First attempt at rigging my first character...it's NOT looking good bros

>>1004617 (OP)
Well obviously when people tell blender doesn’t do animation it mean BLENDER DOES NOT DO ANIMATION.

>>1004618
no it's because my model is kinda shit

That's as good as you can expect from the autorigger.
You have to manually refine it in weight paint mode.
IIRC you have to use the smear brush across vertex group boundaries and pick the options to auto-normalize vertex group weights.
You can pose while you're painting to test how it looks if both armature and mesh are selected.

>>1004620
i'll give that a try but i already played with weight painting a bit and it doesn't fix much if the model's topo isn't ideal

>>1004621
Topology matters for small scale artifacts like if the bone axis and edge flow isn't aligned.
It matters for close up details and shading not the general shape during deformation.

>>1004617 (OP)
it could be worse, just need to fix some weight painting and add some corrective bones and/or shapekeys. blenders automatic weights are shit.

also why do you have two shoulder bones, not really necessary for a model like this

>>1004625
yeah i saw some youtube clips and i'm gonna try some corrective bones tomorrow. And with only 1 bone for the shoulder it bends weirder...but i'll try with 1 + corrective bones for hips and shoulders

>>1004626
here's a fantastic rig by one of the best blender riggers out there. he uses 1 bone for the shoulder (circled in blue) then a corrective bone (the floating bone circled in blue) to fix weird deformation with the traps. there are other corrective bones here meant to simulate the movement of other muscles but the principle is the same. probably a lot more than you need to concern yourself with but you get the point. im sure a video could explain it better than i can

>>1004627
oh i had a different idea when you said corrective bones, so what does the floating bones do exactly ? how are they parented and how do they affect the model ? also if you got a link gimme

>>1004627
You mean how not to make rigs, nothing about that faker tells you how to make rigs. It’s his false narrative on rigging not the correct way.

>>1004628
shit i forgot to mention, the corrective bones location is controlled by a driver. so when the shoulder bone rotates, the corrective bone automatically goes up, deforming the mesh with it. probably a lot for a beginner though maybe stick to rigify for now

his rigs:
https://www.p2design-academy.com/p/free-rigs

>>1004629
pyw

>>1004630
oh nvm i thought he has a youtube or something, i'll figure it out

>>1004633
he does just search for p2design and/or pierrick picaut

>>1004634
ok will do, if i make it i'll post results here, but i just wanna say rigging is actually pretty hard. I found modelling, shading and UVs easier to understand..on basic levels of course

>>1004635
It be even harder if you take bad advice from people who aren’t professional or knowledgeable about rigging. Blender or Maya, the process is the same but the Blender community is awful at rigging.

>>1004639
well so far i noticed most youtube guides are either very basic, or very rushed. Like this one teaches you the basics in 1 hour: https://youtu.be/mYgznqvbisM but when i tried to find something more advanced since i have a more complex model, i found this: https://youtu.be/jIwrswJEFBQ which seems good but he's moving too fast for me to be able to follow, and most other guides are like this.

>>1004642
try watching some of sickly wizard's stream vods, dude is pretty autistic about rigging but doesnt really explain much

>>1004617 (OP)
I hate riggers!

>>1004617 (OP)

Well i made some slight improvements, i think it looks good enough for now. Found this cool video on how to improve the hips issues and used that but i am not sure how to use that for the shoulders, or if it's even possible. https://youtu.be/Zx2LtlZqG3g I am sure there must be a way to make the shoulders move better as >>1004627
said but i don't know how to do it. Will see if i can improve on it further.

hmm...thoughts?

>>1004908
also, are the pole target bones (the ones for elbows and knees) supposed to be fixed in place like that ? it seems..weird.

I think the idea is you move the poles as part of the animation as well

>>1004920
hmm yeah i figured, i think i made some nice improvements, but i feel like the learning curve for this shit is crazy, and i'm still not done...i must have watched 15 youtube videos (multiple times) to get to this point

>>1004937
I use rotation controls instead pole targets. Unfortunately in order to progress past where you are now you're going to need access to real software. Blender won't do.

