Also the introduction and guide's readme.txt link and images are broken.

I assume paid lessons have the advantages of showing the workflow, but I guess time-lapses also works?

if you want a lesson in blender follow the man Andrew Price

>>1004278 (OP)
Yes but not for blender

>>1004278 (OP)
No, courses are a "scam" by more experienced artist to monetize their skills in a competitive industry where getting employed is next to impossible
If you need to follow a course, pirate it, don't fall for the grift

>>1004280
Not just Blender, not even limited to 3D

>>1004283
>Not just Blender, not even limited to 3D
you dont know what you are talking about. Paid in person courses where you have to 1) produce 2)deliver on time in front of a class 3)explain your work 4) answer critiques are infinitely valuable.

>>1004287
So, are you selling or did you fall for it?

>>1004283
>No, courses are a "scam"
How do you learn then?
Forcing yourself through 5000+ hours of trial and error hoping for a decent result?

>>1004278 (OP)
When it comes to independent learning, you'll probably follow a guide for a little bit and then go and do your own thing. Which is why youtube tutorials are better.
Paid online art classes can be good if you want to copy that specific teacher's style. In-person is good if you lack discipline and interest.

>>1004283
Yes dipshit, people monetize their courses because they spend their time on it, none of what you said disproves their usefulness. Sour grapes much?

Paid lessons are not worth it unless they are from a renowned industry professional, and even then, you can probably find their course or others for free online.
>>1004283
>No, courses are a "scam" by more experienced artist to monetize their skills in a competitive industry where getting employed is next to impossible
>If you need to follow a course, pirate it, don't fall for the grift
Double correct

>>1004302
heres the rub : you NEED to do in person courses with strict deadlines and presentations and critiques and explanations of why you chose to do X. Courses over the computer are completely worthless.

>>1004302
>and even then, you can probably find their course or others for free online.
I know plenty of trackers and piracy sites, the problem with Blender piracy is that courses are either VERY outdated or behind very exclusive private trackers.
It's not easy to pirate good, modern blender courses.

pierrick´s courses can be found on telegram easily, dannymac´s sculpting course is on kemono, and those ae version agnostic. if you want something basic, just pick the latest one for the version you´re using and call it a day, you don´t need high quality just to be told what keys do

>>1004315
what telegram?

>>1004426
It’s a scam, most pirated videos can be easily found online. Anyone who suggests looking at unsafe social networks is probably going to scam you.

>>1004431
the only videos you need to look at are free ones on youtube

>>1004278 (OP)
I once spent 200$ in numerous courses during covid lmao what a fucking mistake once I got into cgpeers and then telegram. I will never spend another dime on course even it means going to college for it. It's all a scam.

>>1004278 (OP)
not this one, that's for sure. the course itself is unfinished and they don't cover rigging. what good is a character if you can't move it, or worse slap on a shitty auto rig that breaks everything you worked to make? fuck that.

I'm currently right now pirate 60 Blender courses, from places like CGCourse or Coloso.

>>1004443
Yeah, but I've known of cgpeers for years but I haven't seen them open invites lol

>>1004278 (OP)
courses provide higher quality learning than free content from youtube. but there are places you can get a lot of courses for free (online courses club, rutracker, telegram groups). if you're gonna pay for a course, make sure it's something you actually want. specifically, is the artists style something you're really interested in? if so then it may be worth it.
also note that a lot of wingfox and coloso courses are in korean/japanese/chinese, and the subtitles are not always that great so can be difficult to follow. it's not much of an issue if you got the course for free, but if you're paying for it you'd expect actual good subtitles. it's honestly absurd how awful they can be at times.
i would not recommend courses from other sites like skillshare or udemy, those are often very basic or provided my amateur grifters, the quality of which will be no better than what you can find for free from youtube.
lastly, there are some courses that will use a base mesh or daz presets. these are definitely not worth your time. make sure they course will actually show you the process of sculpting the figure from the absolute beginning without making use of shortcuts that will teach you nothing.

>>1004431
>Anyone who suggests looking at unsafe social networks is probably going to scam you
one telegram group i've used is named course busters. it's absolutely not a scam.

>>1004716
Sounds like a scam affiliate, of course people will look at other people’s opinions and tell them which is a scam or not. Telegram is the only one that 100% scam people. Nothing can be proven, it’s like 4chan but without the mods. Discord without mods. Telegram users are leaving for a reason and that’s the problem with their scam, police that can collect data is never going to be something scammers will use. Only dumb scammers who don’t believe in technology will get arrested. So stop using Telegram it’s a wasteland with nothing to gain or lose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXm-mYeApQQ
>half the footage is from other channels
>low quality ai references
>even the blockout reference image is ai generated and lopsided lmao
>the "retopology" is triangulated for some reason, indicating he just ripped a game model and pretended he made the topology (also either too lazy or too dumb to de-triangulate it)
>bizarre texturing process
imagine, IMAGINE buying blender courses in 2009+16. ishygddt

there's one course I'd be interested in watching for blender, this one
https://blendermarket.com/products/cinematic-lighting-in-blender

>>1005711
There is already a leaked/pirated version of this. I had it once.

