think it'w quite interesting to see that Nico Robin was just a girl wrongfully demonized by people and the world gvt only for her to become quite literally a demon with her latest power up in Wano. Same goes for Sanji since Enies Lobby with his diable jambe, his eyebrows and then the revelation of his true nature in WCI. Then we also have Chopper we decided to become a true monster for Luffy and the crew in order to protect them. Brook is somekind of ghost, Usop is a tengu, Franky is Frankenstein... And we finally have Zoro who says in Wano that he'll be the king of hell. Now what's also interesting is that in contrast to these, Luffy became the incarnation of a God (Nika, the sun god). So we have Luffy the God and his apostles that decide to take on the role of demons to protect him

>>41407547
It's almost as if you understand but aren't willing to admit it.

>>41407956
No I am willing to admit it, I don't really care since I'm not christian, I'm just trying to understand. But what do you think about christianity then? Isn't it self destructive?

>>41407951
>>41406527
>his apostles that decide to take on the role of demons to protect him
... while he helps people with his actions? and fights tyranny? maybe they're the real angels, the knights of god certainly aren't the holy ones. at a certain you gotta realize the monster shit is just cool-anime-shit and the entire rest of the story shows them as the good guys. one piece is pretty clear who the saturnic satanist characters are.

>>41407972
I'm sorry, anon. It depends. "Christianity" is just a name but has multiple interpretations with a lot of them being so vile and antihuman in their execution that every other movement would have been banned for. In its modern form it perverts culture and thinking, twisting people into submitting to their masters. It works as a propaganda tool to keep society docile like sheep while the ones in charge are perfectly aware of the deception and exploit it.

>>41407989
no but I agree with you 100%. The straw hats are the good guys and the so called "gods" are actual demons. It's just funny to see the decision of Oda to make them appear as devils to the general public
>>41408008
Agreed

In some myths Lucifer is considered to be the son of Aurora : the dawn. Luffy is Lucifer yeah especially now that he has his god-like powers. He's the one that brings the dawn as they say in Wano and other arcs. But it's weird to me that Oda decided to go this way since Luffy is mostly doing all this pirate adventure for his own enjoyment

His father's name is Dragon, btw.
He's the leader of the Revolutionary Army and has the power to control the weather.

>>41408286
no we don't know yet if he can actually control the weather or if events of Loguetown were just a manifestation of Luffy's luck/destiny

>>41408302
He's not beating the allegations.

>>41408324
yeah so far he's very uninteresting

>>41407844
>He's definitely a Satan
Ok

>according to the evil World Government.
nooo, that's just the inversion from the satan worshipper who wrote this manga... we're not doing this shit again are we? do glowies have some agenda to paint that one piece isn't luciferian or something? I see this thing brought up too many times now for it not to be inorganic

>>41408302
>no we don't know yet if he can actually control the weather or if events of Loguetown were just a manifestation of Luffy's luck/destiny
Did you speed read through the manga? There's a kuma flashack or something where he tells kuma he's going to loguetown or something. That and him rescuing sabo (especially the anime adaptation of the scene when dragon lands back on the ship) is clear indication he can control the wind

>>41409378
>That and him rescuing sabo (especially the anime adaptation of the scene when dragon lands back on the ship) is clear indication he can control the wind
No it's not a "clear indication". As of right now we still don't know what are Dragon's powers and that's it. You can make theories sure, but that's all you can do.

>>41409485
So you did not see the anime scene of him landing on the ship? He clearly is using the wind to levitate himself.

>>41399181
I mean, he gets thin almost instantly. It's a common theme in anime. They burn lots of energy because they are so strong. They need extra food for the energy.

I was quite athletic in my teens (not exceptionally athletic, just athletic) and I was literally hungry all of the time. I could eat 1,000s of calories daily, and no matter what, I couldn't gain weight.

>>41409636
are you seriously bringing up the anime to give weight to your assumption?

>>41409361
its because people dont understand that its a double inversion

Luffy is not anti-christ or christ, he is Luffy.

One Piece takes alot of inspiration from mythologies around the world, but doesn't fully subscribe or describe any of them.

Enjoy the story and how it makes you feel, you see the clearly evil Celestial Dragons doing evil shit, and you enjoy Luffy fighting back at those bastards.

That's it.
Stop overthinking it.
If anything, focus on the real life parallels the story is presenting, that are happening right now.
Not some 2000 year old book.

>>41410236
>One Piece takes alot of inspiration from mythologies around the world, but doesn't fully subscribe or describe any of them.
idk man the themes are pretty consistent
>>41410236
>If anything, focus on the real life parallels the story is presenting, that are happening right now.
>Not some 2000 year old book.
i dont know if you know this man but the shit in the 2000 year old book is happening now

>Ivankov learns the truth of the world in Genesis
what did Oda mean by this

>>41410517
Oh nevermind you are a sheep that believes anything they're told, carry on!

>>41410711
cant fool you!

>>41410638
yeah it's interesting. Genesis is basically a hebrew book. It's jewish by nature. And Imu and his holy knights and the celestial dragons within th "holy" land of Marijoie kind of symbolize that. At least there's a parallel here for sure. And they're evil obviously.

>>41398672 (OP)

Well, we both like it.

>>41410236
>Luffy is not anti-christ or christ, he is Luffy.
At this point, I'm convinced this must be some kind of shill doing the work, trying to recruit more people in their cause or something. Surely nobody is this stupid, right? Is this what it's like to be a hylic

Tbh his master (Dragon Ball) was more obvious

>>41414141
Those classic quads

>>41414141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELhT9W6gwzI

>>41399110
>>41399160
ok, christ killer.

>>41411974
>"hylic"
Nice try Christcuck. One Piece names the Jew and exposes the Jesuits and ""Christian"" orders to be satanic power-hungry tyrants. No amount of derailing will stop this train.

>>41415760
Hmmm not really, Kuma and the buccaneers worship Nika and Kuma was used to carrying a bible when he was a shishibukai. Kuma even prays in a church and there's lot of christian symbolism in his flashback. Still, there's also these symbols on the world gvt side and on Imu and his knights so it's a mixed bag. One Piece is just melting pot of a lot of different things.

>>41416033
Exactly, it's not black and white that's the whole point. Detractors and shills are using Abrahamic fear-based associations to convince anons to stop alchemizing truth from the disclosure in OP because OP is le demonic. It's silly because half the board or more is already engaged in so-called ""demonic"" occult practices of our own. Ironically while exposing tptb just like Luffy does the celestial dragons.

>>41416033
>>41416069
it's sad watching people argue who dont get its a double inversion (nice digits tho)

>>41416198
>DERAIL: as you can see goy what a coincidence your redpill show about evil elite Zionists is itself evil
Lol you did the thing.

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41362332/#q41370617

>>41416198
gtfo

>>41416221
>one piece is a redpill!
>one piece is demonic!
stuck on the false dichotomy, you are

>>41416293
>can't read
Sorry maybe I should've posted it in Hebrew.

>>41416300
telling on yourself a bit, arent ya?

>>41416302
>the poster calling out Zionist Jews and Jesuits is a Jew
Nice logic, faggot.

>>41416313
i dont know hebrew but you're offering to post in hebrew so...

>>41416293
are you retarded? Ok so you guys can't read and that's why it's always hard to talk with you, everything is clear now

>>41416331
>you guys
who do you think you are talking to