>>1004965
i dunno about that i think it has some potential

>>1004937
for my ik bones i always lock whatever rotation axes that aren't the primary source of the rotation, if that makes sense. i can't quite tell but it looks like you may have not done this. it will generally make things look a little better

>>1004979
yes ! i did that too just last night after seeing it in another youtube guide, it helped. I gotta do the hand/fingers next i am not sure if there's anything special there though, and then add some control shapes and i think i might be done

I cleaned it up a bit and made some custom controllers. I am pretty happy with it, still gotta add some for the fingers, but i don't know whether i am missing any controllers if i want to animate the body. Got leg/arm IKs, controllers for the feet, torso, arms, shoulder, hand, neck, head. And i also wanna add some for the eyes so he can emote a bit, and then some sort of switch to equip his weapons on his back and in his hands. That shit seems hard.

>>1005175
corrective smooth modifier + corrective smooth baker addon, if your goal is to export it
makes weightpainting a lot less of a hassle

>>1005179
don't really wanna export it, i only have/know how to use blender at the moment, and i think it has everything i need for now

>>1004617 (OP)
I remember some guy putting hundreds of rigging tips on his Patreon for free.
he compiled them in a 3Dtotal book afterwards I think?
If someone remembers the guy, that would be great

>>1005183
well, still. here's the tip.
corrective smooth is a very powerful modifier, makes weightpainting way less of a hassle.

>>1005175
You mess up, the hand controls should not interfere with shoulder and you now just have a model with looney physics.

>>1005200
i actually have 2 separate controllers - 1 for the hand (yellow one) and one for the entire arm. Today i also spent a lot of time pairing the lower half of extra objects (under the belt) to the bones, that shit was harder than i expected, had to do some sculpting on them and play with some solidify modifiers to make them look ok after they move.

>>1005202
should lower your ik chain length by 1, you never see shoulders in the ik chain for a reason.

also i would recommend a rotation falloff setup for the forearm. try it yourself, you can't rotate your hand without rotating your forearm as well. I'll use this rig as an example again.

>>1005203
the ik chain stops at the upper arm, the clavicle is controlled by a different bone, the one floating in the top. As for that, idk how to do it

>>1005204
The arm is made of a chain of bones, they all have copy rotation constraints targeting the hand bone, but with lower influence as you move further away from the hand.

you can duplicate and subdivide your main deformation forearm bone, then lock every group in weight paint mode except for the forearm and the new bones. then you can easily transfer the weight from the old bone to the new ones with auto normalize. then just smooth them out as needed. then set up the constraints and you're all set. for this rig you could probably get away with just 2 bones, the one I showed you has 4-5 i think.

rigging is difficult but rewarding, why do you think so many people just use auto riggers? but if you gitgud you can make rigs that are so much better than anyone else, with or without auto riggers.

>>1005205
Do you have an example of the setup you're describing? If not you should stop typing nonsense.

>>1005211
Ironically there is such example, from the creator of Spiderman PS4 model (the real one): https://www.gameanim.com/product/azri-rig/

>>1005203
>>1005205
huh i think i did it, found a nice video about it, couldn't have guessed how to do this shit myself..really cool, thanks. Video if someone wants: https://youtu.be/P81DGubVILA

>>1005224
lookin good fren :) only advice i have at this point is to have the copy rotation constraints only copy the z rotation of the hand. that way you won't get those weird rotation artifacts when you're rotating the hand on other axes. but honestly I'm just nitpicking at this point, you can ignore it if you want.

>>1005217
azri is such a good rig, I've been meaning to bring her into blender for my own nefarious purposes but i keep getting tied up with other things.

>>1005226
Azri cant be exported to Blender, the node aren’t converted to Blender and the blendshapes (not to be confused with shapekeys) is impossible to keep.

>>1005227
no shit retard, i mean bringing in the mesh and rigging it myself

I had to change some of the armor details cuz they weren't doing what i wanted (especially the shoulderpads) so i just extruded some from the base body and said fuck it. It's not gonna be great but fuck it. I wanna play with some face bones and key shapes (some angry/happy/sad eye expressions maybe). Then i need to make some switches for the weapons to go to his hands, that seems hard.

>>1004618
You told a blender it doesn’t do animation and it listened? I think you might need to take your meds.

>>1005237
You have too much controllers, make it simple.

