Thread 41469424

how can you believe in god and the eternal soul when gore videos exist

gore is a consequence of physical existence. god and the soul are outside of physical existence.

>>41469447
prove it

>>41469450
think of a video game. if we are the playable characters in the video game, then from our point of view (the playable character) the world is physical. we can't go through walls, if we fall we take damage, if we go underwater we can drown, etc. but from the point of view of the player (the soul) the playable character and the world they are in are non-physical. from the point of view of the playable character, the player is non-physical. the source of the video game (god) is also outside of the video game. we wouldn't expect to find the computer that computes the video game in the video game. since the soul and god can communicate to give each other the choices and the results of those choices in the video game they must also be in the same reality frame (non-physical). therefore, the soul and god are non-physical and outside of this "physical" reality.

why wouldn't god do anything about the gore? because it's in a video game. it's horrible and upsetting but it is actually not a permanent thing and the soul is completely protected from it. just a consequence of playing a video game with this level of physics and rules. like in a video game, if there aren't any consequences, you don't really care if you kill thousands of people in a video game. they aren't "real". however, if you make a very detailed, immersive video game then you will feel the consequences and it will feel real.

>>41469450
also quantum physics

>>41469424 (OP)
Easy. I believe god is evil and does evil things all the time.

>>41469424 (OP)
It's super justified that he throws us in a very very long hell, his jahhanam fire

>>41469424 (OP)
God gave us free will so that we would disobey because it is only through disobedience that we can obtain true knowledge. Through sin and atonement we are both enlightened and purified. Then we can return to God with the knowledge of evil that we possess without Him ever getting his hands dirty, so to speak.

Once God started thinking about it he wanted to try something else and he split into a zillion alternative possibilities. He isn't God anymore, the throne is empty and if "God" ever reassembles himself it won't last long and "he" will split off into a zillion possibilities again.

>>41469858
He throws himself into Hell and then talks himself out of it again.

>>41469695
Maltheism is indeed a somewhat viable option.

dumb frog poster

>>41469424 (OP)
Because God is infinite and all-inclusive, and that includes things I dont like.

>>41469505
>you don't really care if you kill thousands of people in a video game. they aren't "real".
God made the video game "perfect", yes? So we can accept that what is simulated is simulated to the ultimate degree.
So...what is the difference between feeling happy, and the simulation of feeling happy to a perfect degree?
What is the difference between actual suffering, and a perfect simulation of suffering?

The sprites in video games dont suffer. The designed did not make them to suffer.
Not so with God.
We suffer in this video game.
You might say the situations arent real, the harm isnt real - but the SUFFERING is completely real.

If there were a video game that I KNEW caused suffering to the sprites inside, I would never play it.
Would you?

>>41469933
>it is only through disobedience that we can obtain true knowledge
Why? Who made this rule? God?
If God made the rule, why cant He change it?
If God didnt make this rule, then why consider that being God?

What if i told you. You were he. And I am you. And no the greater loved you as myself. God is everywhere. He is. The more guy. He shouldn't because he is ignorant to the truth of this. We are watching you all all the time i have sorrow. Take the video delete it and dont return. Then I win.

>>41470347
>Would you?
Yes, because I am right now. We all are at this very moment. A giant PVE server with every type of interaction imaginable, including a well developed personality growth system, giving depth to all things we do both internal as the character and external as to the world around us.

If the highest goal of a video game is immersion, VR games as an example, you wouldn't want to be conscious of the fact that you're playing a video game. You'd want to live it, breathe it, and as a consequence, you can become so affixed to it that you forget you exist beyond the screen. That is Life

Who created you?
Who created her?
Who created creation?
Who created creator?
Who created that?
If the big bang created everything?
What started it?
Who defines the physical laws.
What about metaphysics beyond the physical.
Before the thought, before, the thinker, before existence itself, into something that can not be explained. Like everything you've ever failed, better than your best dreams, a thousand petals blooming beyond the grave illuminating you with everything you could want and nothing you envy but living in the time that has no name or place ever after and now and before to a hundred and more things to please thee my love. Its you.

>>41470392
>Yes, because I am right now.
Then you are evil, sadistic, and malevolent.

God doesn't make gore videos. People do. Free will and all that

>>41470423
Free will doesn't exist

The only "natural" way gore occurs to humans would be if they fell off a cliff or got mauled by a bear. Car crashes cause gore but they are a human creation. Weapons cause gore but they are a human creation. As you can see, most gore is caused by human selfishness and greed (desire to drive fast cars) and evil (intention to hurt someone else; self-defense of course is not evil).

God literally gave us all a other half twinsoul gf walking around somewhere

God is based. If he was cruel he would have just made adam and no gf for him hahaha forever alone

>>41469424 (OP)
The fate of all mortals is to die, there's nothing unusual about that.

