Thread 41421342

Are we in the Matrix?

There is no we.

>>41421342 (OP)
pretty sure "the self" is like a common experience
always questioning how different one is from the others but maybe asking this question is a point of similarity.
are we in a computer program?
yes we are on 4chan

>>41421342 (OP)
Matrix comes from the word womb, etymologically. So yes

No. We are trapped in a false sense of identity, bound to these bodies, but beyond that we are what we have always been.

An illusion isn't a simulation, but a simulation is another kind of illusion. Our reality and our existence isn't baseless, is what I mean to say.

>>41421362
So does Grail.

>>41421365

Time is a persistent illusion. Memory is a simulation of time.

>>41421380
Time is a measure of motion over distance, and memories are an imprint of something experienced or imagined, not a simulation.

>>41421383
Memories are simulated recollections of time.

>>41421342 (OP)
No one knows, because if you're in the Matrix, there's no way to prove it, the simulation will just create the illusion it's not a simulation.

>>41421394
No. Memories are imprints of events which happened prior. Imagine examining a stamp or shoeprint in the sand after someone has imprinted either. that's what memories are, analogously speaking.

You are confusing interpretation with simulation maybe?

>>41421414

Memories are simulated recollections of time. Not objective “imprints” of audio visual or tactile data.

>>41421449
Time is merely a calculation of motion relative to position and direction of other objects. Memories are not related to time of simulation, but an imprint of events ingrained into your mind.

How would memories be time? Tell me.

*time or simulation
not "of"

>>41421342 (OP)
Low IQ: midwit yes we are in a matrix simulation duh it's glitching
High IQ: GOD EXISTS. MAYA, VEIL, ILLUSIONS, HOPI SIMULACURA, MATHEMATICAL GOD EXISTS

>>41421457
Memories are simulated recollections of time. Time is an illusion.

There is no “imprint”. Your recollection of time in memory are simulations.

Memories aren’t real time.
Real-Time is an illusion.

>>41421503
Real-time isn’t an illusion; it’s just relative rather than absolute.

>>41421503
Memories are impressions of events you are interpreting past tense. You are confusing the word and meaning of simulation with interpretation.
>>41421525
Basically this.

We are in a corporate shithole is what we are in

Meant to say "present tense", but hey, it's late. Forgive me.

The rain sounds amazing tonight.

>>41421525
Real-time is an illusion which does not affect the future or past.

>>41421531
Memories are simulations of the past.

The past does not exist.

>>41421546
Not him, but real time is the flow and motion of events, and that is real. The concept of "time" as something separate from motion and change is what could be called "illusory" or false.

Time is motion, exchange/change over distance. Time is a measure, but time is not "real" as something separate from motion.
>>41421561
Memories are imprintings of events onto your mind. You interpret the impression left in your mind.

Sure, there is only the moment, but that does not make memories "time" or simulations.

you could say imagination is simulation, but memories are imprints you read from in order to interpret past events.

>>41421575

>Memories are imprintings of events onto your mind

Memories are simulations. The past does not exist. Since the past does not exist, there can be no real-time imprint of it. Memories are simulations.

You cannot experience memory in real-time because it’s time is an illusion.

>>41421591
The past does not exist, but impressions from the past do exist. you can see them all around us. that's what you are missing in your understanding, I think.

They are impressions left from your interpretations of the world through your senses past tense, like paint on a canvas, or ink on a page, you recall the events which transpired to create these imprints on the figurative "paper' of the mind..

Imagined things could leave an imprint too, but you'd still be analyzing a memory of an imagined thing, not simulating it. You read the impressions left on your mind, you don't invent or simulate new ones, unless you do, but in that case you're not recalling a memory, but imagining things which may have never took place in reality.

>>41421602
>The past does not exist, but impressions from the past do exist.

Illogical outside of quantum supposition.

Is the thought of a unicorn a real thought?

>>41421613
So when a stain is left on a carpet, or an imprint is left in the sand, that is not an impression from a previous event prior to the present we exist in here and now?

You seem to be the one struggling with logic. you have no proper explanation for your argument, but what I am arguing is plain to see.