>>1005237
Making props actually work correctly is one of the most annoying parts of rigging, gl fren

>>1005246
it feels like your model (and all its gadgets/armor/clothes) need to be perfect before starting to rig to the point where you can't make any changes to it later on or else something breaks. That is quite a challenge. For example those leg straps, they were basically duplicated selections of his thighs with a solidify and subdiv so initially they fit perfectly on him but after rigging the leg and then the straps they were moving differently so i had to sculpt them a bit to minimize the damage. Tried shrinkwrap modifier but it doesn't help. Maybe something like physics is needed, but idk.

>>1005247
sounds like a weighting issue. you should pretty much ALWAYS have autonormalize on, it can cause fucky things like that. for smaller props like the leg straps I don't even use weight paint mode, I go through edit mode > select all > assign to desired group

>>1005251
what does auto-normalize do? i just noticed it was unticked for basically all of this process

>>1005254
it ensures that the total weight for all vertices will stay at 100% weight across all groups while you're painting. it will automatically add and remove weight from other groups if necessary while you're painting. it's useful for rigging because you don't want any bones or combination of bones to have more than 100% influence over a given vertex. it can be super buggy though and annoying to troubleshoot, if you got this far without it then probably don't need to worry that much. like I said, for the smaller props you can just manually assign and delete weights via edit mode instead of painting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TnzOpYogZQ

i promise you, worrying about this right now is probably gonna be more effort than it's worth so unless things are super fucked then don't worry about it and just remember it for your next rig.

>>1005251
>>1005258
>edit mode > select all > assign to desired group
can't find how to do this, if i select the leg strap and go to edit mode, the vertex group is empty..if i select it + the mesh with the groups and click assign nothing seems to happen

>>1005260
>go to edit mode
>select desired vertex group in vertex group panel
>select vertices you want to assign to group
>click assign
>???
>profit
great for smaller accessories, should always use the painting mode for more complex objects though, just gonna be way easier

>>1005261
thanks i'll give it a go

>>1005200
>>1005203

>>1005264
blessed ik schizo, got any redpills for hair like that?

>>1005270
It's hairs cards with a soft body simulation. There's a vertex group slot where you can specify if a vertex is pinned of free to move. That's how I did it there but I have no idea what the state of the art for hair is supposed to be.

>>1005270
They do react to head movement, collisions, wind, other force fields. It's convenient for me because the rest of the body is also a soft body simulation, so... By looking at the source code I know you can do something similar with curves and particles but I've never tried that.

>>1004617 (OP)
is weight painting really still what we do?
I get that it's simple and it works, but I just hate the way that it pinches.
Do we simulate muscles yet?

>>1005341
we do what we gotta do

trying to make switches so he can swap weapons from back/holster to hands..it's quite hard

>>1005505
Use the armature constraint, it's great for parent switching. note that whatever bone has the armature constraint shouldn't be parented to anything or you might have some issues.

you can use it on your weapons to parent them to your hands, you can use it on your hands to parent them to other parts of the body, you can use it on your ik poles to parent them to whatever is convenient, it's one of the more versatile constraints.

>>1004619
Probably because you bought it off a 3D model marketplace

>>1005605
no, because i made it lol

I think i did it. One thing i don't get: the copy transforms for the sword to snap on the back seems to override the one to snap to the hand even when both are at max and i don't know why. Changing their order stack also doesn't seem to matter. Anyone knows why that is ?

>>1005696
You did make sure to test this so that it goes into the hand when he grabs it behind right? It’s not going to look weird and stick out when pulling from shef.

>>1005702
you mean if i wanna animate him pulling the sword out that it looks ok when he raises his arm up there to unsheathe it? or what

>>1005702
>>1005704

i tried to make him strike a pose, it's not great but not terrible for a first time model and rig i'd say

>>1004617 (OP)
>no ik
lol, lmao

>>1005709
Let's do this.

>>1005721
nah that looks bad if i do it

>>1005710
i too only reply to the first post and skip the rest of the thread sometimes

why are there 2 shoulder bones

>>1005951
i switched them back to one, i thought it would help because i gave him extra large shoulders (and also didn't know how bones work) but in the end the issue when it comes to rotating/stretching/moving the shoulder comes from my shitty model not from the bones - i have pretty bad topo there, because this was my first human model and i had no idea wtf i was doing. And wasn't planning to rig him, but i am doing my best with what i got now. This was all a first of everything: modeling a human, and rigging, and soon animation (i'm scared)

>>1004617 (OP)
Look up DanProCG on youtube.
The videos are old as shit, ancient versions of blender, and his voice will literally put you to sleep. But he drops incredible knowledge and the rigging & weight painting principles remain the same.

