Thread 41457955

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Revelations 21:8

This fearmongering isn't going to work on anyone it hasn't already.

>>41457955 (OP)
>I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad-redeemer, your divine Democrat, your Hebrew madman and write over his thorn-torn brow -The true prince of evil, the king of the slaves!

>I gaze into the glassy eye of your fearsome Jehovah, and pluck him by the beard — I uplift a broad-axe and split open his worm-eaten skull.

>>41457955 (OP)
yep this will help convert people, thanks for spreading the good word

Define sexually immoral.

>>41457955 (OP)
>Barely intelligible growls
Any Song

Remember when that black chick went to hell and Biggie Smalls was down there lol

>>41457955 (OP)

It's not God's fault that all of those "oh im so smart" libshits have to go somewhere after death.

>>41457955 (OP)
I dont rape or murder so im good op

>>41457955 (OP)
>their portion
Yes, the sinful parts of the soul get incinerated. Problem?

>>41457955 (OP)
Is hell like eternal or does it just delete your soul forever? I think it's the latter

>>41460068
Your soul becomes slop and gets poured into the Hell's soup with other sloppified souls. Hell is just an ocean of slop

>>41457955 (OP)
https://benthams.substack.com/p/universalism-a-comprehensive-defense?utm_source=publication-search

### Section 11: Revelation

The Book of Revelation is a very weird book. It includes these prophecies that many think are of the second coming. The main infernalist passages people point to in revelation are Revelation 20:10-15

“And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. … And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

I think using this as an infernalist proof text is very problematic.

0. The literal translation of the words typically translated as forever and ever is aiōnas ton aiōnōn which literally means ages of the ages. But that doesn’t mean it’s eternal, as was discussed before.
1. The infernalist reading on which people are literally cast into fire and burning sulfur is quite barbaric. Instead, the universalist reading makes sense of why sulfur is used, for sulfur was used in gold and silver refining. Zech ariah 13:9 describes fire being used for refinement, as does Isaiah 48:10 , and Malachi 3:3. First Corinthians 3:15 says "If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames,” and many other verses have similar themes. In combination with the broader biblical themes and book of revelation, this is saying that believers will suffer persecution now, but those who do not believe and reject the good will be painfully refined, suffering more in total.

>>41460146
2. Revelation 6:14-16 describes the “kings of the earth” hiding from the lamb and Revelation 19:19 describes the kings of the earth declaring war against the lamb, and Revelation 17:1-2 makes the same point. They are consistently the bad guys in the book of revelation, as well as in Psalms 2:2-3 and Acts 4:26. However, Revelation 21:24-26 says “By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.” Psalm 72:11 says “All the Kings of the Earth will worship him and all the nations shall serve him.” The nations also sided with the anti-Christ, yet they will enter the city. This means that the kings of the earth who rebel against Jesus and the nations will eventually enter the city.
3. The book of Revelation is a deeply confusing and poetic book—it’s not really clear what it’s talking about. It might be talking about the Roman-Jewish war, as many theologians have argued. It’s hard to draw any firm theological conclusions from this. Its purpose was to help keep the faith of Christians facing persecution, describing in poetic terms how their faith would pay off, but it shouldn’t be taken literally, unless one thinks that sinners will literally lie in fire.
4. The word used is basanisthēsontai which often just means suffering. But universalists think people will suffer as knowledge of their sins washes over them. They think they will be cleansed and purified through the love of the lord.

>>41457955 (OP)
>le epic death-coping text from 2000 years

>>41457955 (OP)
IOWs, Christcucks..

>>41458159
They should be up front about it. If people "get saved" but aren't perfectly observing all 613 mizvot like Rabbi Yeshua, they're going to hell.

>>41460710
Begone Pharisee.

>>41460068
>Is hell eternal
yes

>Luke 16:22-25
The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. And he called out, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.


This is a parable which Jesus presented, its not literal but it presents a principle
The was never such a dialogue between Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man, but this story potrays that the souls of those who are rejected by Christ are not destroyed, instead they are sent through an eternal tribulation, where one experiences anguish forever, with no chance for a salvation.

>>41461035
It is literal. In all of the other parables Jesus never mentions a name. In this one he does. Lazarus and the rich man are real beings who lived. Old Testament saints went to Abraham’s bosom because the Lord had not paid for all their sins yet. Once he did, he went down into Abraham’s bosom and brought them all up at the resurrection.

Use KJV all other English versions are Vatican slop

I see a fraction of /x/ still dors that thing of reading verses from a book and expecting us to shit and piss ourselves so I will do it again.

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~Ara, ara, anon-kun, don't you know Hell won? Jesus and YHVH were devoured by maggots, it would be a good idea to pretend the bible doesnt exist by now.

>>41462012
>all up at the resurrection.
which didnt happen yet