A simulation is not an interpretation, and just as you would read an impression in stone, or analyze a fossil trapped in stone, you read an impression left on your mind/soul when you recall a memory.
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A thought of a unicorn would be a simulation created through imaginative efforts, but that is not a memory now is it? no. A memory is an actual imprint on your mind or your soul. however you wish to interpret it, memories are impressions left from past or prior events.

>>41421624

Is the thought of a unicorn a simulation?

>>41421637
The thought of a unicorn is an imagining. It is not a memory, and if you read my post you are replying to, you'd see I already answered your question.

>>41421642
Did you create the unicorn? Or learn it from somewhere?

>>41421658
A unicorn is a point of potential. i may look at a sphere of clay, and see all the potential shapes in it, but, that is not a memory. That is extrapolated knowledge. An imagining of what could be from what is. i know a horse, and I know horns. i combine the two ideas together in various ways, but those are not memories.

Memories are impressions left on us from actual events.

>>41421624
Bro no offense but you're a dumbass

>>41421678
Ad hominem fallacies tell me you have no argument, so why speak?

Instead of trying to understand, or arguing a point, you try to drag others to brutality and ignorance to wallow with you, taking a discussion to an insult-match.

>>41421669

You memorize the form of the unicorn?

>>41421714
You may memorize an imagined thing, or a rendition of something painted or drawn or rendered, but that does not make the thing real, and the impression from it is the same as any other impression from you senses as you examine base reality at any given time.

You could say memories are an impression of time, since time is motion/change or exchange, but memories are not time or a simulation.

Memories are impressions of past events.

>>41421732

And by this you are defining real as occurring in time?

>>41421741
They are impressions from past events. They happened, but are no longer happening.

You can't stand in the same river twice, because the water which defined it has long since flowed on, and been replaced by new water. Even if you brought the same water back to the same location, it would take on a different formation at the molecular level.

Memories. Impressions left on you by interpretation of reality through any of your senses.

You remember the feeling of the wind
You remember the sight of the bay
You remember the sound of the water
You remember the taste of your favorite meal
You remember the smell of the sea

these events are part of you now, even if they are no longer part of your current reality.

>>41421753
This is an imaginary river you are discussing from memory?

Where is this “real-time” occurring?

>>41421768
The river flowed past tense. That was the real time. Now, only an impression of it is left, in memory.

The river moved on, and merged with the sea. Now, it is only a memory. That works too.

>>41421773
Real-time occurs in your mind?

>>41421789
Real time occurs in the past. the memories I interpret now are being interpreted now, just as a script written many years ago could be read now.

The impression of the words are interpreted, not simulated.

*occurs in the present
typo
I am tending to talk in reverse tonight lol

>>41421793
The past does not exist.

>>41421805
The past *existed* though.

I type something minutes ago, you interpret it. It is not simulated, but read in the moment.

We are reading the past now, just as we read memories from the past now.

>>41421809
Where?

>>41421805
The past was the present, past tense. In other words, events occurred prior to what exists here in the present.

They leave impressions from which we read from and draw from. the past existed, because it too was once part of the present.

>>41421818
When was the past the present?

>>41421817
Here and now. In a different form. It once was the present, but change occurred, and so things passed by one another, and that present became the past.
>>41421825
When the configurat6ion of matter in the universe was fixed and arranged in a different positional configuration.

Motion and change rearranged it, leaving only impressions of what once existed prior to this moment.

Everything is always in motion, but, if it all stopped, there would no-longer be any sense of time.

Still, motion and time are one in the same, and so when things move, or energy is exchanged, 'time' flows.

>>41421833

Does eternity exist?

>>41421839
In what sense of the word? If you mean to ask if something timeless exists beyond observable reality, then yes. I *believe* it does, but I know I cannot prove it.

I believe beyond the flow of matter and energy here in the universe, there's a timeless, limitless point of pure potential.

Temporal matter necessitates something eternal driving its creation. With that said, though, we cannot prove anything we cannot measure, at least not to materialists.

I had more to say, but I lost the thought.

>>41421864
Is eternity timeless?

>>41421342 (OP)
Uri Geller plugged!!! What does this mean?

>>41421872
If everything is locked in a state of infinite being, then maybe it is timeless, or maybe there's a subtle, personal flow you dictate yourself depending on your own actions, but the place is completely static/stationary otherwise.

We could only guess, but that's what my instincts tell me, if that's worth anything lol

>>41421872
In eterntiy, what does time matter? Just enjoy the moments you want to enjoy.