>>1006057
will do, i wanna add some bones for the eyes area anyway

my first rendered pose !

>>1006144

>>1006145
how the fuck do cameras work

>>1006146
hmm need to smooth the weights around the eys a bit and fix those leather straps somehow

>>1006146
Poses need work, the leg stretches is unrealistic even for deadpool standards. Arms don’t make sense, compared to the movies posters the arms have meaning to how a person would do it. The fingers are unrealistic for holding swords and thumbs should be on the back of the blade handle. Sword is too close to the face and if you did want it closer to face a better facial expression like in the movies should be your homework.

Lighting is everywhere, you need to fix that. Sword texture needs to be replaced and not look like a toy. Tightsuits are not reflective enough to be seen like this, you need to adjust the suits reflectively. Deadpool belt should be a item, you will have to create a separate bone structure and pose it separately to achieve better results.

That’s your homework for the next few days.

>>1006160
Would you mind posting some of your own homework, professor?

>>1006160
i might try to fix some of these, i mean the poses are obviously lame i spent 5 minutes on them lol. But the rig and model are also not great so i won't be able to pose him looking great no matter what i do. Some of the texture work and lighting does need improving i guess. The suit stays, it is what it is, couldn't find a better material. Besides i am not trying to be accurate to anything here, i am just trying to make a Deadpool and he can look however due to the multiverse YAY

made some improvements, i think

>>1006198

>>1006199
i think my boy looks pretty fresh desu

>>1006200
hmm just noticed something is off about the shading on right hand gun, will try do do more poses tomorrow

did a few more poses today, i am happy with this desu

>>1006276

>>1006277
hmm maybe i should make some background

>>1006279

>>1004617 (OP)
I use rigify, to lazy to suffer that entire process

>>1004617 (OP)
What do you use to record webms?
ShareX, despite being amazing for screenshotting, fucks up horribly for me.

>>1007549
i use icecream screen recorder to record my screen then webm for bakas/dummies to convert it to 4chan size. Anyway this is where i'm at now...idk if ppl still care about this thread though but i am quite happy with the prog from my first post.

>>1007606
why not obs? also move the hips more

>>1007625
wobbles too much when speeding up the animation

>>1004617 (OP)
Allow me to introduce you to Mixamo's free automatic character rigging.

>>1007762
i know about it but i want to learn and do everything from scratch myself, at least once

>>1004617 (OP)
how many bones are your clavicle?

>>1007606
Chest and belly are too static, you can see in the movies that his body has movements. It doesn’t need to be perfect but you kinda do need everything to move along a certain level of movement.

>>1007786
i think the chest is fine but yeah the belt/hips are a bit stiff. But if the middle parts move too much it looks weird if i speed up the animation

>>1007788
ok but in your honest opinion, this is literally my first character model, rig and animation render...is it decent all things considered and seeing where i was when i posted the OP webm ? Also consider i have a day job and can only spend like 1-2 hours in blender/day

>>1007606
>move the hips side to side to fuck with his balance, ie moving his center of gravity towards the leg that's going down, because we're moving the hips this should break how stiff he is.
>rotate the shoulders (be mindful of the shoulder angle & hip angle, they should oppose each other not run parallel), as you run you're also trying to throw the weight of your upper torso
>on the down pose, bring his hips down, as you push off into the air, he should be 'flying' a bit higher. look at his head and make sure his head is moving up and down

here's some good refs, even if he heel strikes rather than toe striking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFC2LMqL3x8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd8Jijb7jZY

>>1008473
better?

>>1008475
problem is if i try to speed this up it looks like SHIT !

>>1008475
a bit better but needs to be more like this
>hips oppose the shoulder
>fix his center of gravity, (draw a line from his head to his toe/contact)

>>1008562
i think it's slightly better

>>1008570
rendered at 30 fps, pretty happy with it

>>1008571
at 24 it looks a bit iffy and i have no idea how to balance this shit so 30 it is i guess

anyone got that dancing baby gif?

sup my riggers

>>1008570
how did you make this gif?

>>1004629
post the right way to rig then