>>41470347
>God made the video game "perfect", yes?
perfect doesn't exist
>what is the difference between feeling happy, and the simulation of feeling happy to a perfect degree?
>What is the difference between actual suffering, and a perfect simulation of suffering?
we don't know if feelings are a part of this physical reality (could be due to our bodily composition). our soul might not have such a function. there are many different mechanisms to deal with the pain. you hear about people who have amnesia about a traumatic event. in those cases, their soul left so they don't need to experience the pain. once they are able to deal with it, the memories come back. pain is a feedback mechanism to protect ourselves and not meant as a sadistic tool to hurt us.

physical pain is a consequence of physical reality. it's not that deep. the suffering is not real. once you die, you'll wake up from this reality like a dream. it will fade away like it never happened.

there is a goal to having such a video game reality. if we are a part of this consciousness system (soul, god, the computer) and connected to it, then when we do good the system benefits. when we do bad the system is harmed. therefore, our purpose is to become love, become selfless, and help others. this video game is so we have a place to challenge ourselves to become love. the reason god is doing this is because it is not perfect. it needs us, as a piece of god, to help it grow and learn. so this isn't about us. it's about the entire system growing and we are a part of that growth.

>>41469505
is this knowledge why indians are so playful around trains?

>>41469424 (OP)
You think there is only one God? How globohomo of you.

>>41470700
He made Adam from dirt and ripped out Adam’s rib to make eve. Which is weird since men have xy chromosomes and women have xx guess he needed to add some genetics to the y r
To make it an X . Also Jews believe Adam was a Hamaphrodite before the operation see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon


So YHWH is some sort of genetic bio engineer? Making mud men golems and then women from their ribs?

>>41470435
I guess you better shit yourself because I said so then

>>41469424 (OP)
I don't know who taught you this, but a gods were never about good or evil. The problem of evil is solved very simply, a gods do not abandon evil because it is natural for the hierarchy. People don't see a problem in eating livestock, so there are creatures that eat people and don't see a problem in it either. The higher one doesn't really care about the lower one. If you want to rise above, serve someone who is superior to you but is still close to you. The most powerful gods like the rulers of a worlds can think of other lesser gods but not of humans

>>41469424 (OP)
anon im as atheistic as they come but thats a really stupid fucking question

>>41472152
why is it stupid
how can you believe in the eternal soul when the flesh is so weak and gross

>>41469424 (OP)
Christs crucifixion was gore

>>41469505
This is also my philosophy

>>41472522
this. jesus is incredibly vengeful and 2000 years was not enough to quinch his thirst for human blood

>>41469424 (OP)
I want you to notice something

You didn't say "because suffering exists" or just gore in general. You said gore videos.

What this says to me is that only the fact you are watching the videos and have the suffering on display is what bothers you. Why this matters is because you're having an emotional reaction, not a logical one.

This doesn't necessarily negate your question, but first we need to understand that your initial response is emotional, and make an active decision to think about this logically. Suffering is permitted to exist for a variety of reasons, and many of them are rather personal which makes it difficult to explain away when you're focused on other people's suffering.

>>41472257
>How can you believe apples are good when oranges are so yucky?

>>41472522
He cried blood before the crucifixion In the garden before he was arrested

Think of the unbending, unbreakable rules of Creation as a rock God made, but can't pick up. Or chooses not to. The Almighty made everything as best as it could be made, considering the interference of the rest of you, before the Dawn of Time.

Weakness is another sort of sin, being unprepared, being foolish, naive or a loner easy to capture. While not as serious as moral sins, sins of strength are still sins and must be paid for in the mortal realm or beyond. This doesn't excuse the torturers of innocent people, it means that both them and the tortured are guilty, though not equally. The Almighty is so exacting in his idea of good enough that nobody but he qualifies, though he is merciful and loves others anyway.

Oh, I almost forgot. Some of the rules of Creation indeed can be bent or broken depending on the situation, but there are those that will not be tampered with, the Almighty won't allow it.

>>41469424 (OP)
Gore site users are nothing but edgy teenagers

>>41471218
>perfect doesn't exist
Then God doesnt exist and everything you wrote is pointless.

>>41469424 (OP)
Simple its the God of gore and your eternal soul dies horribly over and over again

>>41469450
>ask for an explanation
>get an explanation
>move the goal posts
lol fuck off faggot

>>41473886
god is not perfect hence our creation. if god was perfect there would be no need to create anything. god is not perfect so we were created to help it grow. in my view god is consciousness itself. we were given a piece of consciousness, with free will, and given the responsibility to improve our consciousness so that god (the consciousness system) could improve through us. we have a purpose and that purpose is greater than any temporary pain or suffering we might experience here. think of a nightmare you have. it's scary, might even have suffering, but once we wake up we move on like it never happened. well life is the same.