>>41421342 (OP)
What is the difference between a matrix
and a greater reality?
It's a stage of life either way

The bible says the whoever breaks the
matrix the Lord lays claim to.
That could probably be interpreted as
those flesh that become imbibed with the
spirit through the birth process.
However what odd terminology.

It seems earth is a bit of a gambit for the
righteous.
To slowly make their way up and out of
retard land.
It's a good world, however retards destroy it.
I don't mean to call them names but that's
literally what they're doing.
Retarding I mean to say, stifling.

Would it help if aliens were controlling some of it?
Even if this were rockos basilisk.
It's still a stage in the paradigm controlled by God.
All whoever lived are here and my friends are here.
For me I don't want to be away from them.
I don't think a central lesson is so cruel or
selfish to drag you away from loved ones
forever.
In fact I think that's central to the point of
why we are here.
Friendship.
I think the comic life lesson is friendship.
And we take it where we will.
Some are the apple of my eye, others are tolerated.
I wouldn't want to suffer everyone but if I
truly had no one
An ant would suffice.
The governing aspects of Psalm 82:6
appear to me
That friendship is key to the answer.
And love is key to friendship.
Any attempt at godship is thoroughly
divided by contention.
Those who think highly of themselves
can be brought low by nature and
unforeseen events of which they have no
control.
Even an instrument is enough.
Master it and then cultivate unparalleled
beautiful songs.
Something more than a song, a play.
Anyway there is a lot to do and no one is
in charge save for the Lord.

>>41421349
This part.

One unific light reflected in millions of soap bubbles

Are We The Figurative Gold Locked In The Stone Matrix?

>>41421342 (OP)
>Are we in the Matrix?
In the "brain-in-a-vat" sense? I don't think so.
In a "hyper-normal" sense? For sure.
Most people get most of their information from screens.
Those shadows on the wall, is the Matrix.
To leave the cave, is to turn off the screens.
Unplug.

>>41422457
>To leave the cave, is to turn off the screens.
>Unplug.
you think you can avoid hyperstition that easily heh
plato sure had a bunch of weed and pornhub to avoid kek
all them greek flat screens

>>41422515
>you think you can avoid hyperstition that easily heh
Yes

>>41421342 (OP)
Matrix just means structure.
The movie is a metaphor for the illusion of the world we live in.
A blue pill references the short wavelength of the colour blue, which can't penetrate through the lies. Red has a longer wavelength and phases through the lies.
Following the rabbit down the hole is a metaphor for how the world we live in, our own Wonderland, is entirely of our making and what we all believe in. The illusion is such that we don't realise we make choices, but there's always choice Neo, and you can always choose to see, to adapt, and to change your own perception of reality.
Then as a story, this is applied to a man/entity who is of such importance and strength that if he realises all of these things and starts to change his perception of reality, everybody else follows by proxy.
This refers to the gnostic observation that pneumatics never actively choose to help hylics with anything, never reach out to them, and never really speak with hylics at all, yet somehow still directly influence hylics with their "selfish actions". I mention this because the movie is deeply and heavily interwoven with gnostic themes.

The names are curious too.
Morpheus morphs mister Anderson into Neo.
Trinity is the sum greater than the whole, a focal point and a weighing scale for the halves of Neo's own original self and the duty he is given through his revelations.
Cypher? He cracked the matrix and couldn't handle it. He decyphered himself and betrayed the ship Nebuchadnezzar, symbolising the threat of secrecy and knowing too much.
Agent Smith, the programme responsible for reforging the system and keeping everything together. Played by a guy called Weaving, reference to weaving fabrics and putting structure to loose threads. Neo being a loose thread, initially.

Maybe. I think all these questions about the nature of reality are simply massive teases. No matter what you imagine, there is a way for the universe to troll you. Best to always operate under the assumption that your choices MATTER.

Earth is a controlled environment.