>>1005728
good call, found it, maybe my renders won't look like shit now

>>1005728
>>1005732
Link?

>>1005736
Its on ru

>>1005751
Can you at least type the full name? I have no clue what tf is ru

>>1005755
It’s a Russia version of Pirate Bay but with higher chance of being hacked. There’s no official name because it keeps changing for obvious reasons.

are there any good courses for just fundamentals of modeling? specifically poly or box modeling from beginning to advanced levels. i feel like so many tutorials i find are just retarded follow alongs with little to know explanations of anything or very basic beginner stuff

>>1004289
>Forcing yourself through 5000+ hours of trial and error hoping for a decent result?
isn't that how most people do it? it's basically this but you also gotta learn how to use your tools, hoard useful tips and just copy a some aspects you find interesting until you develop your own substance

>>1007574
there are ways to speed up that process such as learning to use fundamentals and tools effectively but finding a good place that teaches that is tricky

>>1007568
honestly i've come to the conclusion that modelling can't really be learned well by following a tut. you just gotta try it out. learn to use quad draw and use that to block out your figures. i think it's a good start because it lets you build a silhouette from different profiles so you can use references if you want. but as far as tutorials go, idk it's not really helpful to follow them. there are too many ways to model something. the best approach is situational.

>>1004279
>Andrew Price
If after following his tutorials you still need more tutorials you were following them wrong and you should watch them again until you understand everything

Bottom line: it's up to you to figure it out. Even if someone shows you, you still need to "get it" and "make it yours". Courses can help, but they cost. Figuring it out yourself can be difficult, but it really just depends. No good answer. I would say the hands down best way to learn anything is to be an underpaid apprentice.

>>1007789
>be an underpaid apprentice.
work for free for Andrew Price

>>1004278 (OP)
if it shows you the skills you want but don't have then it has value. it is a shortcut from RTFMing and making mistakes to get you 80% of the way of competence.

>>1004278 (OP)
Get anatomy / design / general art lessons. 3D isn't anything special.

I was thinking about finding some cheap course just to get student licenses for maya/zbrush, anyone done something like that?

>>1004278 (OP)
For modeling? No.

Modeling is the least workflow driven aspect of digital art. It only really comes into play when you're talking about optimal use of time. But if you can't grasp basic concepts like topology then you're simply throwing money down the drain.

Modeling is a you get it or you don't mindset. Either you're able to visualize a character in 3d space or you don't. Once you have that ability only then can you concern yourself intelligent or workflow based design decisions that enhance what the asset needs to accomplish.

>>1004278 (OP)
courses can be beneficial, but beware of grifters. from my experience, courses from russian/chinese/korean/japanese artists are great for learning. but courses from western artists are often just low effort grifters teaching you crap you could just learn for free from youtube.
a good example of people to avoid is yansculpts and flycat. both of them create similar lazy low quality slop, but a lot of normies who don't know any better admire them due to the popular characters they sculpt (even though the slop they produce looks nothing like the character, it all just looks "disney"). their "courses" if you can even call them are the worst quality you'll find, where there's zero commentary, and it's often just a sped up video. they are not artists, just grifters looking to make easy money from people who don't know any better.
another lazy tactic is using daz3d or other presets to avoid having to teach how to sculpt the body from scratch.
it's difficult, because much of the good learning material is in other languages, and the subtitles are often quite bad. you can just watch a timelapse, but you will learn far more from understanding through instruction, as often times there are small details you will miss out on and methods that need to be explained in order to understand why you're doing that way as opposed to something else.
some good examples are:
qi sheng luo
wandah kurniawan (english)
sakaki kaoru

>>1011502
could you even call flycat a tutorial grifter? they make it very clear they just make time lapses of their sculpting processes. thank you for the tut recs though

>>1011502
kek I torrented some of yansculpt's videos and it's just a bunch of muted livestreams. You can watch some random timelapses on youtube at the lowest speed and it's gonna be the same. But he has "Master Sculpting Heads" (there's a torrent for that too), which I think is okay if you're just starting out and want to make stylized heads.
Flycat's and yansculpt's stuff doesn't really look like Disney to me - Danny Mac's does. Of course, he also has a course, and it's basically step-by-step on how to make a head in his style. How to make it - it doesn't really teach you how to sculpt. Only useful for a nice looking 3D reference.

The best sculpting course I could find was from Speedchar on youtube. A lot of his heads end up looking like some kind of gigachad (even the women), but he explains things pretty well. He has a few videos from 6 years ago, and they’re better than most paid courses I've torrented so far.

>>1004278 (OP)
>Paid lessons worth it?

yes. especially when you can get the feedback or answered your questions. Also, you need something to proof you studied the matter of your job once at last. this is why always collect proofs that you made lessons.