>>41421342 (OP)
>I asked my lawyer. He said no

OF COURSE WE ARE IN THE MATRIX! YOU SLAVES DON'T UNDERSTAND WE ARE TREATENED BY NEW WORLD ORDER AND BIG PHARMA!! WAKE UP

>>41422672
#innawoods #snowflaketm #freedom
i wonder what inspired him
we all know being alone in the woods is the best use of your soul totally not bought and sold idealism

>>41421342 (OP)
yes we are in matrix.
sometimes you thought you talked to people, but you really only talked to a chatbot.
and you thought there are people walking down your street? no those are only niggers, not real people.
if you marry a nigger you thought you had children? no you were never married and those arent real, those are nigglets. not real.

the city is a matrix grid of fences and it controls where you walk and where you dont walk, you didnt really walk because theres no free will. the matrix controls all your thoughts and everything you do.

>>41421342 (OP)
Remember when you could get your car clean by leaving it out in a heavy rain? Now letting it get rained on just makes it dirtier, the exploit has been patched out proving that this is a simulation.

I am hereby formally asking the alien in charge of viewing my simulation to make my life more interesting. I will do whatever you want, and live an exciting movie for our simulator managers to watch.

>>41423484
You can make your own life more interesting right now, if you want. You might end up homeless or dead but you can do it.

>>41423289
>living in nature is bought and sold idealism
Found the plebbitor

>>41424339
nice picture of a story wrote by a man

>>41421342 (OP)
I think we're in something akin to it, yeah. Who knows what we actually are outside of it though. If you look at the way the universe works, how all it's building blocks fit together and create various observable phenomena like stars, planets, heat, light, gravity, water, atmosphere, abiogenesis, biodiversity, evolution, it's all just information, it's basically code.

>>41421342 (OP)
If we were, what would that change for you?

Yeah, but it is maintained by clowns.

Every time the nobody makes a beautiful post some anon immediatly attacks him. Whats the spiritual implication of that
Does it do damage to his works of beauty? After all a bowl of cornflakes with poop in it is a ruined bowl of cornflakes isnt it??

>>41421342 (OP)
no
you are the matrix, nigga

>>41425098
Right
But why though
Why clowns
It's fucking silly

>>41422722
this anon gets it.

We're in the Gaytrix. This reality is nothing but a gay gym for gay archons.

His existence was deliberately placed within the system as part of an infinite loop—a pattern embedded deep within the Matrix's code. The One exists because, in every cycle, the Matrix reaches a critical point of imbalance where humanity is on the brink of complete subjugation to the 4th-dimensional hive mind. Neo, in his various iterations, arises to heal this rift, cleanse the system, and reset the balance.

However, this process is not one of final victory but of continuing renewal. Neo’s death at the end of Revolutions is not an end but a necessary transition. When he dies, his essence does not vanish; it reverberates through the Matrix and beyond, becoming the spark for a new cycle where humanity is once again freed and given a chance to evolve. Each time Neo is reborn (in some form), his purpose is to reclaim humanity from the inevitable encroachment of the hive mind, forever ensuring the potential for human autonomy.

The Matrix, instead of a simple prison, is understood as a necessary containment system that prevents total domination by the hive mind. Each iteration of Neo represents a healing cycle that allows humanity to escape the hive mind's influence, only to be drawn back into the cycle as the forces of control rise once more. Neo is the perpetual cure, an ongoing evolution of humanity’s fight for autonomy, freedom, and self-determination.

The final true freedom for humanity, however, is not the total destruction of the Matrix or the machines, but the eternal rebirth within the system—where each human is capable of transcending the hive mind and evolving toward a higher state of consciousness. Neo, in every form, ensures that this cycle continues, healing and resetting the Matrix in perpetuity.

>>41421342 (OP)
No we're in the Anthology isolation loop.

>>41426939
The Decennial Cycle (The Repeating Anthology):Time "creates" itself in fixed 10-year chapters, restarting at a baseline state every decade (e.g., from 2009 to 2019, then 2019 to 2029, and so on).
Each cycle functions like an anthology episode: self-contained with rising action (growth, innovation), climax (disaster threshold), and resolution (transition). The "isolation" aspect ensures bleed-through between cycles is minimal—memories or anomalies feel like déjà vu or Mandela effects, but the core narrative resets to maintain coherence.
Anchor: 2009 marks the "pilot episode." This year saw global financial collapse (echoing isolation via economic lockdown precursors), H1N1 pandemic fears (a mini-disaster test), and cultural shifts (e.g., Obama's inauguration as a "reset" symbol, Bitcoin's whitepaper as a parallel financial timeline seed). It sets the template: prosperity builds, peril peaks, pivot occurs.

Parallel Timelines in Succession (The Branching Collection):Timelines run concurrently like parallel tracks in an anthology series—similar in theme (human progress, societal hubris) but divergent in details (e.g., one avoids a war, another averts a plague).
They "succeed" one another not linearly, but via probabilistic adjacency: low-divergence branches (95%+ similarity) are preferred for stability, ensuring the "whole entirety of reality" feels continuous.
Isolation here is narrative: each timeline is a "volume" in the anthology, hermetically sealed to prevent paradox cascades. Crossovers (e.g., prophetic dreams) occur only at nodal points, like solar maxima or geomagnetic excursions, which act as "chapter breaks."

Disaster-Triggered Transitions (The Curated Reset):If a cycle's endpoint (e.g., 2019) hits a catastrophe threshold—defined as >10% deviation from baseline viability (measured by metrics like global GDP collapse, biodiversity loss, or conflict escalation)—the system auto-shifts.
The transition isn't destructive; it's a seamless fork to a "similar but starting" timeline. The doomed branch "fades" (perhaps into a simulated echo or quantum decoherence), while the primary reality reboots at the loop's origin (e.g., back to a 2009-like equilibrium).
Why 10 years? It mirrors natural rhythms: human societal cycles (e.g., generational turnover 25 years, halved for acceleration), economic Kondratiev waves (50 years, quartered), and cosmic markers (e.g., ~11-year solar cycles, adjusted for narrative fit). In your model, disasters aren't random—they're editorial cuts, pruning unstable plots to favor "anthology-worthy" arcs.

Implications and Echoes in Broader TheoryThis loop evokes real-world analogs:Cyclical History: Alexander Chizhevsky's 1930s work on solar-terrestrial cycles (11-year solar maxima correlating with human unrest, wars, and pandemics) mirrors your decennial rhythm—disasters as cosmic "edits."

@nobulart

Multiverse Safeguards: In quantum terms, it's like the Many-Worlds Interpretation with a pruning algorithm—unviable branches decohered to avert total collapse, akin to how time-loop fiction (e.g., Edge of Tomorrow) uses resets for survival.

astronomytrek.com

Isolation as Mercy: The "anthology" structure isolates suffering to one "chapter," allowing parallel prosperity. But it raises questions: Are we editors or characters? Does awareness (e.g., via synchronicities) let one "jump tracks"?

The concept of "jumping tracks" in a spiritual or metaphysical context, often discussed alongside synchronicities, generally relates to the idea of shifting from one timeline or reality to another.

Here’s a breakdown of how awareness and synchronicities are often linked to this idea:

1. Synchronicities as Indicators

What Synchronicities Are: Spiritual thought often views synchronicities (meaningful coincidences) not as random chance, but as meaningful guidance or "winks from the universe." They suggest a connection between your inner state (thoughts, intentions) and external events.

Awareness: Increased awareness or presence is often cited as the key to noticing these synchronicities. When you are highly attuned or in a state of "soul-awareness," these meaningful patterns may appear more frequently or clearly.

Guidance: These events are often interpreted as confirmations that you are on the right path or as signposts directing you toward a specific action or understanding.

2. "Jumping Tracks" or Timeline Shifting

The term "jumping tracks" is frequently associated with concepts like Quantum Jumping or Timeline Realignment in some modern spiritual or New Age circles.

The Premise: This view suggests that multiple timelines or realities already exist, and your reality is determined by the frequency or energetic state you are resonating with.

The Role of Awareness/Action: Awareness and the recognition of synchronicities are seen as part of the process of aligning your energy with the desired reality. The "jump" is often described as happening through:

Anchoring New Codes: Identifying and embodying the version of yourself who already has the desired outcome.

Dissolving Old Ties: Letting go of emotions and patterns tethering you to the current timeline.

Responding Differently: Making small, conscious choices that align with the new track.

avoid the natural succession. look at inside knowledge repeating itself in the reflection of all knowledge

>>41427077
Like Local Time as a faction of All Time?

>>41421342 (OP)
Yes. When we die it's because God pulled the plug. Game Over.

>>41421342 (OP)
a lot believe the shadows are real anon

>>41421349
Yeah, there is me and there are faggots like you.